Most of the comments I've been reading have been going off about administration and configuration. These are people going for a developer certification. That means they probably already know a lot about programming, and they probably already know a fair bit about programming under Windows
Cool. I actually found someone that read more than just the headline. The only MCSDs that I know are top notch programmers that primarily work in C++ under windows
& unix. I don't know about the cats that
will be in his class, but if they are anything like
the guys I know and he teaches it like he plans (ala linux for dummies), he will get roasted.
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""" I want to be treated like a mature professional doing a professional job. """
I agree with your comments. The same people that gripe about mgt. not listening to them are usually the same ones double fisted with nerf guns. They just don't get it.
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"""If this means nurf gun wars then that is what you do. If this means ping pong tables at work then that is what you do"""
Please for the love of god go somewhere else and do it. I'm trying to work and I need quiet. If I'm thinking about a problem, I need your distractions about as much as I need daily status meetings. Wait, that's not exactly fair, at least I would get something out of the status meetings.
"I know this is harsh, but I have the HR screeners send any resumes highlighting certifications rather than work experience right to the folks who hire for the help desk."
So someone has a c.s. degree, 5+ yrs exp., an MCSE that he happens to highlight, and you've already lost him because of the h.r. screener.
Not if its employment compensation and you are an employee, in which case you go fill out one of
these and then watch
the irs do a little shafting on your employer.
That's an interesting idea, but maybe he should
be paid the median. Otherwise he could move
a billionaire into the same district with the
peasants and make out like a bandit.
I think it comes down to the specific situation.
If you are writing the latest star trek game,
then spock ears are fine.
If you are writing
banking software, then they probably aren't.
If you want to be taken seriously as a profession,
then I believe you have to act like the other
professions.
This is what I mean by professionalism:
Redefining Professionalism for Software Engineers
>Bottom line is there is a certain personality
>type that meshes well with being a programmer
>(about 90% of us are XNXP on the meyers-briggs). >Businesses can either accomodate the quirks that
>go along with it or not. Sure, it is
>inconvenient for them to do so, but they get >increased productivity
Its called personal management. You can either
develop it, or 'Business' will find someone that
already has it.
> What in the world are you doing bringing
> customers in front of developers?
Believe it or not, some clients actually like
to tour the place where they are getting ready
to spend [thousands|tens of thousands|millions]
of dollars. Yes, that means the development
area too.
> Let's pretend now that they didn't exist at
> your company - oops, now you have no job. I'm
> not saying that other people at the company
> aren't important, but let's not forget who is
> actually CREATING PRODUCT here.
Wow. At least you're up front with your elitism.
Truth is most developers aren't creating a
product, at least not in a retail sense.
But even of those that are, they are replaceable.
I think the exception might be a coder who is
also the creative force behind a company.
Carmack comes to mind. But this isn't the case
for most developers. Most developers work in
a corporate IT shop. Their work is no more
important than the accountants, engineers,
customer service, sales & marketing. Without
all of these functions, you cannot have a
successful business. In fact, I would hire a
standout salesman over a standout programmer any
day. If you have a good idea and good product
management, any group of decent programmers
can deliver it. Even if you don't, a good
salesman can still sell shit to a pig farmer.
God I hate to be a me too'er, but right on brother.
This profession needs to grow up.
Substitute 'accountant' or 'civil engineer'
for 'programmer' in some of these threads
and you can see how ridiculous some of these
people are.
"A set of technologies that enables software
components to interact with one another in a
networked environment, regardless of the language
in which they were created. ActiveX(TM) is built on
the Component Object Model (COM). "
Quite a step from "automatically downloading and
executing arbitrary programs" don't you think?
More specifically:
"An ActiveX control is essentially a simple OLE
object that supports the IUnknown interface. It
usually supports many more interfaces in order to
offer functionality, but all additional
interfaces can be viewed as optional and, as
such, a container should not rely on any
additional interfaces being supported. "
Slashdot Mirror
Or did somebody change the date for the monthly /.?
'which cert' question on
I think he is referring to the fact that LISP
really blurs the line b/w code & data?
That's admirable. If the salary wasn't such an
abomination I would like to try it. Maybe once
I have a sizable nest egg....
Cool. I actually found someone that read more than just the headline.
The only MCSDs that I know are top notch programmers that primarily work in C++ under windows & unix. I don't know about the cats that will be in his class, but if they are anything like the guys I know and he teaches it like he plans (ala linux for dummies), he will get roasted.
new coke
""" I want to be treated like a mature professional doing a professional job.
"""
I agree with your comments. The same people that
gripe about mgt. not listening to them are
usually the same ones double fisted with nerf
guns. They just don't get it.
