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AT&T Identifies Widespread Security Hole - In Locks

__roo writes "The New York Times has an article [free registration required] about a researcher at AT&T Labs Research who has discovered a little-known vulnerability in many locks that lets a person create a copy of the master key for an entire building by starting with any key from that building, and it requires little more than a file and a few key blanks."

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  1. i suppose that by mrpuffypants · · Score: 5, Funny

    so now Master is going to have to release patches and hotfixes?

    "Hey steve, check out my new lock!"

    "pffft, is it v.3.21.7?"

    "no"

    "that's like an invite for key kiddies and 1337 crackers"

    1. Re:i suppose that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Looks like there is a way to hack without worying about the DMCA!

    2. Re:i suppose that by HermDog · · Score: 4, Funny

      I must have missed the CERT advisory. Which Linux distros are affected? OpenBSD, of course, is not vulnerable as long as you use the default installation inside the welded safe.

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    3. Re:i suppose that by sg_oneill · · Score: 4, Funny

      No it was a "crack" that went around more in underground circles.

      It didn't come to attention till a spate of Office buildings found the safe hidden and the words "Ownzed by l337 b3rgl@rz!!!" spraypainted in foyers.

      I believe Scotland yard are preparing a deb update.

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    4. Re:i suppose that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Lockpicking has become a popular non-electronic hacker sport. Some links: Sportenthusiasts of Lockpicking, Wired, more links.

    5. Re:i suppose that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mod parent up +1 informative

    6. Re:i suppose that by macdaddy357 · · Score: 1

      I suppose that AT&T is about to start marketing a line of electronic locks with key cards, and this FUD about regular locks is part of the plan. The telecom market is in the crapper, and AT&T is looking for other revenue streams. Corporations don't do reasearch, or publish findings as a public service, they do it to grab a buck.

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    7. Re:i suppose that by zcat_NZ · · Score: 2

      "Has become?!!" - check your jargon file.. lockpicking was a popular sport amongst hackers from WAY BACK.

      Also, I'm not sure how new this is; When I was at high school (about 20 years ago) a friend of mine managed to get hold of four or five different keys and from those he filed a 'master key' which opened about a third of the doors in our school, and he let a couple of us (me included) make a copy of it. Later the school found out, he got expelled and they changed all the locks.

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    8. Re:i suppose that by andrew_0812 · · Score: 1

      If anyone wants to read the actual article that Matt Blaze Wrote. It can be found here.

      Really interesting stuff, however, as others have said, it really is only common sense. That is probably why no one has written a paper about it before.

    9. Re:i suppose that by satch89450 · · Score: 1
      I suppose that AT&T is about to start marketing a line of electronic locks with key cards, and this FUD about regular locks is part of the plan.

      Then you don't know Matt Blaze, do you?

      I do know that he has been looking at mechanical locking systems for years, and probably before he was at Bell/AT&T. Matt isn't the only computer-security guy who decided to take a gander at mechanical locks with the eyes of a crypto-analyst and computer counter-cracker.

      My neighbor, who is a locksmith, hasn't heard about any AT&T product announcement, so until a press release pops up, I say "BZZZZT. But thanks for playing.!"

    10. Re:i suppose that by Ho-Lee-Cow! · · Score: 1

      so now Master is going to have to release patches and hotfixes?

      You take them to a place like Home Depot or Lowes and pay the 5 bucks to have them rekeyed. ;)

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    11. Re:i suppose that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I ssmust have missed the CERT advisory. Which Linux distros are affected? OpenBSD, of course, is not vwulnerable as long as you use the default installation inside the welded safe I must have misssed the CERT advisory. Which Linux distros are safsfected? OpenBSD, of course, is not vulnerable as long as you use the default installation inside the welded safe

  2. here... by REBloomfield · · Score: 4, Informative

    For those that don't want to register, here's the full text:

    Master Key Copying Revealed
    By JOHN SCHWARTZ

    A security researcher has revealed a little-known vulnerability in many locks that lets a person create a copy of the master key for an entire building by starting with any key from that building.

    The researcher, Matt Blaze of AT&T Labs-Research, found the vulnerability by applying his area of expertise -- the security flaws that allow hackers to break into computer networks -- to the real-world locks and keys that have been used for more than a century in office buildings, college campuses and some residential complexes.

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    The attack described by Mr. Blaze, which is known by some locksmiths, leaves no evidence of tampering. It can be used without resorting to removing the lock and taking it apart or other suspicious behavior that can give away ordinary lock pickers.

    All that is needed, Mr. Blaze wrote, is access to a key and to the lock that it opens, as well as a small number of uncut key blanks and a tool to cut them to the proper shape. No special skills or tools are required; key-cutting machines costing hundreds of dollars apiece make the task easier, but the same results can be achieved with a simple metal file.

    After testing the technique repeatedly against the hardware from major lock companies, Mr. Blaze wrote, "it required only a few minutes to carry out, even when using a file to cut the keys."

    AT&T decided that the risk of abuse of the information was great, so it has taken the unusual step of posting an alert to law enforcement agencies nationwide. The alert describes the technique and the possible defenses against it, though the company warns that no simple solution exists.

    The paper, which Mr. Blaze has submitted for publication in a computer security journal, has troubled security experts who have seen it. Marc Weber Tobias, a locks expert who works as a security consultant to law enforcement agencies, said he was rewriting his police guide to locks and lock-picking because of the paper. He said the technique could open doors worldwide for criminals and terrorists. "I view the problem as pretty serious," he said, adding that the technique was so simple, "an idiot could do it."

    The technique is not news to locksmiths, said Lloyd Seliber, the head instructor of master-key classes for Schlage, a lock company that is part of Ingersoll-Rand. He said he even taught the technique, which he calls decoding, in his training program for locksmiths.

    "This has been true for 150 years," Mr. Seliber said.

    Variations on the decoding technique have also been mentioned in passing in locksmith trade journals, but usually as a way for locksmiths to replace a lost master key and not as a security risk.

    When told that Mr. Seliber taught the technique to his students, Mr. Tobias said: "He may teach it, but it's new in the security industry. Security managers don't know about it."

    In the paper, Mr. Blaze applies the principles of cryptanalysis, ordinarily used to break secret codes, to the analysis of mechanical lock designs. He describes a logical, deductive approach to learning the shape of a master key by building on clues provided by the key in hand -- an approach that cryptanalysts call an oracle attack. The technique narrows the number of tries that would be necessary to discover a master-key configuration to only dozens of attempts, not the thousands of blind tries that would otherwise be necessary.

    The research paper might seem an odd choice of topics for a computer scientist, but Mr. Blaze noted that in his role as a security researcher for AT&T Labs, he examined issues that went to the heart of business security wherever they arose, whether in the digital world or the world of steel and brass.

    Since publishing Mr. Blaze's technique could lead to an increase in thefts and other crimes, it presented an ethical quandary for him and for AT&T Labs -- the kind of quandary that must also be confronted whenever new security holes are discovered in computing.

    "There's no way to warn the good guys without also alerting the bad guys," Mr. Blaze said. "If there were, then it would be much simpler -- we would just tell the good guys."

    Publishing a paper about vulnerable locks, however, presented greater challenges than a paper on computer flaws.
    The Internet makes getting the word out to those who manage computer networks easy, and fixing a computer vulnerability is often as simple as downloading a software patch. Getting word out to the larger, more amorphous world of security officers and locksmiths is a more daunting task, and for the most part, locks must be changed mechanically, one by one.

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    But Mr. Blaze said the issue of whether to release information about a serious vulnerability almost inevitably came down to a decision in favor of publication.

    "The real problem is there's no way of knowing whether the bad guys know about an attack," he said, so publication "puts the good guys and the bad guys on equal footing."

    In this case, the information appears to have made its way already to the computer underground. The AT&T alert to law enforcement officials said that a prepublication version of the paper distributed privately by Mr. Blaze for review last fall had been leaked onto the Internet, though it has not been widely circulated.

    "At this point we believe that it is no longer possible to keep the vulnerability secret and that more good than harm would now be done by warning the wider community," the company wrote.

    There is evidence that others have chanced upon other versions of the technique over the years. Though it does not appear in resources like "The M.I.T. Guide to Lockpicking," a popular text available on the Internet, Mr. Blaze said, "several of the people I've described this to over the past few months brightened up and said they had come on part of this to make a master key to their college dorm."

    Mr. Blaze acknowledged that he was only the first to publish a detailed look at the security flaw and the technique for exploiting it.

    "I don't think I'm the first person to discover this attack, but I do think I'm the first person to work out all the details and write it down," he said. "Burglars are interested in committing burglary, not in publishing results or warning people."

    Mr. Tobias, the author of "Locks, Safes and Security: An International Police Reference," said that the technique was most likely to be used by an insider -- someone with ready access to a key and a lock. But it could also be used, he said, by an outsider who simply went into a building and borrowed the key to a restroom.

    He said he had tested Mr. Blaze's technique the way that he tests many of the techniques described in his book: he gave instructions and materials to a 15-year-old in his South Dakota town to try out. The teenager successfully made a master key.

    In the alert, AT&T warned, "Unfortunately, at this time there is no simple or completely effective countermeasure that prevents exploitation of this vulnerability, short of replacing a master-keyed system with a nonmastered one."

    The letter added, "Residential facilities and safety-critical or high-value environments are strongly urged to consider whether the risks of master keying outweigh the convenience benefits in light of this new vulnerability."

    Other defenses could make it harder to create master keys.

    Mr. Blaze said that owners of master-key systems could move to the less popular master-ring system, which allows a master key to operate the tumblers in a way that is not related to the individual keys. But that system has problems of its own, security experts say.

    Mr. Blaze suggested that creating a fake master key could also be made more difficult by using locks for which key blanks are difficult to get, though even those blanks can be bought in many hardware stores and through the Internet.

    But few institutions want to spend the money for robust security, said Mr. Seliber of Schlage. His company recommends to architects and builders that they take steps like those recommended by Mr. Blaze, measures that make it more difficult to cut extra keys -- like using systems that are protected by patents because their key blanks are somewhat harder to buy, Mr. Seliber said. Even though such measures would add only 1 to 2 percent to the cost of each door, builders were often told to take a cheaper route. He said that they were told, " `We're not worried about ninjas rappelling in from the roof stuff -- take it easy.' "

    That is not news to Mr. Blaze, who said it was also a familiar refrain in the world of computer security. "As any computer security person knows," he said, "in a battle between convenience and security, convenience has a way of winning."

    1. Re:here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know you're just trying to help and all, but this is kind of illegal... and it's not like you posted a copy of copyrighted material on your personal page - this is friggin slashdot! There are other ways for people to read the article without signing up for nyt.com...

    2. Re:here... by n9hmg · · Score: 1

      ok, yeah, it probably is illegal, but in case you haven't noticed, the NYT is actually /.ed. So many people having to make up phone creds to log in that their authentication server is dead.
      I'm not saying it makes it legal, but it's good that it's posted here, since NYT can't handle their own traffic. Incidentally, if copypasting is illegal, why is google's cache legal?

    3. Re:here... by creynolds · · Score: 3, Informative

      For example, you can always use the NYT Random Login Generator (read at least the first paragraph there)

    4. Re:here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe Google's cache is legal because it's primary use is covered under fair use. This, however, is not. Google uses their cache like an encyclopedia. I can go there and get cached pages on any hit I get. Here, I am only getting the copyrighted material you have chosen to bring over so that the NYT's web site may be circumvented.

      In the case I'm wrong and their (Google's) use is illegal, just because they have not been sued/thrown in jail does not make it legal for you to do it.

    5. Re:here... by Alsee · · Score: 1

      ...college campuses and some residential complexes.

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      The attack described by Mr. Blaze ... changed mechanically, one by one.

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      But Mr. Blaze said the issue of whether...


      Dude! If you're going to post the story at least have the decency to edit out the advertisements! :D

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    6. Re:here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're correct in that it's illegal, but in this particular case I think that NYT would be stupid to press charges, since they've been done a favor by relieving the strain from their already overloaded servers. For example, if a passerby broke your window and entered your home in order to put out a fire, you could still press charges for breaking and entering, but you might decide the person was doing you a favor by keeping your house from burning down and thank them rather than have them arrested.

    7. Re:here... by TwP · · Score: 1

      By posting the entire contents of a New York Times story on Slashdot you have just circumvented a copyright protection mechanism and are criminally liable under the DMCA. The lawyers have been dispatched.

    8. Re:here... by REBloomfield · · Score: 1

      Out of curiosity, where's the copy protection mechanism? Or are you merely being flippant? :)

    9. Re:here... by TwP · · Score: 1

      The copy protection mechanism would be the required registration. And yes, I am being flippant. However, they [New York Times] really could sue under the DMCA -- what a shame.

  3. Re:I'm locked out of the article.. by fistynuts · · Score: 2, Funny

    How did you post that message then?

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  4. Here it is without registering for NYT by elodan · · Score: 5, Informative
  5. Re:I'm locked out of the article.. by Meleneth · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I would never post a message either.

    What are you implying, sir?

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  6. Re:I'm locked out of the article.. by REBloomfield · · Score: 1

    Then scroll down. Aren't I nice :) Saved you the hassle good sir...

  7. of course by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Every programmer puts backdoors in his code so he can wreak havoc when he's laid off.
    Why should the lock business be any different?

    In other news, guard dog sales are up...

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    1. Re:of course by hatchet · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Actually this 'flaw' is because it's much cheaper to make such locks. And masterkeys have been is use for decades by our postmen.
      Anyway.. if someone wants to break a lock he will do it no matter what lock is it. But of course this article will not help with safety of our homes and offices. I doubt it will help thieves as well.

    2. Re:of course by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      Your home isn't at risk, because you don't have a master lock..

  8. Of course.. by tomknight · · Score: 0, Funny
    ..it's all Microsoft's fault.

    Tom.

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  9. Re:I'm locked out of the article.. by Meleneth · · Score: 1

    thanks, just waiting for it to appear :)

    (waits for time to go by so he can post)

    (waits for more time to go by so he can post)

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  10. d00d I have your brass k0d3z by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    And eye will own your barbies!#()!)(% PHEYUR!!! this is a sig line this is a sig line this is a sig line

  11. Upgrade quickly by angelsdescent · · Score: 4, Funny


    In the cert advisory, The Microsoft Corporation are quoted "Those who upgrade to Windows XP Service Pack One should be unaffected by this exploit"

    :-)

    1. Re:Upgrade quickly by squiggleslash · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think everyone should be made aware that this vulnerability largely affects doors rather than windows...

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    2. Re:Upgrade quickly by sg_oneill · · Score: 1

      I'm just imagining the "Who's more leet" battle between the windows cracker and the door cracker.

      The windows cracker walks away with the door crackers AIM password.
      The doors cracker walks away with the windows crackers wallet and a handfull of teeth and hair.

      (Thus I'd rather be attacked by the windows hacker)

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    3. Re:Upgrade quickly by pro-mpd · · Score: 1

      So, how often does Dynix release patches?

    4. Re:Upgrade quickly by Spoing · · Score: 1
      I think everyone should be made aware that this vulnerability largely affects doors rather than windows...

      Pah! Everything effects Windows .

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    5. Re:Upgrade quickly by rmohr02 · · Score: 1

      Ahh, Doors.

  12. better get your copy of the paper while you can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    http://www.crypto.com/papers/

  13. Overstating the risk? by hcdejong · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I see several problems with the article.

    He said the technique could open doors worldwide for criminals and terrorists.

    • Surely, any place that's a likely target for terrorists has more security in place than cylinder locks? Like keycard access systems, or Marine guards with machine guns? This is more a criminal than a terrorist problem.
    • Most types of terrorist attack don't require access to keys. Just park a truck full of explosives in the general vicinity.
    • If the technique has been known to locksmiths, what makes the author think lockpickers haven't known about it, too?
    • This technique is only marginally safer (less detectable) than an attack with lockpicking tools.

    All in all, the article sounds more like fearmongering than a real concern.

    1. Re:Overstating the risk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "This technique is only marginally safer (less detectable) than an attack with lockpicking tools."

      Less detectable....and unless your one hell of a lockpicker much quicker too. This attack is much easier for a novice to carry out than trying to pick a lock with picks...

      -Psy

    2. Re:Overstating the risk? by GigsVT · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not even a criminal problem in reality. I've be willing to bet that 99.9% of criminals don't know how to pick locks, and don't care. There is usually little point in picking a lock when a door can be kicked in, a window broken, a lock drilled, or a padlock cut.

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    3. Re:Overstating the risk? by Peter+Greenwood · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Don't forget, terrorists do research. Imagine an office building where someone can get taken on as a cleaner in one of the less sensitive office suites, without security checks. Obviously they get a key to that suite.

      Now imagine you work there, in a different suite, in some counter-terrorism capacity. Do you start looking under your car for plastic explosive, or not?

      Or imagine you work elsewhere, but a colleague has an office there and keeps your name and address handy ...

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    4. Re:Overstating the risk? by sql*kitten · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Surely, any place that's a likely target for terrorists has more security in place than cylinder locks? Like keycard access systems, or Marine guards with machine guns? This is more a criminal than a terrorist problem.

      You might think so, but consider this example. There are no litter bins in British railway stations, and very few in the centre of London, like the Square Mile. This is because IRA terrorists would leave explosive in them, in order to kill or main as many noncombatants as possible. I think that clearly illustrates that a terrorist can turn the most ordinary, everyday objects into weapons. Maybe there's nothing important in the janitor's closet, but the lock is still there for a reason.

      If the technique has been known to locksmiths, what makes the author think lockpickers haven't known about it, too?

      True, but there's a difference between gaining a skill yourself and having step by step instructions. For example, any Chemistry graduate could make explosives from scratch, working from basic principles. However, anyone with step by step instructions could make it from everyday items, and those are the ones to worry about.

    5. Re:Overstating the risk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All in all, the article sounds more like fearmongering than a real concern.

      Which article?

    6. Re:Overstating the risk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are no litter bins in British railway stations, and very few in the centre of London,

      So where do people throw their trash? On the ground??

    7. Re:Overstating the risk? by gorilla · · Score: 1
      If the technique has been known to locksmiths, what makes the author think lockpickers haven't known about it, too?

      I'm sure they do. It's obviously possible to make a key if can disemble to lock to see the pins and if there is a master key, then it's going to be the one which isn't the single key. This technique is only marginally safer (less detectable) than an attack with lockpicking tools.

      I'd argue that it's more detectable. You can walk up to a door, and try and pick it. If someone comes, you can quickly walk away. With this attack, you've got to remove and disassemble the lock, which means that if someone walks up, then you're not going to be able to quickly disguise what you've been doing.

    8. Re:Overstating the risk? by rendle · · Score: 1

      No, but it's a real risk. There are terrorists hiding in the milk. That's why we have to bomb Iraq.

    9. Re:Overstating the risk? by sql*kitten · · Score: 1

      So where do people throw their trash? On the ground??

      Unfortunately many people do, but at the larger railway stations there are cleaners pushing carts with transparent plastic bags hanging from frames. You wait for one to pass, or catch them up, and drop your sandwich wrapper or whatever into their bag. I did that at Liverpool Street this lunchtime.

    10. Re:Overstating the risk? by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      "Unfortunately many people do, but at the larger railway stations there are cleaners pushing carts with transparent plastic bags hanging from frames"

      Which, of course, largely defeats the point of not having the bins; the cleaners often leave their trolleys unattended, so it would be easy for a terrorist to wait a while and drop a bomb into the trolley while the cleaner isn't around.

      As usual, it's a case of burrowcrats living in a fantasy world when they impose their "bright ideas" on the rest of us.

    11. Re:Overstating the risk? by 0123456 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "With this attack, you've got to remove and disassemble the lock"

      Which part of "it can be used without resorting to removing the lock and taking it apart" did you not understand?

    12. Re:Overstating the risk? by reverseengineer · · Score: 2

      Well, the big advantage to this sort of attack is that you don't do most of the work out in the open. While in many situations it would indeed appear suspicious, it's not totally obvious what your intent is if you've removed the lock to a door that you have the key to open anyway. Assuming you do it with some measure of discreetness, it's likely no one would even know. You can then perform this master key making operation in secret, and then replace your lock. You now have a master key. At this point, entering the door of your choice could scarcely qualify as an "attack"- it's a simple measure of unlocking the door with the master. Depending on the particular door and what's behind it, you may be able to do this in broad daylight with hundreds of people around- if people see you confidently walk up with a key and open a door marked "Authorized Personnel Only" or similar with the key, they're going to be much more likely to assume that you're Authorized Personnel than a clever criminal who cut a master. You could probably even do this in full view of security staff, depending on circumstances. Given that you have come to possess a regular key somehow, you probably have been legitimately granted access rights to part of the same building anyway, so your presence probably won't be taken as unusual. Pretty much the only people you'd have to worry about are maintenance personnel/building supervisors- i.e., people who may know exactly who is supposed to have a master key.

      I don't think this paper is going to set off a rash of burglaries and attacks, however. This method is still a lot of work given that most locks out there can be forced open with simple tools in seconds- getting regular access and then making a key is too much effort for the smash-and-grab crowd. For the doors that contain really nice stuff behind them, I'm going to guess that many are protected by more than just one lock that is part of a master key system. They may have their own key at least, and obviously for higher security doors, you're looking at the personal identification and trained men with guns approach to security, which is generally quite successful.

      The venue where this becomes most applicable is probably in academia, where, for better or for worse, academic freedom tends to mean lax security. At the university physics department where I work, I have both a building entry key and a room key. I'm fairly certain that my room key is part of a master key system- if I had a master key, I would have access to the entire physics building, where a good quanitity of dangerous and expensive materials and equipment reside. Having a master would allow you access to every room in most dormitories, as well- I expect if this paper circulates on college campuses, it will no doubt lead to some hilarious pranks, but perhaps a few thefts as well.

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    13. Re:Overstating the risk? by karnal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are right. Most criminals out there do not want to waste time with this. But I would think the "smart" ones would actually want it to appear as if nothing is wrong.

      For instance, let's say someone robs a house. It's obvious right away if the door is kicked in and the jamb is busted. However, if the thief is selective about what is taken (which, they never are) and also has the skills to not cause a lot of damage on the way in, then those "selective" stolen items may go unnoticed for some time, which gives the thief more time to fade into the noise.

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    14. Re:Overstating the risk? by jabuzz · · Score: 2, Informative

      The situation was so bad at one point in the early 1990's that British Aerospace even designed and tested bomb proof bins. The idea is that they acted like a gun barrel and directed the force of the blast straight upwards, so that the only people to get hurt would be those actually sitting on top of them.

      However the IRA ceasefire put an end to the development.

