Here I was thinking we wheren't in the 50's. Who do those black people think they are with those civil rights and stuff. Thinking they can ask for jobs. THE SHEER NERVE!
YeeeeHAAW! I'm gunna go feed the chickens!
Awww.... I give up. I can't even tolerate being sarcastic about this sort of bullshit... Robert, If someone refuses stuff on racist grounds, by definition they are always racist. I'll even go one further and say racist fucking scum.
Nah Fuck Monster. It maybe there own private service, but hiring practices based on ethnicity is a hanging offence in my books. DDOS anyone?
Dude, everyone gets stories bounced from time to time. Ive had one accepted and two bounced. Shit I'm even a journalist by trade, so you'd expect it. But everyone gets bounced. Accept it and get over it.
I'm not knocking conservatives here(although I most certainly am not a conservative), but the academic credibility of the "think tanks" that latch like leaches onto the GOP and pass off ideology as research. Problem is, most of the staff of these places have dubious academic credibility, publication records, research methodologies and abilities to cut the hubris from the data. It really comes to that big thing that gets beaten down the throat of every kid who goes thru uni who becomes a good academic. *Just because the data pisses you off, don't mean its wrong*. And thats the problem with think tanks that set out to find the data to support the conclusion. Its just not science. You gotta find the solution that matches the data. Not the other way round.
Hey wow dude. I'm pretty opposed to the occupation as well, but I don't see the point in raggin on jewish folk and continual blathering about some sort of mysterious zionist plot as being any different to that of the holocost deniers.
Ariel sharons occupation is illegal and immoral, but that dont make it right to think israel has a right to exist. Do you see the difference?
Israel , one side of the border. Palestine , the other. And a big fucken UN peacekeeper force in between. And maybe Jerusalem should be put under secular rule , so all the religions can 'play'.
Hey, you are infact correct about the US being the only country convicted of terrorism in the ICC (or whatever one it was), but that page you linked to is fucken messed up!
Ariel Sharon is a highly violent dude to be sure, but I doubt 100% that he said "The jews control america".. That stinks to high heaven of protocols of zion kinda junk. Palestine will *never* be liberated by anti-semetism. That just plays into the hands of nazis.
And I *seriously* doubt the CIA crashed the planes into those buildings... I mean thats just... whacky.
Someone mod this dude up. "redundant" is an unfair mod.
Seriously tho, there is a Brisbane Australian Academic who I'm verry fond of called "John Hartley", and in his book "teleology, studies in television", he uses a word "Paedocracy"; Rule by children for children.
Basically the idea is that in the interests of "protecting the children", adult interests are subsumed to the point where we become as children under the regulatory reigme of parenthood. The adult never gets to 'become' an adult.
Interestingly almost EVERY study done thats found that violent tv or games causes probs in kids have tended to either come from (A) Right wing think tanks, which most academics I've met rate somewhere around creationism in the legitimacy stakes (ie zero) or (B) Have methodological holes the size of craters.
What *HAS* come across however, is that the only tv violence that does seem to mess with kids is.... news violence! Basically the idea is that for young kids, the violence on TV is real, and de-contextualised. Kids have a surprisingly well honed ability to tell real from play, and the worse "play" violence on TV/games seems to lead to is occasionally rougher play in the schoolyard. (Ie recreating powerrangers etc), but not to fisticuffs or anything.
Now, just the other day, a friend of mine told me in rather exasperated terms how he was freaked out that his 4 year old daughter was terrified that mister president bush was going to fly a plane and bomb her day care center. She didnt understand that the little blown up kids on the tv set (Hey nice one TV guys, showing bodies on newsflashes during 9am cartoons.. gee thanx) was part of a complex series of political events staged on the other side of the planet. The 4yo brain just dont get that iraq is not a 5 minute bus ride away, and that the Americans are 'on our side'. Basically , she dont get the context, but knew the killing was real.
And thats the rub. Real violence causes real problems, while 'pretend' violence only leads to 'pretend' problems.
Yeah. But that's presicely the point. Fremantle prison was closed down along time ago after prison aguards complained it was impossible to manage the prisoners morale (Which was an 18th century limestone hellhole with buckets for toilets).
