From: patl@athena.mit.edu (Patrick J. LoPresti)
Subject: The True Path (long)
Date: 11 Jul 91 03:17:31 GMT
Newsgroups: alt.religion.emacs,alt.slack
When I log into my Xenix system with my 110 baud teletype, both vi
*and* Emacs are just too damn slow. They print useless messages like,
'C-h for help' and '"foo" File is read only'. So I use the editor
that doesn't waste my VALUABLE time.
Ed, man! !man ed
ED(1) UNIX Programmer's Manual ED(1)
NAME
ed - text editor
SYNOPSIS
ed [ - ] [ -x ] [ name ]
DESCRIPTION
Ed is the standard text editor.
---
Computer Scientists love ed, not just because it comes first
alphabetically, but because it's the standard. Everyone else loves ed
because it's ED!
"Ed is the standard text editor."
And ed doesn't waste space on my Timex Sinclair. Just look:
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root 24 Oct 29 1929/bin/ed
-rwxr-xr-t 4 root 1310720 Jan 1 1970/usr/ucb/vi
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root 5.89824e37 Oct 22 1990/usr/bin/emacs
Of course, on the system *I* administrate, vi is symlinked to ed.
Emacs has been replaced by a shell script which 1) Generates a syslog
message at level LOG_EMERG; 2) reduces the user's disk quota by 100K;
and 3) RUNS ED!!!!!!
"Ed is the standard text editor."
Let's look at a typical novice's session with the mighty ed:
Note the consistent user interface and error reportage. Ed is
generous enough to flag errors, yet prudent enough not to overwhelm
the novice with verbosity.
"Ed is the standard text editor."
Ed, the greatest WYGIWYG editor of all.
ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA! ED HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF EDUCATED
AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES! ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS
BODILY FLUIDS!! ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR! ED MAKES THE SUN
SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN!!
When I use an editor, I don't want eight extra KILOBYTES of worthless
help screens and cursor positioning code! I just want an EDitor!!
Not a "viitor". Not a "emacsitor". Those aren't even WORDS!!!! ED!
ED! ED IS THE STANDARD!!!
TEXT EDITOR.
When IBM, in its ever-present omnipotence, needed to base their
"edlin" on a UNIX standard, did they mimic vi? No. Emacs? Surely
you jest. They chose the most karmic editor of all. The standard.
Ed is for those who can *remember* what they are working on. If you
are an idiot, you should use Emacs. If you are an Emacs, you should
not be vi. If you use ED, you are on THE PATH TO REDEMPTION. THE
SO-CALLED "VISUAL" EDITORS HAVE BEEN PLACED HERE BY ED TO TEMPT THE
FAITHLESS. DO NOT GIVE IN!!! THE MIGHTY ED HAS SPOKEN!!!
Mm...laziness and greed, sez me. Greed: music/movie companies can't bear the thought of all those bits going around w/o money coming back to them for it; laziness because they are willing
to come up with (relatively) crappy encryption/watermarking/protection, and then slap a lawsuit on anyone trying to break it, rather than spend the extra time coming up with rilly good methods. (IANACryptographer, but
what I've read makes me think that the whole concept of nearly-unbreakable encrypted bits is a pipedream anyway...so maybe we should add
a bit of old-fashioned Crack(tm) to their motivation.)
I disagree. The style was different from what we read here, or in the NYTimes, or
in Doonesbury, but it was still plain, comprehensible, and well-written. I honestly don't know
what you found incomprehensible about it.
Frankly, I think the elimination of all people who
follow the religion of the perpetrator would be the best thing for the
world. Only religion has the power to cause people to act like this.any excuse
they need to behave in shitty, shitty ways. Deep down, in a very fundamental way, homo sapiens enjoys
doing some incredibly cruel things; religion, politics and everything else are just a veneer on top of that.
CBC Newsworld is being carried on CBC AM here in Vancouver; here's what I've heard:
--both towers of the WTC have collapsed
--one of the planes was an Am. Airlines 767 hijacked from Boston, and apparently this was the first one hit
--explosion & fire at the Pentagon
--fire at the State Dept in Washington
--pretty much all gov't buildings in DC evacuated, incl. the White House
--air travel suspended across US; no planes taking off or landing; airports closed
--*apparently* a Palestinian terrorist group claimed responsibility; this according to a TV station in Abu Dhabi (sp, I'm sure)
No kidding...Christ, I nearly choked when I read that. Haven't they read Brian Kernighan's article, or at least The Jargon File? I mean, geez, I don't know if I would trust an OS written by someone who hadn't at least read the Jargon File...
