The other difference is that ME was never intended to stick around forever, it was a stopgap. MS bet the farm on Vista. I am so happy to see them suffer! ---scott
Statistically, it's a lost cause for the spammers, they just don't realize it yet.
No, it's not. A tiny fraction of the email-receiving population (us) is capable of filtering spam effectively. The vast majority of users--I'm sure in excess of 99%--cannot. And Hotmail/Yahoo "bulk mail filters" only catch about 2/3 of the stuff, so I don't call them "effective".
Spam will be with us until it's no longer profitable for the spammers, or the legal risks of spamming are so impossibly high that it's just not worth it.
I spent the longest six months of my life working for Oracle. If Oracle Corp were a person, it would be the biggest ass you had ever met...and Larry presides over it all. They make a fine DB, but overall, the world would be a much nicer place without Oracle in it.
I'm running dual AMD-MP's, and everything works just great...rock solid indefinitely (at least, until a thunderstorm blinks the power out). FYI, here is my CFLAGS:
I did have trouble with this hardware when I first bought it...bad RAM. Bleeding edge XP/MP chips are very choosy about their RAM. After returning mine for RAM that passed my vendor's memtest86, only to have it still fail mine in a few locations, I resolved the problem by UNDERCLOCKING the chips just a hair (with soft-BIOS clocking, you can tweak it just a few cycles at a time). Now everything is rock-solid. But the point of this is...it wasn't the software causing the flakiness!
As soon as the USA PATRIOT Act was passed, I was left with a sinking feeling. A thorough reading of the text of the law confirmed my worst suspicions, and I aired them via several LUGS (see http://www.mlug.net/mlug-list/2001_Frames/msg01413.html).
Here's the original text of my post:
The so-called USA PATRIOT Act --- Q: How much would it cost to abolish the Fourth Amendment? A: About $3.3 billion.
Pardon my typical sarcasm, but the recent "anti-terrorism" legislation has me feeling a little cranky. I've reviewed the actual text of the Bill that was signed into law, and it inspired me to write the following to a friend... By the way, this friend had her souvenir belt buckle confiscated by airport security. I suppose she could have rapped someone on the knuckles with it... ---scott
My advice is to buy guns while it is still legal to do so, because at this rate there is going to be a revolution to return the US of A to its former constitutional-abiding self. Have you looked at the details of the new law that got passed (http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/Terrorism _militias/)? It's supposed to be for anti-terrorism, except when rational people discuss it they realize it won't help much for that, but guess what, it can be used like crazy against citizens. Sigh. Orwell's 1984 was just 17 years early, I guess. To summarize the parts of the Bill I find offensive:
- Increased provisions for the President and members of the Dept of Justice to ask the military to intervene in emergencies (who defines emergencies, and do you want the military acting against its own citizens?).
- The Secret Service has been directed to develop a national network of task forces for the purpose of detecting electronic crimes (which will require invasive monitoring).
- The President, and anyone he designates, has broader powers to seize the property of a foreign person, and by claiming that the reasons are "classified", avoid judicial review.
- The Bill marries the concept "terrorism" to the concept "computer fraud and abuse", giving similar monitoring powers and punishments for two very different categories of crime. (The two are not the same; computer fraud/abuse isn't anything near terrorism. People don't die. Buildings don't explode. Lives aren't shattered forever. Plus, as far as I know, no act of terrorism has yet employed any form of sophisticated computer use; the Gov't simply wants the ability to eavesdrop on whomever they wish under the guise of "looking for terrorists".)
- The foreign intelligence agencies can now share evidence with domestic law enforcement (intelligence agencies gather evidence using techniques that would not normally be admissible in court).
- Cable operators are now required to give records to the Gov't upon request. Strangely, it can't include information on what videos you watched (which presumably leaves just Internet activity).
- The Bill introduces many changes that more or less mandate that businesses turn over whatever info they have on your communication to the Gov't upon request.
- The Bill now allows search and seizure of any property without having a search warrant... the search warrant can be granted after the fact.
- The Bill now explicitly allows wiretapping (phone or computer) of a US Citizen for the purpose of protecting against "clandestine intelligence". The only restriction is that they can't monitor you based solely on what you have said or written (specifically, acts that would be protected under the first amendment); they are supposed to have some other tangible reason to wiretap you.