And thats the exact point of the comment. The guy on the show, a head honcho of the wa PRISONS condemned the migrant detention camps as hell holes and said that the guards and ACM where to blame, because modern prisons just don't have riots any more. They have known for ages that its not the calibre of prisoner that causes riots, but unbearable conditions. And don't you think it's a little strange that refugees who've broken no laws (It is not illegal under australian law to come to australia by boat to seek asylum btw which is why Ruddock went bezerk when labor stopped him making it illegal. When Ruddock claims refugees are illegal , he's actually commiting a rather serious defamation offence.) are treated to conditions that'd make hitler proud while murderers cop 15 years in what amounts to a luxury appartment all expenses paid.
Yah dude, it was an unfortunate event, but these folk are really desparate. Many face deportation to countries where they face torture and death. Also many psychiatrists have noted that indefinate detention (Of developed countries, australia is the ONLY one that does this) of unknown time incommunicado can lead to radical behaviour. Keep in mind that the chief inspector dude of west australian prisons has been banned from detention centres, because he commented that the refugees are treated worse than animals and murderers in high security prisons enjoy much better conditions, and noted that in prison administration circles, it is felt that riots ONLY occur due to mistreatment and mismanagement of prisoners. Put it this way, I can't remember the last time prisoners rioted in west australia.
Green left weekly aka "The trots":) (Insider joke in Australian politics)...
Anyway, yeah this stuff does happen. A mate of mine, a palestinian legit immigrant got given hell and deported (temporarilly, he was allowed back in) for screwing a piece of paperwork. When he was in the detention center prior to deportyness he saw folk trying to commit suicide on two occasions (He was only in detention for a week), and reconed the whole place was a nightmare. His house has been searched , his wife (an aussie) harassed. I know of other stories of students (I work at a student union), usually black or mid east, folk being threatened because of religion, wierd asio harassment. Racist immigration officials etc.
The sad thing, is that for the most part most australians are incredibly tolerant and friendly. It's a pretty multicultural society, but everytime the press or someone critisizes the government over what is truly an aberation against the australian fair-go spirit, people just seem to go "Oh this musnt be true. Our government would *never* do that!"... except they do.
I plan to try and verify this tail and rain shit and fire on the im dept for this. It's about time aussies realised what a violent scam the im dept here has become.
Mods: Who ever modded this as troll- Why is it so? This is a guy who got burned hard and its worth airing.
This is an outrage and it really upset me. I'm going to forward this to a couple of people I know involved with imigration law & advocacy. Do you mind? (If you would rather me not, email me at shayne@guild.murdoch.edu.au) I also am on a first name with a few politicians. Theyre gunna hear this too.
Most of my countrymen just don't realise how nasty the culture of the immigration department has gotten. And when folk like refugees turn up, they cop this X 10 *AND* a whole bunch of xenophobic shit.
If you have the names of any of em, email me and I'll pass them on. there is an ombudsmen as well, and the anti corruption commission.
You really do deserve respect, and I hope that this doesnt permanently put you off our otherwise lovely country.
Dunno how there doing, I remember being a non-student member ten years ago, coming in and meeting the guy who slept there so he could wake up at 6am and play nethack till 10pm and go back to bed. (That said, four years later I discovered MUDs and had a simmilar spell:)
I did like those guys:) Plus they turned me onto minix, which eventually turned me onto linux invented by mr Torevalds a year later.
I remember they also had some bashed up old VAXes, which at the time was reeeeal cool.
The funny thing about it all is that IT is the one occupation where my long hair doesnt get me locked out of the office.
A lot of people just seem to understand that IT geeks often dress clumsilly and code sharply.
Anyway, it was a tech conference. The marketing conf was in New York right.
(Oh btw... I live in perth and would of love to of gone... but sometimes GPL just doesn't pay the bills, or conf fees:( [which where nice and cheap for this conf btw] )
Ah dude, that and finally provide the leguions of quadraplegic and paraplegic wheelchair folk with a high powered champion to go and lobby governments to get off their ass to pay the research to help others ge off their ass.
