The same thing that's wrong with calling you an insensitive clod. If you actually make people believe that they are bad, they have no incentive to change. They just get angrier, more antisocial and bitter. Start treating people like they're worth something, and they might start to like it. You insensitive clod.
I disagree. Comment #35145558 has it right. While I loathe the business model and snake oil sales of these fileshare companies, I do not believe that they promote or support piracy any more than torrent aggregators or server hosts do. Take that as you wish. Either you believe that service providers (including YouTube) are legally responsible for the unchecked files their users upload, or you don't.
My server host has an infinity sign next to my maximum storage space meter, and Amazon S3 probably doesn't care how much I use either. That doesn't mean they want me to set up bootleg TV streaming.
I don't normally like to nitpick Pickens' writing, but this:
Back before the internet, many early computer hobbyists networked on Fidonet...
is so false a statement it borders on misleading. And if you can't nitpick the grammatical use of "internet" on/. then what are we doing here?:)
Even by loose standards I think we can agree that an (ARPA) internet existed prior to "computer hobbyist" being an affordable past-time. Personally as a layman, I consider UUCP (1977+) to be the practical genesis of distributed network communication and file sharing. And even if you don't buy that, the DNS system and top level domains were established in '83, and FidoNet in '84. Besides briefly running a BBS I remember using Fido a lot, including sending out e-mails.
Is it just me, or I could swear that I 'bought' my ps3 and it said nothing about a cable box like rental on the box. Why is it so hard for Sony to understand that this is my property and to leave it well enough alone? If they want to arbitrarily execute code on other people's property it crosses the line to hacking and that's criminal to in most jurisdictions.
Your argument is fine for you, but for thousands of Call of Duty players whose profiles have been obliterated by other hackers, they will appreciate the extra protection to be able to play the game *they* paid for. Those hackers are arbitrarily execute code on other people's PS3s, and I don't see you calling the cops.
Maintaining the integrity of a system isn't always about corporate overlording, it's about protecting legitimate customers. Hard to believe, I know, but white hats sometimes need to see the world from the black hat side of things.
Pay bonuses are also a part of life in the private sector. I am assuming this issue exists because we're not talking about a union shop. Ergo, if you're working for someone that doesn't factor in annual or project bonuses... try elsewhere. My last job before going back to school wasn't even IT, and I got an extra $5k just for showing up every day and giving a damn about my performance (though not every day;).
... he will soon be out of jail and all out of debt, ready to enjoy life again.
I have never been in jail, and from your comment I can only assume you haven't either. I do however know several police and corrections officers. People (innocent or guilty) that spend more than a year in real jail aren't in any condition to go about enjoying life soon afterward.
...freaking out and hurting / killing someone) has less penalty than one that only has economic impact, we have a problem in our system (and I am not arguing that we shouldn't be concerned about IP--though personally, I think there needs to be a change in how we look at this too).
Your point has certainly been considered and challenged before the courts, I can assure you. On paper (where laws do most of their work) however, it is not simply a matter of higher danger = higher penalty.
The simple fact is, our society has outgrown the logic of eye-for-an-eye. Crimes that are easier to commit (in this case downloading a torrent versus buying a shovel and digging for a few days) now need to have higher deterrents, because it is far less likely to get a conviction. Meanwhile, how many tunneling burglars do you hear about being on the loose? The penalty is almost guaranteed, and people are stupid to try.
If the penalty for stealing something is less than the value the thief gains, there is no reason not to steal. If you were fined 49 cents for every MP3 you were caught torrenting, it doesn't take a minute to realize that you'd be losing money buying things legitimately off iTunes. When there is absolutely no risk involved to anyone, the only two deterrents that work are A) morality, and B) fear of being caught and punished. Go ask a kid in a candy store which one he or she is more concerned about.
Thierry's notice says "use". "Distribution" is neither literally or legally considered synonymous with use (in north america). And yes I am a photographer, I'm sure Thierry knows the difference too. He's famous enough to know that these things spread. The only thing the parent did improper is rename the image from eclipse110104_solar_transit_33.jpg to thierry_eclipse_iss.jpg, which disrupts Thierry's ability to track its propagation, even though it is nice enough to include his name as an inherent keyword.
For the server argument, astrosurf.com/robots.txt doesn't disallow bots from crawling images. Many commercial photographer sites do. A bot can indeed be guilty of ignoring those rules, but that just means it was programmed without concern for rules.
