P.S.: I think there are a few more OSS projects that built the internet, but the the BSD TCP/IP stack *was*(*is*?) the internet!
P.P.S.: And for those idiots that think that Internet is only the Web, the NCSA browser was open source, and just check the "About" menu in IE, and tell me what you find there? more open source, even in the core of M$ products:)
P.P.P.S.:Of course that if you are reading/. you already know all this, right?
I think JWZ hit the nail in the head, who in hell would want something like this? What a waste of money...
I had my own "conspiration theory", that also assumed that the money comes from M$, contrary to what most of the idiots in/. thinks, you can bet anything that M$ makes money out of each X-Box sold(you think the price for components is the same in 10k units orders as what you pay for your pc? not to mention that the price of a 600Mz *Celeron* + 10Gb(or was 20?) HD is quite minimal this days...
This is a nice way to get publicity, plus increase market share... plus get some stupid OS *zealots* like me to waste time thinking about it...
Of course, "never assume to evil what can be explained with stupidity"(or something like that), and never sub-estimate the stupidity of rich people...
Personally, I'm much more interested in this: http://playstation2-linux.com But by the time I have some spare time for look into this, I will be able to buy the PS3, running linux out of the box;)
I don't care if some one else chooses a distro for me, sure I'll reinstall whatever I like.
I want a Linux pre-loaded laptop because:
- I don't want to pay the MS tax(I don't like to be forced to buy something I don't want) - I will know for sure that all the hardware is supported
I'm looking for a nice pre-installed laptop, I really love ThinkPads, but seems that I'll have to buy something else...
Is any big brand still offering preinstalled linux laptops?
\\Uriel
P.S.: For all of you who says that Linux in the desktop make no sense, all the desktops in my company run Linux, everything works fine, I can do all my sysadmin work from home with SSH, and I don't need to worry about people running into viruses and installing loads of trash.
Even my boss is happier because people don't waste so much time with ICQ and MSM... (of course they could use Jabber, or some clone, but they haven't figured that out yet;))
Not to mention the money saved in licenses and that we don't need to worry about the BSA any more...
Please, ignore him, it's obvious just a great troll that have no idea what he is talking about... his new company is a M$ "partner"(slave), so who really cares what he says any more...?
Continue your great work, Mozilla rocks, and lots of people like me (and the company I work for)really depend on it completely...(at home right now I only run FreeBSD, and at the office we only run Linux on all desktops).
I love your work, IMHO mozilla is one of the most important pieces of software out there, and if any browser deserves to own more than 90% of the market share, that should be a browser that: 1) Is open source, 2) Is very standards compliant, 3) Is cross platform. And Mozilla fulfills all this requirements very well, so, let's wait some more years, as people realize that MS is just screwing them up, and that there is no reason not to use Open/Free Software instead, things will start to change...
Mozilla will be the next Apache, and that day, the web will be really free... as it was meant to be from the beginning.
Once again, thank you very much to all Netscape developers working on Mozilla, you all rock!
When I had more free time, I liked to hang at irc.mozilla.org and help in whatever I could, I had a very nice time there, and everybody there was very nice and friendly, I try to attend to as many Euro-meetzillas as possible, all the Mozilla community is great, and I fell proud that I have helped a (very)little bit to it...
Anyone who likes mozilla and have some free time should go to irc.mozilla.org #mozillazine, there are always things anybody can help with(bug work, answer questions, learn more...), you will have lots of fun, and it feels great to help create the best browser ever, even if you only help a very little bit, all little bits count, and makes you feel great to think that you have contributed to this incredible pice of software...
Hi, here is what I wrote, just in case anybody finds it useful, BTW, I thought that the Zaurus was pretty cool, and was thinking of maybe buying one, you can be sure that now I will think it twice before doing so... I'm really pissed of...
And for some one who said that it was the fault of the web designer and not the company itself, a company should take care that *his* web site follows the web standards and support all platforms and browsers, of course they are free to don't do it, but then they will piss off people like me that instead of promote their cool products will spread as much bad press for them as possible...