[insert mushy platitude] A hero is whoever you want to be your hero. When I was a little kid, my dad chased off and beat up two teenagers who had threatened to stab me. Now twenty years later at 28 I still think my dad is my hero.
Looked at your lover, parents or kids lately. These a little hero in everyone. [/end mushy platitude]
It doesn't matter WHERE the casualties are from. 7 Freaking Science PIONEERS are dead.
7 of them. That one is Israeli is irrelevant. Sure, I too have grave concerns about the Israeli governments behaviour of late, but the average "David Citizen" in Israel would of been pretty proud of his countryman up there showing the world that "Jews in Space" is not just a Mel Brooks skit thing but an affirmation of a people who have had it rough and are still in rough times, but one day will surely be a people, in a country up with the best of em of people living in a high-tech nation of Peace and Justice... (One day... Once Sharon & Arafat go away and let the peace process happen properly)
This was a tragedy for israelis and everyone. I can only imagine that if an Australian(my nationality) Astronaut died like this I'd be traumatised.
Despite this I still say "Make Spaceships, Not War!".
I had a job sometimes back, advising on IT stuff in a millitary project in australia. During that time the special forces unit had a loss in east timor.
I will also add that I am a pacifist and believe that war is always evil unless defending oneself or a smaller dependant country (In this case Timor needed defence from Kopassas militias).
But it is always sad when a service man or woman loses there life. Regardless of the politics, the 50+ allied deaths in afganistan are a tragedy. The 1000+ deaths of talisban conscript young men and civilians is also tragic.
And despite all this , this shuttle tragedy gives me pause. As a kid 25 years ago I remember waking up every morning to watch the shuttles launching on TV. I remember watching the challenger blowing up and havinbg to wake my father up (imagine young kid screaming jumping on fathers bed screaming "WAKE UP DAD! HORROR! HORROR!" or something to that effect) when the challenger blew up and dealing with the grief.
I truly believe the military aspirations of my country and my countries allies are frightening and evil. It's about killing folk. But this is not millitary , its the hope of humanity. Its our ticket off this limited planet.
Humanity future *DEPENDS* on us getting off this planet one day. These astronauts are among the pioneers of this adventures.
And yet I can only speculate that the freeze on millitary spending post challenger will happen yet again.
Lets hope Mr Bush realises that the best way to honor these matyrs of science is to ensure that mankinds aspirations in space are adequately funded.
Sorry for this rant, it's been a shit week for me. I got sacked, my uncle died and now this. Ever had the feeling that Gods pisses off. It's a sure wierd feeling when ones an athiest.
I'm also inclined to think the dependancies 'hell' one gets with linux that doesnt seem as big a problem has something to do with the dll system and microsoft being *reasonably* carefull to keep interfaces backwardly polymorphic. This is possibly one of the verry few advantages of microsofts approach.
It's not as bad as it used to be imho, particularly with apt on the rise (as a debian user I've almost forgotten the nightmare that was rpm hell)
But oh boy on my windoze box I've had way more problems than with my x-server. The linux box just sorta.... works.
I'm just imagining the "Who's more leet" battle between the windows cracker and the door cracker.
The windows cracker walks away with the door crackers AIM password. The doors cracker walks away with the windows crackers wallet and a handfull of teeth and hair.
(Thus I'd rather be attacked by the windows hacker)
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Here I was thinking we wheren't in the 50's. Who do those black people think they are with those civil rights and stuff. Thinking they can ask for jobs. THE SHEER NERVE!
YeeeeHAAW! I'm gunna go feed the chickens!
Awww.... I give up. I can't even tolerate being sarcastic about this sort of bullshit... Robert, If someone refuses stuff on racist grounds, by definition they are always racist.
I'll even go one further and say racist fucking scum.
Nah Fuck Monster. It maybe there own private service, but hiring practices based on ethnicity is a hanging offence in my books. DDOS anyone?
Or is it just cos the punter didnt know how to use the product properly. :)
Dude, everyone gets stories bounced from time to time. Ive had one accepted and two bounced. Shit I'm even a journalist by trade, so you'd expect it. But everyone gets bounced.
Accept it and get over it.
