No, your Aunt Edna's ISP won't be blacklisted because a spammer sent mail from there... unless they let the spammer keep spamming. If the spam stops, the listing goes away. Period.
MAPS has enough trouble without clueless people spreading lies about them.
Peacefire is not blocked. A netblock that peacefire *CHOOSES* to remain in is blocked. The netblock is blocked because Media3 are spammer-friendly.
Yes, if you give money to companies that support spam, you can get blocked by blacklists. Just like people on AGIS used to get blocked, before AGIS was destroyed.
Netblocks only get listed when the site has a *serious* attitude problem. If you want to associate your network packets with scum, well, you lose.
I just don't see the big deal. Peacefire are aware that they could get hosting elsewhere; *lots* of people have written to offer them help with this, and hosting off of Media3's netblock. They're staying there to be stubborn. It's their own damn fault.
I lost all respect for unions the day the first union member shot someone for working. The concept is morally bankrupt; modern unions exist to provide jobs for modern union organizers, not to protect the needs of workers. Over time, union dues go up, and the benefits provided go down.
I am good at what I do, what I do is likely to remain in demand, and I am willing to invest substantially in having a variety of useful skills, and could switch careers if I had to. I don't need a union to "protect" me, and I'd rather have my own choices about how to spend my money. I'm good at what I do; I'd rather have the chance of getting a raise based on my *personal* achievements, than depend on the average performance of a whole lot of people.
My mom is a union worker. Not by choice, but by force; her paper has to run all jobs that way. She gets the same raise as everyone else, no matter how hard she works. No chance to shine, no chance to exceed. That's not what I want.
Don't run Linux because Linux is cool. On a handheld, you want the most stable and mature software *for your tasks* that is available - which will almost certainly be Palm or Psion. WinCE is useless, and Linux isn't very big on small-footprint task management and scheduling software.
I have a Handspring Visor, and the fact is, it's a much better handheld than a Unix machine would be. I have brightly colored to-do list management, I have appointments and alarms, and the interface is designed to be driven from a couple of buttons and a stylus, not a mouse and a keyboard. It works better.
Amazon spammed, and we said "they're scum", and everyone said "no, it's just a misunderstanding, and you can always opt out".
Amazon filed frivolous patent lawsuits, and we said "they're scum", and everyone said "no, it's a purely defensive patent, that's why they need to take it to court to prevent people from doing something similar".
Amazon invented "purchase circles", and everyone defended them.
Have you guys gotten the clue yet? Spammers always lie. They always cheat. They always steal. They don't change their colors. In general, they don't reform. When you know that a company is willing to send mail to people who never asked for it, you know that, when times are tough, that company will sell your name, your credit card number, whatever they can *get*, to try to stay in business.
So how about, next time, when someone points out that a geek-darling company spams, bite back the instinctive response of "you can just opt out", and remember that *YOU*, the people who defended Amazon for so long, are the people who showed them that the geek community didn't really care about privacy, and today, no, you can't opt out.
It would be a perfectly reasonable license for proprietary code, but it's not free software, because free software does not restrict use. Duh. Why are you even posting this crap? Surely, there's real stuff to talk about...
So, once upon a time, it occurred to me that I know that Johnny Cash dresses in black, but I don't know *why*.
So I tried to find out.
I found a few dozen web sites devoted to "the man in black", but not a single one that explains when or why he picked up this particular quirk. Maybe it's out there, but it's too hard for a search engine to find.
First, have you signed anything saying, for instance, that work related to things the company does becomes theirs? That would figure prominently. If you haven't, come to the company and explain that you've been doing a project very similar to this on your own time, tell them how long it took, and suggest that, in all probability, the best deal would be for them to license it from you at a reasonable rate. Don't get greedy, and if it's enough cheaper and faster than development costs would have been, they may be pretty happy.
I have been trying to get Corel to stop sending me their unsolicited newsletter. Looks like I haven't quite gotten through to them. Amusingly, postmaster@corel.com bounces, and the address they suggest you write to if you feel this is in error *also* bounces.
Did anyone else notice the interesting quirk? This is very similar to the study (with Barbie dolls) done that "showed" that segregation was causing racism. I don't know if that conclusion follows from that data, although I tend to accept the conclusion anyway... but it's interesting that there was another study involving black Barbie dolls.
A lot of 133Mhz motherboards based on VIA claim to "support ECC"... but don't actually do any error checking or correction. I'm not sure where this came from; the VIA specs don't list ECC as a feature, but the ABit VP6 specs *say* the board supports ECC. It doesn't.