- Businesses are now required to turn over any records the FBI feels are necessary to protect against international terrorism or clandestine intelligence, and it's against the law to tell anyone about it.
- Any Federal court can issue a search warrant for electronic evidence without needing geographic jurisdiction. Pick your favorite judge.
- The Bill goes out of its way to absolve any electronic provider of wrongdoing. They want to make it as easy as possible for businesses to divulge information to them without fear of violating any laws. If they violate your rights while investigating someone else, too bad for you.
- The Secretary of Defense, Director of the CIA, and the Attorney General all enjoy the privilege of not needing to submit their intelligence reports to the Congressional committees that normally oversee such things until Feb, 2002, or later if they say it will impede their activities. There goes Congressional oversight, not that it mattered much after passing a bill like this.
- Just to make sure our civil rights haven't been violated, the Bill provides for ***one*** individual in the DOJ to track, record, and publish such abuses.
- Members of the law-abiding Sikh religion, whom to many look like members of the Islamic religion, have their own heartwarming (but meaningless) section in this Bill. I guess this is Congress's way of saying (by omission) "screw the law-abiding Moslems".
All that, and it only costs ***us taxpayers*** about 3.3 billion dollars to have these rights removed for us. Specifically, over the next five years:
$600,000,000: Tech support at FBI $100,000,000: INS and Customs tech improvements $200,000,000: Overtime for INS staff up to $30K/year. Let's just use this as a guess. $2,000,000: Feasibility study for fingerprint identification system $37,000,000: DOJ Illegal Immigrant Reform $150,000,000: Regional systems to share info between Fed, State, and local authorities. $250,000,000: Attorney General's "Cybersecurity Forensic Centers" $175,000,000: Aid to first responders $5,000,000: DEA training funds for police in Turkey and South & Central Asia $250,000 (yes, that's under a million): Airline access to the FBI's list of suspected terrorists $1,750,000,000: Various anti-terrorism grants $20,000,000: Critical infrastructure protection
As a sysadmin, I know how useful it is to simply look up WHOIS info to help resolve domain issues. However, I think there's lots to be said for privacy, too:
I operate a hobby domain. I have no contact info on the website. Once, someone took offense to something I said, and called me late on a Sunday night threatening legal action. I immediately nullified all my WHOIS info, except email addresses, to prevent that from happening again. From now on, if they want to complain, they can do so via email, and if things get really serious, they can find my physical address by subpoenaing the information from my ISP. ---scott
You may not like the process, but I have several Wrox books, including the first edition of the Apache book reviewed here, and all of them are excellent. When they use the marketing phrase "programmer-to-programmer", they really mean it. Wrox Rocks. ---scott
At a previous job, we struggled with this weighty issue. In the end, we used the names of mental illnesses for our firewall machines (paranoia is great for this), and the name of alcoholic beverages for the rest.
Just go with option 3. There's a reason why they have to pay more for #1 and #2. Since you're just starting out and are not sure whether you'll be a pro consultant for the rest of your life, why go thru the headache of setting up a corp and doing all the paperwork? Plus, I assure you the expenses of establishing and maintaining the corp will exceed $100...don't believe the ads you see.
And while this might seem laughable nowadays, there is still *some* additional security when you are an employee.
Actually, the US Constitution does guarantee the right to privacy. Specifically, in the 4th amendment, right where it says "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
As far as moving somewhere else goes: there *isn't* a better place to move, which is exactly why we want to prevent our government from moving us further down the slipperly slope we've been on these past few years (and especially since King Bush came into power).
Regarding the qmail licensing issue, here's the text of
http://lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html#license :
==========
qmail is copyrighted by the author, Dan Bernstein, and is not distributed
with a statement of user's rights. In http://cr.yp.to/softwarelaw.html, he
outlines what he thinks your rights are under U.S. copyright law. In
http://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html he grants the right to distribute qmail
source code. Binary distributions are allowed under the terms described there
and in http://cr.yp.to/qmail/var-qmail.html.
The bottom line is that you can use qmail for any purpose, you can
redistribute unmodified qmail source distributions and qualifying var-qmail
binary distributions, and you can distribute patches to qmail. You can't
distribute modified qmail source code or non-var-qmail binary distributions.