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To: webmaster@sharpelectronics.com Subject: Can't access sharpelectronics.com with Mozilla, Netscape 6 or Opera
Hi
I was interested in the new Sharp Zaurus SL-5500, but my access was denied to sharpelectronics.com using any of the following browsers available for my platform(FreeBSD): Mozilla, Netscape 6 and Opera.
Internet Explorer and Netscape 4.x don't exist for my platform, so I'm completely unable to access the your site.
Please, fix your site so it's accessible by any browser that follows the web standards(http://w3.org)
Thanks
\\Uriel
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And don't forget to report this kind of problems at http:\\bugzilla.mozilla.org as "Evangelism" bugs, visit http://mozilla-evangelism.bclary.com/ for more info...
And here is the bug for "http://www.sharp-usa.com/" (that seems like it's the same as sharpelectronics.com): http://bugzilla.mozilla.or g/show_bug.cgi?id=63915
Best wishes
\\Uriel
P.S.: And I know that seems that Konkeror is supported, and that I can change the user agent, but I shouldn't need to do that! If a web site follows the w3c standards it should work on all browsers that also follows the standards, and there is no excuse to not follow the standard, period
Please, ignore him(them?)... somebody that writes like that don't deserve to even be answered to... and he talks about showing some respect... *sigh*
Your posts have been the most interesting I have read in /. in a long time... it's nice to see that there are some people here that know what they are talking about... thanks.
michael: FYI the media terminal *was launched by the end of 2001*, I live in Sweden, and they
have been selling for quite a while now.
We also had a demo of the new version, that will be launched in 2 weeks or so, in the FOSDEM, at
the Mozilla developers room, it was really great, it runs Linux(2.4.10+ I think), uses an embedded
version of mozilla as browser(0.9.5+, and will be upgraded automatically to 1.0 when it's released),
have 2 USB, 2 FireWire, 1 PCMCIA, Ethernet, and I don't remember what else, but it was really cool...
(full specs here: http://www.nokia.com/multimedia/tech_specs.html)
I don't have a TV, so I doubt I'll buy one, but you can be sure that it will take very short
time to be hacked, also almost all(if not all) the software it runs it's opensource, and you
can find it at: https://www.ostdev.net/(I think they are
going to release even more software there in the very near future)
A really cool project, that uses opensource software... <rant>ah, sorry, I forgot that this
days slashdot is full of M$ zealots that run WinXP/IE and think that in linux you have to do
"./configure; make; make install" to install anything(have you heard of RedCarpet? that makes
me think.... RedCarpet/Ximian desktop for the MediaTerminal? that could be cool...(not for me,
of course;) )</rant>
[End rambling, back on topic ]
I think it's great that somebody is doing something like this, have in mind that this
will compete directly with the next version of the X-Box(HomeStation or whatever it's
going to be called), and I really prefer to see people using a product based on opensource
(so I can hack it if I want) than having to run windows on their TV(<troll>anyone wants to get
a BSOD in the middle of his favorite movie;) </troll>, ah, and one last thing, the person
from nokia(hi Magnus!) that made the presentation, said that they are going to release xDSL modems
for it, that means that this modems will have drivers for Linux, something that in the past was a really
big problem... in resume(I have to go back to work!) this is a "Very good thing(tm)" and
anybody that cares about open source should be happy that it exists..(even if like me, many
of us aren't probably going to ever use it, after all, we don't have a life, right?;)
\\Uriel
P.S.: I use FreeBSD with Ion instead of any desktop, but it's really funny
to see people complaining that linux is hard to use when even a 3 years
old could install RedHat(in my experience much easier than installing any
WinXX)
P.P.S.: Hmmm. I think in the end it could be useful for me: a Plan9 CPU or file server...
and I could mount the TV screen(if I had one) from my Plan9 termianl;)
"A Critique of the BitKeeper License" by Jack Moff
on
Linus Tries Out BitKeeper
·
· Score: 5, Informative
I found very interesting a document from Jack Moffitt
(of xiph.org fame, one of the main Ogg developers
and one of the Icecast Core Developers), about
some problems he had with the BK license when he was using it for hosting Icecast:
As someone else have already pointed, may be you should try to validate your CSS.