So, if you want a nice, stable system, be very wary.
EVERYTHING THAT IS CURRENTLY PUBLIC WILL REMAIN PUBLIC AND WILL BE RELEASED ON THE SAME SCHEDULE THAT IT ALWAYS HAS.
Certain information which is private *NOW* will be made available to people who have a plausible, legitimate, reason to want to have it *even sooner*. Access to the CVS tree, stuff like that. Stuff that *no one* gets right now on any kind of formal basis.
No one is talking about not releasing bug fixes in source, or not releasing bug announcements *exactly* when they are released now.
They have *always* waited, whenever possible, until a fix is known before releasing a bug discovered through auditing.
There's nothing, at all, worth complaining about here. This isn't "security through obscurity". This is "let's make the internal discussion about how to handle a bug a bit broader so that vendors who need to be involved early can do so".
The fact that this was needed to let average users get a list of relays uncontaminated with spite listings shows that, indeed, the griping was well-founded.
I'm glad ORBS is finally running a more responsible list.
This solves nothing; the majority of the cost is already paid by the time the end user's mail software sees the spam.
Why should we have the entire network paying to transmit millions of copies of messages if the entire point of this is to let everyone delete them? Why bother?
Care to document this? Find us an example of a system that is being blacklisted but has no spam problems. Media3 certainly ain't it; last I saw, they were hosting spammers, and as long as the spam wasn't sent over their network, they didn't care.
You seem to be unable to comprehend how this works. Your email wasn't spam. *SOME* email, that *WAS* spam, was being sent by your ISP, or was being sent by a spammer your ISP was hosting. As soon as your ISP stops hosting spammers, *poof*, you're off the list.
No, MAPS won't "get rid of spam". Not completely. What they will do is remind spam-friendly ISP's that this is a cooperative network.
BTW, you have shown yourself to be a *FUCKING MORON*. Anyone who has ever used the RBL can prove to you that they don't block domains, they block IP's. Hint: I use it, and the only thing I ever look up is an IP. It doesn't matter how many domains use that IP, or how many IP's a given domain uses; MAPS lists IP's.
Yes, Harris dropped their suit. They dropped it because they knew damn well they'd lose, because there were plenty of well-documented cases where they were, get this, spamming.
If you knew what you were talking about, if you didn't make gross technical errors, and if you could distinguish between cause and effect, you might be able to have a point. As is, you're not even close enough to reality to be "wrong"; you're just delusional.
This is just another misunderstanding of how the RBL works. The description given in this article contradicts the description in the ZDNet article, and neither is particularly accurate.
In the end, if you host spammers, and don't stop hosting them, you will eventually be blacklisted, and this will affect the connectivity of *all* of your customers. This is a feature. Don't like it? Switch to a network that isn't based on private funds and the assumption that, since I own this computer, I can decide what traffic it accepts, because until you get rid of that, there will always be blacklists.
The solution, and it's painfully easy, is to stop actively endorsing and supporting spammers. Poof! No problem.
Don't forget your external privacy policy. Remember, opt-in is the only fair solution.:)
As to an internal policy, I like the idea of limiting all intrusions to suspicion of illegal activity. Certainly, you should explicitly *exclude* from company interest anything people do on their own time. e.g., don't have a "drug policy". If someone's drug habit interferes with work, fire him for being a bad worker. If it doesn't interfere, what do you care?
Copying of windows had precisely no effect on anything. Having Windows come with everything is what made Windows big - that, and running DOS accounting software.
Several reasons. One is for the obvious reason that people do crossword puzzles; it's an interesting puzzle, and it's recreational.
Another is for the other reason that people do crossword puzzles; it is a way to exercise and stretch your use of a language, and that makes you better at using the language *even in non-obfuscated contexts*.
Another is that studying *why* bad code is hard to read helps you avoid the pitfalls that lead to it.
I'd rather type slower for twenty years, without serious pain, than type faster for five years, lose the use of my fingers, and be in excruciating pain.
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No, your Aunt Edna's ISP won't be blacklisted because a spammer sent mail from there... unless they let the spammer keep spamming. If the spam stops, the listing goes away. Period.
MAPS has enough trouble without clueless people spreading lies about them.
Peacefire is not blocked. A netblock that peacefire *CHOOSES* to remain in is blocked. The netblock is blocked because Media3 are spammer-friendly.
Yes, if you give money to companies that support spam, you can get blocked by blacklists. Just like people on AGIS used to get blocked, before AGIS was destroyed.