==========
Simply put, DJ Bernstein's opinion, backed by various legal rulings, is that
once you legally acquire possession of his (or anyone else's) software, no
license can bind you anyway. So he doesn't include one. The only time
enforceable laws come into play is during acquisition of the software, or
re-distribution of the software. DJ isn't placing restrictions on
acquisition; his primary concern is maintaining consistency of implementation
in any re-distributions of his work (and this extends beyond qmail, for more
on that see http://cr.yp.to/compatibility.html).
In my opinion, his public positions on copyright law and licensing are enough
"license" for me, and as it turns out, for other big companies too. I'm not
worried about getting into a pissing match with DJ; he's already proven he's
got big enough balls to sue the US Dept of Justice (see
http://www.eff.org/Legal/Cases/Bernstein_v_DoJ/) , but he hasn't sued any of
the thousands of qmail users to my knowledge. I simply choose to trust him.
I can't imagine admin'ing a farm if I had to use XML for the syntax. It would make life harder, not easier, not because XML syntax is any more or less complex, but simply because it's more verbose. Yuck! Unix has become the flexible tool it is today in part because "everything's a file". IMHO, XML takes simple text files one step closer to the dreaded MS registry.
I know for a fact there ARE many idiots out there. However, don't confuse an idiot with an intelligent person that: 1. May simply be inarticulate, or 2. Doesn't think quickly on their feet
How many times have you KNOWN in your gut that something was either right or wrong, but couldn't put your finger on "why"? Trust your instincts.
This brings up a subject I have been trying (unsuccessfully!) to get posted for days--in the Linux arena, what are the favorite intrusion detection packages, techniques, and tricks for you among the Slashdot community? I recently got DSL (yea!) and am setting up a server for some pet projects. I've "hardened" a copy of RH62, got my firewall in place, but there are so many choices for IDS...
Here's an nslookup on their mail servers and a conversation with it to try a few mail ID's. Unfortunately, it looks like their mail is a black hole with no bounces for bad accounts:
> set type=mx > mattel.com Server: comet.execpc.com Address: 204.29.202.6
Non-authoritative answer: mattel.compreference = 10, mail exchanger = mail3.pilot.net mattel.compreference = 20, mail exchanger = mail2.pilot.net mattel.compreference = 30, mail exchanger = mail.pilot.net
Authoritative answers can be found from: mattel.comnameserver = NS.pilot.net mattel.comnameserver = NS2.pilot.net mattel.comnameserver = NS3.pilot.net mail3.pilot.net internet address = 205.139.40.16 mail3.pilot.net internet address = 205.139.40.17 mail2.pilot.net internet address = 198.232.147.18 mail2.pilot.net internet address = 198.232.147.16 mail2.pilot.net internet address = 198.232.147.17 mail.pilot.net internet address = 198.232.147.18 mail.pilot.net internet address = 198.232.147.16 mail.pilot.net internet address = 198.232.147.17 NS.pilot.net internet address = 198.232.147.10 NS2.pilot.net internet address = 198.232.147.12 NS3.pilot.net internet address = 205.139.40.10 > exit [scott@virtual2 ~]$ telnet mail.pilot.net 25 Trying 198.232.147.16... Connected to mail.pilot.net. Escape character is '^]'. 220 mail01-oak.pilot.net ESMTP Sendmail; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:56:14 -0800 (PST) y helo 2tp.com 250 mail01-oak.pilot.net Hello scott@virtual2.execpc.com [169.207.2.36], pleaseu mail from: scott@2tp.com 250 scott@2tp.com... Sender ok rcpt to: jbarad@mattel.com 250 jbarad@mattel.com... Recipient ok rcpt to: jill.barad@mattel.com 250 jill.barad@mattel.com... Recipient ok rcpt to: anydumbass@mattel.com 250 anydumbass@mattel.com... Recipient ok quit
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If you believe this article, then I have some swamp-land in Florida I'd like to sell you...oh, wait...
---scott
Robocode in VB: http://scott-thomason.org/vbrobocode
I was an HD early-adopter, and now I have a $500 dead weight in my cabinet. Anybody need HD-player parts?
---scott
Robocode in VB: http://scott-thomason.org/vbrobocode
We wouldn't even need faster chips if they just removed the bloat from Windows!
---scott
Check out Robocode in VB.
The other difference is that ME was never intended to stick around forever, it was a stopgap. MS bet the farm on Vista. I am so happy to see them suffer!