And "Fully Compliant XHTML 1.0 Transitional", means nothing,
you aren't supposed to make new pages using Transitional,
try to make it compliant with XHTML 1.0 Strict...
Anybody that knows a bit about CSS and HTML will tell you how much better
support for them Mozilla have.
Does IE already support CSS1?
I remember when some one from MS said that they would never support
100% CSS1, because "no body really want it", that one was funny..
And how much of CSS2 do they support?
:after,:before pseudo classes and "content" attribute?
No
All the table formating options?
No
etc..
I have a big respect for you, I have read some very interesting comments written by you,
but I think you should check your facts better before spreading this kind of FUD, you may
prefer IE, but it's an accepted fact that the standards support in Mozilla is very superior
to IE. (and I don't mean that Mozilla is perfect, I should know, I helped to run hundreds
of CSS test in Mozilla a while a go)
Best regards
\\Uriel
P.S.: Please, let me know when IE is ported to
FreeBSD so I can look at your page, or may be you will fix it first?
I haven't sleep for nearly 24 hours, so I think this is going to be a bit of a random rambling... but I have to try...
I understand that some people is very worried when some big companies get together to create some kind of universal authentication system...
But I think that at least some of the bashing against the "Liberty Alliance Project", especially based in the bad track of mega-corporation behavior of some of the members, is forgetting that there are also other members, like:
(from: http://www.projectliberty.org/chartermembers.html) - the Apache Software Foundation
- CollabNet
- O'Reilly & Associates
All this organizations have done a great job developing and promoting Open source and Free software.
Please, before bashing look more carefully at what are you bashing.
And of course we should always be careful when considering the movements of big corporations, but I think this is a big opportunity for all the people who wants to maintain
a free Internet, don't just discard it because you don't like some of the people promoting it.
Best regards
\\Uriel
P.S.: Now we only need that Freenet, OpenBSD, Debian, Xiph, FreeBSD, NetBSD, FSF, Internet Software Consortium, Gnome foundation, etc. join the project, and then thy have my permission to take over the world;)
P.P.S.: Seriously, it would be great to see Debian, FSF and ISC joining, and some Linux distributions wouldn't hurt either...
About the play list editor, from the WinAMP 3Beta page(http://winamp.com/nsdn/winamp3x/):
Playlist Editor:
Along with the usual world class MP3 playback, Winamp 3 is now equipped with quite possibly the world's most advanced playlist editor. It intelligently scans selected directories for media and maintains them in an insanely fast XML-based database wherein you can associate an indefinite number of user-defined attributes to each element. You can then quickly query the database for any attribute, such as album, artist and genre. Attributes are not limited to the data contained within the ID3 information, though. You will be able to associate pictures and/or Winamp commands as attributes. For instance, you could display a CD cover or start a specific visualization every time a certain song began play. The possibilities are endless, and the ability for Component crosstalk means the playlist editor will only grow more powerful as time goes by.
Sounds really nice... I wish I could try it, sad that they don't have a FreeBSD version, I'll need to try to run it with binary emulation latter...
I wish that they make it Open Source some day, AOL already supports Mozilla, so why not also opensource WinAMP?
That would allow more ports to other Free and non Free *NIXs, and I'm sure it would create a great development community.
BTW: Other great player is s.q.u.e.l.c.h(http://www.geoid.clara.net/rik/squel ch.html), haves a very nice Play List editor, and is very KISS, the only downside it that only plays Vorbis, but I already only use Vorbis any way...
> 1) There isnt a single windowmanager for Linux that makes anyone's life simpler.
Try Ion and Larswm:
http://www.students.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/
http://www.fnurt.net/larswm/
The only really usable window managers I have ever seen, it takes some time to get used to them, but once you learn to use them, you can't come back to a normal wm...
