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Linguists Out Men Impersonating Women On Twitter

Hugh Pickens writes "Remember when the Gay Girl in Damascus revealed himself as a middle-aged man from Georgia? On a platform like Twitter, which doesn't ask for much biographical information, it's easy (and fun!) to take on a fake persona but now linguistic researchers have developed an algorithm that can predict the gender of a tweeter based solely on the 140 characters they choose to tweet. The research is based on the idea that women use language differently than men. 'The mere fact of a tweet containing an exclamation mark or a smiley face meant that odds were a woman was tweeting, for instance,' reports David Zax. Other research corroborates these findings, finding that women tend to use emoticons, abbreviations, repeated letters and expressions of affection more than men and linguists have also developed a list of gender-skewed words used more often by women including love, ha-ha, cute, omg, yay, hahaha, happy, girl, hair, lol, hubby, and chocolate. Remarkably, even when only provided with one tweet, the program could correctly identify gender 65.9% of the time. (PDF). Depending on how successful the program is proven to be, it could be used for ad-targeting, or for socio-linguistic research."

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  1. Let's hope that 15%... by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I hope that extra 15% certainty didn't cost millions in research grants; as a blind guess has 50% chance of being right.

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    1. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by MyFirstNameIsPaul · · Score: 1

      I dunno'. What's 1 SD worth?

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    2. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's 65% with just one tweet, though; presumably quality is better given more tweets as sample data.

      Going by the description of the research in the article, it doesn't sound even remotely impressive though- yes, just because certain words happen to be used more by women and certain words used more by men doesn't mean that this is specifically helpful in working out people who are deliberately trying to be perceived as the opposite sex. This 65% will have been an average over a huge corpus of tweets, a lot of which would likely include terms like the ones listed in the summary- in short, ones that make the sex of the tweeter either obvious or close to obvious. I'd say a human could probably get better than 65% from a single tweet _on average_, making the ability of this to determine the sex of a tweeter who is deliberately trying to fool people (and succeeding at it) dubious.

    3. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Source for twitter accounts being split evenly between genders ?

    4. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      We'll just pay the researchers in bitcoins.

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    5. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope that extra 15% certainty didn't cost millions in research grants; as a blind guess has 50% chance of being right.

      Nope. A blind guess is equal to the proportion of women on twitter. If there are 65% of twitter users that are actually women, then their predictor is just doing as good as random...

    6. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by Gideon+Wells · · Score: 1

      Apparently "blind guessing" didn't work with "Gay Girl in Damascus".

      With only 140 characters to work with I am finding 65.9% impressive. When I get a chance I hope to read the full article to see if it mentions that 15% increases dramatically when given more to work with. As I implied/snarked in the first line, a blind guess would requiring assuming every person is a lying SOB and randomly assuming they could be a different gender. I'd like to see how this program compared to neutral online entities (not trying to be one or the other), genuine entities (truthfully who they say they are) and liars (false genders).

      This research does have uses and benefits if it can be expanded upon. Boosting the efficiency of targeted advertising, as said in the summary. The stated socio-linguistic research could assist in robotics/AIs bridge the uncanny valley when we reach that river. There is also the psychology aspect of it. How much of this is universal and just American-English? Can this be applied to other languages to pick up like patterns?

      It reminds me of a TED talk, will link in a sub-comment if I can find it, from a man who that was given the task to mediate between Western and Indian medical professionals. Eventually he found out that language and the psychology of each culture was leading to problems. He found his Western colleagues were more bound by absolute truths and hierarchy while the Indian colleagues were more generalists. He attributed this to the regional cultural faiths (one life, obey the god, one truth, one chance vs reincarnation, multiple attempts, will work out eventually).

      I hope millions were spent on this, but I don't see it is a complete waste for just being only 15%.

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    7. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't a man impersonating a woman try to use language and 'smiley' faces to seem like a woman. I think this is more they can identify males, writing as males, on twitter.

    8. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It seems to me that there are more men than women posting on twitter, so guessing man on every tweet might yield a higher accuracy than this algorithm.

    9. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by bwayne314 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      HAHA! omg, thats soooo cute! ....

      oh, yea, :)

    10. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by he-sk · · Score: 2

      That's a 65% prediction rate based on a single tweet. The authors report a 92% success rate for the best classifier on the entire set. If they restrict the data set just to tweet texts (but more than one), they achieved a 76% success rate. That still might not satisfy you, but the authors also report that only 5 in 130 people correctly classified 100 tweets with a higher accuracy.

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    11. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by 101010_or_0x2A · · Score: 1

      One of their graphs is labeled "Performance increases with more tweets from target user", showing that at 32 tweets, their accuracy is > 90%. However this is including things like screen name, profile descriptions and full name. Using only tweets they are at 76% even with many tweets, so yeah quality *is* bettwe but not by much. They also say that only 5% of humans performed better than the machine with many tweets.

    12. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by spazdor · · Score: 1

      That's 65% with just one tweet, though; presumably quality is better given more tweets as sample data.

      I wouldn't be so sure. I think the uncertainty might have less to do with a given user's linguistic variation from one tweet to the next, and more to do with the fact that gender isn't actually the sole determinant of how people talk. If 30% of women consistently produce "male-sounding" language and 30% of men produce "female-sounding" language, according to whatever metric these researchers have come up with, that's quite different from if all women produce "male-sounding" language 30% of the time and vice versa. I find the first scenario far more likely than the second, and if this were true, it would imply that gathering more tweets from the same user is unlikely to make their guess much better.

      Reading between the lines, I suspect that if reading subsequent tweets *did* refine their estimates significantly, they would have opted to use a more impressive stat such as "80% certainty after reading ten tweets".

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    13. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by spazdor · · Score: 1

      (this is all from merely RTFS, though. I'm not really interested enough to look at their data, but which stat they chose to put in the summary speaks volumes.)

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    14. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. A blind guess is equal to the proportion of women on twitter. If there are 65% of twitter users that are actually women, then their predictor is just doing as good as random...

      Not really. Even if all the users were women you'd still have a 50% chance of guessing right using an unbiased coin toss: whatever the sex of each person, you either get it right or get it wrong.

      A biased guess would of course yield different results depending on the population, but that's not usually what people mean by "guessing".

    15. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by dreampod · · Score: 1

      According to the study's (dubious) technique of identifying the gender of tweeters, the breakdown is 42% female, 35% male, 23% unidentified.

    16. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by dreampod · · Score: 1

      They also had a handful of Amazon Mechanical Turk users identify gender for the same tweets and they were 67.3% accurate for single tweets compared to the automated system's 67.8%.

    17. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by shermo · · Score: 1

      What's the male/female split of posters on Twitter?

      If 65.7% of users are male I can guess what gender a poster is and I'll get it right 65.7% of the time.

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    18. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not like the money spent on the research was burned in an incinerator in the middle of no where. The money went towards the pay researchers, managers, support staff, cleaning staff, etc. at the research facility. These people then went out and bought houses, cars, McDonald's shakes, LCD TVs, etc. Other portions of the money go toward lab equipment and facilities and the like. These funds also enter the economy.

      Money spent on research isn't wasted. It goes right into the economy.

      I'm tired of these teabag-esque people always stating the money spent on research is pissed-away. It is not. It goes into the economy.

      The type of thinking this person has is indicative of someone that has their mental development stunted at 14 years of age.

    19. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by tepples · · Score: 1

      What's the male/female split of posters on Twitter?

      It's in the article, and it's closer than 60/40.

    20. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by EEPROMS · · Score: 1

      What about metrosexual or gay men/woman as they cross the lines. Anyone trying to define sexuality as a yes or no (just ask a biologist what is natural and they will laugh at you) based on a set language subset is in for a demoralising hiding.

    21. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by flyingsquid · · Score: 1

      The summary doesn't say if accuracy goes up with more tweets, and if you RTFA it actually doesn't say either, but it turns out the article itself is just a summary of *another* article http://www.fastcompany.com/1769217/there-are-no-secrets-from-twitter. That article mentions that reading all tweets brings accuracy up from 65.9% to 75.8%. Not bad... although not exactly amazing, either. Some of it's sort of dead obvious. Possessives like "My hubby" "my bf" "my yogurt" and "my yoga" are correlated with being female and stuff like "my wife" "my gf" "my jeep" and "my beer" are correlated with being male. And if that's a lot of the algorithm is going off of, the whole premise of outing someone pretending to be female is sort of silly in that case... obviously if you're a dude pretending to be a girl, you're going to tweet stuff like "OMG I love my bf" not "My gf can't tell me not to drive my jeep while drinking my beer, dude."

    22. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      I hope that extra 15% certainty didn't cost millions in research grants; as a blind guess has 50% chance of being right.

      Besides, all they've done by publishing this is give people wanting to fake their gender some good pointers on how to do it.

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    23. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by blue+trane · · Score: 1

      I wonder how much the traders paid for their algorithms that had much less than 50% chance rate of predicting future housing prices?

    24. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by retchdog · · Score: 1

      why not have the researchers break windows for a living?

      there is good natural language research. this, however, could be done (given the data) by one person in a few hours with prepack software: http://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/textcat/index.html

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    25. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by tftp · · Score: 1

      With only 140 characters to work with I am finding 65.9% impressive.

      That may only look impressive. You need to consider the obvious giveaways (they list them.) So you have a set of words that give you 100% certainty (as far as the words are true.) What must be the percentage of messages with such giveaways to achieve 66%?

      If the percentage is zero you have 50% (nothing but blind guesses.) If the percentage is 100% you have 100%. The linear approximation is:

      g=50+50*p

      Solving for g=66 we get p=0.32. This means that if 1/3 of all messages contains obvious giveaways then the claimed 66% will be achieved.

    26. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by Dean+Edmonds · · Score: 1

      a blind guess has 50% chance of being right

      If you guess "female" you've actually got a 55% chance of being right.

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    27. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      I think this whole discussion is sort of missing the point.

      First, someone is trying to fool the world into believing that they are the other gender. So, we have an intelligence gaming the system, for whatever reasons. Fun, scamming, whatever - we have an intelligence attempting to fool all other intelligences on the web.

      The average person has no idea whether this individual is actually male or female, when they meet that person online. Previously, the primary indicators were the screen name, and whatever that individual wanted you to read or hear.

      With this research, you now have a few tools with which to measure your initial assumptions about this new online personality that you have just met. I wasn't aware that simply by typing "google" into a dialogue, I was giving a big hint that I am male - and most of the impersonators probably don't either. The data provided from this study isn't going to make you certain of anything - it's just data that exposes trends that may or may not validate your assumptions about other people.

      This amounts to my first day in a leadership class. Instructor said, "We aren't going to turn you into leaders. We are going to provide you with a toolbox full of tools that you can use to improve your own leadership abilities." Take the tools, and use them. You still can't be certain that the hot chick tweeting at you is really a hot chick, but you might start wondering if she persists in using a half dozen male oriented terms.

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    28. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love it!

      What a cute algorythm...ha-ha.

      omg, what a happy girl we'd see if she had her hair died chocolate for her hubby, Lol.

      Guess I've just become a woman.

    29. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by sg_oneill · · Score: 1

      Typing google into google doesn't prove your a man, it just makes you dangerous to the internet!

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    30. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      I imagine cultural bias was ignored in the study, since there is a good chance an east Asian guy would be considered female, if this study was simply bases on North American statistics. I say this since I find in south east and east Asia people are much more visual in the text they write.

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    31. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My algorithm says all slashdot posters are male, based only on reading one post from each person, even if the post is only 3 letters long. I claim at over 85% accuracy..

    32. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With this research, you now have a few tools with which to measure your initial assumptions about this new online personality that you have just met. I wasn't aware that simply by typing "google" into a dialogue, I was giving a big hint that I am male - and most of the impersonators probably don't either.