I really do get the feeling people like to rag on Dreamweaver without ever using it.
*sigh*
I kinda feel embaressed for this guy. Bright yellow tags for un-closed tags. Its really quite easy.
But he'd know that had he ever used the product.
Indeed, he meant to say "Intellectually Challenged" co-workers.
See! Much nicer.
I'm not knocking conservatives here(although I most certainly am not a conservative), but the academic credibility of the "think tanks" that latch like leaches onto the GOP and pass off ideology as research.
Problem is, most of the staff of these places have dubious academic credibility, publication records, research methodologies and abilities to cut the hubris from the data.
It really comes to that big thing that gets beaten down the throat of every kid who goes thru uni who becomes a good academic. *Just because the data pisses you off, don't mean its wrong*.
And thats the problem with think tanks that set out to find the data to support the conclusion. Its just not science. You gotta find the solution that matches the data. Not the other way round.
Hey wow dude. I'm pretty opposed to the occupation as well, but I don't see the point in raggin on jewish folk and continual blathering about some sort of mysterious zionist plot as being any different to that of the holocost deniers.
Ariel sharons occupation is illegal and immoral, but that dont make it right to think israel has a right to exist. Do you see the difference?
Israel , one side of the border. Palestine , the other. And a big fucken UN peacekeeper force in between. And maybe Jerusalem should be put under secular rule , so all the religions can 'play'.
But anyway, thats my 0.02c
Uh Oh! President, we might have a problem.
Consumers are starting to think????!!!!! What Next! They might even start voting!!
Scramble the F1/11's!!! We might have a terrorist on our hands!
Hey, you are infact correct about the US being the only country convicted of terrorism in the ICC (or whatever one it was), but that page you linked to is fucken messed up!
Ariel Sharon is a highly violent dude to be sure, but I doubt 100% that he said "The jews control america".. That stinks to high heaven of protocols of zion kinda junk. Palestine will *never* be liberated by anti-semetism. That just plays into the hands of nazis.
And I *seriously* doubt the CIA crashed the planes into those buildings... I mean thats just... whacky.
Someone mod this dude up. "redundant" is an unfair mod.
Seriously tho, there is a Brisbane Australian Academic who I'm verry fond of called "John Hartley", and in his book "teleology, studies in television", he uses a word "Paedocracy"; Rule by children for children.
Basically the idea is that in the interests of "protecting the children", adult interests are subsumed to the point where we become as children under the regulatory reigme of parenthood. The adult never gets to 'become' an adult.
Interestingly almost EVERY study done thats found that violent tv or games causes probs in kids have tended to either come from
(A) Right wing think tanks, which most academics I've met rate somewhere around creationism in the legitimacy stakes (ie zero) or
(B) Have methodological holes the size of craters.
What *HAS* come across however, is that the only tv violence that does seem to mess with kids is.... news violence! Basically the idea is that for young kids, the violence on TV is real, and de-contextualised. Kids have a surprisingly well honed ability to tell real from play, and the worse "play" violence on TV/games seems to lead to is occasionally rougher play in the schoolyard. (Ie recreating powerrangers etc), but not to fisticuffs or anything.
Now, just the other day, a friend of mine told me in rather exasperated terms how he was freaked out that his 4 year old daughter was terrified that mister president bush was going to fly a plane and bomb her day care center. She didnt understand that the little blown up kids on the tv set (Hey nice one TV guys, showing bodies on newsflashes during 9am cartoons.. gee thanx) was part of a complex series of political events staged on the other side of the planet. The 4yo brain just dont get that iraq is not a 5 minute bus ride away, and that the Americans are 'on our side'.
Basically , she dont get the context, but knew the killing was real.
And thats the rub. Real violence causes real problems, while 'pretend' violence only leads to 'pretend' problems.
Yeah. But that's presicely the point. .