Wow!! one of the greatest Mozilla Hackers answers to my post! I can't believe it!:)
> Netscape6 is just Mozilla with a few doodads. Thus, most of its source IS open
I can't know exactly what changes they made to the source(e.g. I dunno if they added spyware to it) so it isn't open.
> Also, since 90% of Mozilla development is done by the Netscape engineers, it's not fair to bash AOL-the-company and praise Mozilla in the same breath.
IMHO "Netscape engineers" != AOL-the-company, you know that many NS engineers disagree with how NS6 has been released... and you know that many of them disagree with the decisions of the PDT.
I'm thankful to AOL for their support of the Mozilla project BUT I disagree in many things with what they did with NS6.
I admire all the Mozilla Hackers the same, I don't care who they work for, they all are the soul of the Mozilla community; AOL-the-company isn't part of the Mozilla community, it's just a external contributor;). And IMHO parts of AOL-the-company hurt Mozilla, e.g. PDT.
Mozilla should stop depending of AOL/NS, ASAP. If AOL/NS stop supporting Mozilla some one else will continue the work...
I didn't mean to bash the NS engineers, I just don't like NS6 the browser.
That's just my opinion... I may probably be wrong.
Best regards and continue the good work, you rock!
I don't understand why slashdot readers insist on use and bash Netscape, a closed source browser full of AOL crap... may be it's related with the fact that the majority of slashdot readers use Windows and IE...
Just forget Netscape, we have Mozilla, we don't need Netscape anymore.
And for those people that pretend that IE is better than Mozilla:
- I want a browser that is standards compliant. If you don't care about standards you are like Mico$oft... standards make the developer life easier, products with broken standards support make the developer life a nightmare.
- I can't run IE in my Linux and BSD boxes.
- I want many Mozilla features that IE and NS don't have(ie banner blocking.)
- I don't trust the security of Micro$oft products. If I can't have the source, I don't trust it.
- I love Free Software, and I love the Mozilla people.
IMHO there is no reason to use NS[4.x|6] instead of Mozilla. If your computer have limited resources use moz-embed, only 2Mb download and only gets 11Mb of
RAM(even less than the part of IE that isn't loaded with Windows).
> The MS JVM was last updated a couple of weeks ago
> It was on WindowsUpdate (not hidden away like the security updates often are).
<irony>
May be they made it even more compatible and secure.
</irony>
> I've recently started playing about with CSS and Mozilla is fucking up the most basic stuff.
I want to know what "basic stuff" is, may be the IE proprietary extensions? IE didn't even suport many of the CSS1 properties, and Mozilla suport the complete CSS1 spec (only very few small bugs remain) and the major part of the CSS2.
You have no idea what CSS is. Mozilla CSS implmentation isn't perfect, but it's the more standards compliant...
Slashdot Mirror
You can always run linux on it:
:))
http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/sony.html
But wish I could buy it with linux preinstalled...
I hate to pay for what I don't use(eg, a Windows license
\\Uriel
Please mod parent up, I'm in exactly the same situation!
I'm still dreaming of the day I can buy a Vaio PictureBook
preloaded with linux... *sight*
I wish that at least IBM started offering Linux as an option
for *ALL* their thinkpads.
\\Uriel
If you want an Open Source(BSD style license), multi-platform 3D modeler, check out Wings 3D(http://www.wings3d.com/
\\Uriel
Don't forget the BSD TCP/IP stack!!
:)
/. you already know
BTW: great slogan, I agree they should use it.
Best wishes
\\Uriel
P.S.: I think there are a few more OSS projects that built the
internet, but the the BSD TCP/IP stack *was*(*is*?) the internet!
P.P.S.: And for those idiots that think that Internet is only the
Web, the NCSA browser was open source, and just check the "About"
menu in IE, and tell me what you find there? more open source,
even in the core of M$ products
P.P.P.S.:Of course that if you are reading
all this, right?
I think JWZ hit the nail in the head, who in hell would want
/. thinks, you can bet anything that M$ makes money out
;)
something like this? What a waste of money...
