Steel Toe and Dress Shoes, thats all I need. You can do everything but formal in steel toe because you can get running shoe styled steels and then you need a good pair for going out. So I say again why more then 2? At least why would a heterosexual male need more then 2, I don't judge based on orientation.
There are a lot of times when multi-libs don't work well. Hence running a chroot i386 environment. I'm not saying it's not possible, I know it is but the success rate has always been poor.
I should explain, x86 because I run all 64bit Desktops and x86_64 AND x86 aren't always directly compatible even with kernel support. I usually end up running a chroot for i386.
I actually really like this idea. I do a lot of embedded development and it would be AMAZING to be able to compile ARM or run an ARM directly, or not just ARM but even x86.
Well I'm so glad you called me out because a true moron wouldn't read the replies. If you had any slight reading ability you would of seen that I mentioned he only won the first time based off votes not being counted.
He only made office because people liked his dad, Bush was totally unqualified to be a president, yet lead a country. It's like letting your down syndrome brother run a country. He should of never been in office once, yet alone twice. The US screwed up the first time, so what if they find it happened again, surprise, surprise. Standards to the US are like ethics to a Nazi. missing.
so as for this
Please, please, please never breed or speak to anyone ever again. Or at least take some ethics classes. Consult your local community college. If you're old enough?
Fuck you. Bush should of never had a second chance to be in office, maybe if a qualified person ran the country it wouldn't be in the shitter right now, thank god Obama is now there to save the day.
I would like to point out the fact that everyone knew Bush won the first time by not counting votes. He only won because people liked his daddy, the fact he won again is actually pointless, the US already let the most unqualified leader in history into office and let him financially destroy the country.
Oh ya, my set up is a 32GB SSD for Linux a 60GB SSD for Windows and then I have 4 TB of WD Black's for my NAS which stores everything else. Combine that with a nice gigabit switch / router and it's literally so fast I can't complain. What surprises me so much is the SSD for Windows takes at least a full minute to boot but once booted it's full speed. Just the boot time is horrible.
I have to be honest, I'm so blown away by the boot time I really don't even care if it gets faster. SSD Is now the only drive type I buy, there so much faster that it's hard to go back to normal disks. Anyone who made the move will know what I mean, if you haven't don't because the speed change is to awesome.
I'm very glad you pointed that out, I'll take the hit but still the original point doesn't change. So my quote still holds, you can read it and understand it. I guess I should re read my post multiple times. I often make simple grammar errors but that doesn't really change the sentence and in a reread or two I would of picked that up.
It's interesting how only one person has attempted to make a constructive argument to my post, It's below.
I like a command line for my own use too, but it sucks for talking someone through something over the phone and recently I've seen a whole bunch of IT services being devolved to the end users (eg software installation) using a document full of screenshots for users to follow. To my mind, one advantage of GUI over cli is that it is more acceptable to users to be given instructions spanning several pages of color pictures than it would be to tell them to type even a few simple unfamiliar commands into a command line even where the user is a reasonable person. I think that may stem from there being fewer choices. After all once can type any idiotic or misheard thing at a command line especially if at least one person on the call is talking in a language other than their native tongue. User choices are more limited with forms and if you go with forms one may as well have pretty GUI forms as fast/businesslike curses forms.
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Fine but then why did you make such a massive opinionated post, if right in my post I made the point of saying I don't care if you like GUI's then why storm in like that? I don't want to be a dick or anything but at least recognize the fact that I clearly pointed out how I don't expect others to care if they support my view, if you find it wrong then thats fine, I admit I don't share everyone's view point. I also made the point of saying I think the GUI does have a point and it's on the desktop. If you developing desktop level soft then I'm 100% in a agreement with your point, on the desktop you should have a robust GUI and robust CLI, that is a great view point. Just not what I look for on a server, I'm I saying I wont get software because it has a GUI, no. However I want all software to have a CLI included. So far I've ran into almost nothing I can't do easier on the command line then in a GUI.
