Parent was talking about an Android tablet at that price point... All of them have quirks that can be nit picked, and the Fire sure as hell is going to have quirks (the 8GB memory with no option for expansion is the first glaring drawback to me...). The Archos 70 and 101 (newest editions, out for the last year or so) have decent reviews and use capacitive multitouch screens.
Good point on the apps store - they are available on all of the other devices, but it is a device specific store with fewer options than the Android Market. I seem to recall the Android app store having some hardware requirements to ensure a seamless experience across devices which locked out a bunch of tablets and forced them to run their own stores... Amazon's Fire will be no different, but I expect its app store will have enough critical mass to draw more developers and apps to it than Archos or Barnes and Noble could pull.
What it comes down to and what still isn't on the market (that I know of) is a low cost tablet running vanilla Android with access to the standard Android market. The Fire, despite being a very intriguing package, doesn't quite fit that.
What the hell in a developed country is about needs anyway? If you're posting on slashdot, you aren't living to fulfill your basic needs, you're living to fulfill your wants. There's nothing wrong with that.
To me this is the first real Android tablet at a price point I expected.
I spose the other tablet manufacturers need to do a better job of marketing. Archos has had several 7" and 10" tablets in the $200 to $300 range, and the B&N Nook has been out for a year at a similar price point (and I suspect the Fire is a direct response to the Nook)...
I'm very interested to see what the CyanogenMod guys are able to do with this device, but will also hold off on purchasing (or recommending for somebody that wants to root it) until they have a procedure for rooting. The Fire doesn't seem to have a microSD slot - I'm not expecting it to be as easy to crack as other devices on the market.
"Cosmetic damage" is typically listed as something you'll get in a refurbished device. It doesn't make the device defective... just.. y'know... refurbished!
I went with a 7" Nook over a larger tablet specifically for portability - I use mine for road maps, web, chatting, and a 10" tablet wouldn't fit where I want it in my tank bag (or jacket pocket...)
Fitness for a task I suppose. Would I use a 12" tablet? Sure! But I wouldn't do the same things with it that I do with my 7". Everything is a tradeoff, for some of us the portability outweighs the screen real estate.
Just look at the example of organized crime continuing to exist after prohibition within the US.
Right, how many massacres have you seen in the last 50 years from warring alcohol runners?
I see the argument you're trying to make, I've seen it all over this thread. I'm reading the argument as "Well, even though legalizing will remove the illicit profits from the drug trade, we can't prove it will get rid of all the bad guys so we'd better stick with the status quo." The drug cartels got their power and maintain it through money from the illegal drug trade - Remove that source and you put a huge dent in their income. What will the bad guys do? Sure, some will find other ways to keep their power, but they'll be fighting over a much smaller pool of resources, their sizes will inevitably shrink and will become more manageable by the authorities. It isn't an overnight solution - nothing ever is. Eventually though you will have legal domestic producers popping up to cash in without needing to fund all of the illicit trafficking operations.
Will increasing availability lead to additional substance abuse? It's possible. However, it's also possible to *use* without abusing it. How many people do you know enjoy an occasional beer or cigarette with no real long term detriment to their health? How many of your social events were *improved* by the availability of alcohol?
...I don't think you can guilt most drug users into switching to "free trade drugs" for their fix. That movement will need to wait until after legalization.
Except pot smokers, you can guilt those hippies into doing anything for the good of strangers!
Yes and do you have any idea how many lives have been ruined by alcohol in the mean time?
And what about the lives that have been improved by alcohol in the meantime? Yes there really are people who can't control their alcohol intake and suffer greatly for it, but they are by far the minority. Just like people who can't control their video game playing, TV watching, horseback riding, gambling, delicious foods or any number of enjoyable activities. It's a recognized issue and something that there is really no shortage of support for. Anything people enjoy can be abused to their detriment. Taking things away from those of us that can moderate ourselves to protect the minority of people who can't is ridiculous and really needs to be stopped.
In the case of prohibition, we let a minority group with little or no concern over the results of their actions undermine democracy because they feel they have the right to enforce their morality upon everybody else.
What I've found across the board is if somebody wants to get in shape, they need an active hobby - something they truly enjoy doing. It can't simply be a mundane exercise. Hiking, biking, running, kayaking, swimming, sports, etcetc - if it's "just exercise" to you, you aren't going to enjoy it much and won't do it for very long. The sweet spot is to find something active (can even be marginally so, as long as you're on your feet and moving) that you enjoy for the sake of the activity, not the exercise.
Of course, there are those weirdos for whom "staying in shape" is their hobby and any mundane exercise will do
This post is exactly why I build my hats out of genuine tin salvaged from WW2 rations containers (so they pre-date the CIA). Anybody who knows anything knows that the CIA and Big Aluminum have been in cahoots for decades to produce porous aluminum foil that can easily be penetrated by Obama's millimeter wave mind control waves.
