Well, that's just it. The real problem is those who believe the story, not those who tell it. Attacking the messenger is not the solution. Go after the "I'll believe anything" audience.
A corporation's, or any other authority's "right to privacy" should be much more limited than it is. And even more obviously, we shouldn't be giving it rights as a person. What an absurd concept! But since we always try to put a human face on everything, from god on down, it seems inevitable. And vigilantism becomes inevitable when the confines of the law aren't applied equally and the system breaks down.
"Google probably de-lists anybody who doesn't offer to install a google toolbar or other similar junk(ad)ware like Earth, or Chrome." Maybe he did, but who could tell in that mess? I get as little as five results on searching for common errors messages. Google is not a search engine in the way most people think it is. Guess I gotta send out my own droids if I want it done right.
Yes, tell them, "We'll suck your dick if you bring back Futurama!" Try to get it. You all spoke the truth when you gave them your damn money. You all will give up anything to be dazzled by their shiny objects, and they are taking that to the bank.
Incorrect. Dig down a couple of layers and you will find we, and everybody else, only have one. One, that collude on prices, collect all data for government and the "market" (government, but I repeat myself), and control what you see. There can only be one. Things might change if we ever take conscious control of our governments. Until then, suck it up.
If you want any authority over me, then damn right it's my business. We have every right to know if you are abiding by the same rules you expect us to. Don't take it personally. I expect all people in a position of authority to give up their private lives, at least to the extent that we have to. Besides, government service is supposed to be exactly that, not a lifetime career position.
directly or indirectly -- on our system of information networks. They are increasingly the backbone of our economy and our infrastructure; our national security and our personal well-being."
And despite it all, he is totally unwilling to tell us we have the right to access. Just more bla bla bla..
Well golly gee! In "my" experience, idiots who resist rape and assault always seem shocked when they're met with force. Imagine that. I guess it's alright when the criminal is a cop.
Ah yes.. That makes it all okay. Tell me, what's a "decent" fraction? You know all that crap about "zero tolerance"? Well, on the authorities is the perfect, if not the only place to apply it. And who's going to court for the guy in a bad shooting? Has a single cop received the death penalty for it? Being an apologist for the cops makes you an ass.
Yes, you're right it's all about trust. And you shouldn't trust them any more than anybody else.. because of the public record you just mentioned. And you still don't know what else they haven't revealed. And unless they tell you, you never will, no matter what press release you see from them. As for their business model, it is an advertising platform, nothing else. All the other crap is a means to that end. They don't need our trust. They need the advertisers. So keep the faith. I'll be blocking their analytics and other data mining operations the best I can. I feel no obligation to prove anything. They have to prove their innocence, just like any other authority.
Translation: Google put on a believable show. They're in no position to fight anybody. Only to pay them off.
So one company has shown they will fight to protect your privacy until they are absolutely forced (Google didn't even hand information over to Brazil when a judge ordered them to do so initially), and they anonymize their logs sooner.
Yeah, and my unicorn shits gold ingots.
It is impossible to verify what they keep on some servers down in the basement. A "privacy policy" is completely religious in nature. It works on pure faith on our part.
What has become prolific is the amount of useless (read advertising) information consumed each day. And, ironically, we consume more paper (in our paperless society) than ever to print all this crap out. The bean counting business has never been better. Just another day in a bureaucrat's paradise...
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CmdrTaco, WTF?..
Waddya mean WTF? There's a potential revenue stream here. Like prospecting for oil.. Everybody's becoming a bit of an ad site.
Maybe you would prefer this?
A lot of people belived the story...
Well, that's just it. The real problem is those who believe the story, not those who tell it. Attacking the messenger is not the solution. Go after the "I'll believe anything" audience.
A corporation's, or any other authority's "right to privacy" should be much more limited than it is. And even more obviously, we shouldn't be giving it rights as a person. What an absurd concept! But since we always try to put a human face on everything, from god on down, it seems inevitable. And vigilantism becomes inevitable when the confines of the law aren't applied equally and the system breaks down.