    15. Re:Overstating the risk? by magarity · · Score: 3, Informative

      IRA terrorists would leave explosive in them, in order to kill or main

      It must be pointed out that nowadays IRA terrorists have a habit of telling the police the general vicinity of said bombs so that civilians can be evacuated. Traffic gets snarled and countless commuters are late, but when was the last time lots of people were killed or maimed by an IRA bomb?
      You must be thinking of the Basque.

    16. Re:Overstating the risk? by mindstrm · · Score: 1

      This is not even really lock picking. It doesn't require the same skill.

      Lock picking will get you in a door.

      This will get you a key to anywhere in the building.

    17. Re:Overstating the risk? by mindstrm · · Score: 1

      Disassemble the lock? where does it say that? All you do is try a few keys and file them down.

    18. Re:Overstating the risk? by beamz · · Score: 1

      And tell me how lock picking won't get you to anywhere in a building?

    19. Re:Overstating the risk? by mveloso · · Score: 1

      Lets say you want too go steal a bunch of equipment from a lab in your university. Wouldn't you rather use a method that implicates someone on the inside (entering with no signs of forced entry)?

      Plus, breaking in can attract attention. Why would you want to do that? Just turn your key and go.

      Or, say, you want to break into your neighbor's apartment. Well now it's easy - just walk on in any time you want, and nobody'd be able to tell.

      Or even better, you now have access to every office in your building. Go crazy in the HR department, and as a bonus the HR workers have their usernames and passwords in their desks for easy access.

      Your attitude just shows a lack of imagination. It's a real concern if you live in the Real World.

    20. Re:Overstating the risk? by ckd · · Score: 3, Informative
      It must be pointed out that nowadays IRA terrorists have a habit of telling the police the general vicinity of said bombs so that civilians can be evacuated. Traffic gets snarled and countless commuters are late, but when was the last time lots of people were killed or maimed by an IRA bomb?

      How about the Omagh bombing in 1998?

      Police were clearing an area near the local courthouse, 40 minutes after receiving a telephone warning, when the bomb detonated.

      But the warning was unclear and the wrong area was evacuated.

      Instead, people were being directed towards the device when it went off shortly after 1500 (BST).

      Women and children - one just 18 months old - are among the dead, many of whom, only moments before the blast, had been standing behind white tape which police had erected when clearing the streets.

      29 dead. (In other words, about 1% of the September 11th attacks.)

    21. Re:Overstating the risk? by Reziac · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Here's where social engineering comes into play. If you're caught with lockpicking tools, you were obviously up to no good. But if you're caught with a key (and most people wouldn't know a master key from an individual key), it looks like you have every right to enter. After all, why else would you possess the key in the first place?

      "But officer, this IS my office -- I have the key right here!!"

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    22. Re:Overstating the risk? by Rich0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And tell me how lock picking won't get you to anywhere in a building?

      Keep in mind that lock-picking looks suspicious and takes time at every door. This technique could be used by an insider to expand their access in a much less suspicious manner (by playing with their own office lock, for instance). It sounds like there are only 40 or 50 possible attempts to try (try, file, try, file, etc...). If that is the case, then you bring in 5 blanks to work, try them all, take them home, and do the same the next day after appropriate filing - you'd have the master in two weeks.

      Also - once you have the master you have instant access to EVERY lock. Picking only opens a single lock, with some effort expended. If you want to sneak around you would want to be able to just walk through a building at will looking like you belong there.

      I think this would be a technique used in corporate espionage. An agent would get a job as a janitor or some low-level job, and then get a master key to the building. They could show up in inconspicuous clothing during a different shift away from their normal work area and just waltz through the building looking like they belong. You couldn't do that with a lockpick during regular hours.

    23. Re:Overstating the risk? by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      And tell me how lock picking won't get you to anywhere in a building?

      his point was that if you pick the lock, it only gets you into one lock. If you want to get in another, you have to pick that one too. If you make a key using this method, you can get in ANY door with no additional work. Picking locks is time consuming.

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    24. Re:Overstating the risk? by kent_eh · · Score: 1

      Most criminals out there do not want to waste time with this. But I would think the "smart" ones would actually want it to appear as if nothing is wrong.
      In my experience "smart" and "criminal" are mutually exclusive terms.

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    25. Re:Overstating the risk? by bigboard · · Score: 1

      If by general vicinity you mean, "It might be somewhere within 4 miles of this place, and it might go off at some unspecified point in the next day", then yes, you're right. Don't believe their bullshit.

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    26. Re:Overstating the risk? by kent_eh · · Score: 1

      Hence the transparent bags, I suspect.
      But your point is still fairly valid. If someone is determined enough, they will find a way to cause trouble.

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    27. Re:Overstating the risk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It makes it easy to do an inside job. It should worry companies that employ lots of engineers and are getting layoff happy.

    28. Re:Overstating the risk? by Desert+Raven · · Score: 1

      You are right. Most criminals out there do not want to waste time with this. But I would think the "smart" ones would actually want it to appear as if nothing is wrong.

      Even the smart ones don't always care. Here in the Phoenix area, we've got a crew nicknamed the Rock Burglars who have been robbing upscale homes for ten years. They're called the rock burglars, because that's how they get into the house, they throw a rock through a back window.

      However, they do meet your other criteria. They are very selective about what they take, just the jewelry.

    29. Re:Overstating the risk? by MrEd · · Score: 2, Interesting
      29 dead. (In other words, about 1% of the September 11th attacks.)


      Or, for a less familiar frame of reference, 0.9% of the number of Afghan civilians directly killed by US bombs, not counting starvation deaths due to halted foreign aid caravans during the bombing.

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    30. Re:Overstating the risk? by RadioTV · · Score: 1

      I had a friend in high school that could walk up to a home, business or pad lock and open ~90% in less than 30 seconds with a pick and wrench. all it take is a delicate touch and lot of practice.

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      I have great faith in fools - self confidence my friends call it. - Edgar Allan Poe
    31. Re:Overstating the risk? by cp5i6 · · Score: 1

      erm... it's not that hard if you know your chem.. HCl + Al= H + Spark = Bang... you can readily buy HCL at any hardware store and it's even listed as HCL and if you dont know what Al is... well ... you shouldn't be reading this then.

      but dont try this at home

    32. Re:Overstating the risk? by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      "Hence the transparent bags, I suspect."

      Which makes a difference how? Terrorist walks into the station carrying a bomb in a carrier bag, drops it into the unattended trolley and walks away. Or a big chocolate box, or some similar innocuous container. It's not as though they're likely to carry a bomb around in an obvious manner.

    33. Re:Overstating the risk? by WhiplashII · · Score: 1

      Of course, if they really get a job as a janitor, they HAVE a master key. And they probably work at night, so no one can see them in the act anyway.

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    34. Re:Overstating the risk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm, I always thought that there were no bins because your liked to throw your rubbish on the ground.

      Dan

    35. Re:Overstating the risk? by Miksa · · Score: 0

      Someone dropping a full chocolate bag would probably look suspicious. Once again, this doesn't make it foolproof, just a little bit harder.

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    36. Re:Overstating the risk? by sql*kitten · · Score: 1

      29 dead. (In other words, about 1% of the September 11th attacks.)

      Yeah, but every few weeks for 30 years. Mostly paid for out of the pockets of New Yorkers, via an organization called NORAID. The money the IRA didn't get from Americans, they got from Columbian drug smugglers in return for providing training in the fine art of terrorism.

      I'm not saying that any individual victims of al-Queda "deserved it". But Karma is a bitch.

    37. Re:Overstating the risk? by Hierarch · · Score: 1
      Ye olde blockquote:

      If you're caught with lockpicking tools, you were obviously up to no good.


      Not exactly. Last I checked, in all 50 states in the USA (but not the District of Columbia, where you need to be a professional locksmith) the laws read that carrying lockpicks was fine, not possession of burglar's tools, as long as you don't plan to use them in furtherance of another crime.

      I'm in New York State, and I researched the laws carefully before I started carrying around my own homemade lockpicks. Just for safety's sake, I also carry around a copy of the relevant penal code with the lockpicks just so I can keep a police officer who's not up on the law from confiscating them out of hand. (Easier than trying to get them back if wrongfully confiscated!)

      The text of the law reads:

      140.35 Possession of burglar's tools

      A person is guilty of possession of burglar's tools when he possessed any tool, instrument or other article adapted, designed or commonly used for committing or facilitating offenses involving forcible entry into premises, or offenses involving larceny by a physical taking, or offenses involving theft of services as defined in subdivisions four, five, and six of section 165.15, under circumstances evincing an intent to use or knowledge that some person intends to use the same in the commission of an offense of such character.

      Possession of burglar's tools is a class A misdemeanor.


      Of course, if you're wandering around a building to which you have no legitimate access, you're still quite screwed, since that constitutes circumstances evincing an intent to commit a crime, breaking and entering. Or rather that you've already committed it, and then the possession is an additional misdemeanor charge. Fortunately, there are strong guidelines for when the courts can consider such an intent to be evinced.

      For example:


      Where circumstances surrounding defendant's possession of 12-inch screwdriver were as consistent with innocence as with guilt, it was error to find defendant guilty of possession of burglar's tools. The mere possession of a tool ordinarily used for legitimate purposes cannot be translated into posession or use condemned by this section in absence of circumstances evidencing intent to use it for unlawful purpose.

      People v Perez (1958) 7 AD2d 633, 179 NYS2d 877.


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    38. Re:Overstating the risk? by plover · · Score: 1
      The article is spare on details, because the NYT does not really want to risk publishing this already publically available information. (They're trying to avoid the "Look, lock picking info right here in the Times!" claims.)

      First, you really should read Matt's paper, then you might understand the details of the attack as well as gain an appreciation for its simplicity.

      I'm not going to argue the difference between terrorists and criminals, or between terror targets and criminal targets. Let's just say that the value of a Top Master Key to either group would be higher than not having one.

      Matt makes mention in the paper that he found no reference to this type of attack in the available locksmithing literature, either in trade publications, reference materials, manufacturers information or in the underground literature. He speculates that the idea is simple enough that he probably wasn't the first to take the approach; but if it was already a known weakness, locksmiths around the world sure hadn't been getting together anywhere to say "Hey, let's fix this problem." When he brought it to the attention of law enforcement and lock manufacturers last September, they started to get word out. And as word of the defense spread, news of the attack spread faster, so Matt felt justified in publishing it openly. Now, the industry had better move fast, as faith in their product is being eroded.

      Matt includes the math indicating how many attempts need to be made by the attacker. Most commercial systems would take about 40 attempts or so. This is much faster than traditional lockpicking.

      The basic idea here is that the attacker is already someone trusted enough to use the lock for which he has already been legitimately given a key. The attacker can walk up to the lock, and if nobody is paying much attention he can try a test key. If nobody continues to notice him, he can try a second, or a third, etc. If someone does come by, he pulls out his legitimate key, apologizes "Oops, I tried my house key without thinking, sorry I didn't mean to slow you down" opens the lock, and goes about his ordinary business. He's a legitimate employee, with a legitimate key and has every right in the world to put his key in the lock. But he uses that right as cover for his illegitimate attack. It would certainly be possible to perform the attack right in front of a receptionist over the course of a month, just by trying only one test key each trip through a door. If the receptionist even noticed anything, it would probably be along the lines of "you take longer to open that door than anyone else in this office." The social-engineer's reply would then be "the key they gave me is sticky, it usually takes a couple times to get it to work right." Instead of suspicion, the attacker gets sympathy.

      It's a real flaw, and a very easily exploited one. I just got out my lowly supply closet key (giving highly-trusted-me access to a veritable wealth of paper clips and pencil lead refills), and with this small effort I could turn it into a key allowing me access to payroll's offices and records, the vice president's office, the closet where they keep airline tickets and petty cash, the boiler room, whatever.

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      John
    39. Re:Overstating the risk? by Fat+Casper · · Score: 1
      Don't forget, terrorists do research. Imagine an office building where someone can get taken on as a cleaner in one of the less sensitive office suites, without security checks. Obviously they get a key to that suite.

      An office building... like the White House?

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    40. Re:Overstating the risk? by latticeguy · · Score: 1

      60 ml hair bleach
      30 ml nail polish remover
      10 ml battery acid
      mix, keep cool, wait a day
      filter precipitate, wash with water
      when dry, be very careful

    41. Re:Overstating the risk? by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Handy legalese to know! But what I meant was -- if you're sticking it into a keyhole, and someone sees you -- a key definitely looks less incriminating than a lockpick. :)

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      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
    42. Re:Overstating the risk? by MightyTribble · · Score: 1

      No, they didn't. 'Bomb-proof' bins are alive and well, and are in use in the UK and the USA. Example: check out the trash cans on the Boston Metro system, or (I think - memory's a bit fuzzy) most of the bins around central London. Large, concrete affairs with a flimsy top. The ones in Boston are about two feet wide and square,with a conventional bin inside the concrete frame. They're designed to deflect the blast upwards rather than turning a thin steel trashcan into a very large fragmentation grenade.

      Of course, they're only useful for small devices as a means to minimise injury - they're not a panacea.

    43. Re:Overstating the risk? by lommer · · Score: 1

      Transparent plastic bags have two key differences from a steel trashcan:

      1) They're transparent (you can see what's in them)
      2) They don't fragment into thousands of little bits of flying steel (that can co straight through a person) when they blow up

      Neither of these makes the shopping carts an impossible target, but they make them much less attractive. As well, the carts are sometimes manned...

  14. news? by electrick · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Lock picking kits and expliots have been avalible for a very long time, out of the back of magazines (soldier of fortune, most notably) and there have even been text files about it. Why does it take a computer security expert to make us nerds consider "real life" attacks a possibility?

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    1. Re:news? by sysadmn · · Score: 1

      Because this isn't just picking a lock. It's picking every lock in a building, given access to a single key. Do you still feel safe staying at a hotel that uses a mastered lock system?

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    2. Re:news? by RPI+Geek · · Score: 1

      Because this makes finding the template for a master key a relatively fast, simple, and reliable process.

      Imagine having an office somewhere and being able to get in everyone else's offices using nothing but your own key, your own lock, a few key blanks, and a file - over a lunch break.

      If you've ever seen someone try to use a lock pick, you'd understand why this is a bigger security hazard than lock picks and other exploits. It doesn't look suspicious when you're trying it out.


      - Have a great day, I intend to.

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  15. Proverb by frn123 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is an old proverb in *.ee

    Locks are against wildlife. Humans will have no problems with them.

    1. Re:Proverb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Locks are against wildlife. Humans will have no > problems with them.

      Or the racoons in Toronto...

    2. Re:Proverb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That may be true in Estonia, but in Soviet Russia, locks open you!

  16. Another case for DMCA? by IgD · · Score: 1

    Hmmm... Seems to me this guys has come up with a technique to circumvent a technologically advanced security device. Would the DMCA apply in this situation? :)

    1. Re:Another case for DMCA? by barryfandango · · Score: 1

      Agreed - how is this publication any different from going public with De-CSS?

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      In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane. -Oscar Wilde
    2. Re:Another case for DMCA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      God, you slashdrones are obnoxious. You know the DMCA is bad because it keeps you from getting warez, but have you even read the fucking law? Hint: a physical lock doesn't fit the definition of a "device which effectively controls access to a copyright work." And before you get all cute wondering if it applies when the lock protects a room full of CDs, read the fucking definition of "effective access control."

  17. Patching ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OK, so where can I get the security patch ?

  18. Why does this not sound easy to me? by Inda · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Every time I go the cobblers to have a key cut I normally end up taking it back. The fresh key is cut on a professional key cutting machine by someone who has probably cut thousands of them - I still end up taking it back because it doesn't work in the lock. I've also worked in on the bench in an engineering company and am trained to use a file - detailed filing is not like filing your nails or removing huge burrs from machined metal.

    Load of bollocks I say.

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    1. Re:Why does this not sound easy to me? by Queuetue · · Score: 1

      I guess everyone's experience is different. I had a friend named Randy in college who could see a key for a few minutes, go home and fashion one out of a set of blanks and files that he had.

      Maybe hard to believe, but I watched him do it on 2 occasions.

    2. Re:Why does this not sound easy to me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every time I go the cobblers to have a key cut I normally end up taking it back.

      Maybe you shouldn't have your keys cut by a guy who makes shoes

    3. Re:Why does this not sound easy to me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      What's your ol' roomate up to now?

    4. Re:Why does this not sound easy to me? by Queuetue · · Score: 1

      For as long as I knew him, he never left the college. Got every degree he was interested in, then just started teaching, and became a fully institutionalized academic.

      Which is probably where he's safest. :)

    5. Re:Why does this not sound easy to me? by Reziac · · Score: 1

      I've got a lock for which I have one original key, and cannot seem to get ANYONE to cut a 100% working key for it.

      On closer examination, I find that they're all using blanks of the same manufacture, and that the blank does not *quite* match the original for shaft length (it's just a teeny bit too short). Therefore, no matter how accurately the notched part is cut, the key will never fit the lock. (If I file down the "stop" a bit, I can get it to fit, but it's never quite perfect because since this ruins the stop, I have to guess how far to insert it into the lock.)

      Apparently the exactly correct blank is no longer available, or you'd think *someone* would have it.

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    6. Re:Why does this not sound easy to me? by HedRat · · Score: 1

      >What's your ol' roomate up to now?

      15 to 20 on 2 counts with early out for good behavior.

  19. This is dumb by zanderredux · · Score: 0, Redundant
    All that is needed, Mr. Blaze wrote, is access to a key and to the lock that it opens, as well as a small number of uncut key blanks and a tool to cut them to the proper shape.

    How different is this from making an ordinary copy of a key, like people all around the world do everyday? It's like I borrowed the keys to someone's house, made a copy, gave the original back, and used the copy to open the door.

    Seems way too much noise for such a everyday thing.

    1. Re:This is dumb by phil+reed · · Score: 1

      Because you're using the key, and a little deductive reasoning, to come up with the master key. Once you do that, all locks on the same master are toast.

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    2. Re:This is dumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Have a bit of imagination:

      You go to motel on highway 666, you rent room 12, and ta-da, you have access to all 80 rooms in the motel.

      enter crazy sadistic murderer bent on killing young virgin on set...

    3. Re:This is dumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you actually read it it will tell you that you don't need the key for the lock you are opening, you just need the key for another lock with the same master key. Example would be an apartment building: you can use the key to your apartment to make a master key that will open everyone else's apartment.

    4. Re:This is dumb by Rip!ey · · Score: 2, Informative

      How different is this from making an ordinary copy of a key

      It is different because the method can be used to create a Master Key to an entire building (like every single door in a block of flats for instance) from a key that only opens one single door in the same building.

      If you make a copy of the single key, you only get to open the single door.

    5. Re:This is dumb by battjt · · Score: 1

      Read it again.

      Mr. Blaze has formalized a procedure for creating the master key (that will open the CEO's office, or the front door) from the bathroom key for sets of locks that have master keys (like office buildings or universities).

      Joe

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  20. little known? by Talisman · · Score: 4, Funny

    "...a little-known vulnerability in many locks..."

    Yeah, until now.

    Talisman

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    1. Re:little known? by yatest5 · · Score: 1
      Yeah, until now.


      Uh, yeah. It isn't described in the article. So, like, what are you on about?

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    2. Re:little known? by stud9920 · · Score: 4, Funny
      "...a little-known vulnerability in many locks..."
      Yeah, until now.
      You do not actually believe ./ folks read the article, do you ?
  21. Nice article... by pVoid · · Score: 4, Interesting
    His company recommends to architects and builders that they take steps like those recommended by Mr. Blaze, measures that make it more difficult to cut extra keys -- like using systems that are protected by patents because their key blanks are somewhat harder to buy [...]

    I find it interesting seeing that security by obfuscation is a prevalent concept throughout mankinds realm. I guess it is nurtured by the ostrich-sticking-head-in-sand effect of thinking something doesn't exist if we're not aware of it.

    It also makes me laugh how newspapers always skew stuff for sensationalism: now terrorists are one step closer to the US. They are pounding on the gates! WATCH OUT!!!. I think this security whole is mostly going to be used by 16 year old K-Mart workers.

    Anyways, very nice article in the end, and hats off to AT&T for having 'brass hats'.

    1. Re:Nice article... by BVD · · Score: 1

      Ah. Security through obsurity w/ regards to key lanks. Now that brings back memories of the quest for the Ruswin (sp?) 17N key blank. In the area where I had a Ruswin 17N key, none of the locksmiths would touch it b/c it was a law enforcement only blank. So, we broadened the search to locksmiths out of state. So yes, it makes it harder when you don't know a locksmith who can get you the blank, but if you just hunt around, you can get any blank you want.

    2. Re:Nice article... by mindstrm · · Score: 1

      Obfuscation is such an overused word.

      ALL security is by obfuscation, to some degree. Got a password? That's obfuscation... access relies on something only you know.

      Take, say, a public school. Security relies on an alarm system and a set of keys. The keys are hard to get, and the alarm system codes are secret. Nobody thinks this is indefeatable.... but it does the job. People can't just walk in on a whim and trash the place.

      Locks can be picked; so should we stop using them? They still do the job.

      If someone wants to break into your business... is using a lock "obfuscation"? Do you have a false sense of security? Hell no, you KNOW they could just smash a window. That's why you have an alarm, and insurance.

      Does the bank do other stuff? YES, they have alarms, and a vault. The vault has a combination.. does that make it security through obscurity, and hence, designed by idiots? What other method should they use?

    3. Re:Nice article... by Rich0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ALL security is by obfuscation, to some degree. Got a password? That's obfuscation... access relies on something only you know.

      The goal of security technology is to make something as secure as possible with the least cost possible.

      All security systems rely on a secret of some sort. However, where they differ is in what has to be kept secret.

      In a well-designed lock I would assert that the only thing that would have to be secret were the key itself, which I'd keep on a string around my neck at all times. If to keep things secret the workings lock mechanism itself has to be protected you have created a vulnerability. If your neighbor wants to break in they can just buy another lock of the same brand and take it apart to figure out how it works.

      Secrets are very hard to protect. A password is either short and easy to guess or long and hard to remember. If you write it down then it is easier for an opponent to obtain. A good security system of any kind should avoid relying on secrets any more than necessary.

      Does the bank do other stuff? YES, they have alarms, and a vault. The vault has a combination.. does that make it security through obscurity, and hence, designed by idiots?

      The workings of the alarms and the vault are not secret. However, the exact alarm code and combination used by the bank are. If the alarm and vault are well-designed the knowledge of how they work should provide little benefit to a burgler. The only thing that has to be kept secret are the codes.

      In the case of the master key vulnerability, simply keeping the master key well-protected affords little to no protection as long as ordinary keys are issued. The burgler needs only to know how the lock mechanism works to break it - and this is common knowledge now.