      By typing "google", you imply that you are or have been online. In what universe is that not a big hint that you are male?!

      "Welcome to the internet, where the men are men, the women are fat men, and the little girls are fat ugly G-men."

    33. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      Well, yes, obviously. It's useful for ad-targeting, which needs to be automated. Using it in any context where it's feasible to just have a human read the text is pointless, and there's obviously no way to conclusively determine anyone's gender without requiring them to disrobe. Far too many men chat like women, and women chat like men. Like virtually everything even remotely like this, it's useful when applied to groups for a statistical measure, and utterly useless when applied to any one individual to determine anything about them. Not everyone is the epitome of their stereotype.

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    34. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      How much of this is universal and just American-English? Can this be applied to other languages to pick up like patterns?

      This in particular would only work on American English-speakers or sufficiently similar, but the same idea should work anywhere when modified for the local culture, and in many cultures, probably be more accurate, as communication patterns follow who you interact with regularly, and in many cultures, cross-gender communication is less common, more limited, and/or significantly less egalitarian.

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    35. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      It seems to me that...

      I love it when people attempt to make statistical generalizations from personal experience. XD

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    36. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      What about metrosexual or gay men/woman as they cross the lines.

      The buying habits of these people is probably as skewed from gender-based stereotypes as their communication styles. If their ad experience ends up being skewed by using this algorithm, that's probably a feature, not a bug.

      Anyone trying to define sexuality as a yes or no (just ask a biologist what is natural and they will laugh at you) based on a set language subset is in for a demoralising hiding.

      Irrelevant, not what they're trying to do, and I suspect you've missed the point entirely...

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    37. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by whiplashx · · Score: 1

      The group was 47/31 female to men, so guessing "female" would be a 59% success strategy, so blind guess does not have 50% chance of being right, however you're still right on the main point, I think. To rephrase their finding, something like 30% of twitter posts are markedly masculine or feminine. I can't think of any way to use that information practically.

    38. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by Macgrrl · · Score: 2

      I suppose I could always google it. Oops, I think I broke the algorithim.

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    39. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by Macgrrl · · Score: 2

      *pout*

      *sigh*

      sooooo tired of the 'no women teh interwebs' meme

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    40. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by kdemetter · · Score: 1

      So if you want to impersonate a women on Twitter , now all you have to do is run this algorithm , and insure that it says you are a women , and then you have an additional method to 'prove' that you are a women.

    41. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      92% is kinda useless since that "entire set" include profiles from blogs associated with twitter accounts, which in this case include real names.

    42. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by sFurbo · · Score: 1

      There are other uses of this work. It highlights the differences in how the genders use the language, and how different the uses are. That could be useful in sociology; the methodology could be novel and useful for other works etc.
      If the standard your post hints at was applied to the natural sciences, we should complain about using millions to better understand fruit flies (as some politicians have done).

    43. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by sFurbo · · Score: 1

      I don't think that comment even makes sense unless gender is a Bell curve (and even if we accept that it is a continuum, I would say it is bimodal).

    44. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Twitter has a slight female bias so just guess "female" every time for 55% hit rate.

    45. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by Noughmad · · Score: 1

      What's 1 SD worth?

      Not much.

      And by the way, Slashdot is usually abbreviated as /.

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    46. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Also, I'm sure that as soon as that algorithm is available, one use for it will be by men impersonating women, in order to see whether their texts pass the test, and adapt accordingly.

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    47. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by Noughmad · · Score: 1

      It might be much more accurate with Slavic languages, becase past and future tense have different forms for males or females. So I'd guess more than 65% just from looking at verbs.

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    48. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by lostmongoose · · Score: 1

      Rule 16 is absolute!

    49. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by infolation · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the same algorithm that identifies the gender of a tweet could also be used to 'girl-ify' a tweet from male to female language.

      Feed in your tweet. Press 'Girl-ify'. Hey presto, all your macho male grunting is converted to fluffy, girly, gender-skewed language.

    50. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      since there is a good chance an east Asian guy would be considered female

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    51. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Quit whining already, I'm trying to watch the football.

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    52. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Feed in your tweet. Press 'Girl-ify'. Hey presto, all your macho male grunting is converted to fluffy, girly, gender-skewed language.

      Ok, lets give that a go:

      omg! Feed in your tweet. Press'Girl-ify' :) Hey presto, all your "macho" male *grunting* (lol) is converted to fluffy, girly <3 gender-skewed language. yay!

      Hmm. Making your sub-140 char message girlified takes it over the 140 char twitter limit. Next piece of research: Do women use more emoticons and throwaway expressions of emotion because they had less to say in the first place and needed to use up the spare characters?

    53. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Will you marry me?

    54. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      One of their graphs is labeled "Performance increases with more tweets from target user", showing that at 32 tweets, their accuracy is > 90%. However this is including things like screen name, profile descriptions and full name. Using only tweets they are at 76% even with many tweets, so yeah quality *is* bettwe but not by much. They also say that only 5% of humans performed better than the machine with many tweets.

      I would imagine you'd be able to get very close to 100% just given that information. (Obviously you'd have the boy called Sue problem...)

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    55. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      You still can't be certain that the hot chick tweeting at you is really a hot chick,

      The standard solution is to request a full nude pic with today's date and some random codeword written in lipstick across their boobs and/or genital area. Apparently.

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    56. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by uncanny · · Score: 1

      I pretty much consider metrosexuals women anyways.

    57. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, make that 55%. According to TFA, 55% of twitter users are female. So just guessing "female" every time will make you right 55% of the time.

      The more interesting part is that if it uses all the information publicly avilable from your twitter profile, the accuracy rate goes up to 92%.

    58. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by realityimpaired · · Score: 1

      You still can't be certain that the hot chick tweeting at you is really a hot chick, but you might start wondering if she persists in using a half dozen male oriented terms.

      That's the problem, though... how do you know if those terms are actually male-oriented? Like most people with an education, I use language differently depending on the format it's in. In spoken conversation, yes, I do use a lot of the words that they identify as typically "female". And while I may write something like "omg, you have got to be kidding lol :)" in an MSN chat with a friend, most of those words would *never* make it into something I write, so how would they be able to identify based on that? That's to say nothing of the cultural skew that's present in their lists (using the word husband/hubby scores -45 points towards being male? that'll surprise some of my gay male friends who, living in a country that allows it, have gotten married).

      Some may argue that Twitter is more like an MSN chat than it is a blog post, and I really can't argue that point because I wouldn't sign up for Twitter unless you paid me. I would probably treat it more like Facebook, where the overwhelming majority of my posts are composed of complete sentences comprising words you'll find in a dictionary. But if you're just reading a blog post, how on earth could you tell? If I have you on Facebook or MSN, chances are we've spoken face to face at least once, and if that's the case, then you don't need a computer to tell you which bathroom I use.

    59. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a blind guess has 50% chance of being right.

      RTFA: 55% for their data basis. And they didn't verify the tweeters' sex (whatever "verify" means in this context - DNA analysis? measure genitals?). They didn't test their algorithm on heterosexual male assholes posing as "gay girls" either. There's no indication that the algorithm would spot a good writer intentionally performing either gender.

    60. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be a woman, dude.

    61. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by metacell · · Score: 1

      Yep. And all of the chicks I've chatted with so far have turned out to be men. They refused to send the pic.

    62. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interestingly, the signifiance of the 65.9% depends heavily on the population of men and women on the site. If men are over 70% of the users, simply guessing men every time would be a remarkable 70% accurate without even reading a single tweet.

    63. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahaha, love it! Yay, I'm a happy girl with long hair, lol. Hubby, go get me some chocolate!

    64. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      You don't understand statistics. The vast (well over 99.999999999999999%) majority of couples in which one spouse refers to the other as "hubby" are a man and a woman. That gay couples exist is entirely an outlier and contributes to the error rate, but not significantly.

      Basically you're trying to say that because a one in several million example exists, that the entire statistical model is crap.

      Similarly, men and women use language differently. There's nothing to suggest that there is a forum in which this is not true. Just because you don't use the same language in different forums does not mean that you sound like a different gender in different forums. It just means that context is important when determining which language sounds male and which sounds female.

    65. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by MyFirstNameIsPaul · · Score: 1

      Um, I was questioning the OP comparison with 65% being the same as a 50% chance of being right by chance.

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    66. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the male/female split of posters on Twitter?

      It's in the article, and it's closer than 60/40.

      The article says 45/55. Are people just pretending to read it now?

    67. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by Requiem18th · · Score: 1

      Your use of the words certainty, research and grants determine you are 95% likely to be male.

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    68. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The vast (well over 99.999999999999999%) majority of couples in which one spouse refers to the other as "hubby" are a man and a woman.

      So, assuming 6.93 billion people on Earth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population) and pretending that every single one of those people is part of a non-lesbian couple, you're saying that there are fewer than 3.465/1000000 gay male couples in the entire world?

    69. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by metacell · · Score: 1

      I think the linear approximation is exactly right in this case, because the relationship happens to be linear.

      Assume p messages contain dead giveaways, which allow us to determine the gender with certainty. The other (1-p) messages we have to guess on, so we get it right with half of those. So the total number we get right is

      g = p*1 + (1-p)*0,5 = p + 0,5 - 0,5p = 0,5 + 0,5p

      Solve for g=0,66:

      0,66 = 0,5 + 0,5p
      0,16 = 0,5p
      0,32 = p

    70. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by metacell · · Score: 1

      In most languages, the verb form depends on the subject, not the speaker. Does "I run" look different in slavic languages depending on if the speaker is a man or a woman?

    71. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by Noughmad · · Score: 1

      No, but "I ran" does.

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    72. Re:Let's hope that 15%... by metacell · · Score: 1

      Cool.

  2. This doesn't work on me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body.

    1. Re:This doesn't work on me. by _merlin · · Score: 1

      Quite seriously though, I'm a straight guy, and I make heavy use of exclamation marks, emoticons, "omg", "haha" and "love" in IM conversations, although not so much when blogging. I don't use Twitter, so one can't say whether I'd show these girly traits there.

    2. Re:This doesn't work on me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you mean:

      Hi lovers, I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body! ;) Kisses!

    3. Re:This doesn't work on me. by jc42 · · Score: 1

      I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body.

      Heh. In our house, my wife occasionally comments on how several well-known online companies (including netflix and google) seem to have decided that she's a gay male. If so, she's very good at impersonating a straight female when I'm around. ;-)

      So far, we haven't actually found any downside to this, but it's not hard to imagine situations where it could cause serious problems. For example, the guys who killed Matt Shepard might not believe that her "disguise" isn't a disguise. Such things happen in our world.

      So I'm not really all that comfortable with the idea that a piece of software somewhere will be inferring things about me related to sex, and giving its conclusions to people who I don't know, to do with as they like. Our society has a long, sorry history telling us what this can lead to.

      One thought, I suppose, might be "How can a lot of us work to sabotage things like this and poison their inferences?" Another might be "Is there a way we can learn about who is getting such inferred info about us, and what they're planning to do with it?" Or "It there a way we can find out who has bought this information, and sue the perpetrators if the information is incorrect?"

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    4. Re:This doesn't work on me. by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      One thought, I suppose, might be "How can a lot of us work to sabotage things like this and poison their inferences?" Another might be "Is there a way we can learn about who is getting such inferred info about us, and what they're planning to do with it?" Or "It there a way we can find out who has bought this information, and sue the perpetrators if the information is incorrect?"

      There really isn't a way to be able to sue them, unless you consider being called the wrong sex defamation, but even if you do, I doubt that courts would really recognize it as an actionable claim.