I know you won't believe me because they've already gotten it in your head that aluminum always has been and always will be the way to go. Now they've got you spreading even more of their misinformation, so even the crackpot conspiracy theorists won't stumble upon the truth and they'll all assume it was a setup for Obama's political gain on the upcoming election. But, they can't get to me! I have figured it out - and the truth is far more sinister. The world *needs* to know that Joe Biden himself flew down there on his stealth hover-longboard for a secret meeting - not with Osama Bin Laden, but with Sepp Blatter (YES!!! OF FIFA!!!). It is all part of their continuing plan to usurp America's god given sports with so called "world wide" sports like soccer and curling. Notice how much more attention the World Cup has gotten since Obama has been in office? Notice how all of the stalwart American past times are locked in labor crises?
It's too bad... It would have been so easy to figure out if they weren't sending out all those suggestion waves (they originate in airplane contrails - little known fact that the 9/11 attack was simply a prelude to ground the commercial air fleet to refit them with the wave generators in the engine exhausts). But now they've got you, and everybody else, and there's not a thing anybody can do to stop them.
Don't be silly, this way they can both listen to the music they want to listen to without compensating the creators *and* feel good about it because doing so is their form of righteous political activism!
...You should maybe read the source you linked before posting how you think it works. They tell you in advance what your gift card will be worth when you enter the specs of whatever you're recycling - and *then* they arrange the shipping (Source: your own damn link). No you don't get to barter and no you don't get very much for what you're sending in. The business model is to make an easy way for folks to offload their last computer.
If you'd rather put the time into reusing or reselling it on Craigslist yourself, you'll do quite a bit better. I don't think anybody (including Apple and PowerOn) would argue that.
Actually, it's more puzzling that you expend so much energy attacking something you aren't going to bother learning anything about... Aggressive, self righteous ignorance. It's a thing of beauty.
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Parent was talking about an Android tablet at that price point... All of them have quirks that can be nit picked, and the Fire sure as hell is going to have quirks (the 8GB memory with no option for expansion is the first glaring drawback to me...). The Archos 70 and 101 (newest editions, out for the last year or so) have decent reviews and use capacitive multitouch screens.
Good point on the apps store - they are available on all of the other devices, but it is a device specific store with fewer options than the Android Market. I seem to recall the Android app store having some hardware requirements to ensure a seamless experience across devices which locked out a bunch of tablets and forced them to run their own stores... Amazon's Fire will be no different, but I expect its app store will have enough critical mass to draw more developers and apps to it than Archos or Barnes and Noble could pull.
What it comes down to and what still isn't on the market (that I know of) is a low cost tablet running vanilla Android with access to the standard Android market. The Fire, despite being a very intriguing package, doesn't quite fit that.
I stand corrected.
I love the Informative mod, myself.
What the hell in a developed country is about needs anyway? If you're posting on slashdot, you aren't living to fulfill your basic needs, you're living to fulfill your wants. There's nothing wrong with that.
To me this is the first real Android tablet at a price point I expected.
I spose the other tablet manufacturers need to do a better job of marketing. Archos has had several 7" and 10" tablets in the $200 to $300 range, and the B&N Nook has been out for a year at a similar price point (and I suspect the Fire is a direct response to the Nook)...
I'm very interested to see what the CyanogenMod guys are able to do with this device, but will also hold off on purchasing (or recommending for somebody that wants to root it) until they have a procedure for rooting. The Fire doesn't seem to have a microSD slot - I'm not expecting it to be as easy to crack as other devices on the market.
Probably for the same reason he doesn't drive an RV to work...
"Cosmetic damage" is typically listed as something you'll get in a refurbished device. It doesn't make the device defective... just.. y'know... refurbished!
I went with a 7" Nook over a larger tablet specifically for portability - I use mine for road maps, web, chatting, and a 10" tablet wouldn't fit where I want it in my tank bag (or jacket pocket...)
Fitness for a task I suppose. Would I use a 12" tablet? Sure! But I wouldn't do the same things with it that I do with my 7". Everything is a tradeoff, for some of us the portability outweighs the screen real estate.
Well, since I've already posted in this thread, I'll just have to raise my glass to you good sir!
Just look at the example of organized crime continuing to exist after prohibition within the US.
Right, how many massacres have you seen in the last 50 years from warring alcohol runners?
