Part of the problem is, if we are really objective about it, the lisp/scheme family of languages are probably about as close to 'well designed' perfect as we will get. Conceptually.
The problem with them is you pretty much have to unlearn so much of the ideas we take for granted in imperative languages, so much so, its been sugested your better off promoting scheme by teaching it to children then causing experienced programmers mind haemorages.
Even Haskell might be a candidate, but holy fucking shit will I never get used to some of its ideas. Algebraic values that don't change, totally non imperative, monads, and.... aaahhh my brains on fire again.
Because of this, I'll stick with my beloved python and hope one day, just one day, it catches on that I'll regularly get employment doing it.
People genuinely believe this to be true in public places and its patently false. Think newspapers. Think google street.
If you are in a public place, people are allowed to take photos of you.
In fact, in most countries you can even stand on the street side and use a telescopic lens to get into the house, since its something viewable from a public place. Think paparatzi.
[quote]And if you are one of those MBAs - keep in mind that this grinning consultant on whom you offload all your real work and who says "That would be no problem!" or "I can work within the framework of your plan!" and the like, might be someone like me and hold the same opinion of you as I do. You can tell by how skillfully he actually does what he needed to do to make it work, as opposed to what you told him to do, even though he agreed and nodded his head all the way. That and the fact that his bills keep going up the more your fuckups pile up, even though you did your darnest to hide them. But he never stops smiling and being nice to you, does he? It is so fortunate that you cannot read his mind. You would spend the rest of your days under your bed shivering.[/quote]
Well, for what its worth, Freepascal pretty much does any flavor as long as its Borland. It supports both the Turbo pascal and Delphi variants of Obj Pascal, including the different object/class types. Which is kind of neat, as you can get those groovy old turbo pascal math libs and mush them into your Delphi code without too much drama.
It was doomed, because Borland completely and dramatically misunderstood Linux. We ALL (Well the delphi heads) *WANTED* kylix, and we all collectively where sporting boners when told it 'did' GPL.
What we instead got was a buggy product that appeared to have alot of winelib in it (what the heck was that font thing?), and more to the point, it treated the GPL as if it was shareware. If one got the 'open source' version, which wasn't actually open source, we could make 'gpl' programs only, but by GPL, it meant "Well your program is GPL, but we are going to force a splash screen on your program that says its gpl and suggest updating to the full version." That was insulting as hell, and completely wrote it all off as an option for us.
Borlands problem is the attentiveness it paid the low-end and hobbyist market in the turbo days was completely blown out the window by the time it moved to Kylix. Hobbyists, students and small business MUST be paid attention to, or how the hells a kid supposed to learn your platform. Linux still has a large hobbyist contingent motoring it along, and in fact proved that hobbyist gift culture could power industry and commerce too.
What was really hard, was Delphi coders understood open source well. We loved sites like torry.ru that had huge collections of awesome open source librarys we could mash into our stuff to make our work days easier. In return we often packaged up our own little inventions and put them out there for other coders to use. Thats why we where so excited about kylix. What a let down.
Now of course we are being enticed back in with the 'turbo explorers' ('Hey kids! Its free!').
Except one cant install open source libraries by design. Way to piss on the Fanbase Borland!. Its a shame too. I was looking forward to returning to Delphi after all those years. Us hobbyists are still out in the cold.
I just hope people put some support into finally getting Lazarus and Free Pascal 'finished'. Its 95% there, and when that happens, we can finally tell the boss to cancel that Borland subscription, because coders *hate* being taken for granted.
"Seriously? Is that the best you could come up with? That has to be the weakest "your mother" joke I've ever heard. If you're going to post flamebait at least try and put a little pride in your work."
Does mother have to have gritts in her pants for it to be an acceptable troll?
Yeah. Its a pretty good little python too. Its not *quite* cPython compliant to the level of Jython (last time I checked, which was some time ago), but I'm told the clr is pretty flexy if a little eccentric maybe, so that could change. That said, Jython is brilliant and really does leaverage the JVM very well and presents a damn good alternative to a full blown java trudge for gluing java bits together into a real app.
Oh yeah fun hint: Jythons XML-RPC server + Your Java monstrosity of choice = xml-rpc API for your app in under a page of code. Its really really really neat being able to leaverage Python that way. If Ironpython manages to port pythons fantastic library to dot net, you'll see some pretty cool stuff like that too.
Pretty much. This is an incredibly significant finding, as it means that theres something very fundamental about the geometry of the universe that we are missing.