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    5. Re:This doesn't work on me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quite seriously though, I'm a straight guy, and I make heavy use of exclamation marks, emoticons, "omg", "haha" and "love" in IM conversations, although not so much when blogging.

      OMG! You might not be as straight as you'd like to think, Sir. I bet you loooove vibrating Apple devices too, Mr Head-In-The-Closet ;-) lol.

    6. Re:This doesn't work on me. by Sectoid_Dev · · Score: 1

      This was a real problem for me on WoW since I liked to play female toons. Somehow, I don't know why, everybody assumed I was female in real life. I realize there are always the 14 year old boys who want to talk to any 'girl', but even the guild leader (A woman herself) and several adults in the guild were shocked when I finally got on Ventrillo. I don't think I type using feminine words or expressions. I guess there might had been a lack of male lunk headedness on my part. One Guildie even tried getting me into cyber sex chat (a rather lame attempt too) before I had to put on the brakes and told him I was really a guy.

    7. Re:This doesn't work on me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More likely they've caught on to YOU being male, and your wife confuses them enough that they conclude that you're gay.

    8. Re:This doesn't work on me. by jc42 · · Score: 1

      Hmmm ... So maybe I should learn how to convince the analysis code that I'm a transvestite female pretending to be a gay male (to satisfy my "wife" who they believe is a gay male). I wonder who could give me lessons in this sort of fakery. I mean, I have no experience actually being female (or gay or transvestite), so I probably wouldn't do it right without some lessons.

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  3. Who Knew! by DoomHamster · · Score: 2

    Huh...the word "hubby" is used more by women. Who knew!

    1. Re:Who Knew! by DoomHamster · · Score: 1

      Yikes! Does the fact that I used an exclamation mark make me more feminine? OMG!! Err....AAUUUUGHHH!!!!! :(

    2. Re:Who Knew! by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Funny

      The mere fact that you show emotion outs you. Real men only use periods and commas, AND TYPE IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE REAL MEN ARE ALWAYS SHOUTING.

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    3. Re:Who Knew! by nschubach · · Score: 1

      I'm totally going to hell for this but in order to re-enforce my manhood, I must say:

      My zipper was down and my wife found my gf. My nigga wanted my beer and my shorts! I took my jeep and my woman to my vegas timeshare.

      (Here!)

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    4. Re:Who Knew! by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 1

      I hate the word "hubby". It's the linguistic equivalent of shopping for groceries in slippers and a mumu.

    5. Re:Who Knew! by raehl · · Score: 1

      It's ok. The program filters for exclamation points used after the opening word or after all-caps.

      Women do use lol more though, to use up some of the 120 characters left over after anything intelligent they had to say.

    6. Re:Who Knew! by el3mentary · · Score: 2

      I'm totally going to hell for this but in order to re-enforce my manhood, I must say:

      My zipper was down and my wife found my gf. My nigga wanted my beer and my shorts! I took my jeep and my woman to my vegas timeshare.

      (Here!)

      You used an exclamation mark you are clearly a woman.

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    7. Re:Who Knew! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I thought Jeeps were gay. Who knew?

    8. Re:Who Knew! by PPH · · Score: 1

      New York state just screwed up the statistics on that.

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    9. Re:Who Knew! by formfeed · · Score: 1

      lol! that's sooo cute!!
      chuckles ;)
      :)

    10. Re:Who Knew! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, stay away from the Brawndo for a day, ok?

    11. Re:Who Knew! by Marurun · · Score: 1

      AnD WoMeN TeNd To TyPe LiKe ThIs. OMG!

    12. Re:Who Knew! by snowgirl · · Score: 2

      I don't have mod points, so I have to post a comment to tell you, "funniest thing I read all day". You boys are weird :P

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    13. Re:Who Knew! by Macgrrl · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing you just post google over and over to fill up the 140 characters left after you've said something worthwhile.

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    14. Re:Who Knew! by sFurbo · · Score: 1

      HAH, real men don't use periods, the name is just too feminine

      The reason the study did so badly is that real men doesn't use the internet, they are too busy boar-hunting using only a knife
      Wait, DAMN! Oh, and an exclamation mark :(

    15. Re:Who Knew! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You used an exclamation mark you are clearly a woman.

      not to mention the abbreviation. I guess that makes her a lesbian.

    16. Re:Who Knew! by raehl · · Score: 1

      The odds of the writer being female also goes up if they are bad at math. For example, if there were 140 characters left, I wouldn't have said anything at all.

    17. Re:Who Knew! by RivenAleem · · Score: 3, Funny

      We use a FULL STOP. Cus when I tell that sentence to end it motherfucking does. Bitches.

    18. Re:Who Knew! by necro81 · · Score: 1

      Real men don't even bother with commas because REAL MEN DON'T SLOW DOWN FOR F&#KING ANYTHING!

    19. Re:Who Knew! by ginbot462 · · Score: 1

      They just like riding ponies :)!!!!!!

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    20. Re:Who Knew! by Macgrrl · · Score: 1

      No, it just implies you've said nothing of value.

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    21. Re:Who Knew! by raehl · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing you just post google over and over to fill up the 140 characters left after you've said something worthwhile.

      It specifically states that something worthwhile is said, which can not be done in 0 characters.

      Losing the argument and then pretending you were talking about something else would also increase the odds that the speaker is female.

  4. just better than guessing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but only just?

  5. Oh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those cunning linguists!

  6. Or... by Shillo · · Score: 1

    Or it can be used as a training tool for would-be impersonators.

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    1. Re:Or... by Nationless · · Score: 1

      omg, yayyy!

      Wait until my hubby hears about this! hahaha

      -Happy girl with chocolate hair, lol.

    2. Re:Or... by Shillo · · Score: 1

      I see your point. It won't fool the people who use common sense but it -will- fool the people who use the same software. :)

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    3. Re:Or... by John+Hasler · · Score: 2

      > Or it can be used as a training tool for would-be impersonators.

      Or to test gender-altering scripts. OMG! :)

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    4. Re:Or... by Alex+Belits · · Score: 1

      tits or gtfo

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    5. Re:Or... by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      Or it can be used as a training tool for would-be impersonators.

      It probably doesn't tell them anything they haven't already gathered simply by watching people communicate. I don't think a single rule mentioned was anything I haven't noticed myself. Anyone who would have a good chance of pulling it off already knows this stuff and more.

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    6. Re:Or... by houghi · · Score: 1

      (.)(.)

      Some words to be able to post

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  7. Linguists Need to Visit a Starbucks Occasionally by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 5, Funny

    The mere fact of a tweet containing an exclamation mark or a smiley face meant that odds were a woman was tweeting

    or a Mac user.

  8. Trotting out this old joke. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The internet: where men are men, women are men, and children are federal agents (also men.)

    1. Re:Trotting out this old joke. by djlowe · · Score: 1

      The internet: where men are men, women are men, and children are federal agents (also men.)

      Sucks to be you, I imagine.

    2. Re:Trotting out this old joke. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This thread: a fine specimen of Slashdot humor.

    3. Re:Trotting out this old joke. by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      It sucks to have a sense of humour?

    4. Re:Trotting out this old joke. by metacell · · Score: 1

      The internet: where men are men, women are men, and children are federal agents (also men.)

      Actually, many of the federal agents playing girls are women.

      Um, I've heard.

  9. 65.9% aint so hot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Given that a drunken monkey with a dart gun could manage roughly 50% accuracy given only two choices, 65.9% doesn't exactly seem like a major advance...

    1. Re:65.9% aint so hot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A drunken money with a dart gun would accidentally kill itself or one of the researchers 10% of the time so it would have only 45% accuracy.

      LOL! (:

  10. 65 percent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    65%?? that's very close to myself flipping a coin...

    1. Re:65 percent by Squiffy · · Score: 1

      The test set represented 18000 users. The probability of flipping 18000 coins and getting 65.9% heads or more is 8.1e-405.

    2. Re:65 percent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What happens if 70% of the people using twitter are female? then coin flipping is not relevant...

  11. Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Really. Who cares?

    1. Re:Who cares? by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      Really. Who cares?

      You do, or you wouldn't have clicked into this article to read and comment on it. By the way, by doing so, you've indicated the site should post more content like it. Simply clicking is a metric sites use for determining the interest in stories, but commenting is an even bigger and more meaningful metric. What precisely you say is irrelevant, the fact that the story generated more discussion is all the number-cruncher sees.

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  12. The Phrase to Type by Murdoch5 · · Score: 1

    How do you fold a fitted sheet and why do you need more then 2 pairs of shoes.

    1. Re:The Phrase to Type by AdamWill · · Score: 1

      Let's see - sneakers, flip-flops, black formal, dark brown formal, light brown formal, tennis, golf, badminton, slip-ons. I'm at 9 and I don't even have a white pair!

    2. Re:The Phrase to Type by Skidborg · · Score: 2

      Sneakers and Steel-toed boots. We apparently have different jobs.

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    3. Re:The Phrase to Type by Murdoch5 · · Score: 1

      Steel Toe and Dress Shoes, thats all I need. You can do everything but formal in steel toe because you can get running shoe styled steels and then you need a good pair for going out. So I say again why more then 2? At least why would a heterosexual male need more then 2, I don't judge based on orientation.

    4. Re:The Phrase to Type by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      So I say again why more then 2?

      I'm on to 4 before I even move beyond sports. Running shoes (decent cushioning, not easily waterlogged), cross-trainers (better lateral stiffness, less slippery on grass for stop-start, especially sideways motion) and indoor trainers (so as not to tramp grit everywhere, plus much superior grip on smooth wood than outdoor shoes). Steel toe shoes are simply too dangerous for team sports. Also, a pair of cycling shoes with cleat lugs.

      And seriously, if you do sports seriously then you don't want to wear the same pair of trainers all the time since they get kind of damp.

      Then I have hiking boots, normal day-to-day shoes for work, a pair of work boots, formal shoes, and pair of wellies somewhere.

      That's 9 so far. I could get by fine with one pair of trainers, but the experience would be very sub-optimal.

      Shoes are tools. If your toolbox contains nothing but a hammer and a flathead screwdriver, then it's a very poor toolbox.

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    5. Re:The Phrase to Type by Murdoch5 · · Score: 1

      I think you took this to seriously. lol

  13. Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But will it help me score?!?

  14. Well that buggered the job up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now the fakers will all be using exclamation marks and smileys.

  15. Re:Linguists Need to Visit a Starbucks Occasionall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hahahahahaha

  16. Wow, 65.9%. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uh, that's not very impressive.

  17. Re:Linguists Need to Visit a Starbucks Occasionall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OK, so you're suggesting they should replace "man" with "likes girls" and "woman" with "likes boys"? I'd buy that...

  18. Uh Oh by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 1

    Apparently I have very feminine text messages/tweets, as I use excessive emoticons, exclamation points, and affectionate pet names (though those are directed towards females). And here I thought I had solidified my masculinity when I burnt all my pink shirts.

    Then again, the nickname probably isn't helping either...

    1. Re:Uh Oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      funny ... there was no emoticons or exclamation marks in your post! :)

    2. Re:Uh Oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah your just a faggot

    3. Re:Uh Oh by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 1

      I try to keep it professional on slashdot. I have no idea why that is.

    4. Re:Uh Oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I sometimes use "love", "cute", and "beautiful". Might as well add it to the list of feminine things I do. Not that there's anything wrong with being a sometimes-feminine male... right? Who needs "The Terminator"-style men anyway?

      I'm not gay, I just sound like it.

    5. Re:Uh Oh by hitmark · · Score: 1

      Would playing one in a orchestra suffice?

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    6. Re:Uh Oh by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

      Apparently I have very feminine text messages/tweets, as I use excessive emoticons, exclamation points, and affectionate pet names (though those are directed towards females). And here I thought I had solidified my masculinity when I burnt all my pink shirts.