I had my own "conspiration theory", that also assumed that
the money comes from M$, contrary to what most of the idiots
in
of each X-Box sold(you think the price for components is the
same in 10k units orders as what you pay for your pc? not to
mention that the price of a 600Mz *Celeron* + 10Gb(or was 20?)
HD is quite minimal this days...
This is a nice way to get publicity, plus increase market share...
plus get some stupid OS *zealots* like me to waste time thinking
about it...
Of course, "never assume to evil what can be explained with
stupidity"(or something like that), and never sub-estimate the
stupidity of rich people...
Personally, I'm much more interested in this:
http://playstation2-linux.com
But by the time I have some spare time for look into this, I will
be able to buy the PS3, running linux out of the box
\\Uriel
I don't care if some one else chooses a distro for me,
;))
sure I'll reinstall whatever I like.
I want a Linux pre-loaded laptop because:
- I don't want to pay the MS tax(I don't like to be forced to buy
something I don't want)
- I will know for sure that all the hardware is supported
I'm looking for a nice pre-installed laptop, I really love ThinkPads,
but seems that I'll have to buy something else...
Is any big brand still offering preinstalled linux laptops?
\\Uriel
P.S.: For all of you who says that Linux in the desktop make no sense,
all the desktops in my company run Linux, everything works fine, I can
do all my sysadmin work from home with SSH, and I don't need to worry
about people running into viruses and installing loads of trash.
Even my boss is happier because people don't waste so much time with
ICQ and MSM... (of course they could use Jabber, or some clone, but
they haven't figured that out yet
Not to mention the money saved in licenses and that we don't need to
worry about the BSA any more...
Please, ignore him, it's obvious just a great troll that have no idea
what he is talking about... his new company is a M$ "partner"(slave),
so who really cares what he says any more...?
Continue your great work, Mozilla rocks, and lots of people like me
(and the company I work for)really depend on it completely...(at home
right now I only run FreeBSD, and at the office we only run Linux on
all desktops).
I love your work, IMHO mozilla is one of the most important pieces of
software out there, and if any browser deserves to own more than 90%
of the market share, that should be a browser that: 1) Is open source,
2) Is very standards compliant, 3) Is cross platform. And Mozilla
fulfills all this requirements very well, so, let's wait some more
years, as people realize that MS is just screwing them up, and that
there is no reason not to use Open/Free Software instead, things will
start to change...
Mozilla will be the next Apache, and that day, the web will be really
free... as it was meant to be from the beginning.
Once again, thank you very much to all Netscape developers working
on Mozilla, you all rock!
When I had more free time, I liked to hang at irc.mozilla.org and help
in whatever I could, I had a very nice time there, and everybody there
was very nice and friendly, I try to attend to as many Euro-meetzillas
as possible, all the Mozilla community is great, and I fell proud that
I have helped a (very)little bit to it...
Anyone who likes mozilla and have some free time should go to irc.mozilla.org
#mozillazine, there are always things anybody can help with(bug work,
answer questions, learn more...), you will have lots of fun, and it feels
great to help create the best browser ever, even if you only help a very
little bit, all little bits count, and makes you feel great to think that
you have contributed to this incredible pice of software...
Thank you and best wishes
\\Uriel
Hi, here is what I wrote, just in case anybody finds it
r g/show_bug.cgi?id=63915
useful, BTW, I thought that the Zaurus was pretty cool,
and was thinking of maybe buying one, you can be sure that
now I will think it twice before doing so... I'm really
pissed of...
And for some one who said that it was the fault of the web
designer and not the company itself, a company should take
care that *his* web site follows the web standards and
support all platforms and browsers, of course they are
free to don't do it, but then they will piss off people
like me that instead of promote their cool products will
spread as much bad press for them as possible...
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To: webmaster@sharpelectronics.com
Subject: Can't access sharpelectronics.com with Mozilla, Netscape 6 or Opera
Hi
I was interested in the new Sharp Zaurus SL-5500,
but my access was denied to sharpelectronics.com
using any of the following browsers available for
my platform(FreeBSD): Mozilla, Netscape 6 and Opera.