      That isn't to say that new vulerabilities won't be found in existing systems, but a well-designed security system should not rely on keeping the operation of the system secret.

    4. Re:Nice article... by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      So yes, it makes it harder when you don't know a locksmith who can get you the blank, but if you just hunt around, you can get any blank you want.

      Well, that's not exactly true. Try finding a 6-pin Yale 999R blank so you can copy a USPS mailbox key. Or how about a Medeco G3 Biaxial blank? Or something as lame as a Schlage Primus 000509? Key Control is usually achieved by using restricted blanks; and if the installation is worth protecting, they'll usually institute some sort of key control. Sometimes they only do so after the first noteworthy theft, though.

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    5. Re:Nice article... by mesocyclone · · Score: 1

      I find it interesting seeing that security by obfuscation is a prevalent concept throughout mankinds realm.

      That's because for most cases it works! While academic cryptographers argue that everything should be available except the keys, the cases where this actually improves security are limited.

      Cypher systems that will be widely used benefit from open information because it allows many people to maximally attack the system, increasing the odds that weaknesses will be found by the white hats before everyone is using the system.

      But most security involves a lot more than a single mathematical algorithm. A combination of obscurity, good technology (crypto, locks or whatever), and good procedures work together to usually increase security.

      Thus the US NSA, which is responsible for developing crypto systems in addition to cracking them, often keeps secret almost every detail of a deployed system.

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    6. Re:Nice article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All security systems rely on a secret of some sort.

      That's not correct. For example, biometric access controls rely on the complexity of reproducing the "key", not the information contained therein. Whenever you get scanned to prove your identity, you "leak" all the information an attacker would need.

  22. Re:I'm locked out of the article.. by HellKrisp · · Score: 1

    Interestingly enough, I didn't get any of the registration stuff - just the article. Perhaps they've changed their policy? Although that wouldn't explain why some people are still getting the registration message. Odd.

  23. I'm sure this is nothing new by Emperor+Shaddam+IV · · Score: 1

    I'm sure this is nothing new. Professional criminals ( the smart ones, not the ones you see on Cops! ) have probably known about this for years. I mean, come on, unless a lock is custom made it came from a factory where there is a set number of templates.

    Cars are the worst. I once opened a friends car ( same make, model as mine ) with my keys. I think the car manufactuers must only have 50 or so lock variations. More reason to go to retinal scans.

    1. Re:I'm sure this is nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh, that reminds me...

      One time I went shopping with a friend. When we went to leave we had a little trouble finding our car in the massive parking lot. When we finally found it, it was in an unfamiliar section of the lot, and we weren't sure it was ours, but we unlocked the doors with our key and got in.

      It was after we couldn't get the car started that we starting looking at the interior and we realized it wasn't our car. This was with a 1989 Toyota Cressida, but I understand the problem is fairly widespread.

      And from what I understand, it is even more of a problem today with keyless entry systems...

      ps - We did eventually find our car - with a note in it from the other guy warning us his key opened our car!

    2. Re:I'm sure this is nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same goas for Cara-alarms, no car-alarm uses a unique frequency. with a spare day, a modded car-alarm remote, some for/while loops in Basic and a full parkinglot will render any such defence pretty much useless.

      And this has been known for years by the way.

    3. Re:I'm sure this is nothing new by YetAnotherDave · · Score: 1

      >>More reason to go to retinal scans.

      yeah, then they have to physically damage you to steal your car, instead of just trying key variations.

      This might reduce theft a bit, but personally I'd rather have my (insured) car stolen 10 times than have my retina stolen once...

    4. Re:I'm sure this is nothing new by kent_eh · · Score: 1

      I'm sure this is nothing new.

      When my dad was in university, his roomate (an agriculture student) did exactly this. He made himself a master key to the dorm. It also worked in the women's dorm.

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    5. Re:I'm sure this is nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A guy I know was at the library, borrowed a car from his friend so he could make an errand and return to the library. His friends keys ended up not only opening, but starting the other car. The "car theif" was oblivious, since didn't know it wasn't his friends car.

      The police blotter was a crack up - "On Thursday night a black Saab was reported stolen from the library parking lot, only to be reported returned to its original location a few hours later."

    6. Re:I'm sure this is nothing new by sfe_software · · Score: 1

      Cars are the worst. I once opened a friends car ( same make, model as mine ) with my keys. I think the car manufactuers must only have 50 or so lock variations.

      General Motors for the longest time only had some 15 ignition keys, and 15 door keys (back when the two still used separate keys). I think the idea was that for any two cars, the chances of both keys being the same were pretty slim (1 in 15*15).

      I had a GM car with a broken trunk lock. I headed down to the junk yard, with my own door/trunk key in hand, and within about 20 junk cars I found a trunk lock mechanism that fit my existing key.

      That, and most people assume that keys are completely unique. People who don't know, assume, and usually error on the side that makes them feel safer (ignorance is bliss I suppose).

      I only learned this by having worked for a used car dealer; prior to that I was under the same assumption (and of course GM was the *last* manufacturer to still use separate keys for the door and ignition -- and it was only because they outsourced each from different companies).

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    7. Re:I'm sure this is nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      General Motors for the longest time only had some 15 ignition keys, and 15 door keys (back when the two still used separate keys).

      Not only that, there was an identifying letter on the side; I think mine was "K", and mom had a "J"

    8. Re:I'm sure this is nothing new by Fat+Casper · · Score: 1
      Cars are the worst. I once opened a friends car ( same make, model as mine ) with my keys. I think the car manufactuers must only have 50 or so lock variations. More reason to go to retinal scans.

      I did that myself, once. Borrowed a friend's car, got halfway down the block before noticing that the music playing was definitely not hers- and then noticed that none of the rest of the stuff in the car was, either. The car was the same color and only three spaces away from hers.

      You don't give the car companies or math a chance here, though. Each pin has 4 depths of cutting, and each key (for this one company) has 8 pins. 4*4*4*4*4*4*4*4= 65,536 possible unique keys. No, they use less than that so the key codes have no relationship to the actual combinations, but it still works. Now they have keys with transponder chips in them that have to be programmed to the vehicle, too. The dealer can cut a key for anything, but they need to actually have the car on hand to program a key for it- and a lot fewer people are authorised (or able) to program than can cut.

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    9. Re:I'm sure this is nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe it is the Plymouth Voyager circa mid 80's of which you speak, yes? If I recall correctly, they got in trouble cause they only had about 6 different keys. I had a friend who drove one who would regularly open other people's doors for them. Once, on a same colored model at the grocery store, he actually drove someone else's home, took in his groceries, and didn't realize the mistake until he went to get something out the backseat that had been there since earlier in the day. Needless to say, he took it back lickity-split to the store and the car's rather anxious owner.

  24. Shouldn't be a problem in homes by bubblegoose · · Score: 1

    From reading the article it shouldn't be a problem for homeowners. It requires masterkeying and getting a copy of any key in that system.

    Since I only have one key for my whole house, they would need to get ahold of that, and if that happened I'd be screwed anyway.

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    I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people. - Jack Handey
    1. Re:Shouldn't be a problem in homes by nycsubway · · Score: 1

      If they had a key to your house, then that would be just the same as breaking a latch on a window and prying it open. If they have a key, or if they break the window, they will still need a security code to turn off the alarm. If there is no alarm, then having a key or breaking a window will make no difference.

    2. Re:Shouldn't be a problem in homes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, what an oscure way to say that u're single and can't get laid :)

    3. Re:Shouldn't be a problem in homes by slide-rule · · Score: 1

      Except don't some locks you buy in DIY/home stores come in systems? They'd probably have a master key in the series for the lot of them. Now then, assuming something like that is the case, people who live in cookie-cutter neighborhoods (and/or apartment buildings) where the contractors all probably installed locks from the same supplier might (?) be at similar risk. Just a random thought.

    4. Re:Shouldn't be a problem in homes by gorilla · · Score: 4, Informative

      No. Installing master wafers costs money, so it's only done when you actually want to have a master key.

    5. Re:Shouldn't be a problem in homes by bubblegoose · · Score: 1

      I meant one key as in the front door and back door are keyed alike.

      Really, I do get laid, really.

      Hey, stop laughing!

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      I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people. - Jack Handey
    6. Re:Shouldn't be a problem in homes by daBum · · Score: 2, Informative

      Considering I recently bought a house in one of those "cookie-cutter neighborhoods", here's my experience:

      The locks come with a "contractor key" and a "Owner key". Until the Owner key is used in the locks, the contractor key will open it. Once the Owner key is used, it breaks one (or more?) of the pins the contractor key uses to open it, rendering the "master" unusable.

      Of course, I have added more locks since then, so it's not as big a deal if this didn't work...

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    7. Re:Shouldn't be a problem in homes by RPI+Geek · · Score: 1

      Except don't some locks you buy in DIY/home stores come in systems? They'd probably have a master key in the series for the lot of them.

      Not really. Most "cookie-cutter" locks are keyed similarly because it's cheaper to manufacture them that way. Most of the time, they do not have a master key, otherwise the police could and would have them (there's only so many different manufacturers of locks) so they could:
      1: Help people who lock themselves out using their master keys.
      2: Get in doors that are locked for whatever other reason they have.

      So no, the lock on your door is most likely to not have a master key for it, and this exploit does nothing to compromise your home.


      - Have a great day, I indend to.

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    8. Re:Shouldn't be a problem in homes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm. Obviously you got the joke, even though it was aimed at you. I don't get it. Why would having one key to your house mean you don't get laid.

      OHHHH!!! Meaning you don't have any spares, for hot chicks/wives/etc. Ok. Hehe. And for the record, I have a spare key for my wife and we get laid nightly. Or thereabouts. :)

  25. If this were bits rather than molecules... by sdo1 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ... we'd be hearing about building owners calling for new laws outlawing the tools involved, i.e. files and blank keys. After all, their assets could be compromised by the use of these tools and therefore those tools should be banned! It should not matter that there are legitimate uses for these tools and everyone knows that anyone who owns and/or uses a metal file is a criminal and should be prosecuted!

    -S

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    --- What parts of "shall make no law", "shall not be infringed", and "shall not be violated" don't you understand?
    1. Re:If this were bits rather than molecules... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hammers could be outlawed, because they are potential circumvention devices.

    2. Re:If this were bits rather than molecules... by gruhnj · · Score: 1

      After all, their assets could be compromised by the use of these tools and therefore those tools should be banned!

      I can only pick your physical lock a few keys a minuite. I can pick your computer lock distributed.net style and automate the process. Granted there are more keys to crack on the computer lock, but I can still do it.

      Last I checked bits were very easy to change remotely, molecules much less so. A webserver sitting out there with poor locks (file, access lists ,short keyspace crypto, whatever) on the internet is a target that is accessable to any idiot with a web connection. Heck of a lot of people can and eventually will attack you in that case. A Physical connection is limited in that you cant exactly fit that many people next to it; there is just not enough physical space so people are denied access faster. If nothing else if its so easy, so many people try that it jams up the hallway.

      Secondly many people use digital locks as the first, last, and only line of defense. For physical security if you have a expectation that you want to be secure you not only have locks but also cammeras, a guard, mean dog, etc. with the mulilayerd defense even if they do get in, you have multiple things reporting back to you saying that something is wrong. People in computer circles seem to forget that.

      Granted Im in the US Army where we run intrusion detection, firewalls, port sniffers, crazy password schemes, etc etc etc on varying levels, but this is not rocket science.

      And besides, laws and regulations only keep the good guys out. Bad guys will always try regardless of the struggle if the payoff is good enough.

      PFC Gruhn
      U.S. Army, Fort Lewis

    3. Re:If this were bits rather than molecules... by evilviper · · Score: 1

      That's nothing... Just about every file-cabinet I've come across has had horrible locks. All you need is a straight piece of metal just a little smaller than the key, and a little skill, and you can open them with no difficulty at all.

      As a matter of fact, I had a key for one filing cabinet, but it was so difficult to open with the key, that I'd always just use my pocket knife instead... much easier.

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  26. Makes you think by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 1

    If all you have between your floor network racks is a cylinder lock in a hallway, then yes you should worry about this. Think about it. How easy would it be to take out network access to a whole floor or steal access from a hall wiring closet? Not every employee who has a key is honest. I have also seen some server rooms that had a lock such as this. Server rooms and now even wiring closets should have controlled card key access at a minimum. Maybe biometric access should be looked into more closely.

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    Gorkman

    1. Re:Makes you think by dschuetz · · Score: 1

      Server rooms and now even wiring closets should have controlled card key access at a minimum.

      Yes, except that if the power goes out, you're screwed. So all doors will still need a key lock of some sort. (or a mechanical combination, like a simplex lock, but you still need a key to use that in the event the combination is messed up or nobody who knows it is around and there's a burst pipe behind the door....)

      So, really, what it boils down to is that critical doors simply shouldn't be part of ANY master key system.

      Of course, if the emergency keys for these rooms are kept locked in an office protected by a master-keyed lock, then, well....

    2. Re:Makes you think by swb · · Score: 1

      Server rooms and now even wiring closets should have controlled card key access at a minimum.

      Our server room was cardkey only until the cardkey system crashed and we needed into the computer room. Since there was no key, we had to actually power off a whole circuit to get the lock open -- which is a whole other weakness, the fire dept. requires that the locks fail open in the even of a power outage, in spite of the fact that the door is no more inhibited from opening internally than my lock-less office door.

      Anyway, we had to go back to having a key lock on there so that in the event that something happened to the card key system we weren't totally shut out.

      In an ideal world, a datacenter would require biometric authentication with some kind of multi-key override involving a third party escrow of a needed override key in cases of total biometric failure. The trouble is the fire department (and often building security) gets hinky when it comes to rooms people work in that you can't simply and easily get in/out of.

      Like many other security mechanisms, you can get good security but getting the next linear security level requires an exponential increase in cost and complexity.

    3. Re:Makes you think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You an usually get into any wiring closet with a flat screwdriver - nevermind the lock...

    4. Re:Makes you think by gordguide · · Score: 1

      [someone I know] was responsible for Y2K preparation for a National Prison system. These guys go to a few more lengths than most; despite the fact that fail-safe power was installed and tested at all facilities (including any administration or communications, say in an ordinary office building downtown somewhere) they also had to audit and test all door security.

      Prisons in [this country] have many locks set to "Fail Locked"; exactly the opposite of what is required by all civilian building and fire codes. Thus the need to test and confirm all locks, in case some secure areas may have been installed or set incorrectly to "civilian" Fail-Open.

    5. Re:Makes you think by TheLink · · Score: 1

      I'd think fail open is for the fire dept to get in.

      Perhaps one could design the locks to cache cryptohashed authentication data in nonvolatile memory (hashed form, not plaintext ;) ).

      In event of a total power loss (power failure, battery runs out) you manually generate electrical power for the lock - e.g. pump door handle 10 times or something similar, slide the card in, punch the PIN and it opens if valid.

      I suppose "fail open" must be the reason why prying panels and shorting wires work so well in movies.

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    6. Re:Makes you think by Excarnate · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't it be easier to go up into the false ceiling and over the door?

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    7. Re:Makes you think by swb · · Score: 1

      Our data center and all of our wiring closets go deck-to-deck. If you go above the false ceiling you get just more sheetrock.

    8. Re:Makes you think by crawling_chaos · · Score: 1
      Now I'm having Die Hard flashbacks:

      Gentlemen, you asked for a miracle. I give you the F B I.

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      -- Colonel Adolphus Busch
    9. Re:Makes you think by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 1

      OK you don't have a generator?? I mean you should have BOTH a UPS and a generator. Especially for a data center. Also, your not usually doing wiring when a power outage happens. The wiring closets would be ok. Also, these things are designed for situations such as these. They will be even more secure with the power out because alot of these default to being closed.

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      Gorkman

    10. Re:Makes you think by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 1

      Two things....you can get a crash bar to get out or a idiot button to get out (that's what we have). Getting in for the fire department is NOT a problem. They have these long wood things with a huge blade on it called an AXE! Unless your working in a very secure place and then you should have a generator.

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      Gorkman

    11. Re:Makes you think by dschuetz · · Score: 1

      OK you don't have a generator?? I mean you should have BOTH a UPS and a generator. Especially for a data center.

      True, but smaller companies, or big companies with important data in smaller facilities, might not have generators.

      And, true, you're typically not wanting to get into a closet if the power's out, but there might be times. We had a terrible storm once, and water backed up into a storm drain that was somehow connected to an under floor drain in our computer room. So we had water under the floor (I only noticed 'cause it was leaking out into the hallway). If we'd had a loss of power, we couldn't have gotten into the server room without a key (okay, fine, *THAT* room at least would have had a UPS for the door, but you get the picture).

      You'll always need some kind of physical backup for any room -- it's just a failsafe. But it's easy enough to keep those keyed totally differently, with no master, and to keep those keys in a safe somewhere.

    12. Re:Makes you think by swb · · Score: 1

      I was annoyed by the power-fail-open requirement of the door because the electronic strikeplate activated by the card reader doesn't impact the door's lockset characteristics -- it's always "open" from the inside, regardless of the power state or lock state of the strikeplate. In other words, its physically impossible to lock yourself in with the lock hardware the door has, whether the card reader activated strike plate works or not.

      I'm presuming that if the fire inspector were to understand this, he wouldn't require the lame power-fail open requirement, but its a dumb building management requirement masquerading as a fire requirement.

  27. Little-known? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...who has discovered a little-known vulnerability...

    Little-known? Not any more, it isn't!

  28. Luckily... by dknj · · Score: 1

    ...we've still got our 10 year old electronic lock system that is no longer supported

    -dk

  29. What to do now ? Patent it a better system... by SpaceKow · · Score: 1

    What to do now ?

    1. Creat a New Locking System
    2. Patent it
    3. Charge 1 Cent on each lock that's created.
    4. Invest your profits

    1. Re:What to do now ? Patent it a better system... by Chump1422 · · Score: 1

      Great idea, but I think your step 1 might be just a wee bit too difficult for most of us.

    2. Re:What to do now ? Patent it a better system... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually there are better 'master set' key systems which are patented. Most notable is ne from germany which uses an incerted tumbler system in which the key has divots of varying depth on all four sides (i.e. including the thin edges). Sorry cant remember the name of teh system.
      The problem is infrastructure. These key systems would require new key fabrication equipment at higher costs (due to initial lack of volume compaired to those we have now). They would require retraining for most locksmiths. And if the 16 year old at K-Mart can make a duplicate for me... is it really safe? The weakest link need not be the key and lock its self.

  30. Yeah, but have they figured out bathroom locks? by bubblegoose · · Score: 1

    Thankfully they haven't published details on how to break into those locks on the bathroom and bedroom doors.

    The builder gave me a bunch of those flat keys, so I have spares. Looks like I'll be picking up a bunch of those locks for my front and rear doors.

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    I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people. - Jack Handey
  31. Re:I'm locked out of the article.. by Rip!ey · · Score: 1

    Interestingly enough, I didn't get any of the registration stuff - just the article.

    Same here. No sign of the usual registration page, just the article (and a pop-up).

  32. Fundamental problem with any master key system by wowbagger · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Any system that has a "master key" to allow access - be it a physical lock on a door, a backdoor to a program, a key-escrow system, whatever, allows this kind of attack - get the master key, game over.

    I had do design an encryption system to manage software options in a piece of gear I designed. I thought about having a "back-door" to enable options on any unit, the better to test software. I quickly abandoned that idea - let the master key get out, and it's game over. Sure, it may make my life slightly more difficult as a developer, but it also means that no one, not even me, can cheat the system.

    When I had to write the system up for export permission, I described it in detail - algorithm, file formats, I even had to include the source code for the relevant sections. I suppose you could get that information with a FOIA request. Knock yourself out - if you don't have the private key of the keypair, you won't be able to create the options file.

    Say it with me, kids - "master keys and back doors are BAD - JUST SAY NO!"

    1. Re:Fundamental problem with any master key system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not exactly the same. Yes, I agree that backdoors are bad and would never include them, but this particular technique is worse than just a backdoor.

      For a computer system, a backdoor is basically another user/pass pair that allows some kind of universal access. So basically knowing a hardcoded root password. It's still hard to guess though, you don't have any clues to it from the outside.

      For this lock system, the equivalent would be that any user (or a person who had a user's access information) on the system would be able to determine the backdoor user/pass just by studying their own access information and having access to a system login.

    2. Re:Fundamental problem with any master key system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you don't have the private key of the keypair, you won't be able to create the options file

      . . . Unless, of course, you can change the public key or otherwise tamper with the device to spoof the trusted bits.

    3. Re:Fundamental problem with any master key system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      . . . Or exploit an integer overflow in the code that reads a particular part of the file (before or during the sigcheck) to run arbitary code which patches code in memory to crack the program.

      . . . Or collide the hash and copy a valid signature.

      . . . If there is an online authentication server which can sign things and the signature scheme doesn't use a secure one-way hash, you can perform a remarkably simple chosen-plaintext attack in some cases (not too dissimilar in concept to the subject of this story - sling spaghetti at the wall and see what sticks, as my guru put it).

      . . . Or factor the key - which sounds insane until, while scoping the routine, you realise someone mixed up their crypto basics and thought 128-bit RSA could make a secure signature. Oops.

      . . . Or obtain multiple valid keys/full versions and in some way disguise the origins (delta helps).

      These all sound silly? I've sat down and done all of the above on various occasions, although of course they are rarely easier than the good old-fashioned "steal the key" technique, although that usually doesn't get outside -INTERNALs.

  33. we would just tell the good guys by DrSkwid · · Score: 1

    "There's no way to warn the good guys without also alerting the bad guys," Mr. Blaze said. "If there were, then it would be much simpler -- we would just tell the good guys."

    But as ever, one person's good guy is another person's bad buy.

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  34. security by v(*_*)vvvv · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is hilarious.

    I mean, anyone can break a window and jump right in!!

    We can call that a "backdoor", and the plywood to cover them "patches".

    1. Re:security by logikkigol · · Score: 1

      hehehehahahah, classic

  35. Re:I'm locked out of the article.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's the LA Times, numbnuts.

  36. my master key to the entire university campus by dmoen · · Score: 4, Interesting
    This technique was discovered by a grad student at a certain Canadian university back in the late seventies. As a result, when I was a student in the eighties, I and several of my friends had a master key that opened pretty near every door on campus. We had a lot of fun exploring the steam tunnels and dodging security guards.

    The funny thing is, the lock system was not designed to have a single master key. Instead, there was supposed to be a different master key for each building. The campus wide master key was an "emergent property" of the similarities between the various building master keys. Only students possessed this master key :-)

    I still have the key, but it's not so useful any more, as they've changed many of the locks.

