You may be correct in your statements, but let's take a look at what Plato actually says:
Let me begin by observing first of all, that nine thousand was the sum of years which had elapsed since the war which was said to have taken place between those who dwelt outside the
Pillars of Heracles and all who dwelt within them; this war I am going to describe. Of the combatants on the one side, the city of Athens was reported to have been the leader and to have fought out the war; the combatants on the other side were commanded by the kings of Atlantis
The name "Pillars of Heracles (Hèracleiai stèlai)" was given by the ancients to a location which is usually identified with the Rock of Gibraltar and the facing Apes' Hill near Tangier, on either side of the strait of Gibraltar leading from the Mediterranean to the Atlantic Ocean. Meaning: Atlantis was on the other side of the strait of Gibraltar.
Obviously....... this is just a PR stunt by the Sci Fi Channel to hype their new series, Stargate: Atlantis.
Yeaahhhhh, no. Unless, of course, the SciFi Channel has been planning this television series for the past hundred years or so. Look around, there's another "scientist" that "discovers Atlantis" in a different part of the world every 3 months nowadays, and (who woulda thought) it NEVER fits the complete description from Plato.
The neatest thing about this, IMHO... would be if we discovered a very old, very advanced civilization that threw historians a curveball
Actually, that's EXACTLY what Atlantis was: a VERY old, VERY advanced civilization. They supposedly weren't as advanced as we are today, but they were FAR more advanced than the rest of the world was back in the day... and they existed 9000 years before Plato's time.
what if some ancient civilization was just as advanced as us but nuked themselves out of existence?
I've pondered this many times and I keep coming to the same conclusion: If this was true, we would have found SOME evidence of their existence by now. I highly doubt that any really technologically advanced civilization that could create an atomic bomb wouldn't expand their culture beyond a handful of cities. We should have found towers on mountains by now, no? I don't think it very likely that when they wiped themselves out, they destroyed every miniscule building they had ever created.
I know you meant this as a rhetorical question, but I'll bite anyways.
Q: how do they confirm it is atlantis? A: When they find some artifacts in the vicinity and can carbon date them back from 9000 years ago. When they can find proof of the animals and/or technology that existed there according to the one-and-only document that even mentions the city.
Q: why can't their find of this ancient city stand on its own as exciting and important? A: Because the human-race has this drive to solve puzzles and find proofs and explanations of any and everything. The city of Atlantis is no different from Noah's Ark, Solomon's Temple, Eden, or even the laws of physics; people will continually search for them until they find inexplicable proof (whether it exists or not) that they exist.
Q: why link it to a dubious unprovable myth A: Short answer: in hopes of acquiring more research dollars.
And finally... Q: maybe i'm stpid, but... A: You are correct, because you can't spell "stupid".;-)
Let me guess: you're in the US Army and you are just trying to start this rumor in the hopes that you get relocated out of Iraq to the beautiful beaches of Spain, right?
It sounds like they ran fiber to all the dorm rooms just so they could say, "Hey! Look! We have fiber run to all the dorm rooms!"
Actually, they've had fiber running to all of the dorm rooms for close to 10 years now. I had a fiber connection my freshman year (1994).
The biggest problem that I realized was when I graduated and LEFT the campus and realized how crappy the rest of the world has it for an internet connection. (just a 56k modem for a couple years until they finally offered DSL in my neighborhood.) Hell, we used to download MP3s [and this is before they became popular; we always had to rip our own] and video porn in a matter of seconds. Now it takes minutes or hours!
I hate to sound so cliche, but it is the "final frontier".
Several hundred years ago they probably said the same thing about the Atlantic Ocean. The same was probably said about leaving the Fertile Crescent many thousands of year before that too....
There is still plenty of exploring to be done here on Earth (ie. deep ocean trences, rain forests). Granted, we would require space travel to explore other planets, but our physical universe isn't necessarily the last place to go spelunking. What about the possibility of extra dimensions and alternate realities that we can't even conceive of at this time?
Instead of missing that knock out punch Koolio could deliver you, and all your friends, beer all night long. You have this luxury 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. Find a human to do that.
OR, you could just put a cooler or mini-fridge in your living room.
Seriously, if you REALLY plan on sitting in front of the TV for an entire evening, without moving, what's the difference between loading up a mini-fridge and loading up a mini-fridge that has a computer, wireless internet card, wheels, etc... attached to it?
Yeah, this house runs fine-and-dandy in Malaysia, but what about other places where it's not so warm and sunny throughout the entire year?
I'm still holding out on someone to design a house that runs on cloudy skies and miserable winters. And maybe off of all the rock salt that can be scraped off of the bottom of my car too.
Anyone know if this is possible? (It's not listed in their channel guide but I was wondering if anyone might know of another name/channel it might be listed under... or any other channel like it.)
I used to leave the NASA channel on all of the time when I was living in my dorm in school... mainly just for the cool video-feeds they'd have from the space shuttles catching the Earth and stars beyond it.
How does the consumer become a loser in this situation?
If someone decides to buy a product that isn't standardized and becomes obsolete within a year or two, then it's their own fault. The average consumer won't purchase the technology until it has been proven in the market and can readily be found and purchased at a reasonable price.
