They have the same psychological impact, and the psychological impact is exactly zero. It's gory movies that (may) make me feel distressed (I don't even want to watch movies like Hostel and Saw).
But that is another matter entirely. You were talking about how quickly you can shoot players in the head. No matter how fast you can do it with a gamepad, you would be annihilated by mouse players.
You probably can't argue the inherent superiority of one over the other but you can certainly see how personal preference can enter into it. I grew up on mouse and keyboard control for shooters so it feels more natural.
It's not a matter of opinion. A gamepad simply cannot offer as much precision and speed as a mouse.
I have nothing against Judasim, like I have nothing Islam, but you cannot critisize Iran for being a theology and defend Isreal.
You can, since they are not the same thing. The religions couldn't be more different, and Iran's iron-fisted theocracy is not even remotely similiar to Israel being a Jewish state.
Isreal is the only nuclear power in the region and has shown time and again it has no respect for borders. More people die on Isreali roads than from rocket attacks, yet Isreal launches attrocities like "Operation Cast Lead".
You're right, they should have bombed all their cars and roads instead!
Wait, what?
And since when is it an "atrocity" that a country launches a military operation in response to an attack on their soil by a foreign power/terrorist organization?
Predictably enough, your post does not bother to mention anything about the way the Palestinians are acting. It's as if the Palestinians are pure as snow and the Israelis are just tormenting them for shits and giggles. Most of the problems between Israel and Palestine stem from the Palestinians. They have zero desire for any sort of peaceful co-existence with Jews or infidels in general (ah, the wonders of Islam), so any concession that Israel makes is pointless. And even if all your dreams came true and Israel was wiped out tomorrow, then what? You would just get a meaningless third world theocracy that has nothing to offer to anyone, except maybe suicide bombers. Does Palestine even have a culture, or something that doesn't revolve around buying guns and blowing shit up for Allah? Yeah, it's really for Israel to try to deal with people like that.
I am absolutely shocked that a pro-Israel post on Slashdot is modded as flamebait. Leftists engaging in underhanded and intellectually dishonest practises instead of responding with counter-arguments? Unthinkable!
What the fuck does this mean? Liberals keep calling everyone and everything "bigoted" without ever explaining what it means or why "this guy is bigoted" should be accepted as an actual argument.
Compare modern first-person/third-person shooters and compare them to the classics like Perfect Dark, The Legend of Zelda or Goldeneye. They were so much fun because handling was so easy, you could move, you could strafe, etc. It was so much better! And yet, as games become more realistic, all that happens is that your character becomes more sluggish and less powerful, harder to manipulate.
What does this even mean?
Seriously? It's gameplay that makes you come back, not reality. I wish we'd drop the reality of things and just make games fun.
"I wish they would stop making games that I don't like to play, even though I could simply choose not to play them." I'm also pretty sure that realism and fun are not mutually exclusive, and that realistic games are not a recent invention.
How sad it is that fans of science fiction, most of whom claim to be critical, forward thinkers can so quickly turn on one of their heroes. One or two quotes out of context measured against a life spent thinking about and imagining scientific possibilities.
How was it out of context? Is he not railing against the Internet?
Odds are Bradbury's books will be remembered long after the internet has faded to obscurity.
How do you propose that this will happen? Why would everyone willingly go back to a pre-Internet era?
* a library is a place where you find books 'by chance', standing near the book you are looking for, but it may still catch your eye. A google search only gives you whatever your search terms give you, anything 'like' the stuff you're looking for will not be there, if it doesn't match the keywords you're looking for.
I find new and unexpected stuff on the Internet all the time.
I'm actually a little surprised that Slashdot is as quiet as it is, considering the technical knowledge that it's known for and the many cries over censorship. This is censorship at its greatest, and no one here seems to want to lend a hand to the people who need some help getting around it.
You are joking, aren't you? When faced with something he does not agree with, the first and often only impulse of your average Slashdotter is to mod it down as quickly as possible. I once had an account effectively disabled through a massive surge of downmodding.
Most people will cry a river of tears about The Man keeping them down, yet have no problems with attempting to censor or destroy anything they don't like.
anyone who reaches for a gun to protect their rights has a visceral instinct to will to power that is the same psychological root of fascism.
Translation: I am huge fucking pussy who wouldn't even slap someone to save an innocent life.
Or maybe you're just a fascist yourself. Fascists don't like the idea of the people being able to defend themselves.
you use words to maintain a democracy. military muscle, used by anyone, is the roots of our downfall, not our salvation.