      Surprisingly, the algorithm would classify me as a male: the only thing on that list that I do quite often is use smileys. Quite depressing.

    7. Re:Uh Oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its causing a gender identity crisis for me too!!!!!

      i had no idea i was typing feminine :(

    8. Re:Uh Oh by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      And here I thought I had solidified my masculinity when I burnt all my pink shirts.

      At least you didn't burn your bras... ;)

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    9. Re:Uh Oh by Cederic · · Score: 1

      mmm, faggots. Damn you, you've made me hungry.
      http://www.tesco.com/superstore/xpi/5/xpi50150805.htm

      maybe some spotted dick for pudding too:
      http://www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id=262754870

    10. Re:Uh Oh by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      Gaygirlie...

      So it kind of makes sense.

  19. The male keywords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "http, google"

    That's it. Those are the words guys use more? They link to stuff and Google? Really?

  20. Well depends on how it increases by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A statistically significant amount of accurate based on a single, at most 140 character, statement is not a small thing, so long as it scales with more. If that means that with a few statements or a longer statement you get in to the high 90s then that would be quite interesting. If it is 65% right all the time, then yes it was rather a waste.

    1. Re:Well depends on how it increases by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      If it is 65% right all the time, then yes it was rather a waste.

      Disagree - that's 2:1 odds, which is still pretty huge all on its own.

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    2. Re:Well depends on how it increases by wealthychef · · Score: 2

      How is this "huge?" What the hell are you going to do with it? Someone tweets and uses an exclamation point, so you... what now?

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    3. Re:Well depends on how it increases by raehl · · Score: 5, Funny

      I go to my congressional office, take my shirt off, arrange my family photos in the background, and take a picture to send to them.

    4. Re:Well depends on how it increases by IceNinjaNine · · Score: 3, Funny

      If that means that with a few statements or a longer statement you get in to the high 90s then that would be quite interesting.

      Interesting stuff. I wrote the first revision of my best friend's profile for match.com (I'm a man, she's a woman) simply because she was just awful at putting her best foot forward. She tweaked it, but I wonder how that would have come out under such analysis.

      Noooo! She's not a lithe fifty year old target shooting yoga instructor, she's a MAN! ;)

    5. Re:Well depends on how it increases by LordLucless · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I wonder what the proportions are on tweets that are deliberately intending to be misleading. Getting a 65% hit rate on people who are attempting to deceive is much more impressive than 65% who aren't making any attempt to obfuscate their gender.

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    6. Re:Well depends on how it increases by Strange+Ranger · · Score: 2

      "How is this "huge?" What the hell are you going to do with it? Someone tweets and uses an exclamation point, so you... what now?"
       
      You look at more of their tweets until you're 98% sure. Then target your advertising.
       
      GONG! Thanks for playing.

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    7. Re:Well depends on how it increases by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      How is this "huge?" What the hell are you going to do with it? Someone tweets and uses an exclamation point, so you... what now?

      What's your point? 2:1 doesn't qualify as huge to you? If it were 10:1 odds what now?

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    8. Re:Well depends on how it increases by dreampod · · Score: 1

      They claim 75% accuracy when they analyze every tweet the account produced.

    9. Re:Well depends on how it increases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the accuracy does scale with extra info, but tops out in the low 90s.

      from TFA:

      info: gender prediction success rate
      one tweet: 65.9%
      profile description: 71.2%
      all tweets: 75.8%
      screen name: 77.1%
      full name: 89.1%

      all tweets + screen name: 81.4%
      screen name + description + all tweets: 84.3%
      all four fields: 92.0%

      i didn't catch how (if) the algorithm weights the fields differently when predicting gender.

    10. Re:Well depends on how it increases by mdf356 · · Score: 1

      hahaha, dammit, my mod points expired yesterday. You, sir, made me LOL. I assume you're a guy since there's no exclamation points or smileys! :-)

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    11. Re:Well depends on how it increases by mdf356 · · Score: 1

      Once you know to add hahaha, lol, :-) and such wouldn't the deception be better? In some ways this is like detecting fake accents -- you can learn to speak with another accent with practice.

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    12. Re:Well depends on how it increases by raehl · · Score: 1

      It's probably best I'm a guy. Have you seen the women they elect to congress?

      Well, I guess if you got one of the Republicans you'd be OK. Democrats seem to vote for brains.

    13. Re:Well depends on how it increases by MidGe · · Score: 1

      Learn to speak with another accent with practice!?

      Maybe, but you can't get rid of your accent, if you learned a new language past a certain age (teens?). I know. I moved to an english speaking country at nineteen, and now, 40+ odd years later, I still have a french accent that I can't get rid of, except for brief periods and with a lot of efforts (and then, it is me saying I have no accent :) ).

    14. Re:Well depends on how it increases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I take off my robe and judge hat.

    15. Re:Well depends on how it increases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the hell are you going to do with it?

      Show tampon ads to 34.1% of slashdot posters.

    16. Re:Well depends on how it increases by rdnetto · · Score: 1

      Agreed. The use of emoticons and affection strikes me as obvious - anyone who was serious about projecting a false identity would type with a different personality.

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    17. Re:Well depends on how it increases by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      I can provide 95% accuracy if gender is provide alone ;) The missing five percent if for people not quite telling the truth. I am confused though where to place cross-gender people?

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    18. Re:Well depends on how it increases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      as long as it's "65% right all the time," eh? *smh*

    19. Re:Well depends on how it increases by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      How is this "huge?" What the hell are you going to do with it? Someone tweets and uses an exclamation point, so you... what now?

      Display the ad for the family car instead of the sports car. Duh...

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    20. Re:Well depends on how it increases by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      Presumably the people tweating like a girl want their targeted ads to skew that way anyhow. Heck, they're probably more likely to buy that way, too...

      (Sorry, were you thinking this research has any use or point outside automated online ad delivery systems? It has no possible application that involves making any kind of judgement about any specific individual.)

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    21. Re:Well depends on how it increases by kenj0418 · · Score: 2

      How is this "huge?" What the hell are you going to do with it?

      That's what she said. Or maybe it was a he -- I'm confused now.

    22. Re:Well depends on how it increases by Macgrrl · · Score: 1

      hehe

      lol

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    23. Re:Well depends on how it increases by Keen+Anthony · · Score: 1

      I still call bullshit on this. As we all know, different professional fields and settings require different standards for written communications. When this story first came about, the researchers made the same claim about women and men writing differently, but they only looked at casual writing. I seriously doubt they could analyze a legal memorandum or a complaint, or an academic thesis in a scientific field, or a military communication, or even an RFC, and accurately determine the author's gender. I'm still not convinced their findings are true for even casual communications.

    24. Re:Well depends on how it increases by kmoser · · Score: 1

      How is this "huge?" What the hell are you going to do with it?

      Funny, that's what my GF said to me the other day. So I'm guessing you're a woman, too.

    25. Re:Well depends on how it increases by RJFerret · · Score: 1

      There already is a tool, Gender Genie, although it just looks only at word usage, and prefers to have over 500 words, but it would apply to something like you describe very well. (I think I learned of it from Slashdot years ago.)

    26. Re:Well depends on how it increases by sFurbo · · Score: 1

      Except it doesn't scale as nicely. People who has made one gender-neutral (or cross-gender) tweet are more likely to do it again than people who has made one same-gender tweet. From a quick scan of the article, it seems that without screen-name (which you would assume would be the first thing people under assumed personas adjusts), they get a 76% chance. The average number of tweets per tweeter is around 20, so one must assume that we are in the area of diminishing returns (the first tweet gives a bigger boost than the remaining 19).

    27. Re:Well depends on how it increases by sFurbo · · Score: 1

      you can't get rid of your accent, if you learned a new language past a certain age (teens?).

      Probably around the age of 12, after that, the brain has a really hard time learning new sounds, or distinguishing sounds which wasn't distinguished before that (some Asians and l/r is a prime example).

    28. Re:Well depends on how it increases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aww, you're sooo totally cute, omg!!! chololate today, yay!! :-)

    29. Re:Well depends on how it increases by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Binary gender fields should be banned.

    30. Re:Well depends on how it increases by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      You see 2:1, I see "not much better than guessing".

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    31. Re:Well depends on how it increases by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      How is this "huge?" What the hell are you going to do with it? Someone tweets and uses an exclamation point, so you... what now?

      Initiate primary stalking function if you're like most slashdotters.

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    32. Re:Well depends on how it increases by ifrag · · Score: 1

      The drop downs that have "Other" are somewhat amusing, but I suppose having a wildcard covers whatever else one should want to classify as.

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    33. Re:Well depends on how it increases by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Then I suggest you never take up gambling.

    34. Re:Well depends on how it increases by FormOfActionBanana · · Score: 1

      Ponies.

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    35. Re:Well depends on how it increases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean "That's a MAN, baby!"

    36. Re:Well depends on how it increases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never been able to be a friend (let alone a best friend) with a woman without either fucking them or wanting to fuck them. If I can't fuck them, then the relationship will be at an acquaintance level only. Never could figure out how guys like you manage. My wife won't allow me to be friends with a woman either, so I guess it works out.

    37. Re:Well depends on how it increases by MidGe · · Score: 1

      I think it is not only the brain, but the morphology of the voice apparatus has been irreversibly changed too.

  21. The Internet... by slick7 · · Score: 1

    where men are women, women are women and kids are cops.

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    1. Re:The Internet... by DeeEff · · Score: 1

      I do miss the days where men were pedophiles, women were men and kids were FBI agents in a van outside your house.

      Back then, I at least knew who I was talking to...

    2. Re:The Internet... by Rassleholic · · Score: 1

      Where men are men and so are the women.

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    3. Re:The Internet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The joke is...

      The internet, where men are men and so are the women.

  22. So what about people like me? by killmenow · · Score: 1

    I'm a guy. And I used to keep up a personal blog. Once upon a time there was a website that would analyze your blog for you and guess if you were male or female much like this twitter nonsense.

    It guessed I was female. Dude! I'm not even gay! STOP SAYING THAT!!!

    I mean...seriously! Jesus Christ!

    1. Re:So what about people like me? by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 1

      Too many exclamation points is your problem... uh... dude...

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    2. Re:So what about people like me? by reason · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it guessed I was male, so it got that wrong too. Looking at the details of the twitter algorithm, this, too, would probably mistake me for a man.

      I find the girly squee stuff off-putting. Most of the women I follow on twitter are engineers and scientists, so I don't see that much of it. But when I was looking for a forum to get some support regarding pregnancy, I couldn't find anything remotely comfortable. I was looking for a bit of quiet reflection and rational advice, but all the forums were dominated by "OMG yay!" and enourmous sigs with animated gifs of butterflies and babies. It positively gave me the heebie-jeebies.

  23. OMG! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Ponies!!!

  24. wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So dont get this guys! Gonna pretend you do it right..right ;)

    Disclaimer: It took about over 15 minutes for me to write one line which didn't seem unequivocally to have been written by a guy, and when I finally thought I managed such a feat I found it so jarring that I was moved to append a disaclaimer explaining it. Must be girl thing.

    1. Re:wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THAT explains it... it just says it's a guy 99% of the time, and the handful of girls saying "huh, it got me wrong" get lost in the background noise.

  25. V.S. Naipaul was right? by l00sr · · Score: 1

    Nobel laureate V. S. Naipaul recently caused an uproar when he claimed, among other things, that he could identify the gender of an author from their work:

    In what must have been an attempt to be as offensive as possible, he continued, saying that men’s and women’s writing is “quite different I read a piece of writing and within a paragraph or two I know whether it is by a woman or not. I think [it is] unequal to me.”