Internet Explorer and Netscape 4.x don't exist for my
platform, so I'm completely unable to access the your
site.
Please, fix your site so it's accessible by any
browser that follows the web standards(http://w3.org)
Thanks
\\Uriel
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And don't forget to report this kind of problems at
http:\\bugzilla.mozilla.org as "Evangelism" bugs,
visit http://mozilla-evangelism.bclary.com/ for more
info...
And here is the bug for "http://www.sharp-usa.com/"
(that seems like it's the same as sharpelectronics.com):
http://bugzilla.mozilla.o
Best wishes
\\Uriel
P.S.: And I know that seems that Konkeror is supported, and
that I can change the user agent, but I shouldn't need to do
that! If a web site follows the w3c standards it should work
on all browsers that also follows the standards, and
there is no excuse to not follow the standard, period
Please, ignore him(them?)... somebody that writes like that don't
deserve to even be answered to... and he talks about showing
some respect... *sigh*
Your posts have been the most interesting I have read in
/. in a long time... it's nice to see that there are some
people here that know what they are talking about... thanks.
Best wishes
\\Uriel
Hi
;) )</rant>
;) </troll>, ah, and one last thing, the person ;)
;)
michael: FYI the media terminal *was launched by the end of 2001*, I live in Sweden, and they
have been selling for quite a while now.
We also had a demo of the new version, that will be launched in 2 weeks or so, in the FOSDEM, at
the Mozilla developers room, it was really great, it runs Linux(2.4.10+ I think), uses an embedded
version of mozilla as browser(0.9.5+, and will be upgraded automatically to 1.0 when it's released),
have 2 USB, 2 FireWire, 1 PCMCIA, Ethernet, and I don't remember what else, but it was really cool...
(full specs here: http://www.nokia.com/multimedia/tech_specs.html)
I don't have a TV, so I doubt I'll buy one, but you can be sure that it will take very short
time to be hacked, also almost all(if not all) the software it runs it's opensource, and you
can find it at: https://www.ostdev.net/(I think they are
going to release even more software there in the very near future)
A really cool project, that uses opensource software... <rant>ah, sorry, I forgot that this
days slashdot is full of M$ zealots that run WinXP/IE and think that in linux you have to do
"./configure; make; make install" to install anything(have you heard of RedCarpet? that makes
me think.... RedCarpet/Ximian desktop for the MediaTerminal? that could be cool...(not for me,
of course
[End rambling, back on topic ]
I think it's great that somebody is doing something like this, have in mind that this
will compete directly with the next version of the X-Box(HomeStation or whatever it's
going to be called), and I really prefer to see people using a product based on opensource
(so I can hack it if I want) than having to run windows on their TV(<troll>anyone wants to get
a BSOD in the middle of his favorite movie
from nokia(hi Magnus!) that made the presentation, said that they are going to release xDSL modems
for it, that means that this modems will have drivers for Linux, something that in the past was a really
big problem... in resume(I have to go back to work!) this is a "Very good thing(tm)" and
anybody that cares about open source should be happy that it exists..(even if like me, many
of us aren't probably going to ever use it, after all, we don't have a life, right?
\\Uriel
P.S.: I use FreeBSD with Ion instead of any desktop, but it's really funny
to see people complaining that linux is hard to use when even a 3 years
old could install RedHat(in my experience much easier than installing any
WinXX)
P.P.S.: Hmmm. I think in the end it could be useful for me: a Plan9 CPU or file server...
and I could mount the TV screen(if I had one) from my Plan9 termianl
Please, don't make me waste my money:
- I DON'T want useless CD-ROMs
- I DON'T want useless screenshots
And from the top of my head, some(a bit obscure)
spots that I think need to be filled:
- Jakarta Java based tools(Ant, Velocity, Log4J, Tomcat, BCEL, James, Turbine, etc.)
- OpenBSD/NetBSD
- Microkernel designs(Hurd, Mach*, L4, EROS, etc.)