Yep, nice to set the tone for the year with a good FFS Ask Slashdot. But ridiculous conditionals aside, not 30 minutes ago I was digging up some old game CDs in a shoebox (probably the only "shoebox storage" solution I have, to be fair) and it has among other things: * My original copy of Crimson Skies, c2000 (woot) * Some webdesign related CD-R backups ca.2002 (Kodak Ultimas, natch) * My entire collection of about 5 Mavica CD-RWs with old photos and downloads ca.2003 * A few 3.5" floppies with school projects ca.2001
Now here's the on-topic part... * A box of 3.5" floppies from my family's old Mac+ ca.1986. I can tell you right now that for at least 5 years there have been 4 generations of Macintosh hardware boxed up in my house and garage, purely for the purpose of data migrating that we just haven't gotten around to. Trying to emulate the requirements to read DSDD floppies in Apple's System 6 format is more hassle that actually keeping the old hardware. And since Apple is a master of not supporting anything older than two OS generations in software, never mind hardware, you literally need to hop media formats 1 generation at a time. Our Windows XP tower will read DOS 4 diskettes no problem, but there's no bloody way I can get Dark Castle off this disk and directly onto my MacBook Pro. Even if I plug in a USB SuperDrive (and even if those drivers were compatible with OS10.6 which they aren't), it just won't find anything on the disk because it will only read High Density, not Double Density.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'mma gonna see if I can load up some Hypercard stacks.
While I initially dismissed the summary as FUD, given that TFA refers purely to the practices of resellers like Costco, the core issue from the SCOTUS blog is more fundamental.
Plain English Issue: Under the first-sale doctrine of copyright law, someone who purchases a copyrighted work (like a book) can later sell the work to someone else without the permission of the copyright holder (e.g., the book’s author). Does the “first-sale doctrine” apply to imported works manufactured abroad? (Kagan, J., recused).
Aside from books, which are often printed in Canada, I buy a lot of second hand and yes imported video games, normally made in Asia by foreign companies. If Nintendo and Sony wanted to end the used sales market, they just got given a big gun. Microsoft however seems out of luck by virtue of making goods for a local market? The 9th circuit ruling is based on Omega being a Swiss company, even though it has authorized resellers (of which Costco isn't) in the states. If they are suggesting (as TFA notes) that purely foreign *manufactured* goods are exempt, this flies in the face of existing international conventions of copyright (something I am writing a paper on right now) which say that copyright conventions are enforced locally by all member nations. First sale notwithstanding, Swiss goods have long been subject to US copyright law within the US. The overhead for enforcing international laws locally would crush an already collapsing legal system. Tariffs and duty exist to deter the fact that goods are being imported/exported to other markets by third parties.
Realistically I think this may be a decision with no teeth, once watchdogs start pointing out that every family member of every US lawmaker continues to buy things off eBay, Amazon, Craigslist, and second hand stores. These retail vectors of course will claim no responsibility for what is sold via their systems. These same laws are hurting capitalism at the expense of corporatism, which then hurts the corporations because people can no longer engage in capitalism to help buy more of their goods. Vicious.
Since Norton, modern AV software in general seems to be a case of the cure being worse than the disease. Why do I need ad supported toolbars and mandatory scan slowdowns in place of Poker popups and replicating trojans? Both bog my machine down, just one is less likely to destroy files (failed bootups notwithstanding). My University uses Sophos. When I must set up a Windows machine, I set up an F-Prot license. I've trusted Frisk since forever, but the application has its glitches certainly.
So much cruft and garish UI is for the fearful neophytes. Not to mention the raft of organized crime promoting anti-spyware spyware with website banners.
I miss Thunderbyte. That was damn good DOS software. TBAV and Shez, a copy of DD.COM from PCMag to manage my files, and Norton Utilities to keep my drives defragmented. Shit, I used to love computers. Now I use a Mac, my typing has gone to hell, and I only love what I can *do* with computers. Totally different thing.:)
Despite many faux pas she's made that would have left anyone else gelded, she somehow keeps drumming up support.
Old White Men don't look nearly as sexy in glasses.
Celebrity, fame, and physical appeal will forgive much, and get you out of most any pickle for a good long time, but it doesn't solve anything. Ask JFK and Wesley Snipes.
The one thing a government can do is provide a framework for people to complain when other people don't do what they're supposed to. How's that been working out, historically? Anyone with an ounce of sense would agree it's more effective to not give someone the chance in the first place. Telemarketing happened because phone companies were obligated to publish lists of landlines, and we allowed them to charge *extra* to withhold our information.