Thats not really for some telescope guys to work out, thats something that the 'big math guys' need to puzzle over, and see if they can come up with anything for the telescope guys to look out for, to find an answer.
Or to put it more simply, the telescope guy would be asking the big-math guys "What should I be looking out for right now?"
Which is not to say the telescope guy isnt also a big-math guy, but why and what are different sorts of questions, and best teased apart. Especially if another guy comes up with a better reason.
Dead right. Redhat has always been (well, in recent history anyway) a "Corporate" linux, and one companies happen to trust.
But even a truly 'community' linux like Debian gets good corporate leverage, simply because most linux staffers see themself as members of the linux community.
Sure boss , you COULD pay that exorbitant Redhat support fee, but theres a perfectly good LUG email list, and some amazingly talented guys (and gals) on it that'd love to be paid to give you much more personalized advice. Hell, some of them work for companies you can sue if they fuck up.
Still don't like Debian? Theres always Centos.
The Community/Corporate divide is imaginary.
I will admit to being nervous about the Novell deals. I don't think any serious Linux people actually care about Linspire however. Just saying.
Actually I have no idea on US courts, but many many courts in the world pretty much agree that when you buy software or and ESPECIALLY hardware, its yours to do with as you wish. You just cant go selling copies of it (or whatever the local IP laws are). Basically that unless the EULA was presented BEFORE you paid for it, its not worth the paper its written on.
I'd bet infact the US has some similar positions, although those loony arbitration clauses dont give me hope.
Its the same old story. VHS killed hollywood (and betamax, lol:( ). Radio killed live music. Cassette tapes killed the music industry. So it goes.
Someone really should go show old elton Myspace music section. There are ALOT of young local bands who are finally getting some exposure due to the internet.
And thats from myspace, the most retarded site on the net. Put some money into something non retarded, and the possibilities are mind boggling.
And yeah, the javascript trick works well. I call it the 'browser turing test'. Its like a captcha for your browser to fill in, metaphorically speaking.
But I've even seen that damn thing work well.
Of course Akismet is the web spam filter that always works the best for me.
modX. Gorgeous little CMS, but anything with that much ajax is going to bleed a mysql server to death.
Also HOORAY! Monsanto are evil bastards. I wonder if this'll translate for the little farmer dudes in poorer places like india where the patent systems killing traditional seed-saving practices and putting farmers under.
Anyone who has to clean out spam of blogs, and understands why that spam is there probably is a bit like me and considers "SEO" in the same frame of mind as "Spammers" and "Folks deserving of the noose. Opening up 100+ connections to the web server , leaving it nearly comatose in the process , to pump pharma ads is just fucked in the head.
NO SERIOUSLY I DONT WANT YOUR DAMN VIAGRA AD ON MY SITE.
And alexa doesnt help one damn bit
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On one level yes. Although it means you have to trust the carrier not to go snooping.
Personally I just use MSN & Jabber for stuff now. My inboxes are spam ridden hellholes, and its just not worth it.
I actually do think Email's days are numbered. But thats not because of social networking. Its because of fucking spammers. Getting 600+ emails a day *AFTER* its been purged by spamassassin aint fun (I turned it off once and got nearly 2000 emails a day in the inbox. Granted its a 10 year old email address.
Now I remember. Google the "Moro reflex". Its basically to do with a babies instinct to grab onto stuff when jerked. Basically early in our evolution we hooned about grabbing onto our mothers fur. If we are jerked, our instinct is to grab on tight so as not to fall.
No. Newborns fear heights, or specifically falling. I cant cite it, but at my uni psych classes, the lecturer claimed that the only two things she was certain newborns innately feared was falling and loud noises. Both fairly sensible evolutionary fears (Falling off things bad, Lions bad)
I'd go as far as saying that due to IBM's somewhat brave stance against the SCO bullshit, there might well of been no Linux had SCO decided to set up its case law on a less financial target.
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Part of the problem is, if we are really objective about it, the lisp/scheme family of languages are probably about as close to 'well designed' perfect as we will get. Conceptually.
.... aaahhh my brains on fire again.
The problem with them is you pretty much have to unlearn so much of the ideas we take for granted in imperative languages, so much so, its been sugested your better off promoting scheme by teaching it to children then causing experienced programmers mind haemorages.
Even Haskell might be a candidate, but holy fucking shit will I never get used to some of its ideas. Algebraic values that don't change, totally non imperative, monads, and
Because of this, I'll stick with my beloved python and hope one day, just one day, it catches on that I'll regularly get employment doing it.