(Joke! Joke! My precious karma...meltinnnnnnnnng...)
I have to think that alla you smart computer hacker/cracker types
might eventually notice repeated, simultaneous, and curious network
activity.
Sure, if you're looking for it. But the orig. comment was about people who were just average users and weren't nearly paranoid enough.
aren't all
network connections logged?
Not necessarily; just think how much data that would be. You've got a graphical browser, right? Well, each and every picture you see has to be downloaded. That'd all be logged. You'd get tired of looking through it pretty quickly. My point is that it's easy for this sort of thing to get lost in background noise even if you know to look for it.
can multiple apps
establish simultaneous connections through the same port, or does each
process need it's own?
The latter, I believe...I'm no programmer type either.
What is wrong with keeping information on Your computer ready to fill
in forms?
Now, IDKAG (I don't know about Gator), but while I admit your point, I'd be damned concerned that any utility like this
would be sending alla this info back to Corp. H.Q. each and every time it's used. That, I think, is a legitimate concern.
An Athlon? Wow...My main box, the one I'm typing this on, is a 90MHz Pentium, and the server I would have put it on is
a 200MHz Pentium. I keep forgetting that just 'cos I've got castoffs doesn't mean everyone else does:-). Not that I'm complaining; they both do just about everything I want them to.
But I am curious to see how the 200 would stand up to a slashdotting, or some small part of it. It's got lots of bandwidth, and it's running 1.3.20; the only restrictions are the speed and memory (48mb).
Nice...it occured to me to do the same after having a look at your mirror, but it seems like your site is holding up well. Are you running it yourself? How's things look at your end?
Slashdot Mirror
From: patl@athena.mit.edu (Patrick J. LoPresti)
Subject: The True Path (long)
Date: 11 Jul 91 03:17:31 GMT
Newsgroups: alt.religion.emacs,alt.slack
When I log into my Xenix system with my 110 baud teletype, both vi *and* Emacs are just too damn slow. They print useless messages like, 'C-h for help' and '"foo" File is read only'. So I use the editor that doesn't waste my VALUABLE time.
Ed, man! !man ed
ED(1) UNIX Programmer's Manual ED(1)
NAME
ed - text editor
SYNOPSIS
ed [ - ] [ -x ] [ name ]
DESCRIPTION
Ed is the standard text editor.
---
Computer Scientists love ed, not just because it comes first alphabetically, but because it's the standard. Everyone else loves ed because it's ED!
"Ed is the standard text editor."
And ed doesn't waste space on my Timex Sinclair. Just look:
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root 24 Oct 29 1929 /bin/ed /usr/ucb/vi /usr/bin/emacs
-rwxr-xr-t 4 root 1310720 Jan 1 1970
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root 5.89824e37 Oct 22 1990
Of course, on the system *I* administrate, vi is symlinked to ed. Emacs has been replaced by a shell script which 1) Generates a syslog message at level LOG_EMERG; 2) reduces the user's disk quota by 100K; and 3) RUNS ED!!!!!!
"Ed is the standard text editor."
Let's look at a typical novice's session with the mighty ed:
golem$ ed
?
help
?
?
?
quit
?
exit
?
bye
?
hello?
?
eat flaming death
?
^C
?
^C
?
^D
?
---
Note the consistent user interface and error reportage. Ed is generous enough to flag errors, yet prudent enough not to overwhelm the novice with verbosity.
"Ed is the standard text editor."
Ed, the greatest WYGIWYG editor of all.
ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA! ED HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF EDUCATED AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES! ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!! ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR! ED MAKES THE SUN SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN!!
When I use an editor, I don't want eight extra KILOBYTES of worthless help screens and cursor positioning code! I just want an EDitor!! Not a "viitor". Not a "emacsitor". Those aren't even WORDS!!!! ED! ED! ED IS THE STANDARD!!!