People are so gullible they might as well start a Be Anonymous list. "Give us your contact information and nobody will be legally allowed to use this list to know who you are. Also the list is only valid for the next 5 years."
...but is there any evidence that it actually brings in much money for anyone else?
I doesn't need to bring in tangible amounts of money to producers. It only needs to provide enough stats for marketers to convince producers to keep paying marketers. And that is how the web goes round.
The rights of the dead should not infringe upon the rights of the living.
In the case of copyright, it is the rights of the dead's living dependents that meant to be are protected. Don't let your opinions of Yoko Ono condemn the wives and children of artists everywhere.
Also if death meant instant public domain, I think there would be a lot more bodyguards in the entertainment industry than there already are. A copyright clause for natural vs. unnatural deaths would be rather tasteless don't you think?
Your retort reeks of the Wikipedia page on universities, so I'll reference a few too. University of Bologna is widely accepted as the first and oldest (11th century) western university. And madrasahs - which certainly do have origins in religion - predate that. (See Al-Azhar University) But I don't think you're trying to connect the big C Church to Islam, and we're talking modern university origins, not 6th century Roman religious scholars. (See Cassiodorus)
Even after the printing press was invented, I don't believe the Church was actively encouraging common folk to read the bible themselves in their own language. Better to hear it from the pulpit by an official that knows Latin. (See Bible Translations) "New ideas" as you say, are precisely the thing the Church found most dangerous, especially when things got competitive and educated men started discovering things with technology. For a good while there, it was Aristotle or bust. (See Galileo Affair)
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You do realize Cow Clicker is cribbing from Diablo... poorly.
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The same thing that's wrong with calling you an insensitive clod.
If you actually make people believe that they are bad, they have no incentive to change. They just get angrier, more antisocial and bitter.
Start treating people like they're worth something, and they might start to like it.
You insensitive clod.
"Don't Be Evil, except just this once?"
That should go swimmingly!
+1 Too Easy
I disagree. Comment #35145558 has it right. While I loathe the business model and snake oil sales of these fileshare companies, I do not believe that they promote or support piracy any more than torrent aggregators or server hosts do. Take that as you wish. Either you believe that service providers (including YouTube) are legally responsible for the unchecked files their users upload, or you don't.
My server host has an infinity sign next to my maximum storage space meter, and Amazon S3 probably doesn't care how much I use either. That doesn't mean they want me to set up bootleg TV streaming.
I don't normally like to nitpick Pickens' writing, but this:
Back before the internet, many early computer hobbyists networked on Fidonet...
is so false a statement it borders on misleading. And if you can't nitpick the grammatical use of "internet" on /. then what are we doing here? :)
Even by loose standards I think we can agree that an (ARPA) internet existed prior to "computer hobbyist" being an affordable past-time.
Personally as a layman, I consider UUCP (1977+) to be the practical genesis of distributed network communication and file sharing.
And even if you don't buy that, the DNS system and top level domains were established in '83, and FidoNet in '84.
Besides briefly running a BBS I remember using Fido a lot, including sending out e-mails.
Start Me Up?
"You make a thrown chair flyyyyyyy..."
Damn, too easy.
Beverly:
If there's nothing wrong with me...maybe there's something wrong with the universe!
Computer:
The universe is a spheroid region, 705 meters in diameter.
On no! I hope it doesn't crush 'er.
Maybe I'm stuck in the 80s, but it seems like you just described IBM.
Quick, what's the Microsoft Company Song?
Is it just me, or I could swear that I 'bought' my ps3 and it said nothing about a cable box like rental on the box. Why is it so hard for Sony to understand that this is my property and to leave it well enough alone? If they want to arbitrarily execute code on other people's property it crosses the line to hacking and that's criminal to in most jurisdictions.
Your argument is fine for you, but for thousands of Call of Duty players whose profiles have been obliterated by other hackers, they will appreciate the extra protection to be able to play the game *they* paid for. Those hackers are arbitrarily execute code on other people's PS3s, and I don't see you calling the cops.
Maintaining the integrity of a system isn't always about corporate overlording, it's about protecting legitimate customers. Hard to believe, I know, but white hats sometimes need to see the world from the black hat side of things.
Pay bonuses are also a part of life in the private sector. I am assuming this issue exists because we're not talking about a union shop. Ergo, if you're working for someone that doesn't factor in annual or project bonuses... try elsewhere. My last job before going back to school wasn't even IT, and I got an extra $5k just for showing up every day and giving a damn about my performance (though not every day ;).
... he will soon be out of jail and all out of debt, ready to enjoy life again.