I see the argument you're trying to make, I've seen it all over this thread. I'm reading the argument as "Well, even though legalizing will remove the illicit profits from the drug trade, we can't prove it will get rid of all the bad guys so we'd better stick with the status quo." The drug cartels got their power and maintain it through money from the illegal drug trade - Remove that source and you put a huge dent in their income. What will the bad guys do? Sure, some will find other ways to keep their power, but they'll be fighting over a much smaller pool of resources, their sizes will inevitably shrink and will become more manageable by the authorities. It isn't an overnight solution - nothing ever is. Eventually though you will have legal domestic producers popping up to cash in without needing to fund all of the illicit trafficking operations.
Will increasing availability lead to additional substance abuse? It's possible. However, it's also possible to *use* without abusing it. How many people do you know enjoy an occasional beer or cigarette with no real long term detriment to their health? How many of your social events were *improved* by the availability of alcohol?
...I don't think you can guilt most drug users into switching to "free trade drugs" for their fix. That movement will need to wait until after legalization.
Except pot smokers, you can guilt those hippies into doing anything for the good of strangers!
Yes and do you have any idea how many lives have been ruined by alcohol in the mean time?
And what about the lives that have been improved by alcohol in the meantime? Yes there really are people who can't control their alcohol intake and suffer greatly for it, but they are by far the minority. Just like people who can't control their video game playing, TV watching, horseback riding, gambling, delicious foods or any number of enjoyable activities. It's a recognized issue and something that there is really no shortage of support for. Anything people enjoy can be abused to their detriment. Taking things away from those of us that can moderate ourselves to protect the minority of people who can't is ridiculous and really needs to be stopped.
In the case of prohibition, we let a minority group with little or no concern over the results of their actions undermine democracy because they feel they have the right to enforce their morality upon everybody else.
What I've found across the board is if somebody wants to get in shape, they need an active hobby - something they truly enjoy doing. It can't simply be a mundane exercise. Hiking, biking, running, kayaking, swimming, sports, etcetc - if it's "just exercise" to you, you aren't going to enjoy it much and won't do it for very long. The sweet spot is to find something active (can even be marginally so, as long as you're on your feet and moving) that you enjoy for the sake of the activity, not the exercise.
Of course, there are those weirdos for whom "staying in shape" is their hobby and any mundane exercise will do
Bad nerd, get back in the basement and stop talking nonsense.
See? Perfectly comparable. OP needs to expand his imagination.
If a deer or child appears in front of me on a barren desert road in the middle of Nevada, I would start believing in magic.
On purpose? No... That's why there's the legal concept of "negligence."
no no, Roswell was a bunch of dirty hippies high on acid, and Ethel was a skank.
This post is exactly why I build my hats out of genuine tin salvaged from WW2 rations containers (so they pre-date the CIA). Anybody who knows anything knows that the CIA and Big Aluminum have been in cahoots for decades to produce porous aluminum foil that can easily be penetrated by Obama's millimeter wave mind control waves.
I know you won't believe me because they've already gotten it in your head that aluminum always has been and always will be the way to go. Now they've got you spreading even more of their misinformation, so even the crackpot conspiracy theorists won't stumble upon the truth and they'll all assume it was a setup for Obama's political gain on the upcoming election. But, they can't get to me! I have figured it out - and the truth is far more sinister. The world *needs* to know that Joe Biden himself flew down there on his stealth hover-longboard for a secret meeting - not with Osama Bin Laden, but with Sepp Blatter (YES!!! OF FIFA!!!). It is all part of their continuing plan to usurp America's god given sports with so called "world wide" sports like soccer and curling. Notice how much more attention the World Cup has gotten since Obama has been in office? Notice how all of the stalwart American past times are locked in labor crises?
It's too bad... It would have been so easy to figure out if they weren't sending out all those suggestion waves (they originate in airplane contrails - little known fact that the 9/11 attack was simply a prelude to ground the commercial air fleet to refit them with the wave generators in the engine exhausts). But now they've got you, and everybody else, and there's not a thing anybody can do to stop them.
Apples are crunchy, whereas 747s are big. Not sure why you think it's so hard to compare the two...
Don't be silly, this way they can both listen to the music they want to listen to without compensating the creators *and* feel good about it because doing so is their form of righteous political activism!
...You should maybe read the source you linked before posting how you think it works. They tell you in advance what your gift card will be worth when you enter the specs of whatever you're recycling - and *then* they arrange the shipping (Source: your own damn link). No you don't get to barter and no you don't get very much for what you're sending in. The business model is to make an easy way for folks to offload their last computer.
If you'd rather put the time into reusing or reselling it on Craigslist yourself, you'll do quite a bit better. I don't think anybody (including Apple and PowerOn) would argue that.
Can't pay you to watch it... but you'll complain about it for free!
Actually, it's more puzzling that you expend so much energy attacking something you aren't going to bother learning anything about... Aggressive, self righteous ignorance. It's a thing of beauty.