    Doug Moen

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    1. Re:my master key to the entire university campus by Skapare · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's possible to make a lock system with hundreds of thousands (in a 6 or 7 pin system) of "change keys" and a thousand or so "sub master keys" in one or two levels of hierarchy, and still have a "grand master" for the whole system. It may be that the campus was designed exactly that way to ensure that no "change key" could accidentally be a valid key (possibly even a "sub master") of another building. They simply would not create an actual "grand master key". But that wouldn't have prevented deriving it's code since it would be part of the design. The only way to have really avoided a grand master would have been to use a whole different blank for each building, and that might have been ruled out as too costly to stock blanks in whatever department was making the keys.

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    2. Re:my master key to the entire university campus by Alcohol+Fueled · · Score: 1
      "...an actual "grand master key""

      So.. is that what they call the key to the KKK headquarters?

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      Ah am not a crook! (\(-__-)/)
    3. Re:my master key to the entire university campus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll bet that was the University of Waterloo. I heard rumours of that exploit while I was there in the eighties, but I never ran into anyone who had a key.

      Now, the parking card system at UWO was another matter entirely...

  37. In other news... by grahamlee · · Score: 4, Funny

    Xerox PARC have issued an advisory stating that any combination lock can be "cracked" by a malicious terrorist with a finger. Due to the digital [sigh...] nature of this crime, it is now illegal to own a finger under the terms of the DMCA and patriotic Americans are being asked to remove all their fingers in a show of solidarity. U.S. President, George W. Bush, is said to be having some difficulty removing his finger from his arse. £:-)

    BTW did the original story remind anyone else of the safe-cracking chapter in "Surely you're joking, Mr. Feynman"?

  38. Great Satire! by ka9dgx · · Score: 1
    I read it... it's great satire. I mean, come on, who doesn't know about "master keys", and the delta algorithm for finding them? I've known about it for at least 10 years, if not more, does that make me a terrorist?

    Or, do I now fit in the same category with persons who posess a PhD in Nuclear Weapons?

    --Mike--

    1. Re:Great Satire! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You must have low self-esteem to believe that everybody else in the world knows the same things you do.

  39. I have been doing it all wrong!!! by EvlOvrLrd · · Score: 1

    So much for the Bolt Cutters, lock picks, drill & bits or a good hammer. All I need is a set of blanks, file and a bunch of time to 'decrypt' the master pattern through a dozen or so attempts.

    I am guessing Occam's Razor doesn't apply here...

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    Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear to be bright. Until you hear them speak.
    1. Re:I have been doing it all wrong!!! by Hellkitten · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well as en evil overlord you should know that it's always preferable to get the key to the restroom, make a master key, and then copy the plans of the good guys without them ever knowing

      You break down the door and steal the plans: they change the plans and install stronger door. That's a vicious circle

      You make a master key and steal their plan, they know nothing, plan stays the same, locks stays the same. You screw their plan over without letting on you know it, then next week when they have a new plan you go get that too.

      pff evil overlords these days, no respect for finesse. You should be EvlUndrLrd instead

      And no Occams razor doesn't apply, "Out of two possible explanations the simplest one is most likely to be true". You seem to be thinking along the lines of "Out of two methods of breaking and entering, the simplest one has to be better" which may not be true depending on the situation

      Compare the time it takes to make a master key and enter 100 rooms to the time to break down 100 doors

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    2. Re:I have been doing it all wrong!!! by Bigbutt · · Score: 1

      You've obviously never played D&D

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      Shit better not happen!
  40. security through obscurity? by JeanBaptiste · · Score: 1

    Thanks /., now every little 14 year old is going to run out and do this just to be a little more 1337... by releasing flaws to the public your only making things worse...
    I wonder if this will make bugtraq....

  41. umm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this was known for a LONG LONG time. what's new?

  42. MIT Guide to Lockpicking by Malc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does anybody remember the MIT Guide to Lockpicking (PostScript file??) that was readily available on the internet in the past? We downloaded it back in '94 and friend used it to make some lock picks by filing down some nails. Let me tell you, some fun was had on campus with the practical jokes that followed ;)

    1. Re:MIT Guide to Lockpicking by TheClarkey · · Score: 2, Informative

      That can be found here:
      http://www.lysator.liu.se/mit-guide/mit-gui de.html

    2. Re:MIT Guide to Lockpicking by Greyfox · · Score: 1
      Yes, Google is Your Friend.

      You can also get a nice set of picks at lockpickshop.com.

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    3. Re:MIT Guide to Lockpicking by kyoko21 · · Score: 1

      Aww man. Good cite. I was going to post the same thing. Sure brings back some memories though. I still have a copy of it somewhere in my collection of DAT tapes. There are lot of copies around on google, though a lot of them have sense removed "MIT" from the title of the article and simply call it "Guide to Lockpicking." Too bad I am not a level 20 thief.

    4. Re:MIT Guide to Lockpicking by slothbait · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ah that guide was great fun back in high school. How did that guy running for president get flyers in the faculty bulleting board? Simple says I, Ninjas!
      The MIT guide mentions the file down master key trick, that was 1991.

      With this new article I may have to try again, the last time I tried to do something with the a master key at my university I ended up matching the right pattern for the key that pulled the cylinder (used to change the lock). It was not fun to explain why my dorm lock had 'magically' come out of my door to the Office of the Physical Plant.
      Lesson learned don't pick your own nose if it is exposed, err locks I mean locks.

    5. Re:MIT Guide to Lockpicking by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I got a good laugh out of that sponsored link too....

      Buy Lock Picks for Less
      Save 25% on Complete Pro Tool Kit
      Locksmith Training
      www.lockpickshop.com

      Who are no doubt wondering why the sudden upswing in business :)

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    6. Re:MIT Guide To Lockpicking by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 1

      Steam tunnels are underground tunnels that carry steam pipes, in steam-heated campuses, and usually some telco wiring, and other things. At my old school in Pasadena, our student house would have an annual party to which you could only gain access to the house from below, through the tunnels. Hello, fellow Scurves... The tunnels were also useful in bad weather, so that instead of walking 1/3 mile through pouring rain, you could show up dry, as most campus buildings had basement doors to the tunnels. Rampant administrative paranoia has now reduced this application of weapons of mass lock overriding.

  43. I don't understand by nmg196 · · Score: 1

    I don't understand... Why do locks have/need master keys? I though you could only have one lock tied to a specific key. Are we talking about "Yale" type cylinder locks here?

    Why would someone produce a lock for which a master key could be made anyway? Surely crimials would just steal or make a master key and they'd be laughing...

    Is a master key an accidental side effect of the way a lock works, or are most locks intended to have a master key?

    Nick...

    1. Re:I don't understand by CharlieG · · Score: 1

      Why?
      OK - Picture this - you work on a campus (either corp or school), and you are in security - You have to be able to unlock doors when folks forget keys, or if there is a fire, or other emergency

      So... You've got, say 400 - 5000 doors to worry about.

      You carry around 400 keys, or do you make a "master" key that opens them all

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    2. Re:I don't understand by gorilla · · Score: 2, Informative
      Most locks aren't. Some locks are, for when you've got a big building and don't want to have the security guards lugging around 100kg of metal.

      It's done by installing master wafers into the lock. A normal cylinder lock has pairs of pins, touching each other with a spring pushing them into the hole where you put the key. When you put the key in, the pins all line up, and the cylinder can turn, opening the lock. The length of each pin varies, in the same pattern that you see on the key. By putting in master waters you instead have 3 pins, meaning that each set has two possible positions, and therefore two different keys work in the same lock. By making the second key the same in every lock, you have a master key. The master key for each building or complex would be different, so there is no universal master key.

      Adding master wafers increases the cost of the lock, so it's only done when the lock is going to be used in a master key situation.

    3. Re:I don't understand by mab · · Score: 1

      I haven't seen one off those style keys for ages all the locks I have seen that use a master key system have little dimpels on them (like drill holes) or from looking at the end of the key are U shaped and have 2 rows of cuts along the top

  44. Method might be somewhat obvious by linefeed0 · · Score: 2, Informative
    I haven't seen the (amazingly quickly slashdotted) research paper on crypto.com yet, but it's pretty clear what the technique could be since the Times article mentioned it's an oracle attack. [Update: the PDF finally loaded while just about to post this comment and it pretty much works like this.]

    The obvious problem that allows a lock to be an oracle is that the pins are independent of one another, so a "mixed" key that is partly master key and partly a normal key for that lock will open it. There presumably could exist a technical solution that needs only changes to the locks, and doesn't involve whacked-out Medeco[tm] patented key blanks with slanted cuts (although medeco may very well own related patents that would cover some aspects of the improved lock design). However, that solution would be mechanically somewhat difficult (there's a reason master keys are designed the way they are). Maybe there's a good business opportunity for "medium security" locks, but unless this attack becomes very widespread installations with a high theft risk may just start using electronic locks more. Not that many of those are that great except by significant degrees of obscurity -- I'm wondering how many independent parameters there actually are to this resonant-circuit proximity badge I got issued for access to a machine room...

    1. Re:Method might be somewhat obvious by nicwolff · · Score: 1

      I don't see why a Medeco would be much harder if you can get the blanks, which I'd assume a professional thief could. The pin-ends are slanted, but they must be slanted the same way for all locks on a master, right? So if you have one key you can see which way each pin goes, and with a fine hand file the same slant in your test masters...

    2. Re:Method might be somewhat obvious by treat · · Score: 1
      I'm wondering how many independent parameters there actually are to this resonant-circuit proximity badge I got issued for access to a machine room...

      Two halfs of a 32-bit number, a 16 bit site code and a 16 bit individual identifier.

    3. Re:Method might be somewhat obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two halfs of a 32-bit number, a 16 bit site code and a 16 bit individual identifier.

      Mod parent down. His hair is too long.

  45. This is clearly illegal! by Lethyos · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think that the manufacturer of the locks should sue AT&T under the DMCA for exposing weaknesses in an access control device. Furthermore, AT&T are terrorists for releasing this sensitive security information to the Net before other sites using the same locks are able to correct the vulnerability. I demand that the perpetrators that discovered the weakness with these locks be sentenced to life in prison. We can't have these hackers running free, finding security holes and disrupting national security!

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    1. Re:This is clearly illegal! by JohnnyBigodes · · Score: 1

      I demand that the perpetrators that discovered the weakness with these locks be sentenced to life in prison

      I hope the guards don't use normal door-locks on them :)

    2. Re:This is clearly illegal! by Ctrl-Z · · Score: 1


      I think that the manufacturer of the locks should sue AT&T under the DMCA for exposing weaknesses in an access control device.

      I know you're not serious, but exactly what part of the system being circumvented is digital?

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    3. Re:This is clearly illegal! by Hentai · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The key/lock system. The height of each notch on the key is an analog value, as is the depth of the pin on the associated tumbler. However, at the moment of (attempted) unlocking, the lock acts as a ADC (analog-to-digital converter), converting each notch on the key into either a '1' (match) or '0' (no match). Thus, it could be argued by a sufficiently expensive lawyer that the actual process of opening the lock is digital by nature, and thus falls under the DMCA.

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    4. Re:This is clearly illegal! by Lethyos · · Score: 1

      I know you're not serious, but exactly what part of the system being circumvented is digital?

      Any digits used in the system (number of tumblers, height of the risers and pits, etc).

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    5. Re:This is clearly illegal! by zcat_NZ · · Score: 1

      Keys are 'digital'. Although you might think of them as analog, there's only seven or so levels each notch can be cut to. Any working key represents a series of digits, and a new key can be cut from those digits without having an 'original' key at hand.

      I'm not sure if DMCA specifies that a security system needs to be binary or in an electronic form, but seeing that DMCA's been applied to scientology, price lists and printer cartridges already, I can't see why it can't be applied to locks.

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  46. I heard about this about 6 months ago... by gmplague · · Score: 1

    I heard about this about 6 months ago. I was visiting the Computer Science department at the University of Pennsylvania, and a professor had just been shown a paper on this vulnerability, written by another professor. Is this coincidence? We'll see.

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    1. Re:I heard about this about 6 months ago... by nobody/incognito · · Score: 1

      gee, would that be the university of pennsylvania professor thanked in the acknowledgements section of the paper?

      nobody

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  47. Cant wait for bluetoof by rosewood · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Am I the only one that wants bluetooth everywhere, including on my door locks, so that I can unlock my door either auto (when my cell phone + my key get close) or by entering a password (user preference)?

    Among all the other cool data sync things I think bluetooth enables, the death of keys is the other cool thing I really want bluetooth for.

    1. Re:Cant wait for bluetoof by WoodSmoke · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And when the power goes off do you want it to fail open or fail closed? Woodsmoke

    2. Re:Cant wait for bluetoof by fallen1 · · Score: 1

      Why fail closed of course ;-) Then I can create my own "backdoor" into my home by utlizing another "cracking" tool - a hammer on the window pane.

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    3. Re:Cant wait for bluetoof by rosewood · · Score: 1

      Obviously the door will have a battery in it. My card swipe door in my dorm has nothing to do with power. I would think it wouldnt be too hard to have it running off power and switch to battery and short ranges for when no direct current is running to it.

    4. Re:Cant wait for bluetoof by duggy_92127 · · Score: 1
      And when the power goes off do you want it to fail open or fail closed?
      Well, assume the BT device triggers a mechanical device that moves a bolt that unlocks the door for a few seconds. When the power goes out, it will "fail locked".

      In addition, the door would have a key and lock. When the power is on, the key system is actively mechanically disabled. When the power is off, the key system would be functional.

      Doug

    5. Re:Cant wait for bluetoof by rthille · · Score: 1

      I want mine to fail 'battery backed up' :-)

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    6. Re:Cant wait for bluetoof by geirhe · · Score: 1
      Am I the only one that wants bluetooth everywhere, including on my door locks,
      "I want to replace a shoddily secured system with a system which is very easily abused with a small transmitter, locking me out of my house."
    7. Re:Cant wait for bluetoof by SagSaw · · Score: 1

      Unless the door is meant to lock someone in, most doors are set up so that they can be opened from the inside regardless of whether or not the door is locked.

      Additionally, there are battery-powered electronic locks. We use one with a card-reader to control access to our amateur radio club station. I'm not sure of the manufacturer, but these locks are used all over campus to control rooms where only a certain subset of students should have access.

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    8. Re:Cant wait for bluetoof by Turbyne · · Score: 1

      Think Jurassic Park

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  48. Oh, yes it will by CowboyMeal · · Score: 1

    When my house was built, I'm pretty sure the builder had a master key at some point.

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    1. Re:Oh, yes it will by ross.w · · Score: 1

      I've mentioned this in response to another story, but the system that my builder used has a master key, but once you use your own key, the master key no longer works. I think something falls out or breaks off inside. This means they can give master keys to contractors without creating problems for homeowners later.

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  49. if I owned crypto.com.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would have expected a site like crypto.com to be able to take a couple hits before it went down.

    anyone know of another place to get the pdf?

  50. So where is HIS published paper? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    I assume its available.

    Oh, and this inst really news, this has existed for years, for good reasons.

    It just wasn't public knowledge... until now.

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  51. Cylinder locks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I'm surprised that the old-style cylinder locks with a single row of tumblers are still in use. I've met enough people that can open them in seconds without keys and without good tools that I've come to regard this type of lock as largely symbolic.

    That's probably common knowledge for most people that live in unsavory neighborhoods in large cities: Come home and semi-randomly throw 3 or 4 of the deadbolts on the apartment door at night. The next morning they're in a different configuration.

    The method descibed in the article sounds like the slower of two methods to make master keys a friend stumbled across. He figured these out a side effect of hand cutting a copy of his girlfriends. She was gave him a key to make a copy but rather than going to the store he wanted to see if he could do it himself with some blanks.

  52. SOME EVEN BETER LINKS to the method itself by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Cryptographer Matt Blaze (of AT&T),previously known for cracking the backdoor of the vaunted 'clipper chip' has submitted a publication to the IEEE journal "Security and Privacy" which demonstates that given an ordinary building key (like your office key or one borrowed for the rest room) you can get 'root' access to the entire building (i.e. a master key) with no more that about 30 guesses and $2.00 at the hardware store, and typically much less than that.

    The crack works on virtually all locks and was inpsired by parallels to cryptographic analysis, reducing the search from exponential to linear, and exploiting 'key" generation weaknesses. Virtually all master-key locks are vulnerable.

    There is also a story on the front page of the nytimes covering police verification of the threat including giving the instructions to a 15 year old.

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    1. Re:SOME EVEN BETER LINKS to the method itself by PingPongBoy · · Score: 1

      ... works on all locks?

      If the master key shear line is not a line but rather a curve that forces you turn the lock in a direction opposite to the common lock direction, then you can't find the master pins one at a time - you need to know all the master pins to make the lock turn.

      Still a finite problem though.

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  53. Don't you kids watch movies ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every lock could be open using just a paper clip !

  54. Schlage to Invoke DMCA by Bob9113 · · Score: 3, Funny

    A Schlage employee, on condition of anonymity, said that they were consulting with their legal team on the feasibility of invoking the DMCA against Matt Blaze and AT&T. "Schlage locks are frequently used as a technological measure to protect copyrighted materials. By trafficking in information which allows the compromise of these locks, Mr. Blaze and AT&T are clearly violating the Digital Millenium Copyright Act."

  55. This story is WRONG - Timothy does his usual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    actually, he didn't "dicsover" anything at all. he merely wrote a whitepaper about a topic that locksmiths have known about for decades. Hell, even the NYT article says this.

    No doubt this story will be posted again sometime next week.

    Maybe Timothy should have actually *READ* the article he is quoting.

  56. Here's how it's done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The technique is very simple. Mr Blaze has only succeeded in reinventing the wheel. I discovered this on my own almost 40 years ago in high school.

    All you need is a file, some key blanks, calipers or modified micrometers, a soldering iron, some solder, and a working key to any lock in the system.

    Use the calipers to determine all possible legitimate key cut depths. A typical lock will have 5 or 6 tumbler columns. Each column will usually have 10 or fewer possible key cut depths. The range of legitimate depths can be determined by examining several keys from the same system with the calipers.

    Make a few copies of the working key to modify. You don't want to mess up the original. Work with one tumbler column at a time. The idea is to change the key cut depth and find another cut depth that opens the lock. I used an old Weller soldering gun and some solder to build up the key cut to it's highest value (minimum cut depth). Start filing and test each possible cut depth for another value that works. Frequently more than one can be found. This is common in sub-mastered systems. Record the working values and repeat the process for each tumbler column.

    The master cuts will usually not share the same cut depth as the working key. When you've determined all of the master cut values, file yourself a master key using the new found working values.

    1. Re:Here's how it's done by eval · · Score: 1
      The technique is very simple. Mr Blaze has only succeeded in reinventing the wheel.

      Only half true. Yes, the attack was known previously, but not widely. Mr. Blaze has succeeded in spreading knowledge and provoking discussion and thought as to how to address the security failure. Belittling the work because others got there first misses the point.

  57. Too little concern for physical security.... by cybergibbons · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ok, there are a lot of replies here that seem to be saying that physical security, especially regarding locks, is not that important. You would be surprised.

    Let's look at places that have master keyed systems:

    • Schools
    • Universities
    • Office blocks
    • Residential blocks
    • Shopping centres
    • Airports
    • Entertainment complexes
    • Etc.

    So, it shouldn't be taken lightly that many master key systems are vulnerable to attack.

    You can talk about your electronic lock systems all day, but most (at least in the UK) have a normal lock as part of them, with the electronic system for convenience and being able to tell who is where and when. If they don't have a normal lock in them, then they quite often have fire crash bars on the other side.

    I haven't had a chance to read the paper yet, as the crypto.com site is slashdotted, as is the mirror I found. However, a lot of master key systems have vulnerabilities. For example:

    Some keys have ridges down the sides. Sub master keys only differ from master keys in that they have these ridges, preventing them from being used in other parts of the building. File off the the ridges, and off you go.

    Get two or more keys from a mastered building. Notice similarities and differences. It is often very easy to deduce the master key from this, because often the mastering works by pins having several splits in them.

    These are extremely simple ways of finding masters. There is of course the fact that keys are often badly controlled, and unlike passwords, are not easy to change from a central location.

    Security through obscurity is often a method used with locks. And it works reasonably well. I would say that lock picking is a far rarer skill than being able to use a computer well.

    Some of the more recent lock systems (Assa, Schlage etc.) are very hard to copy, sometimes involving three separate mechanisms in the lock which all need to work. This is if you can obtain blanks. Some even involve small magnets. They are hard, if not impossible to pick as well.

    More worrying, however, is the lack of physical strength in most doors. If you aren't afraid of leaving traces, opening most doors by force is remarkably easy. Yale locks (front door latches) often only take one kick to open. Even mortice locks are often badly installed and not that strong. Even if the lock holds up, the door, most of the time, won't hold up to a crowbar, or in desperate situations, an electric saw of any kind.

    So, although I am sure that the technique presented in the paper has been around for years, it's going public big time now. We're going to have to welcome the script kiddies who practise on the real world soon.

    1. Re:Too little concern for physical security.... by CharlieG · · Score: 1

      I can tell you don't live in a modern US house - Most front doors I see these days

      1)Have factory installed mortice locks (the doors come pre hung, so both halves are "factory")

      2)Are usually fiberglass reinforced, or metal - hard to kick them in

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    2. Re:Too little concern for physical security.... by Peter+Simpson · · Score: 1


      Master keys in good systems are physically LONGER than user keys. Often by more than one tumbler. Keys to remove cylinders are even longer than masters. I know this to be the case with the institutional system that was used at my school.

      So cracking your local master keyed building may not be that easy. No easy way to make a short key blank (the only kind you can buy) longer.

    3. Re:Too little concern for physical security.... by Trollificus · · Score: 0, Insightful
      "So, it shouldn't be taken lightly that many master key systems are vulnerable to attack."

      A lifelong friend of mine is a locksmith. He taught me how to pick a lock in under three minutes.
      You have no idea just how vulnerable these locks really are to someone who even remotely knows what he's doing. The locks you see in schools, offices and places like car dealerships are the easiest to pick, believe it or not.

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    4. Re:Too little concern for physical security.... by Skapare · · Score: 1

      I've done that, too. Just cut back the hilt. This is usually good for one more position.

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    5. Re:Too little concern for physical security.... by trasgu · · Score: 1

      To add to your mention of a lack of pysical security consider... Most doors have only the flimsy wooden framing holding the catches, or the doors themselves are hollow-core - only thin veneer on a frame; also consider climbing over the walls in adjacent offices which use drop-ceiling systems; or even using a (smallish) hammer to bang a hole in sheetrock walls... or (gasp) breakable WINDOWS!!!!! This does not even consider the tried-and-true credit-card slip trick, and what if the door has the hinge pins accessible? These be things to ponder....