I have never been in jail, and from your comment I can only assume you haven't either.
I do however know several police and corrections officers. People (innocent or guilty) that spend more than a year in real jail aren't in any condition to go about enjoying life soon afterward.
...freaking out and hurting / killing someone) has less penalty than one that only has economic impact, we have a problem in our system (and I am not arguing that we shouldn't be concerned about IP--though personally, I think there needs to be a change in how we look at this too).
Your point has certainly been considered and challenged before the courts, I can assure you. On paper (where laws do most of their work) however, it is not simply a matter of higher danger = higher penalty.
The simple fact is, our society has outgrown the logic of eye-for-an-eye. Crimes that are easier to commit (in this case downloading a torrent versus buying a shovel and digging for a few days) now need to have higher deterrents, because it is far less likely to get a conviction. Meanwhile, how many tunneling burglars do you hear about being on the loose? The penalty is almost guaranteed, and people are stupid to try.
If the penalty for stealing something is less than the value the thief gains, there is no reason not to steal. If you were fined 49 cents for every MP3 you were caught torrenting, it doesn't take a minute to realize that you'd be losing money buying things legitimately off iTunes. When there is absolutely no risk involved to anyone, the only two deterrents that work are A) morality, and B) fear of being caught and punished. Go ask a kid in a candy store which one he or she is more concerned about.
Thierry's notice says "use". "Distribution" is neither literally or legally considered synonymous with use (in north america). And yes I am a photographer, I'm sure Thierry knows the difference too. He's famous enough to know that these things spread.
The only thing the parent did improper is rename the image from eclipse110104_solar_transit_33.jpg to thierry_eclipse_iss.jpg, which disrupts Thierry's ability to track its propagation, even though it is nice enough to include his name as an inherent keyword.
For the server argument, astrosurf.com/robots.txt doesn't disallow bots from crawling images. Many commercial photographer sites do.
A bot can indeed be guilty of ignoring those rules, but that just means it was programmed without concern for rules.
Yep, nice to set the tone for the year with a good FFS Ask Slashdot.
But ridiculous conditionals aside, not 30 minutes ago I was digging up some old game CDs in a shoebox (probably the only "shoebox storage" solution I have, to be fair) and it has among other things:
* My original copy of Crimson Skies, c2000 (woot)
* Some webdesign related CD-R backups ca.2002 (Kodak Ultimas, natch)
* My entire collection of about 5 Mavica CD-RWs with old photos and downloads ca.2003
* A few 3.5" floppies with school projects ca.2001
Now here's the on-topic part...
* A box of 3.5" floppies from my family's old Mac+ ca.1986.
I can tell you right now that for at least 5 years there have been 4 generations of Macintosh hardware boxed up in my house and garage, purely for the purpose of data migrating that we just haven't gotten around to. Trying to emulate the requirements to read DSDD floppies in Apple's System 6 format is more hassle that actually keeping the old hardware. And since Apple is a master of not supporting anything older than two OS generations in software, never mind hardware, you literally need to hop media formats 1 generation at a time. Our Windows XP tower will read DOS 4 diskettes no problem, but there's no bloody way I can get Dark Castle off this disk and directly onto my MacBook Pro. Even if I plug in a USB SuperDrive (and even if those drivers were compatible with OS10.6 which they aren't), it just won't find anything on the disk because it will only read High Density, not Double Density.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'mma gonna see if I can load up some Hypercard stacks.
While I initially dismissed the summary as FUD, given that TFA refers purely to the practices of resellers like Costco, the core issue from the SCOTUS blog is more fundamental.
Plain English Issue: Under the first-sale doctrine of copyright law, someone who purchases a copyrighted work (like a book) can later sell the work to someone else without the permission of the copyright holder (e.g., the book’s author). Does the “first-sale doctrine” apply to imported works manufactured abroad? (Kagan, J., recused).
Aside from books, which are often printed in Canada, I buy a lot of second hand and yes imported video games, normally made in Asia by foreign companies.
If Nintendo and Sony wanted to end the used sales market, they just got given a big gun. Microsoft however seems out of luck by virtue of making goods for a local market? The 9th circuit ruling is based on Omega being a Swiss company, even though it has authorized resellers (of which Costco isn't) in the states. If they are suggesting (as TFA notes) that purely foreign *manufactured* goods are exempt, this flies in the face of existing international conventions of copyright (something I am writing a paper on right now) which say that copyright conventions are enforced locally by all member nations. First sale notwithstanding, Swiss goods have long been subject to US copyright law within the US. The overhead for enforcing international laws locally would crush an already collapsing legal system. Tariffs and duty exist to deter the fact that goods are being imported/exported to other markets by third parties.