Fremantle prison was closed down along time ago after prison aguards complained it was impossible to manage the prisoners morale (Which was an 18th century limestone hellhole with buckets for toilets)
And thats the exact point of the comment. The guy on the show, a head honcho of the wa PRISONS condemned the migrant detention camps as hell holes and said that the guards and ACM where to blame, because modern prisons just don't have riots any more. They have known for ages that its not the calibre of prisoner that causes riots, but unbearable conditions. And don't you think it's a little strange that refugees who've broken no laws (It is not illegal under australian law to come to australia by boat to seek asylum btw which is why Ruddock went bezerk when labor stopped him making it illegal. When Ruddock claims refugees are illegal , he's actually commiting a rather serious defamation offence.) are treated to conditions that'd make hitler proud while murderers cop 15 years in what amounts to a luxury appartment all expenses paid.
Yah dude, it was an unfortunate event, but these folk are really desparate. Many face deportation to countries where they face torture and death. Also many psychiatrists have noted that indefinate detention (Of developed countries, australia is the ONLY one that does this) of unknown time incommunicado can lead to radical behaviour. Keep in mind that the chief inspector dude of west australian prisons has been banned from detention centres, because he commented that the refugees are treated worse than animals and murderers in high security prisons enjoy much better conditions, and noted that in prison administration circles, it is felt that riots ONLY occur due to mistreatment and mismanagement of prisoners. Put it this way, I can't remember the last time prisoners rioted in west australia.
Letters from refugees,
Baxter watch
Cathlic groups information sheet,
Edmund Ignatious Rice centre, Debunking myths about Asylum Seekers"
Green left weekly aka "The trots" :) (Insider joke in Australian politics)...
Anyway, yeah this stuff does happen. A mate of mine, a palestinian legit immigrant got given hell and deported (temporarilly, he was allowed back in) for screwing a piece of paperwork. When he was in the detention center prior to deportyness he saw folk trying to commit suicide on two occasions (He was only in detention for a week), and reconed the whole place was a nightmare. His house has been searched , his wife (an aussie) harassed. I know of other stories of students (I work at a student union), usually black or mid east, folk being threatened because of religion, wierd asio harassment. Racist immigration officials etc.
The sad thing, is that for the most part most australians are incredibly tolerant and friendly. It's a pretty multicultural society, but everytime the press or someone critisizes the government over what is truly an aberation against the australian fair-go spirit, people just seem to go "Oh this musnt be true. Our government would *never* do that!"... except they do.
I plan to try and verify this tail and rain shit and fire on the im dept for this. It's about time aussies realised what a violent scam the im dept here has become.
(Pissed off and angry)
Shayne.
Shit.
Mods: Who ever modded this as troll- Why is it so? This is a guy who got burned hard and its worth airing.
This is an outrage and it really upset me. I'm going to forward this to a couple of people I know involved with imigration law & advocacy. Do you mind? (If you would rather me not, email me at shayne@guild.murdoch.edu.au) I also am on a first name with a few politicians. Theyre gunna hear this too.
Most of my countrymen just don't realise how nasty the culture of the immigration department has gotten. And when folk like refugees turn up, they cop this X 10 *AND* a whole bunch of xenophobic shit.
If you have the names of any of em, email me and I'll pass them on. there is an ombudsmen as well, and the anti corruption commission.
You really do deserve respect, and I hope that this doesnt permanently put you off our otherwise lovely country.
Sorry dude,
Shayne.
No dude , there out there, you just gotta look above the chest line and LISTEN to realise that.
I know many, extremely geeky perl coding lego loving beowulf loving lasses. Many are just too busy working on kernel patches to socialise.
Dunno how there doing, I remember being a non-student member ten years ago, coming in and meeting the guy who slept there so he could wake up at 6am and play nethack till 10pm and go back to bed. (That said, four years later I discovered MUDs and had a simmilar spell :)
:) Plus they turned me onto minix, which eventually turned me onto linux invented by mr Torevalds a year later.
I did like those guys
I remember they also had some bashed up old VAXes, which at the time was reeeeal cool.
The funny thing about it all is that IT is the one occupation where my long hair doesnt get me locked out of the office.
:( [which where nice and cheap for this conf btw] )
A lot of people just seem to understand that IT geeks often dress clumsilly and code sharply.
Anyway, it was a tech conference. The marketing conf was in New York right.
(Oh btw... I live in perth and would of love to of gone... but sometimes GPL just doesn't pay the bills, or conf fees
Sorta.