---scott
Check out Robocode in VB: http://scott-thomason.org/vbrobocode
Amen. On the other hand, what are all those idle FireFox developers to do now that their baby is more-or-less perfect?
---scott
Check out Robocode in VB: http://scott-thomason.org/vbrobocode
Statistically, it's a lost cause for the spammers, they just don't realize it yet.
No, it's not. A tiny fraction of the email-receiving population (us) is capable of filtering spam effectively. The vast majority of users--I'm sure in excess of 99%--cannot. And Hotmail/Yahoo "bulk mail filters" only catch about 2/3 of the stuff, so I don't call them "effective".
Spam will be with us until it's no longer profitable for the spammers, or the legal risks of spamming are so impossibly high that it's just not worth it.
I spent the longest six months of my life working for Oracle. If Oracle Corp were a person, it would be the biggest ass you had ever met...and Larry presides over it all. They make a fine DB, but overall, the world would be a much nicer place without Oracle in it.
I'm running dual AMD-MP's, and everything works just great...rock solid indefinitely (at least, until a thunderstorm blinks the power out). FYI, here is my CFLAGS:
CFLAGS="-w -march=athlon-mp -O2 -pipe -ffast-math -fomit-frame-pointer -mfpmath=sse"
I did have trouble with this hardware when I first bought it...bad RAM. Bleeding edge XP/MP chips are very choosy about their RAM. After returning mine for RAM that passed my vendor's memtest86, only to have it still fail mine in a few locations, I resolved the problem by UNDERCLOCKING the chips just a hair (with soft-BIOS clocking, you can tweak it just a few cycles at a time). Now everything is rock-solid. But the point of this is...it wasn't the software causing the flakiness!
As soon as the USA PATRIOT Act was passed, I was left with a sinking feeling. A thorough reading of the text of the law confirmed my worst suspicions, and I aired them via several LUGS (see http://www.mlug.net/mlug-list/2001_Frames/msg01413 .html).
m _militias/)?
... the search warrant can be granted after the fact.
Here's the original text of my post:
The so-called USA PATRIOT Act
---
Q: How much would it cost to abolish the Fourth Amendment?
A: About $3.3 billion.
Pardon my typical sarcasm, but the recent "anti-terrorism" legislation has me feeling a little cranky. I've reviewed the actual text of the
Bill that was signed into law, and it inspired me to write the following to a friend... By the way, this friend had her souvenir belt buckle confiscated by airport security. I suppose she could have rapped someone on the knuckles with it...
---scott
My advice is to buy guns while it is still legal to do so, because at this rate there is going to be a revolution to return the US of A to its former constitutional-abiding self. Have you looked at the details of the new law that got passed (http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/Terroris
It's supposed to be for anti-terrorism, except when rational people discuss it they realize it won't help much for that, but guess what, it can be used like crazy against citizens. Sigh. Orwell's 1984 was just 17 years early, I guess. To summarize the parts of the Bill I find offensive:
- Increased provisions for the President and members of the Dept of Justice to ask the military to intervene in emergencies (who defines emergencies, and do you want the military acting against its own citizens?).
- The Secret Service has been directed to develop a national network of task forces for the purpose of detecting electronic crimes (which will require invasive monitoring).
- The President, and anyone he designates, has broader powers to seize the property of a foreign person, and by claiming that the reasons are "classified", avoid judicial review.
- The Bill marries the concept "terrorism" to the concept "computer fraud and abuse", giving similar monitoring powers and punishments for two very different categories of crime. (The two are not the same; computer fraud/abuse isn't anything near terrorism. People don't die. Buildings don't explode. Lives aren't shattered forever. Plus, as far as I know, no act of terrorism has yet employed any form of sophisticated computer use; the Gov't simply wants the ability to eavesdrop on whomever they wish under the guise of "looking for terrorists".)
- The foreign intelligence agencies can now share evidence with domestic law enforcement (intelligence agencies gather evidence using techniques that would not normally be admissible in court).
- Cable operators are now required to give records to the Gov't upon request. Strangely, it can't include information on what videos you watched (which presumably leaves just Internet activity).
- The Bill introduces many changes that more or less mandate that businesses turn over whatever info they have on your communication to the Gov't upon request.
