But the point is, they have been working on it for over five years. After many false starts, yes, but there has been 5+ years of solid deveopment on what is now Mac OS X. If MS would have started back then, they'd be in good shape right about now, too. Instead, we're looking at longhorn in, what, 2006? 2007? 2008? And that's an OS *not* based on 30-years-plus of proven UNIX-based security. The T-shirts and.sig files are true: "OS X: because making UNIX pretty and easy was easier than making Windows secure and stable."
"Everybody who says they would never buy one of the current Macs, but would buy this one for $500 out of impulse, is a damn liar. You can already buy a headless G4 Mac for under $600. Just go to eBay and buy an old G4 tower from about two years ago. Hell, for that matter, you can buy an old G3 tower which will run OS X just fine for about $300. Add a $100 CPU upgrade, and there's your G4 right there."
I want a small Mac to use as a server. eMac: no good--too big, hard to get into. iMac: same. PowerMac: too 'spensive. Used G4: slower bus, etc. You think you can find a 1250 MHz MDD G4 on eBay for $600? Or a G3 with a CPU upgrade? On what planet do 1 GHz+ CPU upgrades cost $100?!? SonnetTech has 500 MHz units for $150 and 1 GHz units for $400. Ooh, all that on a 100 MHz FSB and with ATA/66 drives. Color me unimpressed.
No, what I want is a new system, (read: "warranty") with fast graphics (Quartz Extreme) if I need them, decent memory bandwidth, and ATA/133 so I can put at least one huge drive in it. As the owner of a B/W G3/400 and a Graphite 733, I can tell you that neither system is what I want in a server, and I would buy a $500 1 GHz+ Mac in a second.*
As for the eMac, the margin might be "thin" but I assure you it's there and it's comfortable--they're selling them, right? They aren't a charity and it's not a loss-leader, like the one stripped car a dealer orders so he can say "2005 ThunderCougarFalconBird for $12,999!!!" And it's not a $100 monitor removed, it's several pounds of leaded glass and a cubic foot of volume removed. Think "shipping from Asia" and "storage." Pizza-boxes or cubes could be packed 4 or 6 times denser than eMacs.
* knowing Apple the way I do, I would wait until they're shipping, then wait a month to see if there are any big problems, *then* buy one.
If Microsoft decides to start over and just retain some form of Win32 compatibility layer, the chaos will make Apple's transition pale in comparison. In the long run, it would be worth it, but remember the size of the Windows installed base.
Time flies. If MS would have started working on a new OS alongside the current one five years ago, think of where they'd be today. It's not like they don't have the money to spend on this kind of thing.
My only problem with cygwin is it is, like, ten zillion files. Thus, using Windows' 'Find' takes forever. I wish there were some way to zip up the whole thing and uncompress it at runtime. (There probably is; yes, I'm too lazy to look for it.) I only put it on systems where I really need it--it's no longer part of my "hey I got a new machine" base install.
Why do people think this phrase is to be taken literally? It's a shortened version of "I could care less, but I'd have to try." Just like "sure as shit stinks" has been truncated to "sure as shit."
The reboot might have stemmed from the program's need of the dotnet framework--according to the page, one of the installers comes with it. if you installed the DNF at the same time as paint, a reboot is probably required.
...once and for all, digital signatures do NOTHING. Once a user wants to install something, they will click 'yes' to whatever it takes. We all get a million warnings a day that we click 'yes' to with no ill effects, so what's one more? Call it "the boy who cried wolf" syndrome.
We wouldn't *need* all these warnings in the first place if MS hadn't allowed two extremely popular programs (IE and OE) to run executables with no user intervention. If they would have stuck with the ORIGINAL design--"Code canNOT run until you tell it to"--we'd all be better off. Run all the JS on a web page you want, but NO ONE can run code that affects the LOCAL MACHINE until told to. But no, stupid fucking MS, who didn't even *know* netowrks existed until Win 3.11, jumps into the game with the assumption that "Hey, you're on a network? Well then, you're probably at work, so the network's probably safe." Maybe we can fix the problem by putting up signs on the Redmond campus: "Strangers have the best candy!" and see if that thins the herd some.