    I guess this means he was right? Although, for the record, he still seems like an arrogant, sexist SOB--just not for this particular reason.

    1. Re:V.S. Naipaul was right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      V.S.Naipaul is right on this.

      I like reading detective/police/crime fiction and rarely enjoy such novels written by women. Apart from only a handful of exceptions I deliberately avoid reading such works by female authors. That is a matter of personal preference.

      Men and women ARE different. Why should this fact cause such alarm? After all, feminists are the first to argue that having more women in Government, on the Supreme Court or heading corporations would be better. How could it be better if women were not different, thought differently, and acted differently from men.

      Arguing that because women are different they are inferior is quite another argument entirely.

    2. Re:V.S. Naipaul was right? by metacell · · Score: 1

      If Nobel laureate V.S. Naipaul only gets it right 65% of the time, I'm not that impressed.

  26. Agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd be more impressed if it was wrong 70% of the time.

    1. Re:Agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Then all the women would know that the algorithm is a man ;-)

  27. IDENTITY CRISIS!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OMG, does this mean I'm really gay?!!! NLOL, WMS!!!

    [NLOL, WMS = not laughing out loud, wetting my self]

    It's a 140 character sex-change operation!

  28. This is easy by ue85 · · Score: 1

    WhEn YoU SeE pOsTs LiKe ThIs It iS aLwAyS a GiRl!!!!

    1. Re:This is easy by treeves · · Score: 1

      Except when it's not.

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    2. Re:This is easy by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      I thought it meant you were being an ironic hipster.

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  29. man vs. machine by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

    Do we have a benchmark for how well a human can detect genders? I understand being automagic has some special applications, but it seems like a useful point of comparison for its accuracy.

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    1. Re:man vs. machine by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      I would off-the-cuff suggest that it's unlikely that humans are good at it. We have a high-tendency to let previous biases or preconceptions of people get in the way.

      So, for example, you see the picture of a tweeter as a female, and you impose that belief into his/her text.

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    2. Re:man vs. machine by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      How other factors like handling of profile data come into play would be interesting, but we could isolate the profile factors by just letting the human read the text of the tweet, and nothing else.

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    3. Re:man vs. machine by PPH · · Score: 1

      True. But there are people who are good at identifying those situations where the gender doesn't match the behavior. In real life, its called 'gaydar'. On line, it could just be a phony picture and a poser.

      The gender-behavior mismatch is evident (I've been told) from the writing of the subjects in question. Not just the choice of words or little hearts where the periods should be, but based on the style of writing and subject matter. Apparently, a transcript of a conversation (or series of e-mails) between individuals produces a more accurate determination than an essay.

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    4. Re:man vs. machine by artor3 · · Score: 1

      TFA says that out of 130 test subjects, only 5 were able to beat the algorithm. Which isn't that surprising, when you think about it. People are good at picking up on stuff like that in person, because we can recognize millions of little cues, ranging from inflection to body language. But in a text message, all of that is stripped away. We have a hard enough time picking up on sarcasm in text. Picking out gender would be even tougher. You'd pretty much have to look for key topics or words, at which point the AI is on even footing.

    5. Re:man vs. machine by snowgirl · · Score: 3, Informative

      True. But there are people who are good at identifying those situations where the gender doesn't match the behavior. In real life, its called 'gaydar'. On line, it could just be a phony picture and a poser.

      The gender-behavior mismatch is evident (I've been told) from the writing of the subjects in question. Not just the choice of words or little hearts where the periods should be, but based on the style of writing and subject matter. Apparently, a transcript of a conversation (or series of e-mails) between individuals produces a more accurate determination than an essay.

      Yes, humans widely use language differently based on their own subcultures. Women particularly in some cultures speak an entirely different language from the gender-neutral language spoken by everyone. In some languages such as Japanese gendered language is extremely readily apparent, and when I was chatting on Japanese chatrooms, it was nice to be able to identify the gender of the speaker in one or two lines of text from them.

      In much the same way, while we often are of the belief that men and women use language the same way in English, because it's not readily apparent, we do actually use language differently. Here is another interesting one: women use fewer contractions than men. Weird but oddly true.

      All of this has less to do with "gaydar" than that every subculture speaks a slightly different dialect. Gay men have a selection of words that set them off, (I actually commented to a gay-rights group, where I was an "ally" of gay-rights, that they were using "fabulous" like... A LOT. And I was all, "um... do you REALLY want to be projecting the notion that this stereotype is valid and accurate? Because that is what you are doing.") and this does not mean that gay men talk like women. They actually talk differently and distinctly from women, but in this world of false dichotomies that we live in, we presume that if gay men don't talk the same way as straight men, then they must talk like women. But, in reality, this isn't actually correct.

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    6. Re:man vs. machine by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      How other factors like handling of profile data come into play would be interesting, but we could isolate the profile factors by just letting the human read the text of the tweet, and nothing else.

      True. I won't make the claim that we cannot make a rigorous study of the matter, but real world applications often become more difficult the more real world variables one eliminates from the matter. Even if we had perfect 100% accuracy of guessing the gender when all these factors are excluded, we still fail miserably in the real world case.

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    7. Re:man vs. machine by realityimpaired · · Score: 1

      Could. But most people would still apply some kind of social or cultural bias to it. For example, most people reading my posts on Slashdot assume that I'm male, because in their world view 99% of slashdot posters are male, and the other 1% are males pretending to be female. They assume wrong, but I really don't care enough to correct them usually.

      This is, after all, the Internet. Your gender shouldn't really be a point of consideration. The medium was created to foster the exchange of ideas, and whether something's a good idea has nothing to do with the sex of the author. (though to be fair, it's also been exchanging porn almost since its birth).

    8. Re:man vs. machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A different poster indicated further up (I imagine they pulled from TFA, but it could be anywhere) that the highest accuracy rate a person got looking only at 100 tweets was around 75%. The computer with that many tweets got 92%.

  30. Differently from / differently than by gawaino · · Score: 0

    "The research is based on the idea that women use language differently than men." I have another idea - that old people use language differently *from* you.

  31. What about Rule #30? by Froeschle · · Score: 1

    linguists have also developed a list of gender-skewed words used more often by women including love, ha-ha, cute, omg, yay, hahaha, happy, girl, hair, lol, hubby, and chocolate. Remarkably, even when only provided with one tweet,

    Yay omg, you are cute! I want to be a happy girl! I have no hubby and want u to rub chocolate in my hair. Hahaha!

  32. MOD PARENT UP by PRMan · · Score: 1

    This is exactly what I was going to say... Where's my mod points?

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  33. Well... by raehl · · Score: 1

    I've spent a long time online. And I can pretty easily and reliably deduce gender from what someone "says". Women write differently. I wouldn't say they write worse, just differently.

    1. Re:Well... by FrootLoops · · Score: 1

      Women write differently. I wouldn't say they write worse, just differently.

      From my own vast experience, I predict you are a man.

    2. Re:Well... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I'd agree. A woman wouldn't say they write differently, she'd say they are better at articulating themselves or are more expressive.

      Men are happy to acknowledge that there is a difference and move on.

    3. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once upon a time there was this professor who said that women wrote better and she could always tell a woman writer. She was given samples from, perhaps, George Eliot, George Sand, Isak Dinesen, Ernest Ahlgren, Acton Bell and five books with acknowledged female authors.

      She then complained that as she was given all female authors she could not possibly pick out the male authors yet if she were as good as she claimed she was she would have known that all ten were written by women. Giving 5 of each is just coin toss guessing.

      Academics, don't you just love them?

  34. Oh this ought to be good by BlueParrot · · Score: 1

    I wonder what would happen if you fed my stuff to this algorithm. I'm transsexual and hang out in very different environments depending on which of my friends I psend time with. It can range from LANs to baking parties. On the overall I'd say I'm a poor fit for both male and female stereotypes. It would also be fun to see what it would do with my lesbian friends, many of which are immense tomboys.

    1. Re:Oh this ought to be good by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Funny

      It would also be fun to see what it would do with my lesbian friends, many of which are immense tomboys.

      I guess I don't quite see what their weight has to do with anything...

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    2. Re:Oh this ought to be good by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      Like most statistical things like this, it will go off-the-rails when fed input from minorities or other cultures. That doesn't invalidate it, as it's largely irrelevant for its intended uses (e.g. ad targeting -- no one cares if it's not 100% accurate, it only needs to work for the majority and be accurate enough to increase revenue more than the cost).

      If you're like me, your whole behavior probably shifts significantly depending on context as well, so anything like this would likely render different judgements depending on when used.

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    3. Re:Oh this ought to be good by RJFerret · · Score: 1

      Well Gender Genie prefers having texts longer than 500 words, but feels that writing is more female than male (176 to 141).

    4. Re:Oh this ought to be good by KimberlySilver · · Score: 1

      This could be a real problem for trans people in general. Passing is hard enough as it is, and online is usually something of a safe haven in that regard.

  35. Recognizing gender 65.9% based on one tweet by wurp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What was the gender distribution of the tweets this was tested against? If 65.9% of the tweets were from a male, the algorithm "return Gender.male;" will get the gender right 65.9% of the time...

    1. Re:Recognizing gender 65.9% based on one tweet by raynet · · Score: 1

      Also how did they know that the users claiming to be women were actually women. How were the 18000 users selected? Perhaps the article does clarify these things but I'd rather sleep now than read it.

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    2. Re:Recognizing gender 65.9% based on one tweet by ahziem · · Score: 3, Informative

      55% female according to the linked paper

    3. Re:Recognizing gender 65.9% based on one tweet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've found an algorithm that, by looking at user names, including "anonymous" identifies the gender of /. posters 97% of the time. It's very simple, too.

    4. Re:Recognizing gender 65.9% based on one tweet by gedhrel · · Score: 1

      From the article, about 55% female, and it mentioned that.

    5. Re:Recognizing gender 65.9% based on one tweet by gedhrel · · Score: 1

      From the article, 55% female, roughly, and it mentioned that.

    6. Re:Recognizing gender 65.9% based on one tweet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From TFA, the baseline was 54.9% female. So 65.9% is an improvement, however analyzing all tweets bumped it up to only 75.8%.

  36. They've done studies... by PunkFloyd · · Score: 1

    They've done studies, you know. They say 65.9% of the time, it works every time.

  37. Linguists don't "out" anyone. by blair1q · · Score: 1

    Linguists know that "out" is not a verb.

    1. Re:Linguists don't "out" anyone. by DoomHamster · · Score: 1

      Pedants know that "out" is not a verb.

      FTFY. As for Linguists, it would depend on what school of thought they subscribe to.

    2. Re:Linguists don't "out" anyone. by spazdor · · Score: 1
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    3. Re:Linguists don't "out" anyone. by RMingin · · Score: 1

      I don't understand, it's completely cromulent.

      Signed,
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    4. Re:Linguists don't "out" anyone. by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      Linguists know that "out" is not a verb.

      Only historical ones, or very bad ones. Modern ones who are good at their job know that it is.

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    5. Re:Linguists don't "out" anyone. by RMingin · · Score: 1

      It's totally cromulent.

      Signed,
      A cunning linguist

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    6. Re:Linguists don't "out" anyone. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no

    7. Re:Linguists don't "out" anyone. by realityimpaired · · Score: 1

      Most modern linguists would recognize that because the word has taken on a contextual meaning as a verb in contemporary society, that makes the word a verb. It wasn't a verb 100 years ago, but it is one now. One of the defining features of a language is the ability to adapt and change with the society that uses it.

      And yes, I did take linguistics at university.

    8. Re:Linguists don't "out" anyone. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linguists know that "out" is not a verb.

      Are you sure?