- The Bill now allows search and seizure of any property without having a search warrant
- The Bill now explicitly allows wiretapping (phone or computer) of a US Citizen for the purpose of protecting against "clandestine intelligence". The only restriction is that they can't monitor you based solely on what you have said or written (specifically, acts that would be protected under the first amendment); they are supposed to have some other tangible reason to wiretap you.
- Businesses are now required to turn over any records the FBI feels are necessary to protect against international terrorism or clandestine intelligence, and it's against the law to tell anyone about it.
- Any Federal court can issue a search warrant for electronic evidence without needing geographic jurisdiction. Pick your favorite judge.
- The Bill goes out of its way to absolve any electronic provider of wrongdoing. They want to make it as easy as possible for businesses to divulge information to them without fear of violating any laws. If they violate your rights while investigating someone else, too bad for you.
- The Secretary of Defense, Director of the CIA, and the Attorney General all enjoy the privilege of not needing to submit their intelligence reports to the Congressional committees that normally oversee such things until Feb, 2002, or later if they say it will impede their activities. There goes Congressional oversight, not that it mattered much after passing a bill like this.
- Just to make sure our civil rights haven't been violated, the Bill provides for ***one*** individual in the DOJ to track, record, and publish such abuses.
- Members of the law-abiding Sikh religion, whom to many look like members of the Islamic religion, have their own heartwarming (but meaningless) section in this Bill. I guess this is Congress's way of saying (by omission) "screw the law-abiding Moslems".
All that, and it only costs ***us taxpayers*** about 3.3 billion dollars to have these rights removed for us. Specifically, over the next five years:
$600,000,000: Tech support at FBI
$100,000,000: INS and Customs tech improvements
$200,000,000: Overtime for INS staff up to $30K/year. Let's just use this as a guess.
$2,000,000: Feasibility study for fingerprint identification system
$37,000,000: DOJ Illegal Immigrant Reform
$150,000,000: Regional systems to share info between Fed, State, and local authorities.
$250,000,000: Attorney General's "Cybersecurity Forensic Centers"
$175,000,000: Aid to first responders
$5,000,000: DEA training funds for police in Turkey and South & Central Asia
$250,000 (yes, that's under a million): Airline access to the FBI's list of suspected terrorists
$1,750,000,000: Various anti-terrorism grants
$20,000,000: Critical infrastructure protection
As a sysadmin, I know how useful it is to simply look up WHOIS info to help resolve domain issues. However, I think there's lots to be said for privacy, too:
I operate a hobby domain. I have no contact info on the website. Once, someone took offense to something I said, and called me late on a Sunday night threatening legal action. I immediately nullified all my WHOIS info, except email addresses, to prevent that from happening again. From now on, if they want to complain, they can do so via email, and if things get really serious, they can find my physical address by subpoenaing the information from my ISP.
---scott
You may not like the process, but I have several Wrox books, including the first edition of the Apache book reviewed here, and all of them are excellent. When they use the marketing phrase "programmer-to-programmer", they really mean it. Wrox Rocks.
---scott
At a previous job, we struggled with this weighty issue. In the end, we used the names of mental illnesses for our firewall machines (paranoia is great for this), and the name of alcoholic beverages for the rest.
Just go with option 3. There's a reason why they have to pay more for #1 and #2. Since you're just starting out and are not sure whether you'll be a pro consultant for the rest of your life, why go thru the headache of setting up a corp and doing all the paperwork? Plus, I assure you the expenses of establishing and maintaining the corp will exceed $100...don't believe the ads you see.
And while this might seem laughable nowadays, there is still *some* additional security when you are an employee.
Perhaps the guy just realized M$ was a bad place for a security professional to hang out?
Actually, the US Constitution does guarantee the right to privacy. Specifically, in the 4th amendment, right where it says "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
As far as moving somewhere else goes: there *isn't* a better place to move, which is exactly why we want to prevent our government from moving us further down the slipperly slope we've been on these past few years (and especially since King Bush came into power).
Regarding the qmail licensing issue, here's the text of
) , but he hasn't sued any of
http://lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html#license :
==========
qmail is copyrighted by the author, Dan Bernstein, and is not distributed
with a statement of user's rights. In http://cr.yp.to/softwarelaw.html, he
outlines what he thinks your rights are under U.S. copyright law. In
http://cr.yp.to/qmail/dist.html he grants the right to distribute qmail
source code. Binary distributions are allowed under the terms described there
and in http://cr.yp.to/qmail/var-qmail.html.