"""If this means nurf gun wars then that is what you do. If this means ping pong tables at work then that is what you do"""
Please for the love of god go somewhere else and
do it. I'm trying to work and I need quiet.
If I'm thinking about a problem, I need your
distractions about as much as I need daily status
meetings. Wait, that's not exactly fair, at
least I would get something out of the status
meetings.
"That means there isn't much the company can do"
I'm pretty sure they could yank the code.
The employee didn't have a right to release it.
(not that I agree with the company)
"I know this is harsh, but I have the HR screeners send any resumes highlighting
certifications rather than work experience right to the folks who hire for the help desk."
So someone has a c.s. degree, 5+ yrs exp.,
an MCSE that he happens to highlight, and you've
already lost him because of the h.r. screener.
Fscking brilliant.
"So if this is truly "systems" software, I've got a much harder argument"
- 20 .html
No you don't. See the link below for one idea.
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/lisp-faq/part2/section
> So what's keeping us?
Industry is slow to adopt and most coders are
not trained as computer scientists.
The majority of 'new' technology we use today has
been around in the academic world for decades.
"refuting your assertion that all garbage collected code is safe"
That wasn't his assertion. He said that this
_specific_ error would not have occured in
a gc language. Which is true.
Not if its employment compensation and you are an employee,
in which case you go fill out one of these
and then watch the irs do a little shafting on your employer.
Revenue Ruling 87-41
Go directly to Jail; do not pass GO...do not collect $200.
That's an interesting idea, but maybe he should
be paid the median. Otherwise he could move
a billionaire into the same district with the
peasants and make out like a bandit.
"When the government gets out of the tax-regulate-and-subsidize business, and sticks to preventing and punishing theft, injury, etc., "
Where will the gov get the money that it needs
to prevent theft, injury, etc. if not from taxes?
Because the majority of
and the head sheep are clueless?
Flame away.
I think it comes down to the specific situation.
If you are writing the latest star trek game, then spock ears are fine.
If you are writing banking software, then they probably aren't.
If you want to be taken seriously as a profession, then I believe you have to act like the other professions.
This is what I mean by professionalism:
Redefining Professionalism for Software Engineers
> Otherwise, all you end up with is a nice shiny
> beautiful candy shell with a bunch of crap for > guts (Windows 95 comes to mind).
Yeah. Thank god I don't own the windows line.
I guess I'd be shit out of luck, so to speak.
I think his rant is that programmers should
have at least a modicum amount of professionalism.
> I guess you've never done much serious coding.
> Sugar and Caffeine increase productivity.
Caffeine 'reduces productivity'
>Bottom line is there is a certain personality
>type that meshes well with being a programmer
>(about 90% of us are XNXP on the meyers-briggs). >Businesses can either accomodate the quirks that
>go along with it or not. Sure, it is
>inconvenient for them to do so, but they get >increased productivity
Its called personal management. You can either
develop it, or 'Business' will find someone that
already has it.
> What in the world are you doing bringing
> customers in front of developers?
Believe it or not, some clients actually like
to tour the place where they are getting ready
to spend [thousands|tens of thousands|millions]
of dollars. Yes, that means the development
area too.
> Let's pretend now that they didn't exist at
> your company - oops, now you have no job. I'm
> not saying that other people at the company
> aren't important, but let's not forget who is
> actually CREATING PRODUCT here.
Wow. At least you're up front with your elitism.
Truth is most developers aren't creating a
product, at least not in a retail sense.
But even of those that are, they are replaceable.
I think the exception might be a coder who is
also the creative force behind a company.
Carmack comes to mind. But this isn't the case
for most developers. Most developers work in
a corporate IT shop. Their work is no more
important than the accountants, engineers,
customer service, sales & marketing. Without
all of these functions, you cannot have a
successful business. In fact, I would hire a
standout salesman over a standout programmer any
day. If you have a good idea and good product
management, any group of decent programmers
can deliver it. Even if you don't, a good
salesman can still sell shit to a pig farmer.
God I hate to be a me too'er, but right on brother.
This profession needs to grow up.
Substitute 'accountant' or 'civil engineer'
for 'programmer' in some of these threads
and you can see how ridiculous some of these
people are.
You've been taken in by the anit MS FUD.
Here is the most recent definition from MSDN:
"A set of technologies that enables software
components to interact with one another in a
networked environment, regardless of the language
in which they were created. ActiveX(TM) is built on
the Component Object Model (COM). "
Quite a step from "automatically downloading and
executing arbitrary programs" don't you think?
More specifically:
"An ActiveX control is essentially a simple OLE
object that supports the IUnknown interface. It
usually supports many more interfaces in order to
offer functionality, but all additional
interfaces can be viewed as optional and, as
such, a container should not rely on any
additional interfaces being supported. "