Yes, it sure was a terrible idea to use military force against Nazi Germany and North Korea.
Oh, wait.
guns have no valid purpose in civilian life. anyone who thinks guns do have a valid purpose in civilian life don't even understand what civilian life is
Cool story, bro. I had no idea that hunting, recreational shooting, self-defense, security and law enforcement are no longer parts of civilian life.
I try not to use the word art since it doesn't mean anything. It can't be defined.
Are there games that I believe match the quality of great (or even above average) movies in terms of intelligence, subtlety, emotional depth and so forth? I can't think of any. Portal is well made and entertaining, but it offers no insight and doesn't make me think of anything. At its core it isn't even that original, because we've surely seen many games where the lone protagonist struggles through a hostile environment with a voice guiding him/her (System Shock is an early example).
If you want a good story, why not read a book, or watch a film? These are better ways of experiencing a story.
A book is not a movie, a movie is not a book, and a video game is not a book or a movie. They are not interchangeable. A game, due to its interactive nature, allows for things that are impossible in books and movies. And why shouldn't people demand good storytelling in games? Is there some conceptual or practical reason as to why a game cannot be allowed to have good storytelling?
The problem is that stories and games are not equivalent. Games are sets of rules and so theoretically open-ended; soccer is played for a time-limit because if they didn't stop then the game would go forever. But a story has a beginning and an end, because that's what it is, the recollection of an event, and regardless of presentational conceits it's something that already happened.
What is your point? A game is only as open-ended as the developer wants it to be, and its story can be set in stone or it can be branching. What does the notion of games having rules even have to do with storytelling?
There are all sorts of tricks for sticking stories into games, but they're rarely anything more than a leveling mechanism, and at worst they're pretty obvious.
The game has a story or it doesn't. No "tricks" are required to accomplish this. And what are these "leveling mechanisms" and what do they have to do with the story?
I'd say the real step forward is not to create compelling stories, but to create compelling AI that can provide actual conflict for the player. Then you don't have to create your own story, because the story comes from the confluence of your actions and the actions of your foe. And this way the story isn't just something tacked on between skill sequences.
We already have this, it's called multiplayer. I'm sure FPS and MMORPG players have a lot of stories to share about their madcap adventures with other players. But this is hardly a subsitute for storytelling. Unless you are proposing that we create an AI so advanced that it can autonomously create interactive stories. In other words, an actual AI that acts like a dungeon master in a PnP RPG. And you want to wait possibly hundreds of years for this immense technological breakthrough because game developers just shouldn't bother to write good stories for some arbitrary reason.
The fact that Passage is hailed as art speaks volumes about the sorry state of the gaming world. Passage is so deliberately and self-consciously artsy that it was obviously intended to be a "LOOK VIDEO GAMES ARE DEEP AND MEANINFUL ART" type of statement. The "meaning" of the game, as explained on its website, is very trite and calculated. Then there's the fact that it completely fails as a game. Same deal with Gravitation.
But of course the community will latch onto something like Passage as a means of validating gaming as Serious Business.
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I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.
You are confusing theory (or rather, your personal interpretation of theory) with reality.
Which is something that Islam has been unable and unwilling to do, and there is at present no reason to think that that will ever change.
Sure, naturally. Anything that runs counter to leftist dogma is flamebaiting at best, trolling at worst.
They have the same psychological impact, and the psychological impact is exactly zero. It's gory movies that (may) make me feel distressed (I don't even want to watch movies like Hostel and Saw).
But that is another matter entirely. You were talking about how quickly you can shoot players in the head. No matter how fast you can do it with a gamepad, you would be annihilated by mouse players.
Pointing at a specific place on the screen (i.e. precision) is kind of important in a FPS game.
I wonder how well your gamepad "split second headshots" would stack up against Counter-Strike players on a PC.
It's not a matter of opinion. A gamepad simply cannot offer as much precision and speed as a mouse.
You can, since they are not the same thing. The religions couldn't be more different, and Iran's iron-fisted theocracy is not even remotely similiar to Israel being a Jewish state.
You're right, they should have bombed all their cars and roads instead!
Wait, what?
And since when is it an "atrocity" that a country launches a military operation in response to an attack on their soil by a foreign power/terrorist organization?