Netblocks only get listed when the site has a *serious* attitude problem. If you want to associate your network packets with scum, well, you lose.
I just don't see the big deal. Peacefire are aware that they could get hosting elsewhere; *lots* of people have written to offer them help with this, and hosting off of Media3's netblock. They're staying there to be stubborn. It's their own damn fault.
I lost all respect for unions the day the first union member shot someone for working. The concept is morally bankrupt; modern unions exist to provide jobs for modern union organizers, not to protect the needs of workers. Over time, union dues go up, and the benefits provided go down.
I am good at what I do, what I do is likely to remain in demand, and I am willing to invest substantially in having a variety of useful skills, and could switch careers if I had to. I don't need a union to "protect" me, and I'd rather have my own choices about how to spend my money. I'm good at what I do; I'd rather have the chance of getting a raise based on my *personal* achievements, than depend on the average performance of a whole lot of people.
My mom is a union worker. Not by choice, but by force; her paper has to run all jobs that way. She gets the same raise as everyone else, no matter how hard she works. No chance to shine, no chance to exceed. That's not what I want.
Don't run Linux because Linux is cool. On a handheld, you want the most stable and mature software *for your tasks* that is available - which will almost certainly be Palm or Psion. WinCE is useless, and Linux isn't very big on small-footprint task management and scheduling software.
I have a Handspring Visor, and the fact is, it's a much better handheld than a Unix machine would be. I have brightly colored to-do list management, I have appointments and alarms, and the interface is designed to be driven from a couple of buttons and a stylus, not a mouse and a keyboard. It works better.
Amazon spammed, and we said "they're scum", and everyone said "no, it's just a misunderstanding, and you can always opt out".
Amazon filed frivolous patent lawsuits, and we said "they're scum", and everyone said "no, it's a purely defensive patent, that's why they need to take it to court to prevent people from doing something similar".
Amazon invented "purchase circles", and everyone defended them.
Have you guys gotten the clue yet? Spammers always lie. They always cheat. They always steal. They don't change their colors. In general, they don't reform. When you know that a company is willing to send mail to people who never asked for it, you know that, when times are tough, that company will sell your name, your credit card number, whatever they can *get*, to try to stay in business.
So how about, next time, when someone points out that a geek-darling company spams, bite back the instinctive response of "you can just opt out", and remember that *YOU*, the people who defended Amazon for so long, are the people who showed them that the geek community didn't really care about privacy, and today, no, you can't opt out.
We told you so.
It would be a perfectly reasonable license for proprietary code, but it's not free software, because free software does not restrict use. Duh. Why are you even posting this crap? Surely, there's real stuff to talk about...
COM and DCOM? Unix has had pluggable components that worked well with each other for more than twenty years.
So, once upon a time, it occurred to me that I know that Johnny Cash dresses in black, but I don't know *why*.
So I tried to find out.
I found a few dozen web sites devoted to "the man in black", but not a single one that explains when or why he picked up this particular quirk. Maybe it's out there, but it's too hard for a search engine to find.
First, have you signed anything saying, for instance, that work related to things the company does becomes theirs? That would figure prominently. If you haven't, come to the company and explain that you've been doing a project very similar to this on your own time, tell them how long it took, and suggest that, in all probability, the best deal would be for them to license it from you at a reasonable rate. Don't get greedy, and if it's enough cheaper and faster than development costs would have been, they may be pretty happy.
I have been trying to get Corel to stop sending me their unsolicited newsletter. Looks like I haven't quite gotten through to them. Amusingly, postmaster@corel.com bounces, and the address they suggest you write to if you feel this is in error *also* bounces.
Did anyone else notice the interesting quirk? This is very similar to the study (with Barbie dolls) done that "showed" that segregation was causing racism. I don't know if that conclusion follows from that data, although I tend to accept the conclusion anyway... but it's interesting that there was another study involving black Barbie dolls.
Thanks! Good point. The KT series are often advertised as having ECC, but, looking at VIA's spec sheets, the KX actually has it.
A lot of 133Mhz motherboards based on VIA claim to "support ECC"... but don't actually do any error checking or correction. I'm not sure where this came from; the VIA specs don't list ECC as a feature, but the ABit VP6 specs *say* the board supports ECC. It doesn't.
So, if you want a nice, stable system, be very wary.
You are all *completely* missing the point.
EVERYTHING THAT IS CURRENTLY PUBLIC WILL REMAIN PUBLIC AND WILL BE RELEASED ON THE SAME SCHEDULE THAT IT ALWAYS HAS.