Wrong? Based on what. Based on your horrible defense of your point your the one who's wrong. Your only defense is people work differently. If you actually took the time to read what I wrote you'd understand that I said I'm NOT bashing people who use them. Of course being completely unable to read simple English you missed that fact I said I prefer CLI, not you, not him, not the other guy, I prefer CLI. You develop a GUI when one is actually needed and in most cases servers do NOT need GUI components. If you take a Linux server admin and sit him in front of a windows server he'll have no problem picking up administration. If you sit a windows baby in front of a command line there more lost then baby in a room of top less women.
How ever being you didn't read what I wrote the first time to reinforce the point I made, I DO NOT LIKE GUI'S ON SERVER. I'M NOT BASHING PEOPLE WHO PREFER THEM. So next time you want to jump down my throat and try to tell me you always develop both, read the post and make make sure you get the point. You can have all the fun in world on your GUI's on your server and I wont make a sound, but I'm going to remain command line only.
I agree with you, there is a pro to using GUI's but I find it leads to sloppy and lazy tech help on the phone. If the person on the other end is actually qualified to provide help then they should have no issue walking me through the command line. If there just reading a screen for min wage then they need screen shots. like I said how ever, this is my opinion and I don't expect any one else to support this. To each there own.
I know when I do IT I go headless Linux. My question is what IT Professional actually needs to use advanced GUI administration tools. I'm NOT bashing those of you who use them but when I think server I think command line. The desktop has the GUI and the server has the prompt. Much like an embedded system where you want to the power to be available it just makes more sense to go with no GUI. This is why to me Windows based server's never made sense. I know it's a widely used Server OS and I know it's involved in a lot of company's but I just personally have never been a fan. So by OS X Lion saying they have elimination of advanced GUI administration tools I say this is a good thing! I'm not going to sit here and fan boy Linux or anything like that, but on a totally personal belief, right or wrong I'm going to say IT is a command line only world. Leave the GUI for the desktop and the command line for the server.
Feel free to criticize me for this but either way it's is my opinion, right or wrong.
I've spent 15 yeas with specialists and I still don't know what I have. Imagine if a mobile app actually solved my case and if there wrong there actually on par with the doctors anyway, so no harm no foul.
I'm not trying to bust you up but when people say the Internet and then compare to something else I see it as comparing apples to oranges. I'm not saying your wrong, but in my view point your wrong, and thats different.
Your not making a fair comparison, your comparing military and the Internet. Do you have the right to be pull over when ever and have you stuff gone through, NO. Do you have the right to be prosecuted for private documents NO, do you have the right to a voice YES. But this has very little to do with the Internet. A better comparison would be take a picture and stick it in your car window and drive by police, if the picture is harmless your fine, if it's a 3 year old spread egg and naked you better be getting pulled over. Thats the point, if you put information on-line then ANYONE can have access to it, period!!! If your worried about someone coming by and reading it then encrypt or secure it, doesn't mean they can't take but it will a lot harder for them to actually get to the proper information.
Another good contrast to make here, if you have documents on your computer then they aren't public either, the same way as if that picture in your window is hidden in a suitcase in the car. No one has the right to come over and take a look at it because it's in a private and personal place. There is NO where on the Internet that you can point to and call private. The Internet was never designed to be a highly private invention, just because people today want it to be doesn't make it so. If what you have to share with everyone is so important no one else can read it then find another way to get it to them or just don't.
Also the founding fathers never had to deal with the Internet, I'm sure the documents that form any country would be radically different if it was around. The final point is the Internet is a public place, you put anything on it, anyone can get it. Deal with it!!!
Okay so what, the NSA is looking into it's user base, so what! Unless you have something to hide you really shouldn't care. If people in this day and age can't realize that when your on the net your business is available to everyone then they shouldn't be using a computer. RMS and others that preach about freedom and the right to not be found etc... etc... etc... have the right idea but unless you willing to give up the very technology that can easily point you out and look into you then don't complain. It's like people complaining that they can be tracked with the GPS in there phone, you bought the phone so deal with it. The sooner people deal with the fact that you can no longer really be left alone the better.