Cruise the net while on Micky Dee's nationwide security camera
"Google probably de-lists anybody who doesn't offer to install a google toolbar or other similar junk(ad)ware like Earth, or Chrome." Maybe he did, but who could tell in that mess? I get as little as five results on searching for common errors messages. Google is not a search engine in the way most people think it is. Guess I gotta send out my own droids if I want it done right.
...it's just sticking your fingers in your ears shouting IT CAME FROM OUTER SPACE.
Um, where do you think the solar system and everything in it came from?
"...Join us and speak truth to power!"
Yes, tell them, "We'll suck your dick if you bring back Futurama!" Try to get it. You all spoke the truth when you gave them your damn money. You all will give up anything to be dazzled by their shiny objects, and they are taking that to the bank.
At least you guys have a choice of providers.
Incorrect. Dig down a couple of layers and you will find we, and everybody else, only have one. One, that collude on prices, collect all data for government and the "market" (government, but I repeat myself), and control what you see. There can only be one. Things might change if we ever take conscious control of our governments. Until then, suck it up.
Is this when advocacy rubs up against the law? Y'know, like, I'm all for it an' stuff, but it will work almost as well as a Disney or Sony boycott.
In a world where government represents commercial interests exclusively, the law has always been in the hands of the private sector.
Pocket change? More like pocket lint..
anarchyboy says, "How about a system where all legal aid is supplied say by the state." - I'm hip...
The fact of the matter is that justice is prohibitively expensive.
There is no justice. There is only law.
If you want any authority over me, then damn right it's my business. We have every right to know if you are abiding by the same rules you expect us to. Don't take it personally. I expect all people in a position of authority to give up their private lives, at least to the extent that we have to. Besides, government service is supposed to be exactly that, not a lifetime career position.
Why the extra "p"?
directly or indirectly -- on our system of information networks. They are increasingly the backbone of our economy and our infrastructure; our national security and our personal well-being."
And despite it all, he is totally unwilling to tell us we have the right to access. Just more bla bla bla..
Well golly gee! In "my" experience, idiots who resist rape and assault always seem shocked when they're met with force. Imagine that. I guess it's alright when the criminal is a cop.
...a decent fraction succeed...
Ah yes.. That makes it all okay. Tell me, what's a "decent" fraction? You know all that crap about "zero tolerance"? Well, on the authorities is the perfect, if not the only place to apply it. And who's going to court for the guy in a bad shooting? Has a single cop received the death penalty for it? Being an apologist for the cops makes you an ass.
Feather and bedding.
Nobody's gonna kill this cash cow, now, or any other spaceless time.
Yes, you're right it's all about trust. And you shouldn't trust them any more than anybody else.. because of the public record you just mentioned. And you still don't know what else they haven't revealed. And unless they tell you, you never will, no matter what press release you see from them. As for their business model, it is an advertising platform, nothing else. All the other crap is a means to that end. They don't need our trust. They need the advertisers. So keep the faith. I'll be blocking their analytics and other data mining operations the best I can. I feel no obligation to prove anything. They have to prove their innocence, just like any other authority.
As for your assertions, they're naive at best.
Google refused.
Translation: Google put on a believable show. They're in no position to fight anybody. Only to pay them off.
So one company has shown they will fight to protect your privacy until they are absolutely forced (Google didn't even hand information over to Brazil when a judge ordered them to do so initially), and they anonymize their logs sooner.
Yeah, and my unicorn shits gold ingots.
It is impossible to verify what they keep on some servers down in the basement. A "privacy policy" is completely religious in nature. It works on pure faith on our part.
The only joke that could be considered any worse is "Homeland Security". You have to be quite the fool to fall for any of it.
What has become prolific is the amount of useless (read advertising) information consumed each day. And, ironically, we consume more paper (in our paperless society) than ever to print all this crap out. The bean counting business has never been better. Just another day in a bureaucrat's paradise...
Remember the Alamo!!