Seaside would change the world, if only it had better support for templating.
Continuation-passing style web coding. *drool*
Thats because its a myth.
People genuinely believe this to be true in public places and its patently false. Think newspapers. Think google street.
If you are in a public place, people are allowed to take photos of you.
In fact, in most countries you can even stand on the street side and use a telescopic lens to get into the house, since its something viewable from a public place. Think paparatzi.
[quote]And if you are one of those MBAs - keep in mind that this grinning consultant on whom you offload all your real work and who says "That would be no problem!" or "I can work within the framework of your plan!" and the like, might be someone like me and hold the same opinion of you as I do. You can tell by how skillfully he actually does what he needed to do to make it work, as opposed to what you told him to do, even though he agreed and nodded his head all the way. That and the fact that his bills keep going up the more your fuckups pile up, even though you did your darnest to hide them. But he never stops smiling and being nice to you, does he? It is so fortunate that you cannot read his mind. You would spend the rest of your days under your bed shivering.[/quote]
Bravo!
You can have all the internal policies you want, but if the customer didn't agree, then your policy is wrong and the customer is right.
If he didn't agree to it, the company can make all the policies they like, but they still have to fix the laptop.
Thats one of the reasons why we have laws, to protect against policies.
Well, for what its worth, Freepascal pretty much does any flavor as long as its Borland. It supports both the Turbo pascal and Delphi variants of Obj Pascal, including the different object/class types. Which is kind of neat, as you can get those groovy old turbo pascal math libs and mush them into your Delphi code without too much drama.
It was doomed, because Borland completely and dramatically misunderstood Linux. We ALL (Well the delphi heads) *WANTED* kylix, and we all collectively where sporting boners when told it 'did' GPL.
What we instead got was a buggy product that appeared to have alot of winelib in it (what the heck was that font thing?), and more to the point, it treated the GPL as if it was shareware. If one got the 'open source' version, which wasn't actually open source, we could make 'gpl' programs only, but by GPL, it meant "Well your program is GPL, but we are going to force a splash screen on your program that says its gpl and suggest updating to the full version." That was insulting as hell, and completely wrote it all off as an option for us.
Borlands problem is the attentiveness it paid the low-end and hobbyist market in the turbo days was completely blown out the window by the time it moved to Kylix. Hobbyists, students and small business MUST be paid attention to, or how the hells a kid supposed to learn your platform. Linux still has a large hobbyist contingent motoring it along, and in fact proved that hobbyist gift culture could power industry and commerce too.
What was really hard, was Delphi coders understood open source well. We loved sites like torry.ru that had huge collections of awesome open source librarys we could mash into our stuff to make our work days easier. In return we often packaged up our own little inventions and put them out there for other coders to use. Thats why we where so excited about kylix. What a let down.
Now of course we are being enticed back in with the 'turbo explorers' ('Hey kids! Its free!').
Except one cant install open source libraries by design. Way to piss on the Fanbase Borland!. Its a shame too. I was looking forward to returning to Delphi after all those years. Us hobbyists are still out in the cold.
I just hope people put some support into finally getting Lazarus and Free Pascal 'finished'. Its 95% there, and when that happens, we can finally tell the boss to cancel that Borland subscription, because coders *hate* being taken for granted.
"Seriously? Is that the best you could come up with? That has to be the weakest "your mother" joke I've ever heard. If you're going to post flamebait at least try and put a little pride in your work."
Does mother have to have gritts in her pants for it to be an acceptable troll?
The last one is most appropriate grammar for this internets
Yeah. Its a pretty good little python too. Its not *quite* cPython compliant to the level of Jython (last time I checked, which was some time ago), but I'm told the clr is pretty flexy if a little eccentric maybe, so that could change. That said, Jython is brilliant and really does leaverage the JVM very well and presents a damn good alternative to a full blown java trudge for gluing java bits together into a real app.
:)
Oh yeah fun hint: Jythons XML-RPC server + Your Java monstrosity of choice = xml-rpc API for your app in under a page of code. Its really really really neat being able to leaverage Python that way. If Ironpython manages to port pythons fantastic library to dot net, you'll see some pretty cool stuff like that too.
Yeah. Im a python zealot
Pretty much. This is an incredibly significant finding, as it means that theres something very fundamental about the geometry of the universe that we are missing.
Thats not really for some telescope guys to work out, thats something that the 'big math guys' need to puzzle over, and see if they can come up with anything for the telescope guys to look out for, to find an answer.