TEXT EDITOR.
When IBM, in its ever-present omnipotence, needed to base their "edlin" on a UNIX standard, did they mimic vi? No. Emacs? Surely you jest. They chose the most karmic editor of all. The standard.
Ed is for those who can *remember* what they are working on. If you are an idiot, you should use Emacs. If you are an Emacs, you should not be vi. If you use ED, you are on THE PATH TO REDEMPTION. THE SO-CALLED "VISUAL" EDITORS HAVE BEEN PLACED HERE BY ED TO TEMPT THE FAITHLESS. DO NOT GIVE IN!!! THE MIGHTY ED HAS SPOKEN!!!
?
ROFL...Ah, me. Kudos to the poor bastards brave enough to try this. They will have their kernel recompiled in Valhalla.
Weird: I submitted both of those. Glad I restored your faith in Nasa...:-)
Mm...laziness and greed, sez me. Greed: music/movie companies can't bear the thought of all those bits going around w/o money coming back to them for it; laziness because they are willing to come up with (relatively) crappy encryption/watermarking/protection, and then slap a lawsuit on anyone trying to break it, rather than spend the extra time coming up with rilly good methods. (IANACryptographer, but what I've read makes me think that the whole concept of nearly-unbreakable encrypted bits is a pipedream anyway...so maybe we should add a bit of old-fashioned Crack(tm) to their motivation.)
I disagree. The style was different from what we read here, or in the NYTimes, or in Doonesbury, but it was still plain, comprehensible, and well-written. I honestly don't know what you found incomprehensible about it.
Two servers I take care of have had 3000 and 4000 hits, respectively, today -- and the one w/4000 is just a lil' 486 w/16mb of ram. Go selenium go!
Frankly, I think the elimination of all people who follow the religion of the perpetrator would be the best thing for the world. Only religion has the power to cause people to act like this.any excuse they need to behave in shitty, shitty ways. Deep down, in a very fundamental way, homo sapiens enjoys doing some incredibly cruel things; religion, politics and everything else are just a veneer on top of that.
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11
That link again: http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11
--one of the planes was an Am. Airlines 767 hijacked from Boston, and apparently this was the first one hit
--explosion & fire at the Pentagon
--fire at the State Dept in Washington
--pretty much all gov't buildings in DC evacuated, incl. the White House
--air travel suspended across US; no planes taking off or landing; airports closed
--*apparently* a Palestinian terrorist group claimed responsibility; this according to a TV station in Abu Dhabi (sp, I'm sure)
(Joke! Joke! My precious karma...meltinnnnnnnnng...)
LOL...where are my mod points when I need 'em?
Best Keanu Reeves voice: "Whoah..."
UID: 12345678
Password: 12345678
Enjoy!
Or has this already been done?
Sure, if you're looking for it. But the orig. comment was about people who were just average users and weren't nearly paranoid enough.
aren't all network connections logged?
Not necessarily; just think how much data that would be. You've got a graphical browser, right? Well, each and every picture you see has to be downloaded. That'd all be logged. You'd get tired of looking through it pretty quickly. My point is that it's easy for this sort of thing to get lost in background noise even if you know to look for it.
can multiple apps establish simultaneous connections through the same port, or does each process need it's own?
The latter, I believe...I'm no programmer type either.
(BTW, just had a look at your .sig and hilite sounds like a neat idea -- I've downloaded it and will compile it at a more decent hour.)
Now, IDKAG (I don't know about Gator), but while I admit your point, I'd be damned concerned that any utility like this would be sending alla this info back to Corp. H.Q. each and every time it's used. That, I think, is a legitimate concern.
Hope you don't get sued!
Nice...it occured to me to do the same after having a look at your mirror, but it seems like your site is holding up well. Are you running it yourself? How's things look at your end?
Now I can finally write a LISP program to pick up my hotmail...I'm never leaving Emacs again!
Try it with Lynx: Browser of the Elder Gods(tm).
I'm on ADSL, Telus in Vancouver. It's the Code Red Monty Python skit: "Arp, arp, arp, arp, arp, arp, arp, arp...."
Heh...there's a guy like that where I work who basically built the whole network. God alone knows what'll happen to us if he gets hit by a meteorite.