How many old-timers here remember telling their new-to-the-net friends "You can *read* any email you want and NOTHING BAD CAN HAPPEN, but always be sure before clicking an attachment!"? And then we had to go and revise that statement.
I split the difference--remove IE and OE from the desktop so the only icons they see are "firefox web" and "thunderbird mail".
But I'm tempted to just go back to giving out Netscape, which has a *great* name (besides having 'Net' in it, it *still* has recognition, unlike Pho^H^H^HFireBi^H^HFox) and is almost as good as FF/TB or Moz.
""HEY GRANDMA!!! Try the NEW and _improved_ internet! It's called Firefox, blazing hot internet!!":P"
Better still: change the shortcut icon, change the icon's name, tell her it looks different because it's a new version. If a site doesn't work, explain to her how this new version of IE breaks insecure sites.
Just like when your parents were raising you, it's a lie for their own protection.:-)
This would be my #1 request for the lite version as well, more for the reason that I have lots of 650 MB blanks. And when you find a random disk laying around, who knows what size it is? Yes, I know the computer can tell me, but I'd rather not have to worry. Just scrape off a few packages and we'll all be happy.:-)
...know if this VIA CPU & 128 MB RAM is enough to playback DivX or Xvid AVI DVD rips? Possibly if you drop the screen down to 800x600 or 640x480 @ 16bpp?
my favorite show is on at 8pm eastern & pacific, 7pm central & mountain... how will I *possibly* schedule my flight to make sure I see it?
(If I'm redundant, save your mod points... I am browisng at +5 and don't feel like reading the thread lower to see if someone else made this joke already.)
"A cheap Dell for half the cost would get the job done too, but then 3 months later you'd be cleaning off spyware, explaining how to use a virus scanner, etc, etc."
And that's the same reason I recommend them to *experienced* computer users, too. Even though I am smart enough to *know* how to *fix* spyware, I'da rather not *worry* about it at all!
He fails to mention that the eMac is also immune to this fall's hottest spyware.:-) And anyone who tries to get between my wife and iMovie risks losing a limb. Different people like different things.
Same number of keystrokes: control-L, tab, keywords, enter. Works in Safari, too. Don't know about the real estate, I just type and go. Others have pointed out how you can search from the location bar. Personally, I hate the way the home button--which I use all the time to take me to my custom local home page--is tiny in Mozilla. Like the saying goes, to each his own.
Testing is definitely a good idea, especially if you have complete control over the new address. If you're with an ISP that you can tell to let all mail pass, or if you run your own server, great. I've seen mail (hotmail in particular, but I have many accounts) go up and down, from 100s of spams per week to 10s and back to 100s, as the provider changes filters.
I'm in the exact same boat as the parent, and I'm not an MBA. Even though I work in the publishinhg industry (where the people who use Macs are the people who make what the company fscking sells) Mac users are treated like second-class citizens. Once Windows users log into their boxes (and thus the domain, or should that be the other way around) they no longer have to enter passwords for servers and lots of other nice stuff. Mac users log into their boxes with one login, connect to servers with another (and *that* one, on the domain, has to change every 60 days) and don't get anything from the servers except disk access, email, and the Internet. IT could easily do so much more for us, but why? Fuck those Mac users!
Sorry, but not having seen xargs used*, I didn't recognize that it was the solution. So, if rm `locate foo` gags from too many arguments, then try locate foo | xargs rm ?
* heard of it, but thought it did something else, so it didn't register when I saw your post.
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"They really don't need a firefox version anyway.. People who use firefox fall under those who don't really need it :)"
Oh yeah? How did you do on this quiz?
It's not deskspace I'm after, but closet space. And I'd rather avoid the $700 tarriff for a large, delicate screen I won't use.