    9. Re:Linguists don't "out" anyone. by metacell · · Score: 1

      Sure "out" is a verb. As a non-native speaker, I think one of the nifty things about English is that you can form verbs from nouns so easily.

  38. Research? by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

    The paper is done by MITRE Corporation, I gave up reading it, scanned most of it and the results and method seem convoluted and unclear. By the way, the company's motto is: "Applying systems engineering and advanced technology to critical national problems"

  39. What's the unicode ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... for the glyph of an 'I' dotted by a little heart?

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    1. Re:What's the unicode ... by ChrisMP1 · · Score: 1

      Don't know, but there's U+2763 "Heavy Heart Exclamation Mark Ornament".

      Tried to type it, but the /. comment system still doesn't take Unicode... In 2011.... It wouldn't accept the HTML code for it either. Stripped it right out.

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  40. Well duh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bitches love smilies.

  41. This will only lead... by DollyTheSheep · · Score: 1

    This will only lead to better impersonations skills

  42. Gender Inequality by FrootLoops · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From the paper, in their data set 47.7% of tweets were from females, 32.8% were from males, and the rest was unspecified. Tossing out the unspecified ones, guessing "female" all the time would then give ~59% accuracy. On the surface that makes the 65.9% figure in the summary very lackluster, though better figures are reported with more information elsewhere in the article.

    1. Re:Gender Inequality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if they eventually do get reasonable statistics, wouldn't a verbal cross-dresser be able to read their paper and use their findings to evade detection?

    2. Re:Gender Inequality by FrootLoops · · Score: 1

      I don't think the point is to create a perfect detector. An extreme enough man could get a bank of several thousand sentences or sentence fragments written by women and piece them together to create their own posts. That should be virtually impossible to detect, but it's stupid to even try.

    3. Re:Gender Inequality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the "unspecified" ones are thrown out, the accuracy is skewed towards people self-selected to publish their gender in the first place - not unreasonable to expect these same people to write with a markedly gendered style.

      It's not unreasonable to hypothesise that people who for whatever reason don't publish a gender with their tweets are the same people that this algorithm would suffer the greatest inaccuracy.

    4. Re:Gender Inequality by Demogoblin · · Score: 3, Informative

      From TFA (http://images.fastcompany.com/upload/a_variousfields.png):

      Feature: Accuracy
      Baseline (Female): 54.9%
      One tweet: 65.9%
      Description: 71.2%
      All tweets: 75.8%
      Screen Name: 77.1%
      Full Name: 89.1%
      Tweets + screen name: 81.4%
        Screen name + description + all tweets: 84.3%
      All four fields: 92%

      Honestly, 77% based on screen name alone was the most interesting result to me.

  43. The only reason for the deduction is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only reason for the stipulated deduction that men and women speak differently is due to the enforcement of gender stereotypes. Given no outside influence, they wouldn't speak like this. A small percentage yes. Given the gender normatives, one could easily impersonate the other gender as the scripters have erroneously created it. The study is utter bollocks.

    I used UK vernacular...I must be from the UK! ...I'm from Texas...I don't say Y'all and I don't have an accent. I also use the phrase No Worries. Why? Because it is the nicest way to say what you intend. The list can go on ex infinitum.

    Cultural enforcement studies are abhorrent.

    1. Re:The only reason for the deduction is... by wierd_w · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not entirely true I am afraid.

      Several experiments were conducted in the 60s and 70s on children raised in gender neutral parenting conditions, that focused on toy choices.
      The experiment was intended to show the impact of societal imperitives on children and gender identities and gender specific behaviors, using toy preferences as metric.

      The result of the test STILL had little girls favoring dollies with bright colors, and boys favoring machines and soldier type toys, even when very carefully imposed gender neutrality parenting was in effect, even from very young ages.
      This is somewhat reinforced by more modern research into the physiological differences between male and female nervous systems.

      The idea that men and women might intrinsically focus more on different concepts (and thus, relate to their environments differently from each other, and as such, describe them differently in literature) is not really all that far-fetched.
      It is simply politically incorrect to state that women might actually have a biological proclevity toward being the "Domestic" partner in relationships given the current political climate of our western post-sufferage societies.

      Somehow, "Staying home, taking care of babies, and doing the chores all day." is seen as a degrading thing, while "Standing in an assembly line inserting part A into assembly B ad nauseum all day" is somehow seen in an idealized fashion as a kind of "Freedom"-- however sick that might be in reality not withstanding.

      Now, if you want to complain about women being statistically paid less than men, I will strongly support your argument that it (the practice) is based on pure bull--- But the statement that men and women are innately gender neutral and get conditioned exclusively by stereotypes? that is not supported by behaviorists.

      Gender stereotypes simply reinforce already existent behaviors, for better or for worse.

    2. Re:The only reason for the deduction is... by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      Now, if you want to complain about women being statistically paid less than men, I will strongly support your argument that it (the practice) is based on pure bull--- But the statement that men and women are innately gender neutral and get conditioned exclusively by stereotypes? that is not supported by behaviorists.

      Gender stereotypes simply reinforce already existent behaviors, for better or for worse.

      I'm going to argue with you a bit here, but not in the ways that you probably imagine. I do not think that men and women are innnately gender neutral. We certainly are born with some innate sense of gender, and whom we want to mimic and conform ourselves to. Much of those behaviors though are not innate, in fact, I would label it as "most" behaviors and stereotypes are acquired. And this "genderless rearing", from where? The kids were unable to watch TV, they were completely cut off from books, culture, and others? We impose these stereotypes quite subtly, and it is nearly as difficult to cool something to absolute zero as it is to keep a child in a purely genderless environment.

      That said, our children pick up and acquire much of these stereotyping self-conforming behaviors so easily and readily that they have to be innately directed. Not innate themselves, but acquired innately. Like language. We don't actually teach children language, they are exposed to it, and simply acquire it... but the language that one speaks is still culturally determined. The word for snow is "snow" or it's "xue", the child learns both readily and easily, because it's innately acquired, but the exact nature of the word itself is yet arbitrary and culturally imposed.

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    3. Re:The only reason for the deduction is... by houghi · · Score: 1

      The result of the test STILL had little girls favoring dollies with bright colors, and boys favoring machines and soldier type toys, even when very carefully imposed gender neutrality parenting was in effect, even from very young ages.
      This is somewhat reinforced by more modern research into the physiological differences between male and female nervous systems.

      Some background information that explains this.
      http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2008/dec/16/play
      Ona program I saw (probably BBC) they showed once what happened when they let a person play with a kid. Different people where told that the kid was male or female. What happend was that the adult was picking the toys to let the kid play with.

      So conditioning of the gender specific toys is done by the adults. I and this is done from pre-birth on. Blue for boys. Pink for girls. And not only the parents will have influence on this. Grandma buying the toys for the kid will be an influence as well.

      I personally do not think this is a bad thing. It worked for thousands (or 6.000 if you wish) of years, so why change? Just to be PC?

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    4. Re:The only reason for the deduction is... by renoX · · Score: 1

      > Several experiments were conducted in the 60s and 70s on children raised in gender neutral parenting conditions, that focused on toy choices.

      Was the experiment done in a "double blind" fashion?
      I.E you tell the adults and the children that some of the boys are girls and vice-versa?
      Otherwise I doubt that the experiment is very interesting: even if we try to be neutral, we treat differently boys and girls..

  44. False Headline on Slashdot - News at 11 by dreampod · · Score: 1

    This study in no way outs men impersonating women. In fact it specifically identifies gender for analysis by comparing it to the linked blog/website profile information and assuming that "the effort involved in maintaining this deception in two different places suggests that the blog labels on Twitter data are largely reliable". Basically it assumes that anyone attempting to impersonate the opposing gender is a tech ignorant moron that has made no effort to create a persona - something that is contrary to pretty much every piece of information we have on people who do this.

    Overall, a poorly constructed study that oversells what it discovers and is then exagerated and stretched by the media who claim things that even the study isn't pretending that it does - in other words a typical day in research and scientific reporting.

    1. Re:False Headline on Slashdot - News at 11 by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      The reporting on this is awful, but I don't see how the study itself is poorly constructed. Your objection is largely irrelevant. "Basically it assumes that anyone attempting to impersonate the opposing gender is a tech ignorant moron that has made no effort to create a persona - something that is contrary to pretty much every piece of information we have on people who do this." No. Basically, it assumes the number of people doing this are not a large enough percentage of the data to have any significant impact on the results. A statistical study is not invalid because there's a bit of noise in the data. Indeed, practically no statistical study would be possible if that were the case. It makes no assumptions at all about people attempting to impersonate the opposing gender beyond that they're rarer than people who aren't. As long as that fact is true, the methodology used here is sound, although the more people who are, the worse the results should be unless they're doing it perfectly.

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  45. Re:Linguists Need to Visit a Starbucks Occasionall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    omg lol! hair? Does that make me gay :'(

  46. Not impressed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Call me when they are able to identify people who actually try to impersonate the other gender. Otherwise, this isn't very useful, as asking people is probably going to yield more accurate results.

  47. Ad (Mis-)Targeting by dougr650 · · Score: 1

    So now if I tweet that I "love" something, or god forbid, use a smiley face or an exclamation point, I'm going to get tampon and other feminine product ads? Super.

  48. Love the last line in TFS by rsborg · · Score: 1

    Depending on how successful the program is proven to be, it could be used for ad-targeting, or for socio-linguistic research

    Better written as

    Depending on how successful the program is proven to be, it could be used for ad-targeting (EVIL), or for socio-linguistic research (GOOD)

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    1. Re:Love the last line in TFS by Leebert · · Score: 1

      it could be used for ad-targeting (EVIL),

      Why? If I'm going to be subjected somehow to advertisements, it might as well be for something I'm actually interested in.

    2. Re:Love the last line in TFS by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      ad-targeting (EVIL)

      You take the tampon ads, I'll sign up for targeting so I get CPU's, tablesaws, and rifle scopes.

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    3. Re:Love the last line in TFS by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Only an idiot sees targeted ads as more evil than untargeted ads.

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  49. NOT Impersonating by ugen · · Score: 1

    I read this article and didn't find anything about impersonation of gender. If anything, part of detection algorithm is based on looking for terms like "my wife/my gf" vs. "my hubby/my boyfriend". I think these terms are pretty self-explanatory (well, at least the former, in most states, the latter may belong to a gay user). In any case, this is a fairly trivial method of determining gender and one that seems to be quite basic and naive, in a way that any impersonator, even not particularly determined, would be able to defeat.
    Like, omg, whatever.

    1. Re:NOT Impersonating by retchdog · · Score: 1

      even worse: without any malice whatsoever, the situation described in the headline is potentially broken unless lesbians have roughly the same likely/unlikely words as women-as-a-whole.

      judging from the wordlist, any single male graduate student who practices yoga and eats yogurt may well be misclassified.

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    2. Re:NOT Impersonating by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      The headline is crap. Anyone who would use the algorithm in that manner is likely to be wrong at least once if they used it more than twice. That's not what it does nor what it's meant to do. It's like browsing habits -- making guesses about the browser based on where they visit is good enough to improve advertising effectiveness. It does not definitely tell you anything at all about any specific individual, ever.

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    3. Re:NOT Impersonating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      any single male graduate student who practices yoga and eats yogurt may well be misclassified.

      Strewth Bruce, it's a poofter!

    4. Re:NOT Impersonating by retchdog · · Score: 1

      yeah, but it's not even very good for that since the groups "all men on twitter" and "all women on twitter" are not even homogeneous (that is, the samples are not identically distributed).

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    5. Re:NOT Impersonating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If anything, part of detection algorithm is based on looking for terms like "my wife/my gf" vs. "my hubby/my boyfriend". I think these terms are pretty self-explanatory (well, at least the former, in most states, the latter may belong to a gay user).