Realistically I think this may be a decision with no teeth, once watchdogs start pointing out that every family member of every US lawmaker continues to buy things off eBay, Amazon, Craigslist, and second hand stores. These retail vectors of course will claim no responsibility for what is sold via their systems. These same laws are hurting capitalism at the expense of corporatism, which then hurts the corporations because people can no longer engage in capitalism to help buy more of their goods. Vicious.
You cannae change the laws of physics.
But the laws of biochemistry are open, I guess.
When you write the laws you're allowed to re-write them. Otherwise atoms would still be solid spheres.
And I think most scientists would admit when asked that we don't write anything, we just document it.
Engineers hooever, can'ae admit any sooch thang.
Since Norton, modern AV software in general seems to be a case of the cure being worse than the disease. Why do I need ad supported toolbars and mandatory scan slowdowns in place of Poker popups and replicating trojans? Both bog my machine down, just one is less likely to destroy files (failed bootups notwithstanding). My University uses Sophos. When I must set up a Windows machine, I set up an F-Prot license. I've trusted Frisk since forever, but the application has its glitches certainly.
So much cruft and garish UI is for the fearful neophytes. Not to mention the raft of organized crime promoting anti-spyware spyware with website banners.
I miss Thunderbyte. That was damn good DOS software. TBAV and Shez, a copy of DD.COM from PCMag to manage my files, and Norton Utilities to keep my drives defragmented. Shit, I used to love computers. Now I use a Mac, my typing has gone to hell, and I only love what I can *do* with computers. Totally different thing. :)
Personally I think anyone who spells their nick with numbers in an effort to look 'leet' deserves to have their computer confiscated.
\/\/hy s0 s3r10us?
Well, to her credit, she has a lot of followers.
One could say the same about tabloids.
Despite many faux pas she's made that would have left anyone else gelded, she somehow keeps drumming up support.
Old White Men don't look nearly as sexy in glasses.
Celebrity, fame, and physical appeal will forgive much, and get you out of most any pickle for a good long time, but it doesn't solve anything. Ask JFK and Wesley Snipes.
I've never had a mod point to give, but I wish I could for you.
Canada's Do Not Call list has already proven to be a treasure trove for data mining by the U.S. and others. For $50 you can get more reliable information than on a $3000 e-mail address list. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Do_Not_Call_List#Criticism
The one thing a government can do is provide a framework for people to complain when other people don't do what they're supposed to.
How's that been working out, historically? Anyone with an ounce of sense would agree it's more effective to not give someone the chance in the first place. Telemarketing happened because phone companies were obligated to publish lists of landlines, and we allowed them to charge *extra* to withhold our information.
People are so gullible they might as well start a Be Anonymous list. "Give us your contact information and nobody will be legally allowed to use this list to know who you are. Also the list is only valid for the next 5 years."
...but is there any evidence that it actually brings in much money for anyone else?
I doesn't need to bring in tangible amounts of money to producers. It only needs to provide enough stats for marketers to convince producers to keep paying marketers. And that is how the web goes round.
The rights of the dead should not infringe upon the rights of the living.
In the case of copyright, it is the rights of the dead's living dependents that meant to be are protected.
Don't let your opinions of Yoko Ono condemn the wives and children of artists everywhere.
Also if death meant instant public domain, I think there would be a lot more bodyguards in the entertainment industry than there already are. A copyright clause for natural vs. unnatural deaths would be rather tasteless don't you think?
Your retort reeks of the Wikipedia page on universities, so I'll reference a few too.
University of Bologna is widely accepted as the first and oldest (11th century) western university. And madrasahs - which certainly do have origins in religion - predate that. (See Al-Azhar University) But I don't think you're trying to connect the big C Church to Islam, and we're talking modern university origins, not 6th century Roman religious scholars. (See Cassiodorus)
The thing is, Bologna didn't start teaching theology until almost 300 years after it was formed, so it's highly unlikely it could be considered a monastic school. http://www.eng.unibo.it/PortaleEn/University/Our+History/default.htm
Even after the printing press was invented, I don't believe the Church was actively encouraging common folk to read the bible themselves in their own language. Better to hear it from the pulpit by an official that knows Latin. (See Bible Translations) "New ideas" as you say, are precisely the thing the Church found most dangerous, especially when things got competitive and educated men started discovering things with technology. For a good while there, it was Aristotle or bust. (See Galileo Affair)