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Steel Toe and Dress Shoes, thats all I need. You can do everything but formal in steel toe because you can get running shoe styled steels and then you need a good pair for going out. So I say again why more then 2? At least why would a heterosexual male need more then 2, I don't judge based on orientation.
How do you fold a fitted sheet and why do you need more then 2 pairs of shoes.
+5, ya I can't wait, this will be a very nice system.
There are a lot of times when multi-libs don't work well. Hence running a chroot i386 environment. I'm not saying it's not possible, I know it is but the success rate has always been poor.
I should explain, x86 because I run all 64bit Desktops and x86_64 AND x86 aren't always directly compatible even with kernel support. I usually end up running a chroot for i386.
I actually really like this idea. I do a lot of embedded development and it would be AMAZING to be able to compile ARM or run an ARM directly, or not just ARM but even x86.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_election_recount
He only made office because people liked his dad, Bush was totally unqualified to be a president, yet lead a country. It's like letting your down syndrome brother run a country. He should of never been in office once, yet alone twice. The US screwed up the first time, so what if they find it happened again, surprise, surprise. Standards to the US are like ethics to a Nazi. missing.
so as for this
Please, please, please never breed or speak to anyone ever again. Or at least take some ethics classes. Consult your local community college. If you're old enough?
Fuck you. Bush should of never had a second chance to be in office, maybe if a qualified person ran the country it wouldn't be in the shitter right now, thank god Obama is now there to save the day.
+1 for being one of the rare people who can form a valid reply.
I would like to point out the fact that everyone knew Bush won the first time by not counting votes. He only won because people liked his daddy, the fact he won again is actually pointless, the US already let the most unqualified leader in history into office and let him financially destroy the country.
Even if they prove this last time I checked George W isn't in office anymore and you can't go back in time.
I don't trust coop IT students around a rack of server, what about my 4 year old?
Oh ya, my set up is a 32GB SSD for Linux a 60GB SSD for Windows and then I have 4 TB of WD Black's for my NAS which stores everything else. Combine that with a nice gigabit switch / router and it's literally so fast I can't complain. What surprises me so much is the SSD for Windows takes at least a full minute to boot but once booted it's full speed. Just the boot time is horrible.
Totally agreed!!!
I have to be honest, I'm so blown away by the boot time I really don't even care if it gets faster. SSD Is now the only drive type I buy, there so much faster that it's hard to go back to normal disks. Anyone who made the move will know what I mean, if you haven't don't because the speed change is to awesome.
Well my boot time is maybe 4 seconds from Grub to Desktop with 11.04. I could only imagine the new boot time.
It's interesting how only one person has attempted to make a constructive argument to my post, It's below.
I like a command line for my own use too, but it sucks for talking someone through something over the phone and recently I've seen a whole bunch of IT services being devolved to the end users (eg software installation) using a document full of screenshots for users to follow. To my mind, one advantage of GUI over cli is that it is more acceptable to users to be given instructions spanning several pages of color pictures than it would be to tell them to type even a few simple unfamiliar commands into a command line even where the user is a reasonable person. I think that may stem from there being fewer choices. After all once can type any idiotic or misheard thing at a command line especially if at least one person on the call is talking in a language other than their native tongue. User choices are more limited with forms and if you go with forms one may as well have pretty GUI forms as fast/businesslike curses forms. -
Fine but then why did you make such a massive opinionated post, if right in my post I made the point of saying I don't care if you like GUI's then why storm in like that? I don't want to be a dick or anything but at least recognize the fact that I clearly pointed out how I don't expect others to care if they support my view, if you find it wrong then thats fine, I admit I don't share everyone's view point. I also made the point of saying I think the GUI does have a point and it's on the desktop. If you developing desktop level soft then I'm 100% in a agreement with your point, on the desktop you should have a robust GUI and robust CLI, that is a great view point. Just not what I look for on a server, I'm I saying I wont get software because it has a GUI, no. However I want all software to have a CLI included. So far I've ran into almost nothing I can't do easier on the command line then in a GUI.