      Because there's no such thing as gay women?

  50. Well.. I'm not a woman by Smirker · · Score: 1

    This study might also identify gay men from straight men. From reading this, I certainly would be classified as a woman. like, lolll hehe:)

  51. SecondLife could be next by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They could try this on SecondLife, but what would be the point?

  52. Hyperbole and Male Language Use by zombie_striptease · · Score: 1

    One of the gender differences in English uses that has interested me most is the male tendency to use absolutes more often. A lot of it seems to stem from the sort of "fish story" and humor-based phase of social bonding that begins for most boys in grade school. Men are more likely to say "always" when they mean "usually", "never" when they mean "rarely", etc... which tends to mean that those pedants among us who try to use more precise language sometimes end up appearing more effeminate, or weak (i.e. "You talk like a fag, and your shit's all retarded.") I often wonder how the social interactions between geeks and non-geeks, including bullying, are affected/effected by linguistic cues like these.

    1. Re:Hyperbole and Male Language Use by CronoCloud · · Score: 2

      Now THAT is insightful. That would explain things. It would explain why some people told me over the years that I "talked like a girl" because I spoke properly, and precisely in that nerdy way. By my standards, most men are sloppy speakers. Even my sister pointed this out to me at a drive thru some years back, she said most men would say "I wanna burger, fries, and coke." and then stop and drive on, while I said, "I would like a hamburger, medium order of fries and medium coke, please, and that will be all (to prevent the annoying upsell for dessert or anything else)"

      Then again, I am transgendered, and that might affect things alongside the nerdy precision.

    2. Re:Hyperbole and Male Language Use by JigJag · · Score: 1

      I guess background and type of employment are important to consider. In my case, my wife is the one using "always", "never", etc like you describe and I'm the one trying to be as accurate in my speech as possible. One pet peeve while I have your attention: the "all over", as in "there's a mess all over the kitchen" while in fact, there are 3 spots on the counter top.
      Now, I know that as a dude, it is my job to take that input, translate it via a handy memorized cheat sheet ("all over" = "more than 1", "never" = "not recently", ... ) and act accordingly. I still have to work on my output filter though, since it's still very rough, even after over a decade together.

      As for the background and job type, I'm a programmer from a romantic language speaking country.

      JigJag

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  53. OMG! I as a man will not love this AT ALL!!!!! by Tolkien · · Score: 1

    OMG! Awsoooooomeee! Ha-ha, TV. How cute.

    Stop showing me ads for tampons, damnit. I'M A MAAAANNNNN!!!!!!

  54. U+01D0 LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH CARON by tepples · · Score: 1

    The closest thing in Unicode to an i with heart is U+01D0 "LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH CARON", which appears not to be on Slashdot's code point whitelist.

  55. It's not on the whitelist (5:erocS) by tepples · · Score: 1

    It wouldn't accept the HTML code for it either. Stripped it right out.

    Slashdot instituted a code point whitelist after the erocS incident.

    1. Re:It's not on the whitelist (5:erocS) by ChrisMP1 · · Score: 1

      Ah, thank you. Didn't know about that. Still doesn't explain why I can't just put a (whitelisted) Unicode character into the text box though... It reads the UTF-8 as ASCII.

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  56. Re:Linguists Need to Visit a Starbucks Occasionall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Aren't Mac users a subset of women?

  57. I'm a girl by Meskarune · · Score: 1

    LOL. This doesn't surprise me at all. I totally fit the bill. I use emotes and abbreviations ALL the time. Maybe I should stop just so I don't perpetuate gender stereotypes

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    1. Re:I'm a girl by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      LOL. This doesn't surprise me at all. I totally fit the bill. I use emotes and abbreviations ALL the time. Maybe I should stop just so I don't perpetuate gender stereotypes

      Don't worry, there are plenty of middle-aged white men in Ohio who will perpetuate stereotypes for you. ;)

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  58. It can be fooled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have taken a number of these "are you male or female" tests over the years, most of which consisted of analyzing paragraphs (at least) of writing. When I tried to write like a stereotypical man, they identified me as male. When I tried to write as a stereotypical female, they identified me as female. When I wrote in my normal style, they would usually identify me as male, but with a pretty low degree of certainty.

    It isn't difficult to "write like a woman" if you have a rudimentary knowledge of how men and women in general use English differently.

  59. Number 1 Clue by Greyfox · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's pretty easy to tell if she often tweets about her penis.

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    1. Re:Number 1 Clue by strikethree · · Score: 1

      It's pretty easy to tell if she often tweets about her penis.

      You are clearly NOT married. :)

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    2. Re:Number 1 Clue by Zilthy · · Score: 1

      And that would indicate sex, not gender, which are two very different things. (Although they are often used interchangeably, it is not altogether accurate)

  60. Yeah, but can it tell the difference... by cbybear · · Score: 1

    between a gay man and a woman. I happen to use lot of exclamation points and gooey terms in my texts!!!

    XXXOOO,

    --kev

  61. What about effeminate males? by nbetcher · · Score: 1

    What does the researcher's research say about effeminate males? Or males that are even slightly more in touch with their emotions (which does not equate to being homosexual as I'm sure many will immediately ponder)? Stereotyping... geeze. It's the 21st century! :)

    1. Re:What about effeminate males? by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      It doesn't say anything about them, nor is that relevant to the researcher's research. It's also not stereotyping to study population differences. It's only stereotyping when you then expect an individual to conform to the results. (The headline, alas, does the latter -- the researcher would say this headline is bullshit just as much as you do.)

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    2. Re:What about effeminate males? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      the researcher would say this headline is [bullshit|cowpoo] just as much as you do

      Degenderized that for you.

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  62. Identify gender 65.9% of the time. Right. by Animats · · Score: 1

    program could correctly identify gender 65.9% of the time.

    Vs. 50% for random?

    1. Re:Identify gender 65.9% of the time. Right. by bfandreas · · Score: 1

      Based on only 140 characters. That's impressive.

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    2. Re:Identify gender 65.9% of the time. Right. by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      Vs 59% for random.

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  63. Insensitive clods! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Hey, thanks a lot, you insensitive clods! I was in a great, loving, completely hot relationship with a lesbian, and now she's dumped me.

  64. Waste of taxpayer money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you RTFA, you'll see this, and instantly doubt the article, given that they had more females than males as the sample.
    http://images.fastcompany.com/upload/a_onadate.png

  65. Gays more likely to be gender non-conforming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did they actually study gay women versus straight men? Lesbians are 3 times more likely to be gender non-conforming than straight women.

  66. I think you mean "Feminine protection" by Kittenman · · Score: 1

    Leading to the oblig. 'Bloom County' http://www.gocomics.com/bloomcounty/1988/07/07/

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  67. one gender drops what the other uses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "used more often by women including love, ha-ha, cute, omg, yay, hahaha, happy, girl, hair, lol, hubby, and chocolate."

    Interesting that males would drop behaviours that are now "female" despite being the originators of the behaviours.
    Many of those phrases started when computing was almost exclusively male.
    I remember seeing a stat on TV in the BBS (bulletin board) days about how computer users at that time were 96% male. Yet emoticons (smiley's) were used all the time, as was lol, omg, hahaha and exclamation points. Although "hahaha" often took the form of "Muhahaha".
    "girl" and "omg" could be used together as well - "OMG! there's a girl on the board..."
    And the phrase "press ctrl-alt-delete to continue" was actually a prank?
    Ok, enough reminiscing. :)

  68. article misses point entierly! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    first their not linguist they are computer scientists using data mining to obtain a result. the input data just happens to be english haha.

    second, the impressive part is the fact that they found a way to train their classifier on all 3,280,532 traing tweets on a single computer in around seven minutes!

    while the actual male/female classifier may not be hugely useful this process could be used to build other classifiers quickly and then update them as new information appears. :)

  69. pseudo-science... by Antonovich · · Score: 1

    Linguistics, and socio-linguistics in particular, is one of those fields where "researchers" almost NEVER do true science. I studied it for 4 years and ended up so disgusted that I switched to computing. You can do almost anything with statistics and when one of the basic premises of the discipline is that "exceptions are a normal and expected situation", it's party time. So you can invent a "scientific generalisation", which you will codify with formulae and everything, and then when presented with obvious and repeated examples disproving the "scientific theory" being proposed, you simply say "the exception that confirms the rule". I LITERALLY had a full university professor bust that one out in my presence... It is anti-science. "Linguists" are charlatans. The only truly great linguist is Roy Harris - former chair of Linguistics at Oxford. He was the first chair, and know what he wanted to do at the end of his tenure? Abolish it!

  70. Not at all impressive performance by theNAM666 · · Score: 1

    72.8% of tweets are sent by men. Simply identifying all tweets from a sample as 'male' would yield a higher success rate.

    1. Re:Not at all impressive performance by GradiusCVK · · Score: 1

      Simply identifying all tweets from a sample as 'male' would yield a higher success rate.

      Great contribution, but how do you propose you might improve performance beyond 72.8%?

      See Figure 9, "Performance increases with more tweets from target use." Guess they thought about this for more than 5 seconds.

    2. Re:Not at all impressive performance by theNAM666 · · Score: 1

      Yes, obviously, they did think about this for more that 5 seconds :), and perhaps yielded interesting results about linguistic differences (though one would have to look at and think about their methods, for more than 5 seconds, to see if this is more than self-confirming prophecy).

      My offhand comment is that, in terms of p factor etc, depending on how you measure it, their methods may not be all that valid -- though I'm not claiming that they are not. Without looking at the details, (ie, maybe they have), they should perform some in-depth regression analysis to see if there are other, more effective groupings than male/female, to explain these differences.

      For instance, many of the indicators they use (emoticons, !!!) are quite common and typical of the early-ish internet; they're simply conventions, perhaps effective communications strategies, and I certainly knew/know many males who used them. Perhaps all that's being measured here, is that in the twitter sample, females adapt or have adapted to these conventions "faster." This then becomes a "local" observance more than a general one.

      As background, there is always Stephen Jay Gould's "The Mismeasure of Man" and "Wonderful Life," both of which are both nuanced and at the same time well-written expositions of the problems, for "general audiences."

      FWIW, I haven't looked at the study yet, and it may not make the generalization errors that the post seems to make.

    3. Re:Not at all impressive performance by GradiusCVK · · Score: 1

      I also haven't looked at the study in detail, but I agree that there are certainly a lot of people who don't fit the generalizations one might conclude from the article and summary (which are both perfect examples of scientific reporting - i.e. they are shit). For example, I (over)use emoticons and exclamation points myself, depending on the tone I'm trying to convey, and how important I feel it is to get the tone right. Maybe it is a "feminine" trait to care about tone and trying to express it clearly, but obviously that doesn't require someone with that trait to be female. Don't conflate statistical averages (i.e. more women exhibit feminine traits than men, hence their designation as feminine) with absolute accuracy in judging an individual (i.e. because a person exhibits feminine traits she must be a woman). The former is useful when trying to target ads to millions of people and hoping to improve your click-through rate, but the latter is socially dangerous.

      You do raise some interesting points about whether their model would be stable over time - for example, perhaps women are just early adopters w.r.t. determining how to express tone in tweets via emoticons, and stupid men will eventually figure it out and use it as well, destroying the predictive capability of that particular feature of their model. On the other hand, it would seem they determined their features automatically via data mining of gender-tagged data, so presumably they can continue to feed new gender-tagged data to their system to evolve the model to handle shifts in writing style over time, e.g. lowering the weight of the emoticon feature as men use it more and discovering a new feature to replace it.