Certain information which is private *NOW* will be made available to people who have a plausible, legitimate, reason to want to have it *even sooner*. Access to the CVS tree, stuff like that. Stuff that *no one* gets right now on any kind of formal basis.
No one is talking about not releasing bug fixes in source, or not releasing bug announcements *exactly* when they are released now.
They have *always* waited, whenever possible, until a fix is known before releasing a bug discovered through auditing.
There's nothing, at all, worth complaining about here. This isn't "security through obscurity". This is "let's make the internal discussion about how to handle a bug a bit broader so that vendors who need to be involved early can do so".
The fact that this was needed to let average users get a list of relays uncontaminated with spite listings shows that, indeed, the griping was well-founded.
I'm glad ORBS is finally running a more responsible list.
This solves nothing; the majority of the cost is already paid by the time the end user's mail software sees the spam.
Why should we have the entire network paying to transmit millions of copies of messages if the entire point of this is to let everyone delete them? Why bother?
I think we let a couple of void main()'s through, but I don't know that we will next time; we may even just point it out in the rules.
Care to document this? Find us an example of a system that is being blacklisted but has no spam problems. Media3 certainly ain't it; last I saw, they were hosting spammers, and as long as the spam wasn't sent over their network, they didn't care.
You seem to be unable to comprehend how this works. Your email wasn't spam. *SOME* email, that *WAS* spam, was being sent by your ISP, or was being sent by a spammer your ISP was hosting. As soon as your ISP stops hosting spammers, *poof*, you're off the list.
No, MAPS won't "get rid of spam". Not completely. What they will do is remind spam-friendly ISP's that this is a cooperative network.
BTW, you have shown yourself to be a *FUCKING MORON*. Anyone who has ever used the RBL can prove to you that they don't block domains, they block IP's. Hint: I use it, and the only thing I ever look up is an IP. It doesn't matter how many domains use that IP, or how many IP's a given domain uses; MAPS lists IP's.
Yes, Harris dropped their suit. They dropped it because they knew damn well they'd lose, because there were plenty of well-documented cases where they were, get this, spamming.
If you knew what you were talking about, if you didn't make gross technical errors, and if you could distinguish between cause and effect, you might be able to have a point. As is, you're not even close enough to reality to be "wrong"; you're just delusional.
This is just another misunderstanding of how the RBL works. The description given in this article contradicts the description in the ZDNet article, and neither is particularly accurate.
In the end, if you host spammers, and don't stop hosting them, you will eventually be blacklisted, and this will affect the connectivity of *all* of your customers. This is a feature. Don't like it? Switch to a network that isn't based on private funds and the assumption that, since I own this computer, I can decide what traffic it accepts, because until you get rid of that, there will always be blacklists.
The solution, and it's painfully easy, is to stop actively endorsing and supporting spammers. Poof! No problem.
Don't forget your external privacy policy. Remember, opt-in is the only fair solution. :)
As to an internal policy, I like the idea of limiting all intrusions to suspicion of illegal activity. Certainly, you should explicitly *exclude* from company interest anything people do on their own time. e.g., don't have a "drug policy". If someone's drug habit interferes with work, fire him for being a bad worker. If it doesn't interfere, what do you care?
Copying of windows had precisely no effect on anything. Having Windows come with everything is what made Windows big - that, and running DOS accounting software.
Several reasons. One is for the obvious reason that people do crossword puzzles; it's an interesting puzzle, and it's recreational.
Another is for the other reason that people do crossword puzzles; it is a way to exercise and stretch your use of a language, and that makes you better at using the language *even in non-obfuscated contexts*.
Another is that studying *why* bad code is hard to read helps you avoid the pitfalls that lead to it.
In short, it's fun and educational.
Normally, the link is http://www.plethora.net/~seebs/faqs/hacker.html, but IBM just bought a copy, so it's currently sitting at http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/su-s e2.html.
(I enclose the old link in case this article survives past the 30-day exclusive publication period.)
You might also want to read the other side of it, the Manager FAQ. The URL will eventually be http://www.plethora.net/~seebs/faqs/manager.html, but IBM paid for the writing, so it's currently sitting at http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/su-s e.html.
I'd rather type slower for twenty years, without serious pain, than type faster for five years, lose the use of my fingers, and be in excruciating pain.
Ergonomics is more important than speed. Period.
Easy! Call one of them $Perl::Developer::David, and the other david.iso.
This will distinguish between perl coders and distro developers quite handily.