  58. Related to DMCA? by Quixote · · Score: 1
    All jokes aside, consider the fact that Matt is a computer-security researcher. The comparisons to digital security and the DMCA's impact on it will be obviously drawn. And since DMCA is being discussed so much these days, it is quite fortuitous that he should come out with this research, no?

    Does anyone else other than me think that this paper could go a long way in highlighting the stupidity of the DMCA?

  59. HOW TO DO IT by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's the method in a nutshell.

    1) get a normal key that opens a lock.

    2)count the notches, if its a 5 pin tumbler, then buy 6 more blank keys. ($2.00)

    3) cut 5 keys to be identical to the original except at one of the pin position, let it be full height. SO that you now have 5 keys each with a full height blank at a different pin postion.

    3.b) reducing the complexity. it's not physically possible to have a full height position adjacent to a deeply cut position. No problem, just cut it as high a possible, the master key suffers the same limits too, and this reduces the complexity of the pattern.

    4) insert the first key. does it turn? No then file off 0.010" of metal and try again. within 7 tries, usually only one or 2 it will turn. congatulation you now know the pin 1 master height.(duh: ignore the turning at the original height.)

    5) insert key2, rinse, lather repeat.
    the beauty of this crack twofold. first, you are discovering the master heights of each pin independently, so the combinatorics is just linear in the number of resolvable pin heights not the product of pin-positions times pin heights. Second, you are also simultaneously factoring the ordinary key out of the master key combination, thus only discovering the master key not some useless key that is part paster and part ordinary key (that would only owrk on that particular lock).

    6) Exception: if you cannot find the a pin height that opens one of the tumblers (ignoring the obvious one for the original key) then the original key height is the one for the master too.

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    1. Re:HOW TO DO IT by mav[LAG] · · Score: 1, Funny

      5) insert key2, rinse, lather repeat.

      So all we have to do is be on the lookout for suspicious looking characters with soapsuds still in their hair?

      *duck* - the rest of your points well taken.

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    2. Re:HOW TO DO IT by matth · · Score: 1

      How do you figure it will turn if you don't have all the tumbler heights correct?

    3. Re:HOW TO DO IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is another twist to this. Normal pedestrians cannot get blanks for some key types. The blanks are kept locked away.

      Take your legit key that says "Do not duplicate" and try to find a blank at the local store, and it probably won't be there.

    4. Re:HOW TO DO IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      How do you figure it will turn if you don't have all the tumbler heights correct?


      Go to howstuffworks and read about how locks and master keys work. You'll find a nice description of how the tumblers in master key locks are actually two sections / heights - one for the master, one for the original.

    5. Re:HOW TO DO IT by erasmus_ · · Score: 0

      I don't see how this can be right. From what little the article describes, this is a very simple method that anyone can do, and while it does require filing and blank keys, it can be done quietly. Your step 3, on the other hand, requires quite a bit of attention, as you would have to go to a hardware store (in the article, they say that you don't need to buy your own key duplication machine) and say "Could you duplicate this key, except make this notch higher? Oh, and I need 5 of them. Why? Oh, no reason." I don't see any way you could get away with that. I think, therefore, that the article is talking about something slightly different. But you're definitely on the right track.

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    6. Re:HOW TO DO IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      There is another twist to this. Normal pedestrians cannot get blanks for some key types. The blanks are kept locked away. Take your legit key that says "Do not duplicate" and try to find a blank at the local store, and it probably won't be there

      Yes, but I've got unlimited, unsupervised access to a key cutting machine at work (180 apartment complex.) We cut those "do not duplicate" keys almost daily. They come in a box of something like 50 or 100, so taking 5 or 6 would be nothing.

      The catalog for keys and access to a machine isn't just limited to your local Home Depot worker anymore.

    7. Re:HOW TO DO IT by mindstrm · · Score: 1

      Because you are using a copy of a key that works in that particular door. Master heights for each pin are usually higher than each individual door key uses... it's like taking a key that works, and then extending each section to find out how high you can push each pin and still have it works. As we don't have dynamically adjustable keys... you kind of need a few blanks to play with

    8. Re:HOW TO DO IT by RocketJeff · · Score: 2, Informative
      Your step 3, on the other hand, requires quite a bit of attention, as you would have to go to a hardware store (in the article, they say that you don't need to buy your own key duplication machine) and say "Could you duplicate this key, except make this notch higher? Oh, and I need 5 of them. Why? Oh, no reason." I don't see any way you could get away with that.
      You don't need to buy your own keep machine (or go to a store) - you just need an ordinary metal file.

      A key machine is faster, but key's are easily made from blanks by hand (that's how I got 50 hours of detention back in High School...).

    9. Re:HOW TO DO IT by rmohr02 · · Score: 1
      Moderations: 40% Insightful, 70% Informative
      WTF?? When did this change??
    10. Re:HOW TO DO IT by parkrrrr · · Score: 2, Insightful
      3.b) reducing the complexity. it's not physically possible to have a full height position adjacent to a deeply cut position. No problem, just cut it as high a possible, the master key suffers the same limits too, and this reduces the complexity of the pattern.

      The master key does not necessarily suffer the same limits. Consider a lock where your key has a (trivial) code of 11111 (minimal cuts) and the master key has a code of 99999 (all cut to the maximum depth; I'm using Schlage codes here, just because the only key I have handy with a code stamped on it happens to be a Schlage.) In that case, none of your test keys will open the door because they will all have a 9 next to a 1 and wouldn't fit into the lock (or worse, would stick in the lock and not come back out) but neither the individual key nor the master key will have any large transitions (in fact, they won't have any transitions at all.)

      I would guess that ensuring a condition like this exists is one of the suggested workarounds in the original paper.

    11. Re:HOW TO DO IT by The_K4 · · Score: 1

      Um..it would be stealing. Or is that "nothing"?

    12. Re:HOW TO DO IT by Reziac · · Score: 4, Informative

      And for one-shot keys, the simple method I've personally seen used by locksmiths when presented with a lock for which there's no key pattern in their books:

      Locate the approrpriate blank. Put it in the lock. Twist it good and hard a few times. Remove blank. Note scratches left by lock innards. Cut to match scratches. Voila, working key.

      Waitaminnut... under the DMCA, isn't this reverse engineering?? ;)

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    13. Re:HOW TO DO IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here is another explanation, with more and better illustrations. It's a companion page of a German tv show for 3 to 10 year old kids...

    14. Re:HOW TO DO IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In a lot of buildings, the master key cannot deviate that greatly from the individual keys because of the need to be able to produce "sub-master" keys; for example, the key I have at work will open all of the doors to the offices of people in my group, but my supervisor's key opens all of the doors in the division, and the cleaning staff's can open all of the doors in the building.

    15. Re:HOW TO DO IT by Macgyver7017 · · Score: 1

      in a well designed key system you wont get the master this way, at least not at first. most large systems with a master key also have several sub-master circles of keys as well, and if they have been designed properly, the first workable cut that you find will only be a sibmaster cut on at least one pin. usually the rest are all designed so that a lower key cannot be filed down to make a master, so hopefully the pins which are reversed (submaster is higher than master) will be the minority. this does complicate the problem, and potentially add a multiplication factor to the number of tries and keys to file. a design like this will at least make this method take longer, and require that the person attempting it go try the key on more than one door, specifically one that that the submaster doesnt open.

    16. Re:HOW TO DO IT by Knightlymuse · · Score: 0

      Step 1. Get underpants Step 3. Profits!! Any company that sells a system that involves master/sub-master/user keys will also limit selling the key blanks to only those people that are authorized to have them. Ever notice the little groves in the side of most keys? If you don't have the right kind of grove your blank will not fit. A company that makes keys will do special orders for large, high security organizations and will not duplicate that grove for any other company. I'm not saying it's impossible, you can get around this by using simple solder to fill in the peaks and valleys of the key (Make your own blank) or by carving out the groves of another key that is close. However "Step 2. Get blanks" is not always as easy as the author makes it out to be. The information in the article is nothing new and has been around since the system was invented. Every time a company creats a lock system they need to develop a method to break it when the end user looses their key/combination. Chalk this up to some egghead who just wants to get some press.

    17. Re:HOW TO DO IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Show me your publication record before you call Matt Blaze an egghead. If it's this long I may bother to consider your opinion.

    18. Re:HOW TO DO IT by bluGill · · Score: 1

      I've been told that locksmiths varry. Some will take your do not duplicate key, cut a copy. Others will first verify that you have a right to the key, and some will refuse to touch it, perhaps even reporting you to police. Some of those who will duplicate your key will then happily stamp your copy "do not duplicate".

      Of course this assumes that key blanks exist, many of the "high security" locks achive that by not making blanks. Home Depot won't not copy your do not duplicate key, but a locksmith is a different story.

      One presumes that criminals have their own ways of getting

      When I had they key to a fast food restaruant they changed whenever someone who had the key left. Even with the "do not duplicate" stamp and no key blank it is too easy to copy a key. (And fast food doesn't exactly attract the best people, it would be trivial for such people to get the underground scene to copy their key before they turn it in) For much the same reason the safe combo was changed. (Note, the security procedures were better than that, but they recignise that they are not perfect and ask us not to discuss them so I'm only telling the obvious parts)

    19. Re:HOW TO DO IT by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      So you go to the next store and ask, and the next store, until some minimum wage worker behind the counter just doesn't give a shit and sells you the blanks, maybe you might have to say "Oh shit, I left my locksmiths ID at home".

      If that don't work, then don't use a key blank. you could make a master out of a hacksaw blade if you wanted to. It might not last long, when used as a key, but it can be done.

      Or get a cheap kit from the art store and pour a bunch of acrylic molds to make key blanks of exactly the type you need. Its a bit more expensive, and also may not last as long as a metal key, but hey, this is hardly an obstacle.

      -Steve

      --
      "I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
    20. Re:HOW TO DO IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it is more difficult if the key are not common ones or do not work like ordinary keys :

      Take a look on my Abloy keys :

      blue : children access
      red : my wife access
      yellow : my access

      http://www.gnulinux.ca/dscn1499.jpg
      http://www.gnulinux.ca/dscn1498.jpg

      There is no big difference between the keys but with 11 barels there is root for different keys and master level. The key path is also unique to the locksmith shop I have bought the locks.

      Just my 2 cents.

    21. Re:HOW TO DO IT by hughk · · Score: 1
      Please remember that if you can get your hands on a key, you can copy it or make a blank by taking a mold.

      A good locksmith can even work from photographs (even without the blanks).

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    22. Re:HOW TO DO IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Waitaminnut... under the DMCA, isn't this reverse engineering?? ;)

      I know you're just joking, but the DMCA does not ban reverse engineering. It bans circumvention of technological measures that control access to a copyrighted work, and tools that are primarily designed for such circumvention.

    23. Re:HOW TO DO IT by gr8_phk · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I had a friend in high school who carried a set of masters for every type of lock he could find. I seem to recall he'd use a flame (match) to scorch the blank before he put it in a lock. The soot scapes off easier than the key scratches :-) I never did understand his full method, so thanks for the insight. BTW, that was about 15 years ago.

      Locksmithing is a closely guarded profession. They have more secrets too, but they'll be mad enough at this guy and the NYT for letting the cat out of the bag on this one.

    24. Re:HOW TO DO IT by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Ah, soot sounds simpler indeed. Easier to read than scratches, too.

      Funny how when you examine a lot of "closely guarded professions" they turn out to be not all they were cracked up to be!!

      --
      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
    25. Re:HOW TO DO IT by K-Man · · Score: 1

      I've worked on cylinder locks a few times, and that method doesn't make sense to me, at least with the ones that I've seen.

      Cylinder locks work by having the key and cylinder turn together. The cylinder is locked by pins which interfere with turning unless the pins are pushed to the correct levels by the key notches. The key itself just sits in a slot in the cylinder and doesn't hit anything while turning.

      The key does not block turning except indirectly, by pushing pins perpendicularly to the turning motion.

      There's a graphic with the NYT story that shows the mechanism; I don't see how the key could become scratched in a way that would reveal the pin heights.

      However, if you turn the key blank hard enough, you may be able to open the lock, for the same reason that a hammer is a good fix for mistakes.

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    26. Re:HOW TO DO IT by David+D · · Score: 1

      I agree, this shouldn't work.

    27. Re:HOW TO DO IT by chimpo13 · · Score: 1

      I've been a repoman in prior work, and this is so common knowledge, that it surprised me that some professor wrote about it and got a big ol' article.

      It's like someone saying, "Hey, if you hit ctrl-alt-delete you can shut your computer down".

      You need a blank key. You wiggle it around fairly hard and it will leave little marks on the key. Then you file down to the marks.

      But that's the magic of "common sense". What's common sense for me isn't going to be common sense for you.

    28. Re:HOW TO DO IT by Cryptnotic · · Score: 1

      As long as you keep a copyrighted work (book, CD, DVD, image, whatever) behind the locked door, then the DMCA probably applies.

      --
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    29. Re:HOW TO DO IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is precisely why they are guarded so closely!

    30. Re:HOW TO DO IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, cause it's not digital unless you use your fingers. So remember: brush after EVERY meal, kiddies!

    31. Re:HOW TO DO IT by andrew_0812 · · Score: 1

      Actually, that is what the article describes. Matt invested in a key machine, but you could easily do it with a metal file and a little patience. Matt claims that even doing it this way, it shouldn't take you very long to get a Master.

    32. Re:HOW TO DO IT by scanon · · Score: 1

      This is what suspected after seeing the diagram. It seems the best fix is to have a second set of tumblers for the master key.

    33. Re:HOW TO DO IT by shinehead · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of when I worked night shift electrical maintenance at a shitty industrial plant. The day shift guys would break into my toolbox all the time. They should have known better than to mess with me since I had all night to get into their toolboxes.
      I used two methods: The easiest was used on a cheap brass lock. I took a .010 piece of shim stock and slid it between the lock and the cylinder where the pins were, pushing up each tumbler with a straightened clip and advanceing the shim one pin at a time. When I got it in all the way I would use a small screwdriver to turn the cylinder and viola, I was in. The second method was to use a paper clip to rake the pins while using another clip as a tension wrench. It was really a lot of fun....

    34. Re:HOW TO DO IT by PetWolverine · · Score: 1

      It's not just a post, it's 1.1 posts compressed to look like a single one.

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    35. Re:HOW TO DO IT by PaddyM · · Score: 1

      Hey, good idea. Let's 'reverse engineer' some of MS's code.

    36. Re:HOW TO DO IT by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Don't know, but I watched the locksmith do it -- and when I asked him what he was doing, he showed me the scratches on the blank.

      It must not be absolutely accurate, because getting a duplicate made of the resulting key (which I still have) is an adventure, usually involving lots of fine filing to get it to work.

      I've had some cheap padlocks that tended to jam on their own keys, and in fact using a blank (or to be accurate, a random key that fit in the hole and had very few notches) and turning it Really Hard does work. :)

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      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
    37. Re:HOW TO DO IT by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Hmmmm.... Hey everyone, let's all stop locking our doors! :)

      --
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    38. Re:HOW TO DO IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      It works becaue the cylinder is made of soft metal and the key's cut edges put a small mount of force on the edge of the cylinder when its turned. Over time, it wears a pattern of the key. This will not work on new locks.

      You run a risk breaking the blank in the lock too.

    39. Re:HOW TO DO IT by Catcher80 · · Score: 0

      Wow. I'm in High School, and if I made a master key and was caught with it or using it, I'm 100% positive I'd be kicked out, maybe sent to Boot Camp or something. 50 hours sucks though, thats like, 30 mins a day, 5 days a week, 20 weeks of detention lol that is more than one semester at my school..

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    40. Re:HOW TO DO IT by Tye_Informer · · Score: 1

      Dude - If you are planning to make a master key to steal stuff from other places.... Taking "office" supplies is like "nothing".

    41. Re:HOW TO DO IT by WNight · · Score: 1

      Presumably you want a master key that you aren't supposed to have. Why? Likely if you're looking for this key and have a use in mind, stealing would be nothing.

      Did you miss the part about this being a security problem? What is important is not if I, presumably a researcher like yourself, would do what I could do, but merely that I could do it and that you have to assume someone else could do it as well.

  60. ah ssssh dont tell Kevin by linuxislandsucks · · Score: 1

    Kevin Mitnick new that about 15 years ago and no one listened..

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  61. Is this a joke? by Isle · · Score: 3, Informative

    Everybody knows that. It's the way master-keys systems works, you take of pieces until you have the most generic key, the most generic keys needs inherently to be the smallest and thus the least safe.

    Not that it can't be news and research for security people, but I can't see how this can "make it easier for buglers and terrorists", anyone in the business or anyone thinking about it for a few minutes knows thats how it works and have always worked, and how it has to work if you really wants a master key system.

    1. Re:Is this a joke? by jonadab · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > Everybody knows that.

      Indeed. I knew it when I was ten, and I'd never even met an actual
      locksmith.

      The solution is equally simple: if security actually matters, you
      sacrifice the convenience of having a single master key and install
      locks that use a completely different key in the places that matter.
      Your "master key" is then a whole ring of keys, but hey.

      Next they'll start talking about how the social engineering technique
      used by computer crackers can be used in the real world too...
      just phone up the front desk and ask 'em to unlock the side door
      and let in the plumber...

      --
      Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
    2. Re:Is this a joke? by Jordy · · Score: 0

      No kidding... What kind of bullshit article is this? Anyone who has ever looked at a lock and has been asked to make a master key knows this. It isn't exactly rocket science to file down each section of a key.

      Besides, who needs to when you can either: a)break down the door or b) get a simple tension wrench (ie: screwdriver) + pick or if you don't mind obliterating the lock c) get a lock pick gun.

      I just don't understand why this article was printed when it says itself that this method has been known by locksmiths for years.

      --
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    3. Re:Is this a joke? by broken_bones · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think this was a joke. I think the two pointst that the article really made was that this is the first comprehensive analysis of the problem and that it provides a formula for building a master key without disassembling the lock. Anyone given enough time and an actual lock to work with can certainly make a master key. The article indicated that using this approach it was not necessary to dissasemble the lock and that the number of iterations needed to arrive at a solution has been reduced when compared to a brute force attack. The article indicated that the attack has been executed by others but that this is the first formal analysis of the vulnerability.

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    4. Re:Is this a joke? by raddan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's a big deal because regular people, people that trust the system, *don't* know about it. I didn't know about it, and though I knew locks could be picked, I didn't know that they could be circumvented so easily.

      Sure, locksmiths knew this. A good sysadmin also knows the weaknesses in their systems. But as a user of both locks and ecommerce, I blindly put my trust in those systems in part because I *don't* know their weaknesses!

      How many sysadmins know that the door to their server closet can be opened by an employee with a regular key?

      It's like with PGP: what can you trust? Regular people know now that you cannot trust master-key systems.

    5. Re:Is this a joke? by BlueWonder · · Score: 4, Informative
      It's the way master-keys systems works, you take of pieces until you have the most generic key, the most generic keys needs inherently to be the smallest and thus the least safe.

      The master key is usually the largest, not the smallest, so that people cannot file down their keys to master keys.

    6. Re:Is this a joke? by Carnivore · · Score: 2, Informative

      While that makes sense, it's not the case in a lot of places. My building master, for example, has by far the smallest rise of all of my keys.

      I don't know why they didn't make it so that the master is the tallest, but there you go.

    7. Re:Is this a joke? by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      However, if a person were to use key blanks to begin with, it can be done.

      Get a bunch of blanks, file it down to be similar to your key making guesses as to which pins are masters, and go slower with those. As they said in the article, the idea was not so much the filing technique as the stepwise analsys of the locka nd key and attempting to find the master configuration in as few steps as possible.

      Afterall, oftentimes the master is just one or two pins different from the regular keys. Once you know which pin(s) is master, it really becomes trivial
      to do this.

      -Steve

      --
      "I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
    8. Re:Is this a joke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many sysadmins know that the door to their server closet can be opened by an employee with a regular key?

      Simple solution: don't give employees keys, give them key fobs for electronic locks for entry to the building and put the employees in cubicles or offices that cannot be locked from the outside. Then the employee doesn't have a physical key with which to exploit a master-key system.

      Then you just have to trust the sysadmin with a key. And if you can't trust your sysadmin, you should hire one you can trust.

    9. Re:Is this a joke? by mitheral · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How many sysadmins know that the door to their server closet can be opened by an employee with a regular key?

      Mine can't. Not only is the lock not mastered; the master key for the building has different keyways than the server room therefor you can't even stick the master in the lock.

    10. Re:Is this a joke? by Rick.C · · Score: 1, Interesting

      When I was in college back in the sixties, I did this with the dorm room keys. Just compare two or three different room keys to determine the common cuts. In our case, the master cuts were higher than the single-lock cuts. That's where some high-tin-content solder comes in - fill in the master cut with solder, file it down and file it thin. The high tin content makes it hard enough to stand up to two semesters of use.

      Of course, once word gets out that you and a couple buddies have master keys, anything that turns up missing from anyone's room will be your fault. You've been warned.

      At the end of the school year, break the solder off with pliers and sand the area with fine sandpaper to remove all traces of solder.

      But before you trash your master key, be sure to unlock your RA's room and fill it floor-to-ceiling with wadded up newspaper. He'll laugh - oh, how he'll laugh!

      Rick.C

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    11. Re:Is this a joke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't trust that site too much. They didn't even spell "shear" correctly.

    12. Re:Is this a joke? by MrResistor · · Score: 1

      That's exactly what I was thinking. The only real news here is that the guy worked out a systematic approach to doing it, but the basic idea should be obvious to anyone with even the slightest clue of how a master key system works.

      That many Security Managers don't know about it is a little disconcerting, but not really suprising given the lack of dedication so many people have for their jobs.

      In most cases the security of a lock comes from the fact that most people trying to get past them are too stupid or impatient to approach the task intelligently. The genius criminal safe-cracker is a media myth.

      --
      Under capitalism man exploits man. Under communism it's the other way around.
    13. Re:Is this a joke? by Mikeytsi · · Score: 4, Informative

      It has to do with the way master key locks work.

      Here's a pretty comprehensive article on lock-picking, which also explains how locks work. (After all, you can't really pick a lock without knowing what's in there).

      --
      I've been called a "Fucking Dick" by better people than you.
    14. Re:Is this a joke? by andrew_0812 · · Score: 1

      As the article that Matt wote explains, there are two major catigories of Master Key systems. One is Total Position Progression (TPP) and the other is Rotating Constant (RC). With a TPP system, none of the pins for your room key will be cut at the same place as the Master Key. In a RC system, one or more arbitrary pins will be cut in the same place for the room key and the Master Key. You must have had a RC system there. You could do the same type thing with a TPP system, but you would be looking for the pin heights that were not used on any of your room keys. Matt talks about this and a few other ways to derive the Master Key. But his method is simple and works in either system equally well, with a few exceptions. I linked to the article that he wrote above.