Predictably enough, your post does not bother to mention anything about the way the Palestinians are acting. It's as if the Palestinians are pure as snow and the Israelis are just tormenting them for shits and giggles. Most of the problems between Israel and Palestine stem from the Palestinians. They have zero desire for any sort of peaceful co-existence with Jews or infidels in general (ah, the wonders of Islam), so any concession that Israel makes is pointless. And even if all your dreams came true and Israel was wiped out tomorrow, then what? You would just get a meaningless third world theocracy that has nothing to offer to anyone, except maybe suicide bombers. Does Palestine even have a culture, or something that doesn't revolve around buying guns and blowing shit up for Allah? Yeah, it's really for Israel to try to deal with people like that.
I am absolutely shocked that a pro-Israel post on Slashdot is modded as flamebait. Leftists engaging in underhanded and intellectually dishonest practises instead of responding with counter-arguments? Unthinkable!
What the fuck does this mean? Liberals keep calling everyone and everything "bigoted" without ever explaining what it means or why "this guy is bigoted" should be accepted as an actual argument.
How exactly did this consitute flamebaiting? If you don't know what a flamebait is, don't bother being a moderator.
How was I supposed to know that it was a joke? Do you expect me to be omniscient?
What does this even mean?
"I wish they would stop making games that I don't like to play, even though I could simply choose not to play them." I'm also pretty sure that realism and fun are not mutually exclusive, and that realistic games are not a recent invention.
Uh... what? English is the predominant language in Canada.
How was it out of context? Is he not railing against the Internet?
How do you propose that this will happen? Why would everyone willingly go back to a pre-Internet era?
I find new and unexpected stuff on the Internet all the time.
You are joking, aren't you? When faced with something he does not agree with, the first and often only impulse of your average Slashdotter is to mod it down as quickly as possible. I once had an account effectively disabled through a massive surge of downmodding.
Most people will cry a river of tears about The Man keeping them down, yet have no problems with attempting to censor or destroy anything they don't like.
Translation: I am huge fucking pussy who wouldn't even slap someone to save an innocent life.
Or maybe you're just a fascist yourself. Fascists don't like the idea of the people being able to defend themselves.
Yes, it sure was a terrible idea to use military force against Nazi Germany and North Korea.
Oh, wait.
Cool story, bro. I had no idea that hunting, recreational shooting, self-defense, security and law enforcement are no longer parts of civilian life.
Not to mention how sad it is for a science fiction writer to not understand the importance of the Internet.
What is supposed to be so amazing about this?
So in conclusion, everything is art.
This is why I think the entire word is meaningless.
I try not to use the word art since it doesn't mean anything. It can't be defined.
Are there games that I believe match the quality of great (or even above average) movies in terms of intelligence, subtlety, emotional depth and so forth? I can't think of any. Portal is well made and entertaining, but it offers no insight and doesn't make me think of anything. At its core it isn't even that original, because we've surely seen many games where the lone protagonist struggles through a hostile environment with a voice guiding him/her (System Shock is an early example).
A book is not a movie, a movie is not a book, and a video game is not a book or a movie. They are not interchangeable. A game, due to its interactive nature, allows for things that are impossible in books and movies. And why shouldn't people demand good storytelling in games? Is there some conceptual or practical reason as to why a game cannot be allowed to have good storytelling?
What is your point? A game is only as open-ended as the developer wants it to be, and its story can be set in stone or it can be branching. What does the notion of games having rules even have to do with storytelling?
The game has a story or it doesn't. No "tricks" are required to accomplish this. And what are these "leveling mechanisms" and what do they have to do with the story?
We already have this, it's called multiplayer. I'm sure FPS and MMORPG players have a lot of stories to share about their madcap adventures with other players. But this is hardly a subsitute for storytelling. Unless you are proposing that we create an AI so advanced that it can autonomously create interactive stories. In other words, an actual AI that acts like a dungeon master in a PnP RPG. And you want to wait possibly hundreds of years for this immense technological breakthrough because game developers just shouldn't bother to write good stories for some arbitrary reason.
The fact that Passage is hailed as art speaks volumes about the sorry state of the gaming world. Passage is so deliberately and self-consciously artsy that it was obviously intended to be a "LOOK VIDEO GAMES ARE DEEP AND MEANINFUL ART" type of statement. The "meaning" of the game, as explained on its website, is very trite and calculated. Then there's the fact that it completely fails as a game. Same deal with Gravitation.
But of course the community will latch onto something like Passage as a means of validating gaming as Serious Business.
I am not aware of anyone who thinks that the Doom movie is art.