Best regards
\\Uriel
P.S.: And of course, books should be "dead-tree"!
I found very interesting a document from Jack Moffitt (of xiph.org fame,
u blic/critique.html
l
one of the main Ogg developers and one of the Icecast Core Developers),
about some problems he had with the BK license when he was using it
for hosting Icecast:
"A Critique of the BitKeeper License"
http://www.mit.edu/afs/athena/user/x/i/xiphmont/P
You might also find interesting his post on the matter to the
"Icecast Developer Discussion List":
http://www.xiph.org/archives/icecast-dev/0067.htm
I hope that he will post here his his experience using BK
in an Open/Free-source project...
Best regards
\\Uriel
P.S.: Yea, I know I'm karma whoring, but I'm sure many people will find this interesting,
specially in casse Jack dont post to this history latter
Who is spreading FUD here??
:before pseudo classes and "content" attribute?
As someone else have already pointed, may be you should try to validate your CSS.
And "Fully Compliant XHTML 1.0 Transitional", means nothing,
you aren't supposed to make new pages using Transitional,
try to make it compliant with XHTML 1.0 Strict...
Anybody that knows a bit about CSS and HTML will tell you how much better
support for them Mozilla have.
Does IE already support CSS1?
I remember when some one from MS said that they would never support
100% CSS1, because "no body really want it", that one was funny..
And how much of CSS2 do they support?
:after,
No
All the table formating options?
No
etc..
I have a big respect for you, I have read some very interesting comments written by you,
but I think you should check your facts better before spreading this kind of FUD, you may
prefer IE, but it's an accepted fact that the standards support in Mozilla is very superior
to IE. (and I don't mean that Mozilla is perfect, I should know, I helped to run hundreds
of CSS test in Mozilla a while a go)
Best regards
\\Uriel
P.S.: Please, let me know when IE is ported to
FreeBSD so I can look at your page, or may be you will fix it first?
I haven't sleep for nearly 24 hours, so I think this is going to be a bit of a random rambling... but I have to try...
)
;)
I understand that some people is very worried when some big companies get together to create some kind of universal authentication system...
But I think that at least some of the bashing against the "Liberty Alliance Project", especially based in the bad track of mega-corporation behavior of some of the members, is forgetting that there are also other members, like:
(from: http://www.projectliberty.org/chartermembers.html
- the Apache Software Foundation
- CollabNet
- O'Reilly & Associates
All this organizations have done a great job developing and promoting Open source and Free software.
Please, before bashing look more carefully at what are you bashing.
And of course we should always be careful when considering the movements of big corporations, but I think this is a big opportunity for all the people who wants to maintain
a free Internet, don't just discard it because you don't like some of the people promoting it.
Best regards
\\Uriel
P.S.: Now we only need that Freenet, OpenBSD, Debian, Xiph, FreeBSD, NetBSD, FSF, Internet Software Consortium, Gnome foundation, etc. join the project, and then thy have my permission to take over the world
P.P.S.: Seriously, it would be great to see Debian, FSF and ISC joining, and some Linux distributions wouldn't hurt either...
Not that I care about moderations, but can any one explain to me why this is a flamebait?
Best regards
Uriel
Sounds really nice... I wish I could try it, sad that they don't have a FreeBSD version, I'll need to try to run it with binary emulation latter...
I wish that they make it Open Source some day, AOL already supports Mozilla, so why not also opensource WinAMP?
That would allow more ports to other Free and non Free *NIXs, and I'm sure it would create a great development community.
BTW: Other great player is s.q.u.e.l.c.h(http://www.geoid.clara.net/rik/sque
Best regards
Uriel
> 1) There isnt a single windowmanager for Linux that makes anyone's life simpler.
;)
Try Ion and Larswm:
http://www.students.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/
http://www.fnurt.net/larswm/
The only really usable window managers I have ever seen, it takes some time to get used to them, but once you learn to use them, you can't come back to a normal wm...