    15. Re:Is this a joke? by plover · · Score: 3, Informative
      No, master keys don't necessarily need to have the deepest OR shallowest cuts. It's been a convenient convention for locksmiths to use in the past, but by no means is it required. Software derived key master systems are now available to locksmiths of any level of expertise, and the old school of "Start here to make a master, then do this to make change keys" is not as relevant as it once was.

      Matt's attack might be best described with a password analogy of a lock.

      Think of a naive programmer who wrote this code:

      if ((pw[0]=='F' || pw[0]=='B') &&
      (pw[1]=='O' || pw[1]=='A') &&
      (pw[2]=='O' || pw[2]=='D'))
      { open(); }
      Because that's exactly how a pin tumbler lock works.

      You've been given the password "FOO" for use with some ancient security system. The master password is unknown, but you know that it has three letters. The trick is knowing that there is no relationships between password letters. It will let you in regardless of if the letter was for your password or for the master password.

      You start out by trying "AOO". No go. You try "BOO", and it works. Therefore, the first master letter is "B".

      Next, you try "FAO". It works. Therefore, the second letter of the password is "A".

      Next, you try "FOA". Nope, try "FOB". Nope, try "FOC". Nope, try "FOD". Bingo! The third letter is "D", and the master password is "BAD".

      Yes, it's that easy. Instead of changing letters, you file a bit of metal off a key blank, but otherwise it's the exact same attack.

      --
      John
    16. Re:Is this a joke? by SamHill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How many sysadmins know that the door to their server closet can be opened by an employee with a regular key?

      How many sysadmins keep trying to convince their bosses that security is important, only to discover that the custodial staff routinely pops in the server room to empty the trash?

      Sadly, not everyone understands that security is an issue.

    17. Re:Is this a joke? by zod1025 · · Score: 1

      Not everybody knows that, and that's the point...
      this is one more bit of know-how that separates your typical /.er from the common sheep of the world. Knowledge is what gives you the ability to transcend the constraints society puts on the common man, and certain skills are more effective at circumventing society than others (for example, picking locks... or phreaking some free long distance... or electronically altering your bank account).

      These empowering skills are so valuable in a large part because of their obscurity. When you flat out TELL your common man that "hey, your MasterLocks are no longer secure against me, I'm a 1337 hax()r!", then you are basically undermining the value of the knowledge (one could design a new type of lock to which lockpicking skills no longer apply).

      I can't decide how I feel about this... on one hand, I of course want safe locks... but I'd sure love to learn how to circumvent them, even if I'd never put it to practice. I suppose you should view this info the same way you view gunpowder recipes... everybody should be able to download a copy, because if they can't then it puts too much know-how in the hands of a priveledged few.

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      -ZOD-
    18. Re:Is this a joke? by skware · · Score: 1

      Nope, the master key in this situation is the minimal set of keys that it takes to get into the place where the whole ring is stored. If this is in a key cabinet in the janitor's office, the "master key" for this system is the janitor's office key and a key that opens the key cabinet. I'd include the concept of wilfully breaking into the office as part of the key too.

    19. Re:Is this a joke? by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > Nope, the master key in this situation is the minimal set of keys
      > that it takes to get into the place where the whole ring is stored.

      On someone's person, I would hope. Preferably someone who is never
      alone on the job.

      None of this prevents anyone from drilling the locks, but if they
      do that you'll know about it.

      --
      Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
  62. Alarmist by SomethingOrOther · · Score: 1

    Talk about alarmist!
    "He said the technique could open doors worldwide for criminals and terrorists."

    He forgot to add peidophiles.
    *Sarcasm*
    Just like cryptography, these things are only good for terrorists and peidophiles.

    --
    Anyone quoted by a reporter knows how little they understand
    Don't believe what you read is the truth.
    1. Re:Alarmist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't this strange. Breaking real world locks is good for terrorists, criminals, and paedophiles, but having internet locks, the reverse of the meatspace analogy, is good for criminals, terrorists, and paedophiles.

  63. Having a lockpick kit is illegal unless... by BoomerSooner · · Score: 1

    you're a locksmith (in most states). This is a fully legal option, metal file and blanks are not illegal anywhere.

    Now if you try this at your work you'll likely be removed. But what the hell, give it a shot anyway.

    1. Re:Having a lockpick kit is illegal unless... by Havokmon · · Score: 1
      you're a locksmith (in most states). This is a fully legal option, metal file and blanks are not illegal anywhere.

      Yeah, but there are plenty of alternatives. The strip of metal from a wooden ruler works great. I used to use that when my wife locked me out of our apartment (No, not fighting, I just never rememebered my key.)

      Also, if you do phone stuff, you know where you can get a yellow 'pick' with a metal end. If you straighten that out, it's pretty decent too.

      --
      "I can't give you a brain, so I'll give you a diploma" - The Great Oz (blatently stolen sig)
  64. Appropriate Icon by line-bundle · · Score: 1

    For once the icon is very appropriate.

  65. My 2048 bit key by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    will take a much longer time to crack, if only I can figure out a way to fit it in my pocket...

    Fortunately, most thieves do not need to crack the keys. It is much easier to simply bash the door in.

  66. Bolt Cutters by Nonillion · · Score: 1

    If this is true then wouldn't bolt cutters be considered a circumvention device also. Geuss they better invoke the DMCA and sue the hardware stores to remove bolt cutters from their inventory. Or better yet, sue the manufactures..

    DMCA- The most abused legislation on the planet..

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    "I bow to no man" - Riddick
  67. I have a solution... by ActiveSX · · Score: 2, Interesting
    1. Re:I have a solution... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you read the method, simply having a longer keylength will not make things more secure. It will just mean you need a few more blank keys to begin with, and another 5-10 minutes alone with the lock to get the master positions.

  68. I wonder if restricted keyways help by swb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When I replaced the locks on my house, the lock company advertised a series of locks with a restricted keyway, which meant according to the locksmith that their company was the only one in the region where you could get key blanks, cyliners or other hardware associated with this series of locks.

    I ran into this phenomenon in college; I tried to make a copy of my girlfriend's dorm room key at several hardware stores. I actually milled off and polished the head of the key where the "DO NOT COPY" and "UNIVERISTY AABBCC" info was on it so it looked like an ordinary key.

    The last place I went to the guy looked at me and laughed and said, "Nice job, but its a university key -- the blanks and hardware are sold directly by to the University key shop. Even if I wanted to, I couldn't make a copy of it, I have no blanks that will work."

    Anyway, the technique described here requires a bunch of blank keys, which if you can't get or are extremely hard to get makes you wonder if this technique would work in places that employ limited keyway hardware.

    1. Re:I wonder if restricted keyways help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article says you can order then off the internet. You did read the article before you posted, right?

    2. Re:I wonder if restricted keyways help by gordguide · · Score: 1

      "... Anyway, the technique described here requires a bunch of blank keys, ..."

      Actually, it requires momentary access to a single key; authorized or not (you could, for example, get a key by attacking the insecure area where it's stored, say, in a jacket at a night club).

      Having more keys is handy, but not essential.

      It's trivial to make an impression of a key and then cast your own blank. Metal casting kits are available for little more than lunch money at any decent Hobby Store.

    3. Re:I wonder if restricted keyways help by swb · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Some blanks you can order off the internet, but I'd be kind of surprised if restricted keyway hardware was available off the internet that easily -- there's a lot at stake for the company that makes the parts -- the security they're supposedly selling, as well as the business relationship with their vendors.

    4. Re:I wonder if restricted keyways help by ivan256 · · Score: 1

      You don't need lots of blanks if you do a little research on how your school cuts keys before you start. Particularly, if your school uses sub-mastering along with mastering on the keys, as many as four of the positions on your key may already be at the master heights. If you can find out which ones those are you only need two or three blanks for a six pin lock. You can find out which pins they are by comparing keys to other locks with the same sub-master. My school used keys made by "BEST," as do many schools I've seen. You can get BEST key blanks, along with pretty much any other brand, on the internet.

      Like he said, this technique has been know for a while, he's just the first to publish it :)

    5. Re:I wonder if restricted keyways help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a piece of metal forchristssake. Buy the right tools and raw material and make your own blanks. Physical keys contain very little "secret" information. The rest is craftsmanship.

    6. Re:I wonder if restricted keyways help by swb · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying its impossible, but I am wondering how 'easy' it is to buy a patented part sold explicitly as restricted availability.

      Sure, with the right sheet stock and dies you can stamp 'em out by the millions, but the patterns and dies would be awkward and expensive for campus kids to do, if a machine shop would even do the work -- I'm not sure they'd just crank out key blanks like that without asking a couple of questions, lest an expensive patent suit and criminal charges of burglary, aiding-and-abetting, and so on.

    7. Re:I wonder if restricted keyways help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Erm, if you did actually mill off the stamp, i.e. used a vertical mill, then you had your hands on the only piece of equipment needed to *make* the appropriate blank. And match it to the key you wanted copied.

      D'oh!

    8. Re:I wonder if restricted keyways help by tumbaumba · · Score: 1

      The last place I went to the guy looked at me and laughed and said, "Nice job, but its a university key -- the blanks and hardware are sold directly by to the University key shop. Even if I wanted to, I couldn't make a copy of it, I have no blanks that will work."

      It should not be difficult anyway. Just buy a Dremel and some steel at Home Depot and do it yourself. You may also want to get a grinder.

    9. Re:I wonder if restricted keyways help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. If your girlfriend had wanted you to have a key she could have "lost" hers.
      2. Restricted keys are not more secure in a picking senario, the whole point is that they are harder to duplicate, not pick.

      Dan

    10. Re:I wonder if restricted keyways help by RPI+Geek · · Score: 1

      Actually, it requires momentary access to a single key; authorized or not (you could, for example, get a key by attacking the insecure area where it's stored, say, in a jacket at a night club).
      Having more keys is handy, but not essential.


      You should read the article before trying to correct someone on it.
      The method referred to in the article does in fact require access (although not much) to a lock and key in the system.
      You don't technically need the blanks, because you can make them if need be. But you do need access to the area so that it's not suspicious when you go there and try a your template keys.
      You can, like you said, make a copy of the first legitimate key and go from there, but it's easier to have the original - which is what the discoverer (and I use that term lightly) of this technique had in mind.
      In some cases it would be just as easy to get a copy of the master key as a regular key (rob the person who has it), but if you have a key in the first place (if you work in the office, or live in the dorm, etc) you don't need to steal one.

      It's trivial to make an impression of a key and then cast your own blank. Metal casting kits are available for little more than lunch money at any decent Hobby Store.

      True, but that's a completely different method than what's in the article.
      For example: I made a master key for my dorm out of a broken CD. I got the master key from an RA for 30 seconds, made an impression, and gave it back. From there, I cut a CD to the pattern, put the template in the lock, and turned it with a screwdriver. It worked on 2 other doors before a friend broke it in half. It worked, but the method here describes a way to find the pattern for the master key without even needing access to it. I could have made my master key using brain power rather than skill with a razor. :)

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    11. Re:I wonder if restricted keyways help by swb · · Score: 1

      The lost key thing never worked for anyone else that tried it. They charged you $50 and actually changed the cylinder out, giving you a new lock and a new key (which was really the only safe thing to do).

      I actually got a duplicate sometime later when I found out that the boyfriend of a coworker worked in the key shop. He just cut me a copy.

  69. Kevin Again? by aburnsio.com · · Score: 2, Funny
    Kevin's only been on the net a few days now, and look what happens!

    No need to "Free Kevin" anymore... he's got the master key!

    "No, Officer, I didn't steal the key to the prison, I didn't take any hostages, all I had to do to get out was use this file here that Randall sent me in a Perl 6.0 Birthday Cake..."

  70. Only the first salvo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In 10 - 15 years, not only will these cases NOT get thrown out, these cases will WIN, resulting in multi-billion dollar awards.

  71. Wow by autopr0n · · Score: 1

    I'd like to see this paper, it would certanly make life in the dorms much easier!

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  72. this plainly shows the hypocrisy of the DMCA!! by CrudPuppy · · Score: 2, Insightful


    this is absolutely hilarious because of the fact that this so plainy illustrates the hypocrisy inherent in the DMCA.

    if this guy were publishing a similar article about virtual locks in operating systems, he would be in JAIL already, awaiting trial and facing billions of dollars of charges against him.

    gotta love it

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  73. Well what do you expect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have a key which works in all locks, and each lock has to have an additional addition to its form, which must be unique to each submaster.

    each individual lock mechanism matching the key has a matching subtraction, but is two phase, meaning this subtraction is optional.

    This means either the master or the minor key set will operate the lock.

    Of course, if every ring in the lock was 2 phase, then form one key, you would still have quite a bit of hacking to get BACK to what the oringal is.

    Imagine:

    23546874682763 As a master key 'pattern'

    The add these values to the key, and make the negative arrangements for the lock:

    10111011101101

    You know have a new key which you can manufacture a new lock for. And someone would have to KNOW the 'key values' for this key to find the lock.

    Physical brute force attacks are slightly more time consuming, unless you use a machine designed for the task, and install it next to the lock to automatically try them.

    So 1 : stupid article for stating the obvious (more complex keys ARE more expensive)

    2: Rubbish comments from people more interested in hearing their own voice than thinking

    3: Simple solution really.

    4: PERL sux a$$

    5: l33t speak is for people with IQ's over 100. Base 2.

    PS : no I cannot be fucked to spell check this drivel.

    1. Re:Well what do you expect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plus you can always wait til they open a window, and then go in and slit their throats, and bathe in their blood.

  74. in other news.... by Cheeze · · Score: 1

    locksmiths around the world are pissed because to do their job, they are circumventing the protections put in place by the manufacturer of the lock. They are therefore violating the DMCA and can be dealt with accordingly.

    yeah, but we trust them to only do it when we call them. don't worry that most of them are ex-cons that were caught breaking and entering and now are trying to find a legit job. sounds like Kevin.

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  75. I Financed my University Education that way.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    The so-called "little known" faults with locks have been around since the little things have been invented. There are books on how to circumvent locks.

    For centuries, locksmithing has been a sort of "black art" and the inner workings of them kept under tight control. But that only goes so far, as we all know from the Crypto industry.

    Locks are, in fact, absurdly easy to open if you know what you're doing. If you've got one key to a lock that is master keyed, you can easily figure out what the master key looks like. Without that initial key, it's only slightly more problematic.

    And don't think safes are any safer. Except for those that are specifically designed to thwart attack, most safes are designed to protect documents from fire and environmental hazards. They are not designed to keep intruders out. For those types of safes, anybody with a heavy hammer and a metal punch can open it. You'd be surprised how many people are stupid enough to put cash and valuables in them. In high schools, the combination padlocks on school lockers can easily be opened with a screw driver.

    As the old saying goes, locks are meant to prevent honest people from being tempted. The crooks don't care.

    I studied locks in depth when I was in high school and put that knowledge to good use when I needed quick cash as a starving student in university.

    Needless to say, I'm posting this anonymously.

    1. Re:I Financed my University Education that way.. by Skapare · · Score: 1

      Why post anonymously? Working as a locksmith part time to pay your way through school is an honorable way to do things. Oh wait ... :-)

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  76. Fix for future locks? by Baron_Yam · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How about having a double-sided lock, where the regular keys move tumblers on the top, but the master key moves tumblers on the bottom - and rigging it so either set of tumblers can release the lock?

    Then the unique keys need not have any relation to the master key at all, thus returning the security level of these devices back to where most people thought it already was.

    -Baron Yam
  77. Nothing new, and nothing surprising by taustin · · Score: 1

    I've worked in hardware stores most of my life. This isn't exactly new or revolutionary. Or especially meaningful. It the time it takes to file a single key by hand - which may or may not work - most people can learn top pick locks, which you only have to do once. With a little practice, most consumer locks can be picked in a matter of seconds. A skilled lock picker can open consumer grade locks as quickly with a pick as with a key.

  78. Very usefull - NYT Random Login Generator by dark-br · · Score: 1
  79. think about dorms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this could be bad, if any idiot can make a master key for a dorm room, I might have to rethink how I store things. Perhaps a lock box in my room is in order.

    1. Re:think about dorms by Skapare · · Score: 1

      Absolutely get yourself a lockbox that can be bicycle-cabled to something that can't be moved. While I did have a grand master key in college, I didn't go entering people's rooms (instead I did "nice" things like getting extra TP from the janitor's closet when the bathrooms ran out, or went in the utility closet to reset circuit breakers when someone overloaded a circuit). But that's not to say that someone totally dishonest can't employ these methods. Afterall, I learned it from a book I checked out of the college library.

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  80. Social Engineering by mhoover · · Score: 1

    Let's not forget that with a little social engineering you can get the same results. When I was in High School I obtained the master keys for both the Middle School and the High School, even had the alarm codes at one time. It's all about who you know (or sleep with).

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    1. Re:Social Engineering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      Let's not forget that with a little social engineering you can get the same results. When I was in High School I obtained the master keys for both the Middle School and the High School, even had the alarm codes at one time. It's all about who you know (or sleep with).


      So did you sleep with the principal, or the janitor? :-)
  81. DMCA by Metropolitan · · Score: 1

    So, metal files are now illegal circumvention devices prohibited by the DMCA?

  82. OT: Railway stations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Most Scottish railway stations have bins in them, as Scotland is not seen as an IRA target (apparently, we have a common cause - liberation from England - and that means the IRA sees us as kindred spirits).

  83. Not new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've known about this for probably 10 years now. I thought that that was common knowledge. Anyone else already know this as well? Or was I priveledged to some privy information?

  84. Microsoft releases .net door devices by drl0gic · · Score: 1
    Microsoft releases .net doors
    Redmond, WA

    Now you can secure your house with the new .net doors, planned for the "ultimate experience in opening and closing doors". The locks will be activated by a .net passport, thus permitting the event log of all the door activity on the M$ serv^h^h^h^h^h^h on the door security event log.

    All doors will come with a "Windows Door Edition", that sounds very nice but attention, some people already reported that the new doors are incompatible with the actual windows (not the OS! not the OS!, Balmer shouted 18 times).

  85. Not widely circulated eh? by stephenisu · · Score: 1

    The AT&T alert to law enforcement officials said that a prepublication version of the paper distributed privately by Mr. Blaze for review last fall had been leaked onto the Internet, though it has not been widely circulated.

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  86. Variations on a theme... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    This is very similar to a method where you can pick those cheap combination bicycle locks - the kind with the twisting cylinders.

    1. Put some tension on the lock.

    2. Twiddle with the tumblers to find out which one is carrying most of the load (unless the lock is both pretty new and well-manufactured, one of the tumblers is almost certain to be carrying most if not all of the tension load).

    3. Twist that one tumbler until you feel the tension release a bit - you just figured out that one number in the combination as the drop in tension is caused by the pin sliding into the slot in the tumbler.

    4. Repeat until you get the lock open.

    With a cheap lock and some experience, you can probably do it about as fast as someone who knows the combination.

  87. One Ring, er Key, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to rule them all, and in the darkness open the door.

  88. Re:Overstating the risk? Definately by Havokmon · · Score: 1
    Exactly what you said:

    This technique is only marginally safer (less detectable) than an attack with lockpicking tools

    And then he said:
    "Burglars are interested in committing burglary, not in publishing results or warning people."

    How many people are really worried about this risk? Hell, the last place I was at, they installed a window in a PUBLIC hallway so they could show off the computer room.

    Of course, that window was secured with imbedded chicken wire....

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  89. I did this 30 years ago in college by Skapare · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is not an unknown technique. I did this 30 years ago in college. And I only made adaptations to the technique described in a book on locksmithing which was checked out of the college library. I just didn't have any blanks to work with so I made do with one lost key I found. The campus used a type of blank not sold to the public.

    A grand master keying system is based on 5 to 8, but usually 6, tumblers, with typically 10 levels or codes for each tumbler. A simple master system will have at least 2 tumbers with double cuts (but the doubles cannot be cut too close). A more complex system with a level of submastering will have 4 tumblers double cut. A grand master system with potentially two or more levels of submastering will have all the tumblers double cut.

    Presuming it is a grand master system (and very large numbers of change keys generally are made this way even if no grand master key is produced), then you can presume that each position on the key is different between your key and the grand master. And not only is it different, but you can also rule out the level which is one above or below what your key has (the tumbler piece would be prone to pivot and jam, instead of slide, if cut too close). And even two levels apart is often avoided because a tumbler piece of those length can jam, although they insert a ball if the tumbler width is the same as 2 levels in that position (or 3 in some systems).

    So for a typical 6 tumbler 10 level system, you can rule out 3 levels (or 2 if your key is at the highest or lowest) at each position, and the levels 2 above and below are less likely (try them last).

    From your key, you can figure out about where all the levels are. Any additional keys (and I had one, and since this is a non-destructive step, I could also look at a friends' keys) can help. Now with the one spare key I had (extras help a little), you begin the step to find the master levels.

    When a key position is ground just a little bit too high, usually about 1/4 of a level interval, it can still engage the tumbler cuts, but it will be rough when doing so. The same thing happens when it's low, but that's not helpful, so make the cut a little high. Even if the other positions are wrong this can be done, but if they are right it's easier. Putting a bit of solder on the position to raise it really helps because now you can see an indentation formed due to the pressure. Attempting to turn the key in the lock will try to work in those positions just a bit off, but will leave a mark on the key, especially if the metal is soft like solder. If there is no indent, you didn't get the right level, so try another at that position.

    Repeat for all positions. If you are good you can even work all positions in parallel and accomplish this in just minutes. Once you have a level for every position which is at a different height than your own key, you probably have the grand master. If your key was really a submaster, this could trip you up. But they generally try to avoid giving out submaster keys to students.

    There are two other ways to do this.

    You can remove the lock and pull the tumblers and measure them. Be very careful because when you tap out the slide to expose the tumblers, do so one at a time because there's always a spring on top to keep the tumblers under pressure. Of course don't lose the parts, and don't lose the order the tumbler pieces come out. Now you can simply see what levels for each position make up the grand master.

    Another method is to figure out all the levels and their distances. The micrometer caliper helps here. Write down the levels for your key. The next step is to examine other keys of other students. Of course they will think you're trying to make a copy of their key, but if they're your friends and you can trust them, you can reveal your real plan. Write down the levels for their key as well. This now lets you rule out some more levels at each position which the master cannot be. With enough keys you can narrow down just what the grand master key is.

    If all the keys you examine are part of the same submaster system, you'll notice that 2 or 3 or maybe 4 positions are just the same on all keys. The grand master will be different there, but if you just cut your new master key at those levels anyway, while you won't have a grand master, you will end up with a submaster which can be used on all the locks in area (usually a building or so) that the examined keys came from.