If big corporations keep fighting over the new media format, I only see THEM as the losers... spending so much time/money/effort for something that the average consumer will NOT purchase.
Wow, can you find this raw footage and provide a hyperlink so I can check it out?
It's just that I'm having a rough time imagining sheep throwing spears, swinging swords, riding on the backs of oliphants, etc... and using a bow is just beyond my comprehension!
one of the selling points of SA6 was that you could get upgrades every 2 years at a reduced price
Not to bash M$ or anything, but aren't the Service Packs and Patches and HotFixes etc... that come out quarterly/monthly/weekly basically FREE upgrades? Why pay for upgrades at even a disconted rate? Or am I missing something here?
Why would you want to upgrade your OS every 2 years when fixing OS flaws/security-issues and updating the software should keep you fairly up-to-date? (granted, noone _should_ still be using Win95 or 98 anymore... but that was 5 or more years ago.)
Anyone else read this review and think of Battlefield Earth?
Somewhat similar premise: One alien race dominates the universe. Other races don't think to rebel. Eventually humanity becomes the savior of everyone and everything.
And judging by this review, it sounds like it was written with the same amount of skill. And no, I'm not Trolling or bashing another book or am Offtopic.... I am being serious here.
In Battlefield Earth: humans have basically reverted to hunter-gatherers; the sheer stupidity of one alien allows a single human to become hyper-intelligent, who in turn, gives this intelligence gift to more and more humans; they are treated poorly and therefore want to revolt; they attack the alien homeworld with a simple bit of uranium which ignites the alien-homeworld's entire atmosphere, killing everyone on the homeworld and dooming every alien elsewhere in the universe because they can't reproduce their atmospheric environment.
First of all because you say you're living in Japan and yet you post anonymously. (Not that a Slashdot name of "Hiro" is gonna make me think you're really living there or anything; I'm just frequently untrusting of anonymous authors making wild accusations on here.) Secondly, you make accusations but failed to provide any proof, for either the "false" press releases or the "truth" that came out afterwards.
Again, I'm not saying you made all of it up; I'm just asking for some proof from you to back up your claims.
The martian probe success rate is so bad that maybe space agencies should launch multiple smaller ones with the expectancy that some will fail to reach their destination than put all their hopes on one larger probe.
I know I've read about more than just micro/nano-technology for this too, but I can't find it in my bookmarks at the moment. Check out more NASA Institute for Advanced Concepts here.
Slashdot Mirror
...the twins came into being.
(note: yeah, bring on the comments about the perverts now... i don't care. They're legal! Woo hoo!)
The name "Pillars of Heracles (Hèracleiai stèlai)" was given by the ancients to a location which is usually identified with the Rock of Gibraltar and the facing Apes' Hill near Tangier, on either side of the strait of Gibraltar leading from the Mediterranean to the Atlantic Ocean. Meaning: Atlantis was on the other side of the strait of Gibraltar.
Obviously.... ... this is just a PR stunt by the Sci Fi Channel to hype their new series, Stargate: Atlantis.
Yeaahhhhh, no. Unless, of course, the SciFi Channel has been planning this television series for the past hundred years or so. Look around, there's another "scientist" that "discovers Atlantis" in a different part of the world every 3 months nowadays, and (who woulda thought) it NEVER fits the complete description from Plato.
The neatest thing about this, IMHO... would be if we discovered a very old, very advanced civilization that threw historians a curveball
Actually, that's EXACTLY what Atlantis was: a VERY old, VERY advanced civilization. They supposedly weren't as advanced as we are today, but they were FAR more advanced than the rest of the world was back in the day... and they existed 9000 years before Plato's time.
what if some ancient civilization was just as advanced as us but nuked themselves out of existence?
I've pondered this many times and I keep coming to the same conclusion: If this was true, we would have found SOME evidence of their existence by now. I highly doubt that any really technologically advanced civilization that could create an atomic bomb wouldn't expand their culture beyond a handful of cities. We should have found towers on mountains by now, no? I don't think it very likely that when they wiped themselves out, they destroyed every miniscule building they had ever created.
I know you meant this as a rhetorical question, but I'll bite anyways.
;-)
Q: how do they confirm it is atlantis?
A: When they find some artifacts in the vicinity and can carbon date them back from 9000 years ago. When they can find proof of the animals and/or technology that existed there according to the one-and-only document that even mentions the city.
Q: why can't their find of this ancient city stand on its own as exciting and important?
A: Because the human-race has this drive to solve puzzles and find proofs and explanations of any and everything. The city of Atlantis is no different from Noah's Ark, Solomon's Temple, Eden, or even the laws of physics; people will continually search for them until they find inexplicable proof (whether it exists or not) that they exist.
Q: why link it to a dubious unprovable myth
A: Short answer: in hopes of acquiring more research dollars.
And finally...
Q: maybe i'm stpid, but...
A: You are correct, because you can't spell "stupid".
And now, bring on the South Park jokes regarding Skuzzle-Butt...
I can see the face of Bin Laden
Let me guess: you're in the US Army and you are just trying to start this rumor in the hopes that you get relocated out of Iraq to the beautiful beaches of Spain, right?