Best regards
Uriel
P.S.: And they don't look like windows
Well looks like Asa posted this before me...
:)
*sigh*
Well, he deserve the karma, and his post is really informative, not like mine
/me thinks of poor Asa's wife...
Asa, don't work so much!
Take care
Uriel
Some karma whoring..
From an Asa article at mozillazine.org: " Mitchell Baker's post on her current situation involving Netscape and mozilla.org"
To all the mozilla people: continue the great work, all you rock!
Best regards
Uriel
Hixie you rock!!
:)
I hope I have some time for helping you again with
the CSS tests before the 1.0 release, it was one
of the most fun work I have ever done
Best regards and continue the good work!
Uriel
P.S.: Say hello to Asa, I don't know if he
remembers me, but any way he also rock.
P.P.S.: Will we have more war with the PDT in
#3935 before the next NS release? };>
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Wow!! one of the greatest Mozilla Hackers answers to my post! I can't believe it! :)
;). And IMHO parts of AOL-the-company hurt Mozilla, e.g. PDT.
> Netscape6 is just Mozilla with a few doodads. Thus, most of its source IS open
I can't know exactly what changes they made to the source(e.g. I dunno if they added spyware to it) so it isn't open.
> Also, since 90% of Mozilla development is done by the Netscape engineers, it's not fair to bash AOL-the-company and praise Mozilla in the same breath.
IMHO "Netscape engineers" != AOL-the-company, you know that many NS engineers disagree with how NS6 has been released... and you know that many of them disagree with the decisions of the PDT.
I'm thankful to AOL for their support of the Mozilla project BUT I disagree in many things with what they did with NS6.
I admire all the Mozilla Hackers the same, I don't care who they work for, they all are the soul of the Mozilla community; AOL-the-company isn't part of the Mozilla community, it's just a external contributor
Mozilla should stop depending of AOL/NS, ASAP. If AOL/NS stop supporting Mozilla some one else will continue the work...
I didn't mean to bash the NS engineers, I just don't like NS6 the browser.
That's just my opinion... I may probably be wrong.
Best regards and continue the good work, you rock!
Uriel
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I don't understand why slashdot readers insist on use and bash Netscape, a closed source browser full of AOL crap... may be it's related with the fact that the majority of slashdot readers use Windows and IE...
Just forget Netscape, we have Mozilla, we don't need Netscape anymore.
And for those people that pretend that IE is better than Mozilla:
- I want a browser that is standards compliant. If you don't care about standards you are like Mico$oft... standards make the developer life easier, products with broken standards support make the developer life a nightmare.
- I can't run IE in my Linux and BSD boxes.
- I want many Mozilla features that IE and NS don't have(ie banner blocking.)
- I don't trust the security of Micro$oft products. If I can't have the source, I don't trust it.
- I love Free Software, and I love the Mozilla people.
IMHO there is no reason to use NS[4.x|6] instead of Mozilla. If your computer have limited resources use moz-embed, only 2Mb download and only gets 11Mb of
RAM(even less than the part of IE that isn't loaded with Windows).
Best regards
Uriel
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> The MS JVM was last updated a couple of weeks ago
> It was on WindowsUpdate (not hidden away like the security updates often are).
<irony>
May be they made it even more compatible and secure.
</irony>
> I've recently started playing about with CSS and Mozilla is fucking up the most basic stuff.
I want to know what "basic stuff" is, may be the IE proprietary extensions? IE didn't even suport many of the CSS1 properties, and Mozilla suport the complete CSS1 spec (only very few small bugs remain) and the major part of the CSS2.
You have no idea what CSS is. Mozilla CSS implmentation isn't perfect, but it's the more standards compliant...
Best regards and please stop trolling
Uriel
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I thought that latest Mozilla nightlys are more standards compliant than NS6. ;)
:)
Specially after the checkin of your new nsViewManager
Best regards
Uriel
P.S.: You are one of my Gods
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> AND THEY BELIEVE IE WORKS ON IE!!
;)
Ops.. on Linux I mean... I was too angry
Best regards
Uriel
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