.com was for the us and .com.au is for australia(for instance)
I remember it being the general rule that
But that kinda faded.
Ah dude, that and finally provide the leguions of quadraplegic and paraplegic wheelchair folk with a high powered champion to go and lobby governments to get off their ass to pay the research to help others ge off their ass.
[insert mushy platitude]
A hero is whoever you want to be your hero. When I was a little kid, my dad chased off and beat up two teenagers who had threatened to stab me. Now twenty years later at 28 I still think my dad is my hero.
Looked at your lover, parents or kids lately. These a little hero in everyone.
[/end mushy platitude]
It doesn't matter WHERE the casualties are from. 7 Freaking Science PIONEERS are dead.
7 of them. That one is Israeli is irrelevant. Sure, I too have grave concerns about the Israeli governments behaviour of late, but the average "David Citizen" in Israel would of been pretty proud of his countryman up there showing the world that "Jews in Space" is not just a Mel Brooks skit thing but an affirmation of a people who have had it rough and are still in rough times, but one day will surely be a people, in a country up with the best of em of people living in a high-tech nation of Peace and Justice... (One day... Once Sharon & Arafat go away and let the peace process happen properly)
This was a tragedy for israelis and everyone. I can only imagine that if an Australian(my nationality) Astronaut died like this I'd be traumatised.
Despite this I still say "Make Spaceships, Not War!".
You are right.
I had a job sometimes back, advising on IT stuff in a millitary project in australia. During that time the special forces unit had a loss in east timor.
I will also add that I am a pacifist and believe that war is always evil unless defending oneself or a smaller dependant country (In this case Timor needed defence from Kopassas militias).
But it is always sad when a service man or woman loses there life. Regardless of the politics, the 50+ allied deaths in afganistan are a tragedy. The 1000+ deaths of talisban conscript young men and civilians is also tragic.
And despite all this , this shuttle tragedy gives me pause. As a kid 25 years ago I remember waking up every morning to watch the shuttles launching on TV. I remember watching the challenger blowing up and havinbg to wake my father up (imagine young kid screaming jumping on fathers bed screaming "WAKE UP DAD! HORROR! HORROR!" or something to that effect) when the challenger blew up and dealing with the grief.
I truly believe the military aspirations of my country and my countries allies are frightening and evil. It's about killing folk. But this is not millitary , its the hope of humanity. Its our ticket off this limited planet.
Humanity future *DEPENDS* on us getting off this planet one day. These astronauts are among the pioneers of this adventures.
And yet I can only speculate that the freeze on millitary spending post challenger will happen yet again.
Lets hope Mr Bush realises that the best way to honor these matyrs of science is to ensure that mankinds aspirations in space are adequately funded.
Sorry for this rant, it's been a shit week for me. I got sacked, my uncle died and now this. Ever had the feeling that Gods pisses off. It's a sure wierd feeling when ones an athiest.
I'm also inclined to think the dependancies 'hell' one gets with linux that doesnt seem as big a problem has something to do with the dll system and microsoft being *reasonably* carefull to keep interfaces backwardly polymorphic. This is possibly one of the verry few advantages of microsofts approach.
It's not as bad as it used to be imho, particularly with apt on the rise (as a debian user I've almost forgotten the nightmare that was rpm hell)
But oh boy on my windoze box I've had way more problems than with my x-server. The linux box just sorta.... works.
http header: XML terrorist plan
{xml} {bombdata} {bombreq}
{bombtarget} america {/bombtarget}
{bombtype} semtex {/bombtype}
{diety} praise be {/diety}
{/bombreq} {/bombdata} {/xml}
I'm just imagining the "Who's more leet" battle between the windows cracker and the door cracker.
The windows cracker walks away with the door crackers AIM password.
The doors cracker walks away with the windows crackers wallet and a handfull of teeth and hair.
(Thus I'd rather be attacked by the windows hacker)
No it was a "crack" that went around more in underground circles.
It didn't come to attention till a spate of Office buildings found the safe hidden and the words "Ownzed by l337 b3rgl@rz!!!" spraypainted in foyers.
I believe Scotland yard are preparing a deb update.