It sounds like they ran fiber to all the dorm rooms just so they could say, "Hey! Look! We have fiber run to all the dorm rooms!"
Actually, they've had fiber running to all of the dorm rooms for close to 10 years now. I had a fiber connection my freshman year (1994).
The biggest problem that I realized was when I graduated and LEFT the campus and realized how crappy the rest of the world has it for an internet connection. (just a 56k modem for a couple years until they finally offered DSL in my neighborhood.) Hell, we used to download MP3s [and this is before they became popular; we always had to rip our own] and video porn in a matter of seconds. Now it takes minutes or hours!
The rarest thing in the universe isn't petroleum or gold or diamonds or iridium, it is life.
uhh... i'm not sure, but don't you need fossils in order to get fossil fuels?
I hate to sound so cliche, but it is the "final frontier".
Several hundred years ago they probably said the same thing about the Atlantic Ocean. The same was probably said about leaving the Fertile Crescent many thousands of year before that too....
There is still plenty of exploring to be done here on Earth (ie. deep ocean trences, rain forests). Granted, we would require space travel to explore other planets, but our physical universe isn't necessarily the last place to go spelunking. What about the possibility of extra dimensions and alternate realities that we can't even conceive of at this time?
Instead of missing that knock out punch Koolio could deliver you, and all your friends, beer all night long. You have this luxury 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. Find a human to do that.
OR, you could just put a cooler or mini-fridge in your living room.
Seriously, if you REALLY plan on sitting in front of the TV for an entire evening, without moving, what's the difference between loading up a mini-fridge and loading up a mini-fridge that has a computer, wireless internet card, wheels, etc... attached to it?
Yeah, this house runs fine-and-dandy in Malaysia, but what about other places where it's not so warm and sunny throughout the entire year?
I'm still holding out on someone to design a house that runs on cloudy skies and miserable winters. And maybe off of all the rock salt that can be scraped off of the bottom of my car too.
Sincerely,
Cleveland
but I'm pretty sure Who is on first.
Get it?!? The whole X and Y chromasome thing!?! HA HA HA!!! GET IT!?! GET IT!!!!
oh man... 28 hours [non-stop] of FreeCiv really messes with your head...
Anyone know if this is possible? (It's not listed in their channel guide but I was wondering if anyone might know of another name/channel it might be listed under... or any other channel like it.)
I used to leave the NASA channel on all of the time when I was living in my dorm in school... mainly just for the cool video-feeds they'd have from the space shuttles catching the Earth and stars beyond it.
How does the consumer become a loser in this situation?
If someone decides to buy a product that isn't standardized and becomes obsolete within a year or two, then it's their own fault. The average consumer won't purchase the technology until it has been proven in the market and can readily be found and purchased at a reasonable price.
If big corporations keep fighting over the new media format, I only see THEM as the losers... spending so much time/money/effort for something that the average consumer will NOT purchase.
Wow, can you find this raw footage and provide a hyperlink so I can check it out?
It's just that I'm having a rough time imagining sheep throwing spears, swinging swords, riding on the backs of oliphants, etc... and using a bow is just beyond my comprehension!
After he does the tuck, it still measures 7" out behind him.
aw geez... why did I put even a LITTLE bit of thought into that one...?
I don't get it.
Why would you want to upgrade your OS every 2 years when fixing OS flaws/security-issues and updating the software should keep you fairly up-to-date? (granted, noone _should_ still be using Win95 or 98 anymore... but that was 5 or more years ago.)
Q: What's brown and sits on a piano bench?
A: Beethoven's last movement.
Q: What's brown and sits in the woods?
A: Winnie's Pooh.
Anyone else read this review and think of Battlefield Earth?
Somewhat similar premise: One alien race dominates the universe. Other races don't think to rebel. Eventually humanity becomes the savior of everyone and everything.
And judging by this review, it sounds like it was written with the same amount of skill. And no, I'm not Trolling or bashing another book or am Offtopic.... I am being serious here.
In Battlefield Earth: humans have basically reverted to hunter-gatherers; the sheer stupidity of one alien allows a single human to become hyper-intelligent, who in turn, gives this intelligence gift to more and more humans; they are treated poorly and therefore want to revolt; they attack the alien homeworld with a simple bit of uranium which ignites the alien-homeworld's entire atmosphere, killing everyone on the homeworld and dooming every alien elsewhere in the universe because they can't reproduce their atmospheric environment.
Interesting, but I'm not quite biting yet.
First of all because you say you're living in Japan and yet you post anonymously. (Not that a Slashdot name of "Hiro" is gonna make me think you're really living there or anything; I'm just frequently untrusting of anonymous authors making wild accusations on here.) Secondly, you make accusations but failed to provide any proof, for either the "false" press releases or the "truth" that came out afterwards.
Again, I'm not saying you made all of it up; I'm just asking for some proof from you to back up your claims.
I know I've read about more than just micro/nano-technology for this too, but I can't find it in my bookmarks at the moment. Check out more NASA Institute for Advanced Concepts here.
One planet at a time, sir. One planet at a time.