Or to put it more simply, the telescope guy would be asking the big-math guys "What should I be looking out for right now?"
Which is not to say the telescope guy isnt also a big-math guy, but why and what are different sorts of questions, and best teased apart. Especially if another guy comes up with a better reason.
Well. So may it be.
But it all seems insignificant compared to what the evil bastards did next. (The holocaust)
I hope the parallell with Iran is not there. But considering Iran hosting the holocaust denial conference. Man.. Its not a pretty picture.
Dead right. Redhat has always been (well, in recent history anyway) a "Corporate" linux, and one companies happen to trust.
But even a truly 'community' linux like Debian gets good corporate leverage, simply because most linux staffers see themself as members of the linux community.
Sure boss , you COULD pay that exorbitant Redhat support fee, but theres a perfectly good LUG email list, and some amazingly talented guys (and gals) on it that'd love to be paid to give you much more personalized advice. Hell, some of them work for companies you can sue if they fuck up.
Still don't like Debian? Theres always Centos.
The Community/Corporate divide is imaginary.
I will admit to being nervous about the Novell deals. I don't think any serious Linux people actually care about Linspire however. Just saying.
Actually I have no idea on US courts, but many many courts in the world pretty much agree that when you buy software or and ESPECIALLY hardware, its yours to do with as you wish. You just cant go selling copies of it (or whatever the local IP laws are). Basically that unless the EULA was presented BEFORE you paid for it, its not worth the paper its written on.
I'd bet infact the US has some similar positions, although those loony arbitration clauses dont give me hope.
Damn right, if someone wants to ruin the internet, run drugs and threaten to kill people HOW DARE ANYONE STOP THEM.
Oh libertarianism... What will you justify next!
Its the same old story. VHS killed hollywood (and betamax, lol :( ). Radio killed live music. Cassette tapes killed the music industry. So it goes.
Someone really should go show old elton Myspace music section. There are ALOT of young local bands who are finally getting some exposure due to the internet.
And thats from myspace, the most retarded site on the net. Put some money into something non retarded, and the possibilities are mind boggling.
I'm starting to see even that one used.
And yeah, the javascript trick works well. I call it the 'browser turing test'. Its like a captcha for your browser to fill in, metaphorically speaking.
But I've even seen that damn thing work well.
Of course Akismet is the web spam filter that always works the best for me.
You American guys have been predicting crises in our governments for the past 40 years.
Still aint happening. And remember which country has the largest governmnet foreign debt in the world (Why its the USA!)
Not everyone wants to live in America bro.
modX. Gorgeous little CMS, but anything with that much ajax is going to bleed a mysql server to death.
Also HOORAY! Monsanto are evil bastards. I wonder if this'll translate for the little farmer dudes in poorer places like india where the patent systems killing traditional seed-saving practices and putting farmers under.
Long live the little guy.
Anyone who has to clean out spam of blogs, and understands why that spam is there probably is a bit like me and considers "SEO" in the same frame of mind as "Spammers" and "Folks deserving of the noose. Opening up 100+ connections to the web server , leaving it nearly comatose in the process , to pump pharma ads is just fucked in the head.
NO SERIOUSLY I DONT WANT YOUR DAMN VIAGRA AD ON MY SITE.
And alexa doesnt help one damn bit
Agent: Alexa
Deny: /
(Or however it goes)
On one level yes. Although it means you have to trust the carrier not to go snooping.
Personally I just use MSN & Jabber for stuff now. My inboxes are spam ridden hellholes, and its just not worth it.
I actually do think Email's days are numbered. But thats not because of social networking. Its because of fucking spammers. Getting 600+ emails a day *AFTER* its been purged by spamassassin aint fun (I turned it off once and got nearly 2000 emails a day in the inbox. Granted its a 10 year old email address.
Now I remember. Google the "Moro reflex". Its basically to do with a babies instinct to grab onto stuff when jerked. Basically early in our evolution we hooned about grabbing onto our mothers fur. If we are jerked, our instinct is to grab on tight so as not to fall.
No. Newborns fear heights, or specifically falling. I cant cite it, but at my uni psych classes, the lecturer claimed that the only two things she was certain newborns innately feared was falling and loud noises. Both fairly sensible evolutionary fears (Falling off things bad, Lions bad)
Your middle stanza
has not enough syllables
You fail at Haikus
I'd go as far as saying that due to IBM's somewhat brave stance against the SCO bullshit, there might well of been no Linux had SCO decided to set up its case law on a less financial target.