But the point is, they have been working on it for over five years. After many false starts, yes, but there has been 5+ years of solid deveopment on what is now Mac OS X. If MS would have started back then, they'd be in good shape right about now, too. Instead, we're looking at longhorn in, what, 2006? 2007? 2008? And that's an OS *not* based on 30-years-plus of proven UNIX-based security. The T-shirts and .sig files are true: "OS X: because making UNIX pretty and easy was easier than making Windows secure and stable."
>>a clone mac was tried last year and it failed.
>If by "last year" you mean "1994", then you're correct.
I think he's referring to this. Google for 'ibox clone' for more info.
"Everybody who says they would never buy one of the current Macs, but would buy this one for $500 out of impulse, is a damn liar. You can already buy a headless G4 Mac for under $600. Just go to eBay and buy an old G4 tower from about two years ago. Hell, for that matter, you can buy an old G3 tower which will run OS X just fine for about $300. Add a $100 CPU upgrade, and there's your G4 right there."
I want a small Mac to use as a server. eMac: no good--too big, hard to get into. iMac: same. PowerMac: too 'spensive. Used G4: slower bus, etc. You think you can find a 1250 MHz MDD G4 on eBay for $600? Or a G3 with a CPU upgrade? On what planet do 1 GHz+ CPU upgrades cost $100?!? SonnetTech has 500 MHz units for $150 and 1 GHz units for $400. Ooh, all that on a 100 MHz FSB and with ATA/66 drives. Color me unimpressed.
No, what I want is a new system, (read: "warranty") with fast graphics (Quartz Extreme) if I need them, decent memory bandwidth, and ATA/133 so I can put at least one huge drive in it. As the owner of a B/W G3/400 and a Graphite 733, I can tell you that neither system is what I want in a server, and I would buy a $500 1 GHz+ Mac in a second.*
As for the eMac, the margin might be "thin" but I assure you it's there and it's comfortable--they're selling them, right? They aren't a charity and it's not a loss-leader, like the one stripped car a dealer orders so he can say "2005 ThunderCougarFalconBird for $12,999!!!" And it's not a $100 monitor removed, it's several pounds of leaded glass and a cubic foot of volume removed. Think "shipping from Asia" and "storage." Pizza-boxes or cubes could be packed 4 or 6 times denser than eMacs.
* knowing Apple the way I do, I would wait until they're shipping, then wait a month to see if there are any big problems, *then* buy one.
If Microsoft decides to start over and just retain some form of Win32 compatibility layer, the chaos will make Apple's transition pale in comparison. In the long run, it would be worth it, but remember the size of the Windows installed base.
Time flies. If MS would have started working on a new OS alongside the current one five years ago, think of where they'd be today. It's not like they don't have the money to spend on this kind of thing.
My only problem with cygwin is it is, like, ten zillion files. Thus, using Windows' 'Find' takes forever. I wish there were some way to zip up the whole thing and uncompress it at runtime. (There probably is; yes, I'm too lazy to look for it.) I only put it on systems where I really need it--it's no longer part of my "hey I got a new machine" base install.
Why do people think this phrase is to be taken literally? It's a shortened version of "I could care less, but I'd have to try." Just like "sure as shit stinks" has been truncated to "sure as shit."
...but it's no iPod-killer, that's for sure. :-)
The reboot might have stemmed from the program's need of the dotnet framework--according to the page, one of the installers comes with it. if you installed the DNF at the same time as paint, a reboot is probably required.
...once and for all, digital signatures do NOTHING. Once a user wants to install something, they will click 'yes' to whatever it takes. We all get a million warnings a day that we click 'yes' to with no ill effects, so what's one more? Call it "the boy who cried wolf" syndrome.
We wouldn't *need* all these warnings in the first place if MS hadn't allowed two extremely popular programs (IE and OE) to run executables with no user intervention. If they would have stuck with the ORIGINAL design--"Code canNOT run until you tell it to"--we'd all be better off. Run all the JS on a web page you want, but NO ONE can run code that affects the LOCAL MACHINE until told to. But no, stupid fucking MS, who didn't even *know* netowrks existed until Win 3.11, jumps into the game with the assumption that "Hey, you're on a network? Well then, you're probably at work, so the network's probably safe." Maybe we can fix the problem by putting up signs on the Redmond campus: "Strangers have the best candy!" and see if that thins the herd some.