    A combination of having a few change keys (yours and a few friends' keys) to rule out more levels in some positions, and working with the first method to find the master levels, can speed things up for you.

    Like I said before, I didn't actually invent these methods; I read them from a locksmithing book. I merely adapted the solder techniques to make things a little easier. Real locksmiths can do it without solder.

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    1. Re:I did this 30 years ago in college by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was actually thinking about using a similar method you describe here to obtain a master key (or probably just sub-master for our on-campus apartments) by looking at several individual keys. Each of my three roomates and I are given two keys: one to our front door and one to our individual rooms. That means I would have access to 5 different keys from the same system that I could examine. Add up the various friends who also have rooms in the complex and I could probably get the opportunity to view a total of approximately 15 seperate keys. Furthermore, upon examination of my two keys (actually this is what put the idea into my head) I found that 3 of the 6 positions are the same height. This is why I concluded that there might just be a sub-master key for the entire complex, or maybe just for a grouping of apartments in the complex.


      However, I'm pretty sure that the blanks are university controlled so I would not be able to obtain one. Furthermore, aside from the occasional practical joke, I can't see any reason to have a master key to the entire apartment complex. And I kind of like it that way since that means that it would be harder for anybody else to get a master key and enter my apartment unauthorized. This one time, at band camp (no kidding) one of the kids was accidentally assigned a sub master key for his room, so he of course went around to everybody's room stealing stuff and moving stuff around. It got pretty annoying and he and I did have a, uh... "talk" after I found out he entered my room while my roommate and I were out.

    2. Re:I did this 30 years ago in college by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      It was an "automatic expulsion offense" in my college to possess locksmithing tools in the dorms.

      Of course, there's nothing new or unknown about master key system patterns.....the slashdot linked article is silly. A good locksmith doesn't even need to play with master keys & patterns. My uncle was a locksmith and could pick 8 pin "extra security" locks when his customers needed it

      Anway, what fun did you have with your master key?

    3. Re:I did this 30 years ago in college by Skapare · · Score: 1

      Our room keys worked the front door. There were 2 positions that all the keys in the same building had the same levels at. What they probably did was made the front door only have pins in those positions and empty in the others where all the keys varied. They didn't have the splits as the master key didn't work on the front door (but my room key did). The other three dorm buildings used the same blanks, but were on a different submaster as those 2 positions common within a building were different between buildings. Their front doors were worked by their room keys. While my grand master key would not let me in to their buildings, it did work the room locks once in.

      The grand master also did not work the locks for the mail boxes, although the room keys did. They just didn't have the splits. They didn't need to master the mail boxes because they had the key to the mail room itself (which the master did work for).

      One other room the master didn't work on was the room where the 3000+ volt to 120/240 volt transformers were. It wasn't even the same blank. I guess the electric company just didn't trust anyone :-)

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  90. "Joshua" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



    Greetings, Professor Falken.

  91. Mirror of document? by tilleyrw · · Score: 0

    Where is the pdf file mirrored? The NY Times server seems to be ./ed and won't respond.

    Bob

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  92. Medico locks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't suffer from this vulnerability. You can't get the keys cut at most locksmiths. The tumblers key on hight and angle. But hey if you can pick three different locks from Medico there is a standing $10k prize that has never been claimed.

    Just because most homes use cheap low security locks doesn't mean most businesses, or the government do.

  93. Pirates! by tommck · · Score: 1
    The Key manufacturers could also vote for a TAX on blank keys and key copiers in order to recoup the losses that they have from people not buying NEW locks to replace the ones they had. Getting a new key made!?! That's PIRACY!


    I think Schlage should start the BLA (Business Lock Alliance) and send people notices:

    ACT NOW and we won't fine you for illegal copies of your keys. When you lose your keys, you MUST buy a new lock! If you buy this shiny new lock, we will not bring the police to your house and imprison your family.

    This is a LIMITED TIME offer of amnesty! ACT NOW!

    T

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  94. It's the start of the semester... by PseudoThink · · Score: 1

    The college kids have lots of free time and no homework. Some of them were even already bent over their practice locks honing their MIT lockpicking skills. I do believe it just became much less advisable to own a laptop in a university dorm!

  95. And now for the secure solution by Skapare · · Score: 3, Informative

    And now for the secure solution. You're gonna like this (in German).

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    1. Re:And now for the secure solution by alexburke · · Score: 1

      Relatives of mine have keys like this for their apartment in Europe. I showed one of them to a local (Canadian) locksmith, who, wide eyed and slack-jawed, wished he could get his hands on locks like that to sell.

      Is there a source for those types of locks in North America?

    2. Re:And now for the secure solution by gordguide · · Score: 1

      I live in Canada, and can tell you that these types of keys are common enough in places that care. A lawyer friend of mine had his office keyed with these over 15 years ago, and this in a relatively small community. No sure if they were the same as the link you provided, but I do know they were made in Germany.

      I can't comment on your locksmith buddy's response, except to say that he may have been trying to bluff you or he just doesn't read the current literature.

  96. Every problem is a nail...I know..I know..... by dmaxwell · · Score: 1

    I know you're not serious, but exactly what part of the system being circumvented is digital?

    Well, a pin can be either up or down. That's probably digital enough for a shyster to work with. What's more the set of all possible heights for a pin is probably not analog either. A lock system can be perfectly modeled by any type of digital system which pretty much means the locks under discusssion are a special case of a digital system. They just happen to be implemented mechanically rather than electronically.

    All it would take is a sharp lawyer to walk a receptive judge through it and there's a precendent for applying the DMCA to non-computer security issues.

  97. -1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yet another anti-MS karma whore. yawn

  98. Not a big revelation to me by knobboy · · Score: 1

    I have not read Blaze's paper yet, but this does not seem too earth-shattering. I recall seeing this discussed in alt.locksmithing when I was in college (early to mid 90s), so this is certainly not new information, at least for those interested in lock[smithing|picking].

  99. In fact ... by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... this is the vaunted back door or front door exploit ... side doors too.

  100. Good Grief, it's Started Already! by duck_prime · · Score: 1
    I was visiting the Computer Science department at the University of Pennsylvania, and a professor had just been shown a paper on this vulnerability, written by another professor.
    I can't understand it either. I mean, the professor had his secret paper under lock and ke-- oh.
  101. "Good Guys" vs "Bad Guys" by lildogie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's another aspect to this article besides the lock-hacking technique.

    The writer speaks of the familiar dilemma of whether to publish to the "Good Guys," which notifies the "Bad Guys" simultaneously, or keep the information secret, knowing the "Bad Guys" could be sharing it already. Same old story we know from cyber security.

    Then there's the "Locksmith" angle, "We've been teaching our students this for years, nothing new here." One wonders how the teachers sorted the trustworthy students from the evil students.

    Good guys, bad guys, locksmiths, students, trustworthy, evil.

    The enormous elephant here is whether people and their motives can be categorized this way. The truth is, these categories aren't cut and dried distinctions.

    Take your government agent, for instance. When we're thinking about wiretapping mad bombers, they look more like good guys. When we're thinking about wiretapping political dissidents, they're bad guys. Same people, same behaviors, different categories.

    Even discussing the distinction brings up more fuzzy categories: "bombers," "dissidents," "we."

    As long as security is addressed from a good-guys vs bad-guys distinction, the argument will go in circles, because you can't really sort out the good guys from the bad guys without a clear value context. If you're diligent, you'll get mired in the values debate, and if you're not, you'll end up drawing biased conclusions.

    The best stragegy in the good guys vs. bad guys debate is not to play the game.

    When making powerful tools like locks, master keys, and cryptography, you have to bite the bullet that you can't really manage the motives of the tool users.

    1. Re:"Good Guys" vs "Bad Guys" by Skapare · · Score: 1

      As someone else already mentioned elsewhere. These low security keying systems do more for preventing honest people from being tempted than preventing dishonest people from being able to break in. I was back then able to pick most locks in a matter of a few minutes, and learned it by reading a book, not from some skilled guru. I bet you can google for the info today.

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      now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
  102. Oh, one more thing... by Skapare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Oh, one more thing. If you do decide to make yourself a grand master key, and are tempted to carry it around on your key ring, cut the hilt off so that the key will go in too far to work. Then only you will know that you have to put it in only part way. So if you get stopped and someone thinks you might have a master key and tries the keys on your ring, their natural human thing of "go all the way" will prevent them from detecting that your key works the lock.

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    1. Re:Oh, one more thing... by Obfuscant · · Score: 3, Funny
      ...cut the hilt off so that the key will go in too far to work.

      This is still too dangerous, since they can see that you cut off the hilt and they can just compare your key to theirs (if they have a master of their own.)

      Much better to cut the key backwards -- that is, the cut normally at the end appears next to the hilt, etc. Unless the master is symmetrical, they won't be able to compare it to theirs, and it won't work when they try it.

      Of course, you'll have to insert it from the back of the lock to use it, but that's a minor inconvenience compared to prison time.

    2. Re:Oh, one more thing... by Skapare · · Score: 1

      Actually, a friend of mine solved that problem. He cut a chemistry spatula to be a master key. And it worked. It was a little bent up to fit the lock. Lots of flat metal the right width will slide right in. No reason it couldn't have been notched. His was just a copy of my master.

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  103. It is well-known among locksmiths by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 3, Informative
    This is a variation of making keys "by impression". It takes advantage of the fact that master-keyed locks (not Master brand locks) have split pins, and that the master usually is the lower part of the split - although I don't see that this always has to be true. If the master used either the upper or lower part of the split, at random, it would take longer to figure this out - first you'd have to find all of the splits, and then figure out which side of the splits is the master for each pin.

    Bruce

    1. Re:It is well-known among locksmiths by Skapare · · Score: 1

      When I made a grand master key in college some 30 years ago, half the splits were above my room key, and half were below. But that's no big deal because with the room key, it was trivial to rule out those splits as being part of the master levels because I was sure they wouldn't have given me a submaster key (which would have had some master levels, and some levels specific to the submaster area).

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  104. Reminds me of Microsoft... by interactive_civilian · · Score: 1
    For the sake of convenience and user friendliness, you get big security holes.

    So, where should the balance be?

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  105. Best quote from the article by trveler · · Score: 1

    The reader is cautioned that reproduction of these experiments should be carried out only with the cooperation of the owner of the lock systems on which the attack is attempted.

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  106. Re:HOW TO DO IT - New moderation reporting? by AyeRoxor! · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    "Moderations: 40% Insightful, 70% Informative"

    I'm assuming the percents refer to the number of people who have moderated this post. But I still don't see how this makes any sense.
    40 percent of people who moderated this post think it is insightful, while 70% find it informative? Since this is over 100% it implies that some person(s) moderated this both insightful and informative. I didn't think it was possible for a mod to moderate a post more than once. This is screwy..

  107. Stealth by istartedi · · Score: 1

    That's not very stealthy. Still though, I agree with the general idea. Most crooks won't use this technique.

    For example, there was some interesting social engineering going on near DC recently: Late at night a "women in distress" claims her car has broken down and she needs to use the phone. Chump invites her in, male partner gains access to the house immediately therafter and robs them. Why bother with blanks and files when you can just bluff your way in? And college dorms? Easy pickins when the students are drunk. Come to think of it, drunks are just such easy marks to begin with. When I was a paper boy, I wished I'd had a dollar for every time a drunk left his keys IN THE DOOR.

    Why resort to clever hacks when there are so many easy marks?

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    1. Re:Stealth by 3Bees · · Score: 1

      In due fairness to us drunks, we are not the only ones who leave keys in doors! When I was working as a political canvasser, I would hand the keys to person answering the door about once a month. Drunks would do it much more frequently, of course, but not exclusively.

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  108. I did it without the blanks by Skapare · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For one thing, building up solder in each position makes it a lot easier to see the indentations. But the real reason this works is that if you apply a back and forth motion as your attempt to turn the key, the indentations can be made even if the other positions are not cut properly at all. So this can be done with one key, and it doesn't even have to be a blank (but it does get modified in the process, so if you can get a blank, that's better).

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  109. Workaround the workaround by MickLinux · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just offhand:

    (1) cut 6 identical keys to the original
    (2) In one slot, cut as far down as possible, and drill a hole in that location, where you can put a mobile pin on a spring and a wire.
    (3) drill a hole along the base, as well, and run the wire through.
    (4) Now pull on the wire to find the alternate height. No filing required [prework necessary].
    Just write down the numbers you get
    (5) Go home and cut new key.

    Also: to get around the lack of a blank:playdoh; wax; metal; plaster; small metal casting. Or digital camera; ruler; grinder; piece of small metal.

    I don't take much comfort in those workarounds.

    At this point, I think that digital locks with varying codes might be a tad more secure. For example, to get the day's code, the admin takes his phone number [or street address, though a random memorized number is best], adds the date to each digit and the time on the lockbox to the last 4 digits, and that's the code. Before he gets up to go in, he figures out what it will be, in his head. Of course, if he forgets entirely, he can take a blowtorch, melt the plexiglass, and let secretary out. Then call in work crews to replace the plexiglass, and stays there, meanwhile, memorizing the *new* number, and keeping an eye out for ninjas rapelling down from the roof.

    Or he can write the code on his desk, the front of his pocket protector, or whatever.

    Or how about this? Specialized beeper tied to lockbox, on continuous recharge. Beeper takes incoming code, checks it against security code, checks source phone number against President's code -- and authorizes computerized lockbox to open upon access key, within the next 1 minute.

    Now, to go in, you pull out your cell phone, call the company president -- he pulls out his video cell phone, calls a video cell phone watching the hall; makes sure that it's you, and then calls the beeper, enters the code [encrypted, of course], and authorizes you to go in.

    Of course, I'm not a cryptologist. I'll be a cryptologist could find a dozen ways to break my idea apart. After all, the more complex a system is, the more flaws it has (doesn't it?)

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  110. Like this is new... by iceT · · Score: 1, Redundant

    It's called a skeleton key. They've been around for a hundred year.

    The trick is not giving keys to people who will miss use them.

    Think of it as 'root' access for a physical lock?

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  111. lock hacking by technoCon · · Score: 1

    Couple decades back, I left my job as a cryptanalyst and became a software engineer here in the midwest. After a few months I bought the house I was living in, a four-plex, and became a landlord. First thing I did was to rekey all the locks. While I was filing away at little bits of metal, I realized just how similar this business of keying locks was to crypto.

    The locks I was rekeying were all simple, so I didn't bother to think about cryptographic attacks on master-keys.

    In the crypto world, there's a word for "master keys," they're called "trap doors."

  112. OT: Your .sig by KjetilK · · Score: 1
    £:-)

    Oh, I thought it was a PHB smiling... :-)

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  113. How prevalent is this problem? by Noksagt · · Score: 1

    1) You need a key to begin with.
    2) If your institution is only using traditional pin and tumblers, it is very vulnerable to picking and outright impressioning already.
    3) Most institutions that have anything to protect already use the appropriate safeguards that he reccomends--both universities I've attended have used Medeco locks. These are patented, but not security through obscurity--they have inclined cuts, making impressionng EXTREMELY difficult. Government labs I've been to are on card swipe.

    I can't remember any place other than high schools that still use the traditional locks.

    Perhaps someone out there can tell me if there institution uses them? I wouldn't mind an address as well.... :)

  114. Key locks are inferior anyway by agusus · · Score: 1

    Perhaps this will act as a wake up call to the lock manufacturers. Key locks are always insecure. Because people lose keys, or they can be stolen. It's much more different to steal a combination from someone's mind.

    We need to use combo locks instead. (not Masterlock padlocks, I'm talking regular locks - like deadbolts - but with a combo mechanism instead). If a person accidentally tells someone the combo, the lock could be easily reset to a new combo.

    Then there's no inherent risk of key duplication, etc. The "master key" in this case would be to just have the combo on file with the landlords. If the file was compromised, the lock could be set to a new combo, rather than having to install new locks in all the doors.

  115. As long as you can get the blank keys, yes .. by AftanGustur · · Score: 2, Funny


    The method as described on other comments, is just brilliant.. But there is one problem that nobody has mentioned..

    How do you get the blanks ?
    You see, with master-key systems the keys have other shapes than ordinary keys (often a mirror pattern if you look at the end of the key, so ordinary keys won't fit in master locks) Keys in master-key systems are often also a little longer than ordinary keys.

    And Joe sixpack just can't walk into any hardware store and ask for the blanks.. The hardware store has limited numbers (if any at all) and has to get the paper-certificate that was delivered with the key-system, before they will cut you a new copy.

    And, no, just bringing the master key to them and asking for a copy doesn't work (I already tried that ;-)

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  116. Complications by Dun+Malg · · Score: 4, Informative
    Having worked as a locksmith on and off over the last 10 years, I can think of a few complications that would make this system less effective:
    1) interchangeable core locks (Falcon or Best types). In addition to having master pins for the master key, there will be additional pins for the alternate shear line for pulling the cylinder out. Basically, if you find another key cut that works, you don't know if you have found the master key or the cylinder removal key cut.

    2) MK? GMK? GGMK? Some key systems have multiple levels of keying. Though a well-designed system won't have too many stacked master pins, you still will likely end up finding a cut that works and not knowing if it's for the Master Key, Grand Master Key, Great-Grand Master Key, etc. Depending on the "resolution" of the key system, you could end up with a sub-master that only opens (say) five doors.

    3) restricted keyways. Medeco, Assa, Schlage, et. al offer numerous restricted keyways. Good like finding blanks.

    4) maximum adjacent cut differential. A Schlage key, for example, can have a depth from 0-9 on any given cut, but no two cuts that differ by more than 7 can be next to each other. If your office key is cut to 99333, and the master key is 51133, then one of the keys you'd have to cut using this system is 91333. A nine and a one are over the max differential, which would either obliterate the "1" cut, or the angle between them would be too steep-- in which case, good luck pulling this key out again.

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    1. Re:Complications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your office key is cut to 99333, and the master key is 51133, then one of the keys you'd have to cut using this system is 91333.

      Once you've discovered the first master cut is 5, you can use 51333 instead of 91333.

    2. Re:Complications by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      If your office key is cut to 99333, and the master key is 51133, then one of the keys you'd have to cut using this system is 91333.

      Once you've discovered the first master cut is 5, you can use 51333 instead of 91333.

      That would indeed work. It does, however, require a little bit more thinking than just filing down the key blank .010" at a time. And what if the MK was 99333 and your key was 11333 (unlikely, but possible)? THere's no way to get the first one down to a 9 without doing the second, and vice-versa. See? Besides, I didn't say these were all plan-foilers-- just potential "complications".

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    3. Re:Complications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your key is 11333 you can try 0-8 on the first three cuts and deduce that the MK is

      xxy33

      where

      x is 1 or 9
      y is 3 or 9

      Since the MK can't have 1 next to 9 either there are only 2 possibilities to try:

      99333
      99933

      I agree it takes more thinking but it doesn't significantly increase the number of trials.

    4. Re:Complications by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      If your key is 11333 you can try 0-8 on the first three cuts and deduce that the MK is

      xxy33...

      Well yeah, it can be done if you know the depth increment and the maximum adjacent cut differential, but that's a bit more complicated and requires more research than just "filing down .010 at a time" like the original paper suggested.

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  117. Re: My master key by dpille · · Score: 1

    the lock system was not designed to have a single master key

    The system you describe was clearly designed to include a top level master (your key). A "different master key for each building" would simply have been a sub-master: that submaster key shares a certain number of cuts with the top level master, with the remaining cuts on the submaster being identical to cuts in that position on every change key for that building. Now, if you meant that they never intended to produce that single top level master or let anyone carry one, that I wouldn't know...

  118. Unbelieveably stupid. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    Most of us who are interested in security have known this for at least 20 years. Cripes I remember kids in college doing this same thing to get a key that works with all the doors in their dorm back in 1989...

    and now AT&T Labs is just discovering it?

    Yikes!

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  119. Re:Overstating the risk? Definately by ErikZ · · Score: 1

    "Of course, that window was secured with imbedded chicken wire...."

    A surprisingly essential part of mainframe security. I still have nightmares of that one time...

    the chickens...

    they're EVERYWHERE!

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  120. Sure locks are insecure! by sryx · · Score: 1

    But don't let ANYONE tell you windows are any better! :P
    -Jason

  121. This is news? by md358 · · Score: 1

    C'mon guys, locksmiths have known this since pin and tumbler locks caught on. I spent a year as a locksmith apprentice and saw this done many times and it takes f*ing FOREVER, scratches up the pins in the lock and is very, very, obvious.

    Next, researchers will tell the public that almost any car can be *gasp* hot-wired!

  122. Nah no need - human powered. by TheLink · · Score: 1

    Hook-up a dynamo to the door handle - when there's no power, pump door handle to generate power for electronic lock. Or make it a separate handle/crank.

    I don't think you need very much energy to open a lock if you design things properly.

    They have wind-up cellphones and radios. Why not something similar for electronic door locks?

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    1. Re:Nah no need - human powered. by bfree · · Score: 1

      Think Star-Trek, no really! The manual overides for the doors (well some) are levers that could operate a pump or similar. Now you just need to ensure your password entry system takes a sufficintly low amount of power and time that you can get it working (and so can anyone else who needs to). The question is how strong to make all the doors (and windows) as your going to have to break in when you forget your password, or a lightning strike fries everything!

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  123. nope! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no youre wrong. the beauty of this scheme is that you dont have to figure out the combinations of the splits. Read it again. The only place you get in trouble with combinatorics is if there are three splits instead of just two. three would be unusual.

  124. Not quite... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 3, Informative

    Normal pedestrians cannot get blanks for some key types. The blanks are kept locked away.

    In particular: Medico. Their keyways (the pattern of slots on the key's side that admit it to the cylinder) in their high-security models are in a number of (copyrighted) combinations, each sold only to one locksmithing company which is under contract to only resell cut keys, keep records (with ID and passwords) of the buyers, and only sell COPIES to the legitimate owner(s) of the particular lock. The privileged smiths go along with this, too, because Medico tries to get them to violate the contract and will transfer it (along with the lucrative business) to some more picky locksmith if they do.

    So unconnected people who want to try such attacks against Medico locks need to make their own blanks. But that's not hard with a model-maker's midget milling machine, of which several brands are available.

    (But Medico is also less vulnerable to attacks of the sort described. The lock's pins have a wedge-shaped tip, the cut in the key is at an angle across the axis of the key, and the pin must be rotated by the proper angle as well as lifted to release.)

    But most of those "do not duplicate" keys are just ordinary keys from common manufacturers, which have been stamped. The stamp relates to laws prohibiting the copying of such a key and penalizing vendors who get caught doing so.

    Of course if someone sticks a label saying something like "garage" or "front door" over the stamp, most hardware store clerks won't notice the stamp and will blithely make as many copies as desired.