The bottom line is that you can use qmail for any purpose, you can
redistribute unmodified qmail source distributions and qualifying var-qmail
binary distributions, and you can distribute patches to qmail. You can't
distribute modified qmail source code or non-var-qmail binary distributions.
==========
Simply put, DJ Bernstein's opinion, backed by various legal rulings, is that
once you legally acquire possession of his (or anyone else's) software, no
license can bind you anyway. So he doesn't include one. The only time
enforceable laws come into play is during acquisition of the software, or
re-distribution of the software. DJ isn't placing restrictions on
acquisition; his primary concern is maintaining consistency of implementation
in any re-distributions of his work (and this extends beyond qmail, for more
on that see http://cr.yp.to/compatibility.html).
In my opinion, his public positions on copyright law and licensing are enough
"license" for me, and as it turns out, for other big companies too. I'm not
worried about getting into a pissing match with DJ; he's already proven he's
got big enough balls to sue the US Dept of Justice (see
http://www.eff.org/Legal/Cases/Bernstein_v_DoJ/
the thousands of qmail users to my knowledge. I simply choose to trust him.
I can't imagine admin'ing a farm if I had to use XML for the syntax. It would make life harder, not easier, not because XML syntax is any more or less complex, but simply because it's more verbose. Yuck! Unix has become the flexible tool it is today in part because "everything's a file". IMHO, XML takes simple text files one step closer to the dreaded MS registry.
I know for a fact there ARE many idiots out there. However, don't confuse an idiot with an intelligent person that:
1. May simply be inarticulate, or
2. Doesn't think quickly on their feet
How many times have you KNOWN in your gut that something was either right or wrong, but couldn't put your finger on "why"? Trust your instincts.
This brings up a subject I have been trying (unsuccessfully!) to get posted for days--in the Linux arena, what are the favorite intrusion detection packages, techniques, and tricks for you among the Slashdot community? I recently got DSL (yea!) and am setting up a server for some pet projects. I've "hardened" a copy of RH62, got my firewall in place, but there are so many choices for IDS...
In case you're trying to email the executives at Mattel, here's some info you can use:
The list of directors and officers is at http://www.mattel.com/corporate/ company/investors/
Here's an nslookup on their mail servers and a conversation with it to try a few mail ID's. Unfortunately, it looks like their mail is a black hole with no bounces for bad accounts:
[scott@virtual2 ~]$ nslookup
Default Server: comet.execpc.com
Address: 204.29.202.6
> set type=mx
> mattel.com
Server: comet.execpc.com
Address: 204.29.202.6
Non-authoritative answer:
mattel.compreference = 10, mail exchanger = mail3.pilot.net
mattel.compreference = 20, mail exchanger = mail2.pilot.net
mattel.compreference = 30, mail exchanger = mail.pilot.net
Authoritative answers can be found from:
mattel.comnameserver = NS.pilot.net
mattel.comnameserver = NS2.pilot.net
mattel.comnameserver = NS3.pilot.net
mail3.pilot.net internet address = 205.139.40.16
mail3.pilot.net internet address = 205.139.40.17
mail2.pilot.net internet address = 198.232.147.18
mail2.pilot.net internet address = 198.232.147.16
mail2.pilot.net internet address = 198.232.147.17
mail.pilot.net internet address = 198.232.147.18
mail.pilot.net internet address = 198.232.147.16
mail.pilot.net internet address = 198.232.147.17
NS.pilot.net internet address = 198.232.147.10
NS2.pilot.net internet address = 198.232.147.12
NS3.pilot.net internet address = 205.139.40.10
> exit
[scott@virtual2 ~]$ telnet mail.pilot.net 25
Trying 198.232.147.16...
Connected to mail.pilot.net.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 mail01-oak.pilot.net ESMTP Sendmail; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:56:14 -0800 (PST) y
helo 2tp.com
250 mail01-oak.pilot.net Hello scott@virtual2.execpc.com [169.207.2.36], pleaseu
mail from: scott@2tp.com
250 scott@2tp.com... Sender ok
rcpt to: jbarad@mattel.com
250 jbarad@mattel.com... Recipient ok
rcpt to: jill.barad@mattel.com
250 jill.barad@mattel.com... Recipient ok
rcpt to: anydumbass@mattel.com
250 anydumbass@mattel.com... Recipient ok
quit