How many old-timers here remember telling their new-to-the-net friends "You can *read* any email you want and NOTHING BAD CAN HAPPEN, but always be sure before clicking an attachment!"? And then we had to go and revise that statement.
I split the difference--remove IE and OE from the desktop so the only icons they see are "firefox web" and "thunderbird mail".
But I'm tempted to just go back to giving out Netscape, which has a *great* name (besides having 'Net' in it, it *still* has recognition, unlike Pho^H^H^HFireBi^H^HFox) and is almost as good as FF/TB or Moz.
""HEY GRANDMA!!! Try the NEW and _improved_ internet! It's called Firefox, blazing hot internet!!" :P"
:-)
Better still: change the shortcut icon, change the icon's name, tell her it looks different because it's a new version. If a site doesn't work, explain to her how this new version of IE breaks insecure sites.
Just like when your parents were raising you, it's a lie for their own protection.
This would be my #1 request for the lite version as well, more for the reason that I have lots of 650 MB blanks. And when you find a random disk laying around, who knows what size it is? Yes, I know the computer can tell me, but I'd rather not have to worry. Just scrape off a few packages and we'll all be happy. :-)
For $50 more they have an AMD 1.1 GHz Mobile Athlon 4 model with a bigger drive (40 vs 30) and DVD-ROM. Sweet! Now I just need an extra $550... :-)
...know if this VIA CPU & 128 MB RAM is enough to playback DivX or Xvid AVI DVD rips? Possibly if you drop the screen down to 800x600 or 640x480 @ 16bpp?
my favorite show is on at 8pm eastern & pacific, 7pm central & mountain... how will I *possibly* schedule my flight to make sure I see it?
(If I'm redundant, save your mod points... I am browisng at +5 and don't feel like reading the thread lower to see if someone else made this joke already.)
"A cheap Dell for half the cost would get the job done too, but then 3 months later you'd be cleaning off spyware, explaining how to use a virus scanner, etc, etc."
And that's the same reason I recommend them to *experienced* computer users, too. Even though I am smart enough to *know* how to *fix* spyware, I'da rather not *worry* about it at all!
He fails to mention that the eMac is also immune to this fall's hottest spyware. :-) And anyone who tries to get between my wife and iMovie risks losing a limb. Different people like different things.
Same number of keystrokes: control-L, tab, keywords, enter. Works in Safari, too. Don't know about the real estate, I just type and go. Others have pointed out how you can search from the location bar. Personally, I hate the way the home button--which I use all the time to take me to my custom local home page--is tiny in Mozilla. Like the saying goes, to each his own.
Testing is definitely a good idea, especially if you have complete control over the new address. If you're with an ISP that you can tell to let all mail pass, or if you run your own server, great. I've seen mail (hotmail in particular, but I have many accounts) go up and down, from 100s of spams per week to 10s and back to 100s, as the provider changes filters.
... to register hand. and blow.?
I'm in the exact same boat as the parent, and I'm not an MBA. Even though I work in the publishinhg industry (where the people who use Macs are the people who make what the company fscking sells) Mac users are treated like second-class citizens. Once Windows users log into their boxes (and thus the domain, or should that be the other way around) they no longer have to enter passwords for servers and lots of other nice stuff. Mac users log into their boxes with one login, connect to servers with another (and *that* one, on the domain, has to change every 60 days) and don't get anything from the servers except disk access, email, and the Internet. IT could easily do so much more for us, but why? Fuck those Mac users!
Sorry, but not having seen xargs used*, I didn't recognize that it was the solution. So, if
rm `locate foo`
gags from too many arguments, then try
locate foo | xargs rm
?
* heard of it, but thought it did something else, so it didn't register when I saw your post.
Very funny. Yes, unzip them first. Ever unzip a Word doc? :-)