Wrong? Based on what. Based on your horrible defense of your point your the one who's wrong. Your only defense is people work differently. If you actually took the time to read what I wrote you'd understand that I said I'm NOT bashing people who use them. Of course being completely unable to read simple English you missed that fact I said I prefer CLI, not you, not him, not the other guy, I prefer CLI. You develop a GUI when one is actually needed and in most cases servers do NOT need GUI components. If you take a Linux server admin and sit him in front of a windows server he'll have no problem picking up administration. If you sit a windows baby in front of a command line there more lost then baby in a room of top less women.
How ever being you didn't read what I wrote the first time to reinforce the point I made, I DO NOT LIKE GUI'S ON SERVER. I'M NOT BASHING PEOPLE WHO PREFER THEM. So next time you want to jump down my throat and try to tell me you always develop both, read the post and make make sure you get the point. You can have all the fun in world on your GUI's on your server and I wont make a sound, but I'm going to remain command line only.
I agree with you, there is a pro to using GUI's but I find it leads to sloppy and lazy tech help on the phone. If the person on the other end is actually qualified to provide help then they should have no issue walking me through the command line. If there just reading a screen for min wage then they need screen shots. like I said how ever, this is my opinion and I don't expect any one else to support this. To each there own.
I know when I do IT I go headless Linux. My question is what IT Professional actually needs to use advanced GUI administration tools. I'm NOT bashing those of you who use them but when I think server I think command line. The desktop has the GUI and the server has the prompt. Much like an embedded system where you want to the power to be available it just makes more sense to go with no GUI. This is why to me Windows based server's never made sense. I know it's a widely used Server OS and I know it's involved in a lot of company's but I just personally have never been a fan. So by OS X Lion saying they have elimination of advanced GUI administration tools I say this is a good thing! I'm not going to sit here and fan boy Linux or anything like that, but on a totally personal belief, right or wrong I'm going to say IT is a command line only world. Leave the GUI for the desktop and the command line for the server.
Feel free to criticize me for this but either way it's is my opinion, right or wrong.
I've spent 15 yeas with specialists and I still don't know what I have. Imagine if a mobile app actually solved my case and if there wrong there actually on par with the doctors anyway, so no harm no foul.
I'm not trying to bust you up but when people say the Internet and then compare to something else I see it as comparing apples to oranges. I'm not saying your wrong, but in my view point your wrong, and thats different.
Your not making a fair comparison, your comparing military and the Internet. Do you have the right to be pull over when ever and have you stuff gone through, NO. Do you have the right to be prosecuted for private documents NO, do you have the right to a voice YES. But this has very little to do with the Internet. A better comparison would be take a picture and stick it in your car window and drive by police, if the picture is harmless your fine, if it's a 3 year old spread egg and naked you better be getting pulled over. Thats the point, if you put information on-line then ANYONE can have access to it, period!!! If your worried about someone coming by and reading it then encrypt or secure it, doesn't mean they can't take but it will a lot harder for them to actually get to the proper information.
Another good contrast to make here, if you have documents on your computer then they aren't public either, the same way as if that picture in your window is hidden in a suitcase in the car. No one has the right to come over and take a look at it because it's in a private and personal place. There is NO where on the Internet that you can point to and call private. The Internet was never designed to be a highly private invention, just because people today want it to be doesn't make it so. If what you have to share with everyone is so important no one else can read it then find another way to get it to them or just don't.
Also the founding fathers never had to deal with the Internet, I'm sure the documents that form any country would be radically different if it was around. The final point is the Internet is a public place, you put anything on it, anyone can get it. Deal with it!!!
Okay so what, the NSA is looking into it's user base, so what! Unless you have something to hide you really shouldn't care. If people in this day and age can't realize that when your on the net your business is available to everyone then they shouldn't be using a computer. RMS and others that preach about freedom and the right to not be found etc... etc... etc... have the right idea but unless you willing to give up the very technology that can easily point you out and look into you then don't complain. It's like people complaining that they can be tracked with the GPS in there phone, you bought the phone so deal with it. The sooner people deal with the fact that you can no longer really be left alone the better.
Based on what? I know at good amount of Muslims that wear turban's, went to high school with 3 of them and then met 2 at college.