  71. let's see how many people get the reference by superwiz · · Score: 1

    love, ha-ha, cute, omg, yay, hahaha, happy, girl, hair, lol, hubby, and chocolate

    how about "your back is all white" and "don't teach me how to live?"

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  72. Am I the only one who noticed this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Am I the only one who noticed that in the Atlantic Wire article linked in the post, there are the tables listing various things men and women are more likely to say? Women includes a pile of things like "cute, omg, hair, shopping, chocolate, or sigh" and the only thing listed under men is "http" and "google".

    If that chart is to be believed, all of the men on Twitter are actually just URL fields masquerading as people.

    What?

    1. Re:Am I the only one who noticed this? by Xemu · · Score: 1

      If that chart is to be believed, all of the men on Twitter are actually just URL fields masquerading as people.

      Could very well be the truth. Maybe they are detecting spam bots, not men.

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  73. This sort of thing never works. by rebelwarlock · · Score: 1

    I've tested these things on my own writing, and they seem to be unsure of my gender. The same analyzer will report different genders on different articles, even though they were all written by me, within a couple of months of each other. Even when they're right, they claim to only be about 50-60 percent sure of my gender. I'm male, if that makes a difference. These analyzers seem to think it doesn't.

  74. Re:Linguists Need to Visit a Starbucks Occasionall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The mere fact of a tweet containing an exclamation mark or a smiley face meant that odds were a woman was tweeting

    or a Mac user.

    Come on, we all know that they have female brain structures

  75. Obligatory Weird Al reference by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

    "I only watched "Will And Grace" one time one day
    Wish I hadn't 'cause TiVo now thinks I'm gay"
    - Couch Potato

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  76. Happened on IRC all the time... by SwedishChef · · Score: 1

    On the old Galaxynet IRC network a middle-aged man impersonated a young girl for at least half a decade and managed to get promoted to IRCop on several servers. "Kimba" presented "herself" as a teen-age girl who had a history of being sexually molested. Her persona was bolstered by the job the real person had which was as a night security guard in a bank in Perth, Australia. By virtue of his job he could manage to be on-line a great deal of the time. "Kimba" had a succession of male "boyfriends" over the years but all of them carefully chosen for their geographic locations: e.g.: not close to Perth, Australia.

    Some guessed that Kimba was a guy but no one knew for sure until "she" confessed to me and explained how the impersonation was done, described "her" real life (married with children) and then quit IRC for (as far as I know) good.

    I must admit that some things "she" said made me wonder. One time "she" claimed that she had to take a quick bathroom break because it was "poking its head out, mate". I thought to myself that those Australian girls were certainly earthy. LOL. I bet that semantics program would have caught "her" out in a few minutes.

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  77. Re:Linguists Need to Visit a Starbucks Occasionall by mjwx · · Score: 1

    Aren't Mac users a subset of women?

    Girly men are not women no matter how effeminate.

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  78. Offensive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The article and the research it is based on, as well as the comments here, are obnoxiously sexist and heteronormative. Not cool.
    And the "research" is worthless, probably being quite offensive to a number of people if applied to any real-world use, like advertising.

    1. Re:Offensive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article and the research it is based on, as well as the comments here, are obnoxiously sexist and heteronormative. Not cool.

      The lesbonormative is uncool. It's awful that homosexuals today are considering the majority of the population, the straight, to have flawed instincts and say it's "not cool" to be straight. It's damn right it's not cool. It's who we are, and don't mess with our sexuality.

      Straight pride FTW.

  79. Re:Linguists Need to Visit a Starbucks Occasionall by houghi · · Score: 1

    I am not a MAC user! ;-)

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  80. The Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where the men are men and the women are too.

  81. Slashdot measurements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Excellent! The time for an exact measure of gayness of a post is near.

  82. Linguists Out Men Impersonating Women by PrinceOfDorkness · · Score: 1

    Great:( I'm a guy, not trying to impersonate a woman, but I profile like one.

  83. Proper English by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    I wonder how it works if you just write in normal English, with no stupid slang?

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  84. Re:Linguists Need to Visit a Starbucks Occasionall by uncanny · · Score: 1

    yeah well, we dont want them either.

  85. I predict with more than 99% certainty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that the poster was a male geek, who's closest exposure to "women" is via twitter. Actually, I expand that prediction to 99% of the people reading this comment! :-)

    3 Ya all!

  86. What we need now by prefec2 · · Score: 1

    To elude that evil detector of gender, we need a tool which obfuscates male or female posts in a way that it looks like the opposite sex. ha-ha :)

  87. Forged writing styles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And what about someone now using this data to adjust their writing style, if they're purposely out to fake their gender? I imagine the effectiveness of such a strategy would fall away over longer and longer pieces of text. It would be interesting to know how hard it is for men to forge a feminine writing style and vice versa. Also interesting would be the effects of sexuality as opposed to just gender on writing style.

  88. Surprise! "Out" is a very old transitive verb by brokeninside · · Score: 1

    It has been in documented use in the English language since the 14th century and most probably was in use prior to that because "out" is the equivalent of in Old English utian which was often used as a transitive verb.

  89. i always think... by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    I always think of this, i never assume that this person on the other end of a virtual conversation is of either sex. This keeps me out of trouble and avoiding doing things on the internet i would certainly regret

  90. It's even worse by Moraelin · · Score: 2

    It's even worse. The initial assumption was that 55% of the users were female, so basically a hardcoded 'return "female";' would already guess with 55% accuracy. Bumping it to 65% is actually only a 10% bump.

    But that assumption is purely based on what people declared on their account on Twitter, i.e., basically trusting that everyone who labeled themselves "female" is actually female, and everyone who labeled themselves "male" is actually male. The caveat there needs not be detailed.

    Basically, they have 100,654 female users, 83,075 male users,and 53817 unspecified. Taking the known ones, there are 183,729 users of known gender. (With the caveat in the previous paragraph.) Out of that, the probability to be a female is about 55%.

    BUT if they guess at individual tweets, then it's pretty much the number of tweets from each that counts. There were 2,429,621 tweets from (self-labeled) females, vs 1,672,813 tweets from (self-labeled) males, and unspecified. Total 4,102,434 tweets with "known" gender. Out of those the tweets from "known" females were a bit over 59%.

    So basically an algorithm which takes one tweet and just does a hard-coded 'return "female";' would be right over 59% of the time. Bumping that to 65% is such a ridiculously marginal effect that, really, it's funny.

    And actually what worries me is not as much the research grants, as the hordes of morons who don't understand the ecological fallacy (extrapolations from whole population "ecological" studies to individuals are stupid) and who'll take this as some infallible identi-kit or worse, as a scientific justification for sexism. Even the summary makes strong claims of outing males pretending to be females, or that flat-out "women use language differently than men". No they don't really. The difference is marginal, and there is massive overlap between any word's usage by males and females.

    E.g., one of the "strongly male indicators" they churned is using the word http (presumably tweeting a link?) where actually any given instance of it, the probability of the user to be female is 50.6%, according to their table. So it's really a 50-50 split on the use of this word. One of the few actual strongly male words was Google, but even there it's only a 2/3 and 1/3 split between male and female. Conversely strongly female stuff like mentioning "love" was basically still a 2/3 and 1/3 split in the other direction.

    But not that it will stop morons from taking it as some scientifically proven rule that women talk about love and cute stuff, and guys talk about http and Google. And that, for example, therefore we need to hire less women in IT.

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  91. useless by CSMoran · · Score: 1

    I can't see how a detector like this would 'out' somebody impersonating a female. If it sees "my wife", it takes it as a very strong hint that the poster is not a female. But wouldn't someone impersonating a female rather say "my boyfriend" or "my period is due" or some other stereotypically feminine things rather than "my nigga" or "my balls itch"?

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  92. Paired meridianic spheroids bathed in electrolytes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bollocks!

  93. Impressive? by metacell · · Score: 1

    If they included all the adolescent twitters in the statistics, it's not so impressive the software can tell who's female...

    "OMFG! LoL! ha ha! ur so qt!"

  94. I can guess better than that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Without even analyzing the text, I could just say each time it's a male and probably have a better success rate than 65.9

  95. Not actually that hard understand. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "love, ha-ha, cute, omg, yay, hahaha, happy, girl, hair, lol, hubby, and chocolate"

    Yep, that about sums it up. See? Women aren't so complicated.

  96. Why I hate targeted advertisements... by SoTerrified · · Score: 1

    Because I keep getting 'identified' as female. It's really annoying when I browse a site and obviously female oriented ads keep popping up. Google identifies me as female and that made no sense to me. 95% of my browsing is to IT/Tech/Computer sites, why would that identify as female? But now I realize they must be identifying me via my gmail account and other written text. The confusion likely stems from the fact I'm an exceptionally verbose male, predisposed towards descriptive language and precise grammar. That and I've always used emoticons as part of my attempt to overcome the lack of expression available in written text.

    I would bet any amount my twitter also identifies as female. My wife is likely going to find this very amusing...

  97. Re:gender-altering scripts. by DocSavage64109 · · Score: 1

    Now that's a creepy phone app just waiting to be made.

  98. Re:Linguists Need to Visit a Starbucks Occasionall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is old news. Internet lore tells us that bitches love smiley faces.

  99. Accurate by ZombieBraintrust · · Score: 2

    Don't most people pretending to be female on twitter fill their tweets with stereotypical female language? This would only catch pretenders who are really lazy and incompatent.

  100. 0.85 infinites more efficient per horsepower-mile. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Is it? Guessing is only 15% less accurate, but needs infinite% less input data.

    --
    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  101. lol! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    omg, my dick just shrunk :)

  102. Nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been doing this on IRC for over a decade. Can usually get within 10 years on age, too. It's not that hard.

  103. well.. talk about.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    talk about cunning linguists. Amazing!

  104. the perfect girly Tweet by KernelMuncher · · Score: 1

    omg I'm a happy, girl :) LOL I love my cute hubby's chocolate hair. yay ! hahaha

  105. You took linguistics? by brokeninside · · Score: 1

    The word "out" has been documented as being used as a transitive verb since the 14th century. Moreover, it is a derivative of a Middle English word (owte) which is derived from an Old English word (utian) which is also well documented as being used as a transitive verb.

    It's oldest meaning as a verb? To reveal something previously hidden.

    So "outing" someone is only a very slight adaption of a very old usage.

    Good grief, what do they teach kids at the university these days?!

    1. Re:You took linguistics? by metacell · · Score: 1

      Gender theory.

  106. There, FTFY by brokeninside · · Score: 1

    Ultracrepidasts "know" that "out" is not a verb.

    Don't believe me? Go look the OED entry for "out" as a transitive verb. Look at the historical section. Notice the entries spanning from the 14th century up through to the present day.

  107. Re:Linguists Need to Visit a Starbucks Occasionall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ;-) I use lots of those!

    I must have been wrong my whole life, I must be a female!

    Except, I have been equipped with a penis and testicles since birth, not a vaga and womb, and I'm very safe in my identity as a male. Okey, I like poetry, I like love novels and movies, I like making pretty paintings, I love to play with and take care of kids, I love snuggling more then banging (except when the the my musth sets in when a female ovulate and start to smell that way), but since I have been a very muscular and large male specimen all my life, nobody have ever mistaken me to be "girly".

    Perhaps I use smilies and exclamation marks because:
    - I'm not a native English user, I use the smilies and exclamation marks because they may compensate for any misinterpretations caused by my lack of English skills.
    - I started using internet in 1995, when smilies was very popular (but almost all people connected to internet was male)
    - I'm not an US-American, I don't have the typical US male insecurities, I don't need to play the role of a "grown up" macho man all the time. I can be childish, I'm allowed to use smilies. I'm allowed to show my feelings, I can use exclamation marks.