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  125. One word: Screwdriver by Zerbey · · Score: 1

    A large flat headed screwdriver will defeat pretty much any lock in my building, and in most other offices too, without causing any damage to the door or the lock itself (no, I'm not telling the kiddies how - you should be able to figure it out for yourself. Why should I need to mess with trying to forge a master key?

    Anyone trying to store anything valuable behind a door that uses a regular lock in this day and age is a fool.

  126. Nothing new, totally obvious. by jridley · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is totally obvious. Anyone who knows how a master key system works can do this and probably already has. I did it myself in college; it took a copy of my dorm key and a chainsaw sharpening file, both picked up from the hardware store for about $2, and about 90 minutes of fooling around, and I had a master key to the dorm.

    The dorm management did discover it eventually. I didn't use it for anything but a little urban exploration, but I think I let a few too many people back into their rooms after their roommates locked them out and the RA wasn't around, and it became common knowledge that I had the key.

    They asked how I found out how to make master keys, but didn't seem to be too convinced when I just said "Well, it's obvious, isn't it? Just think for a minute and anyone could figure it out." Probably the wrong thing to say to someone who was probably a humanities major.

    My knowledge came exclusively from the Junior Worldbook Encyclopedia entry on how locks work, plus about 2 minutes of thinking about it.

  127. Side effect... by Kammak · · Score: 1

    Janitors with hundreds of keys... hmm... the people paid almost nothing already have the master key. So what?

  128. this works for car doors too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting


    my roommate in college lost the key to unlock the doors on his car. We took it to the local keyshop
    and they were able to make a working key without the original key in about 5 minutes.

    All he did was put the proper blank in holding it with a pair of lockjaw pliers, wiggled it a bit to turn it, then used a hand file to trim the key down.
    A couple more fine tuning filing and it worked just fine. charge: ten bucks.

    opened my eyes a bit about how "secure" locks really are.

    I didn't think about using it other than on a car till I saw this article.

    1. Re:this works for car doors too! by Reziac · · Score: 1

      That's how I learned of this too, except it was for the door on my pickup topper -- bought from a junkyard, so no key. 10 minutes at the neighbourhood locksmith and $8 later, I had a perfectly good working key.

      Another method I've heard about involves using a wax blank to get a really nice clean impression, then cutting a key to match.

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  129. Look up the meaning of digit. by MickLinux · · Score: 1
    ...but what part of the system being circumvented is digital?

    I just wanted to note here: digit means finger. You hold the key in your what? Paw?

    I know this, because for Christmas 10 years ago, I went so far as to pull this on a foreign language student. "No, really. I can make a five digit calculator out of paper, with scissors..."

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  130. Not just MIT. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    Some (college kids) were even already bent over their practice locks honing their MIT lockpicking skills.

    It's not just MIT. MOST technical colleges have a few people making master keys in every class. It's a tech puzzle. (On colleges with steam tunnels success also admits the practitioner to the tunnels, which are quite interesting places.)

    There was a presentation on this vulnerability at a small computer conference last fall. It was one of the most heavily-attended sessions (nearly the whole conference membership). During it the audience was polled on how many of them had made master keys in their college years. Nearly all raised their hands.

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  131. even easier with xerox by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

    I found out a few years back that you can actually make a copy of a key if you have a decent quality Xerox of that key. Make copy, tape to cardboard, cut out, put it in a regular key cutting machine, and away you go.

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  132. Obviously writtne by someone... by unicorn · · Score: 1

    that's never lived in an apartment building at least.

    No apartment building I've ever lived in, has had "do not duplicate" keys. I've always been able to go to OSH, and get copis of the door key, the apartment key, and the mailbox key as well.

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  133. From the scientific journal named "Duh!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean please. Locksmiths have known this for um, decades. Why do you think hotels have switched to electronic keys?

  134. Nope, (D)MCA doesn't apply... by Starman9x · · Score: 1, Funny
    looking for scratches at various heights is an ANALOG process -- the DIGITAL millenium crap doesn't apply :)

    1. Re:Nope, (D)MCA doesn't apply... by Reziac · · Score: 2, Funny

      But just wait til they plug the analog hole ;)

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  135. MIT Guide To Lockpicking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the post you replied to referred to the famous MIT Guide To Lockpicking, not picking locks on MIT. It's quite an interesting read if you want to learn something about locks.


    Btw., what are steam tunnels?

  136. Good catch! by xyzzy-ladder · · Score: 1

    Follow the money. I hadn't thought of this at all, of course you are right.

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  137. make your own blanks by Starman9x · · Score: 0
    If you stop and think about it, "not being able to buy the blanks" stops approximately 0% of any determined intruder [since you didn't say you were successful in getting a duplicate made, I presume you aren't all that determined...]

    But, consider all the "variables" there are to a typical key:

    • number of pins (tumblers)
    • heights of the pins
    • shape of the "end" of the key (keyway)
    items 1 & 2 are really the same (just padding the list to make it look impressive) which leaves the third item: the "shape" of the key as viewed head-on. You CAN use your current key impressed in wax/soap/silly putty to get that shape, then use that for making a mold to make your own blanks -- as they say, it ain't rocket science!
  138. Jargon by First+Person · · Score: 1

    BTW, this technique is referred to as 'impressioning' after the mark, or impression, left by the pin on the key.

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  139. Here's a possible "fix" by rdmiller3 · · Score: 1
    (Just skip this if you don't know anything about common master key systems.)

    One nice "fix" (for new installs or re-keying) comes to mind. There's no rule that says a master key has to be cut higher for every tumbler position... so you could increase the complexity of the system in an exponential way again:

    • allow master heights to be higher or lower than non-master heights. The would-be cracker must then file a bit farther down on the flipped ones.
    • make sure that every tumbler position has at least two heights which work, with unused positions having random heights. This means that finding another height for a tumbler won't necessarily mean that it's useful.
    • Allow non-master keys to use master heights, at random.

    The result is that you'll still have a master keyed system but individual keys and locks will no longer give a linear search. Instead of making only (T+1) keys, now you'll have to search a space of (T^2) keys.

    The logistics are much more imposing!

    Look, to use this guy's system, you can make (T+1) pre-cut blanks, five to find the master heights and the sixth uncut one for making the final master.

    Using the three points above though, you've made the cracker's job much more difficult. He'll have to go through the first phase with the five pre-cut keys and a file... but that's not all!

    Since the lock may have false positions, he has to get access to another lock. This can be dangerous for an insider, since they could be caught trying keys on doors they're not supposed to be. Now he has to do all five tumbler hieghts with the file, again. That may give him enough information to make a sub-master key that would open both of those locks, but it if both locks have some tumblers which match both high and low positions, he won't know which to use for the real master.

    1. Re:Here's a possible "fix" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, but doesn't this increase the number of other keys one can generate for each individual lock?

    2. Re:Here's a possible "fix" by WNight · · Score: 1

      Not only does this make it easier to find a key that works for any individual door (may or may not be much of a problem) but it doesn't really help that much.

      Obviously, for a master key system, all doors must open at the same levels. If you start with a door that has three possible positions for each pin (one from the key you started with and two others) you'd think that it gives you 3^5 possible master keys. And it would, if you just cut all the ones you have discovered from the first door.

      But try this on even one more door and you'll have eliminated almost all of the common heights, except the master key. (You can't really have common non-master heights, because then it's another master key.)

      So take your 243 starting possibilities and maybe you have 20 after the second door (and that's probably high). You could either just get all 20 cut, or find a third door and perform the test again.

      This method still lets you perform a linear attack, it simply gives multiple answers (one of which is *the* answer) so you can't figure it out in a single try. To get back to exponential attacks you need a way that you can't figure out one pin without having guessed right for another, the way a non-master lock system works.

  140. Their Fix, Having RTFA: by MickLinux · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Okay, I've read the full article [that's what RTFA means, isn't it?], and they say that to defeat priviledge escalation, you have to add to each lock pin a random additional pseudo-master-lock combination. However, they then note that this decreases the security of each individual lock.

    What they don't say, but is easily calculated, is that you can raise the security of each individual lock by increasing the number of pins.

    Specifically: if you have a single master key, then you have to go up from double-cut up to triple-cut. That means that I'll work with log-base-3 below (for triple cut).

    In that case, the number P of additional pins you must add, having formerly had N pins, and having x (let us suppose 9) possible cut heights, then

    P = N/[Log3(x)-1]

    So if you have 9 possible heights for each pin, single master key, and 5 tumblers, then you can prevent privelege escalation with no further loss in security by going to 5+[5/(2-1)]=10 pins. Not common today, but not impossible. Currently most locks run from 5 pins to 8 pins. Add two pins to an 8 pin lock, and you get your 10 pin security, privilege-protected.

    Or you can go open source.

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  141. Been there... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Keying locks has been around quite some time. The diff now is that these allows a master key, indicating that each lock has the exact same set of pins, very very poor security practice.

  142. I brute force guessed a medico in college. by nyet · · Score: 1

    We knew 3 of the heights, and some of the angles.

    Took me 10 blanks and 4 hours but I eventually got it.

    The tolerance of the angles isn't so hot; you really only need 0,-45,+45 and a bit of wiggling to cover all of them.

    1. Re:I brute force guessed a medico in college. by dasunt · · Score: 1

      Actually, assuming that we have a +/- 23.5 degree margin of error (much less then the lock you work with), the difficulty is only 8x greater. Assume this: Lets say you have 9 levels for the depth of the notch. Then, you have angles of 0, 45, 90, 135, 180, 225, 270, and 315. The maximum amount of permutations is 8 * 9 - or 72 for each pin. Of course, odds are that you'll require only an average of 36 per pin. Of course, per pin, you'll end up using an average of four keys, since you can't reshape the angle (or can you? Another poster mentions that a little bit of lead solder works with normal locks).

      Does this worry me? Not really. I have had the experience of knowing a few petty thieves, and locks are to keep honest people honest.

    2. Re:I brute force guessed a medico in college. by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Funny

      I brute forced the lock on my dorm room door when I was in college. It took a few tries, but I kicked and kicked until the door broke open.

  143. You are missing the whole point. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    While what you say is true and you can generate a key to open a single lock, you missed the whole point of the article.

    the point of the articel, and the algorithm given above is that iy will generate a master key! Or what in computer circles is known as privlecge amplification. You are using a low priviledge key to bootstrap a master key.

  144. Pin tumbers are insecure--so what else is new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    The extraction of pin patterns has been a known weakness of master-keyed pin tumbers for about as long as they have existed. It's no different than any other crypto-system where keys are known to be similar, and at least one is known to the attacker. If the attacker has access to more than one key, the attack is even simpler. If there are multiple master keys in the same facility (a floor master for the custodian, a building master for maintainence, and a plant-wide master for emergency crews) it's easier yet. Even a college frosh can learn to do it.

    The vulnerability exists because conventional pin-tumbler keys are so easily made and altered. The method described is far more difficult if distribution of key blanks is closely controlled, the key is difficult to cut accurately, or the lock has extra keying mechanism (besides pin length). That's why any organization that takes security seriously uses professional quality locks (Medeco, for example) rather than a standard pin tumbler.

    Don't fret about the lock on your house. Burglars won't bother figuring out the key any more than they bother using lock picks. It's much easier to kick the door in!

  145. Security researcher recommends obscurity? by skintigh2 · · Score: 1

    "Mr. Blaze suggested that creating a fake master key could also be made more difficult by using locks for which key blanks are difficult to get, though even those blanks can be bought in many hardware stores and through the Internet."

    That'll stop the "terrorists."

  146. Re:Can't wait for bluetooth by mgoff · · Score: 1

    And when the power goes off do you want it to fail open or fail closed?

    First, I would hope that Bluetooth's low-power usage would allow the lock to continue functioning for several days on battery backup. After the battery is dead, I would expect a backup physical key system to be enabled. This key system would be disabled if the Bluetooth receiver was functioning properly, but engaged (solenoid) if backup-power is exhausted. This delay will allow me enough time to make arrangements to carry physical keys with me in the event of an extended power outage.

  147. Not New! A Google Seach Shows Decoding Links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A simple Google search reveals the technique already! Why is everybody so excited about this? It's been known forever.

    See:
    here: Locksmith School
    here: Decoding 101

    1. Re:Not New! A Google Seach Shows Decoding Links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just so you know, the second link is a goatse link.

    2. Re:Not New! A Google Seach Shows Decoding Links by Lars+T. · · Score: 1

      Sure it has. It even says so in the article. But it was basically only known by locksmiths (and crooks) and not by "security experts" (unless they were one of the former).

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  148. Easy to forge blanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've routinely made blanks from sheet metal. or simply by filing the wayes off a similar key. the only requirement is the key slide into the lock, usually this just means a thinner key.

  149. no it's not making keys by impression by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While what you say is true and you can generate a key to open a single lock, you missed the whole point of the article.

    the point of the articel, and the algorithm given above is that iy will generate a master key! Or what in computer circles is known as rights amplification. You are using a low priviledge key to bootstrap a master key.

  150. No you missed the point. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While what you say is true and you can generate a key to open a single lock, you missed the whole point of the article.

    the point of the article, and the algorithm given above is that it will generate a master key! Or what in computer circles is known as privledge amplification. You are using a low priviledge key to bootstrap a master key.

    1. Re:No you missed the point. by chimpo13 · · Score: 1

      You know, you're right. I didn't thinking it through -- I was just thinking about making a single key. I'll ask my locksmith friend about making a master tonight and see what he thinks. I know he'll agree with it, but I'll see if he's ever done it.

    2. Re:No you missed the point. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      please post what he says. I'll check back here.

    3. Re:No you missed the point. by chimpo13 · · Score: 1

      He skimmed through it last night, but said he'd read it today or this weekend.

    4. Re:No you missed the point. by chimpo13 · · Score: 1

      I don't know if you're actually checking this anymore since it's been a few days, but here goes.

      He said that businesses often have a couple of different master keys. Say you're at a school. The teacher has a single key for her classroom (I know she'd have more but this is just an example). The janitor would have a master key for rooms and the janitor closet. The principal would have a master key for all the rooms at the school. So there's 2 different masters keys. You wouldn't know which master you'd have.

      He also said if you picked open the lock (or figured out how to open it by cutting another key) that it's way easier to take the lock apart to figure out the master key. Since the guy talks about having a key cutter, he should know enough to take the lock apart to figure out the master(s) key.

      He went on about it for 10 minutes and I can't remember all he said. Something about having at least 4 keys to do it, and a bunch of other stuff.

    5. Re:No you missed the point. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the update. But your guy is still missing some of the points. Namely, the method described allows one to figure out the master key and not the sub masters. Most (but not all) locks have at most two shear points cut into the pins. A master key will use one set and the ordinary key will use the other. THe sub-masters will SHARE some of the master and some of the ordinary sheer points. If you just look at a lock you cant tell which are which. but if you have the ordinary key you can figure which cut is the master cut. Thus this guys technique is clever becaue first it lets you open the lock in a few tries and second it automatically factors out the master from the ordinary key. The other cool think about this is that one does not need to do anyhting suscpicions at the lock (like tkae it apart or vigourously wiggle the key to get scratches. you just put it in see if it turns. if not take it out go back to the mens room and file it a bit. it takes so few tries this is possible. and you wind up with a real master not a sub master. Of course if the locks have dummy cuts this method gets fooled but greatly reduces the permutations. the reason locks usually dont have dummy cuts is to avoid the likelihood of accideantal key combinations opening the wrong doors and to cut down the ease of picking them.

    6. Re:No you missed the point. by chimpo13 · · Score: 1


      Okay, I got him to write it up for me. Here's what the locksmith has to say.

      --------------
      Actually...in a large master key system it's common to have a change key and a submaster(s) which operate any given lock. All it
      takes is one chamber to have more than one master chip in it to throw the process off. It's more likely that any given lock will be keyed
      this way (with at least one chamber having three distinct cuts for a master, submaster, change key) rather than all chambers having at
      least one cut in common amongst the three keys.
      It's mostly that even with all the right circumstances it's not as straightforward as "filing a bit". Even with a simple master key system
      hand filing a key is not a very accurate method for producing appropriate depths in a key. This is especially true in many commercial
      cylinders (where master key systems are more likely) with higher tolerances. If you file a little too deep and "put it in to see if it turns"
      it won't. At that point you're screwed. Continuing with the method you will file the key all the way down reaching the conclusion there
      is no master chip in that chamber. Even with assuming you get any of the other chambers with master chips correct you'll end up with
      a different working key but not a master.
      A cylinder with "dummy cuts" would reduce the permutations making it easier to produce a workable key but greatly increase the
      likelihood of producing a master key. That's assuming I know what he's talking about when he says "dummy cuts".

      In the article the guy talks about starting with a key where the bitting is the same as the change key in every position except one
      (position p). Without access to a key machine this alone would be difficult. Then you'd have to do this for all 5 cuts on the key (more
      likely six and sometimes 7 cuts). He also talks about progressioning the depths of the key to appropriate depths which requires a key
      clipper or machine which not everyone has access to. They can be bought but not for 15 cents like a key. He more or less says all
      this in the article.

      It's just that in general it's not as easy as getting a file and a handful of keys. It's still fun stuff to read about. Actually, it has practical
      uses if you wanted to generate a master key for a customer. But then only if the lock isn't easy to teardown (which it usually is) and if
      you have the proper equipment (key machines/clippers). For more sinister motives, the method would work fine if the circumstances
      were all right. In reality it's not going to be as easy as the geek on the geek board makes it sound. Basically, he's mostly just
      screwy.

      That's a lot of geek talk about something that was probably just written for fun and wasn't read that way.

  151. what a revelation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lock smiths and anyone who has read a book a locksmithing book has known this for years. why the hell did it take at't labs to "discover" it?

  152. Almost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's a start. but the problem just moves out to the sub-masters. submasters now can be boosted to masters in exactly the same way. But you have at least decreaced the number of people carrying the keys.

    It seems to me a better solution is to make sure that every pin has at least two sheer points but that master an the normal keys share some sheer points. the "extra" sheer points now become combinatorically complex decoys. As it is the rule is 'if its not part of the regualr key, it must be part of the master', so by violating this assumption we can make it difficult to solve the lock.

  153. The Effect of This Alert by rdmiller3 · · Score: 1
    Since
    • the primary audience of Slashdot includes a huge majority of college-going, dorm-living geeks, and
    • it took about fifteen seconds to find a link to the actual report detailing this master-key exploit,
    we can assume that the physical security of every university and many high-schools will be compromised before the end of this week.

    Maybe it's time for me to go into business... I could set up a booth in the student union giving away pamphlets telling the "danger and weakness" of the dorm locks (dumbed-down exploit instructions with sketches of burglers and frightened co-eds) and make a fortune selling secondary locks!

    1. Re:The Effect of This Alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, only those who insist on using inferior locks will have their insecurity exploited. After that, perhaps they will get a clue and buy decent locks!

  154. AT&T Makes Press Release by blake182 · · Score: 1

    I love press releases in the form of security alerts.

    "AT&T decided that the risk of not getting any free press was great, so it has taken the unusual step of posting an alert to law enforcement agencies nationwide."

  155. goodbye, old locks by falsification · · Score: 1
    Yes, reliable methods to crack these locks are easy and well-known to locksmiths and smart bad guys. Now everybody knows about them, including ordinary folks, teenagers, and, unfortunately, terrorists. The old lock systems are obsolete.

    Most middle and upper class hotels have moved to electronic key entry systems. Many businesses and organizations have as well. With the heavy news coverage this is getting, now everybody, even poor folks, will want to move to systems, electronic or mechanical, that are less vulnerable. The increased demand should lead to larger economies of scales for such systems. Maybe think about buying lock stocks, if there are any.

  156. Damn by Cylix · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This isn't exactly news...

    I've known about the flaw in the master key system for a long long time.

    Actually, in many circumstances you can get by the mechanism by continually retrying and wiggling your key until the fit hits.

    Its not guranteed, but its a little better then using a file.

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  157. Buglers and terrorists by SeanAhern · · Score: 1

    "make it easier for buglers and terrorists"

    That's right! Watch out, you buglers! Your renditions of Taps, Reveille, and Charge might be seriously scrutinized by the Department of Homeland Security!

    Oh, wait, you meant burglars... never mind...

  158. Don't even need an original key by itwerx · · Score: 1

    If you search a little harder you'll discover that you don't even need the original key. With a file, two blanks and a half hour (or less) you can make a key to any lock.
    (Except things like Medeco of course, but that's a different story anyway. Though I did once know a guy who could pick most Medeco locks by hand in about half a day!)

  159. COUNTERMEASURES by goombah99 · · Score: 1
    Blaze certainly realizes this appraoch is not without limits. His point is two fold. 1) that an exponentially large number of keys can be reduced to a tiny searchable number. 2) that the goal is not to 'open the lock', for which there are many methods including kicking itin. the goal is to start with an ordinary key and create a master key.

    the following is quoted verbatim:

    Our adaptive oracle attack is only effective against locks that have a single shear line used by both master and change keys. Although this is the case with the majority of mastered locks, there are commercially available designs that do not have this property. Locks with a separate master ring, for example, require that all pin stacks be aligned to the same one of two distinct master or change shear lines, and therefore do not provide feedback about the master bitting of a pin given the change bittings of the other pins. (Master ring locks, however, are actually more vulnerable to reverse engineering from lock disassembly by an attacker without access to the change key).

    This attack assumes that the attacker has access to a modest supply of blank keys for the system. Whether this is a practical assumption depends on the particular system, of course, and some "restricted keyway" lock products may make it more difficult for the attacker to obtain blanks from commercial sources. However, blanks for many so-called restricted systems are in fact readily available from aftermarket vendors. Even when an exact blank is not commercially available, often a different blank can be milled down to fit. Unusual key designs, such as those employing a sidebar cut, may be more difficult to procure directly or modify from commercial sources, but blanks can still usually be fabricated in small quantities relatively easily by casting (especially since the attacker already possesses a working change key cut on the correct blank).

    In medium-scale master systems, it may be possible to limit the information contained in any given lock, at the expense of somewhat increased vulnerability to cross keying and picking. In standard master schemes, each pin stack is cut only at the master and change depths. The attacker exploits the fact that any working depths not corresponding to the change key must be on the master. A natural way to frustrate the attack, therefore, is to add "false" cuts to some pin stacks that do not correspond to the master and that do not appear in the majority of other locks in the system. If one "extra" cut is added to each pin stack, the attacker will learn 2P different possible master keys from one lock, only one of which will correspond to the "true" TMK bitting. These extra cuts must be selected very carefully, however, since each such cut reduces the number of unique differs available in the system. Effectively, the extra cuts create new subclasses of sub-master keys among locks that share the same false cuts, which the attacker must eliminate before learning the true high-level master key.

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  160. Read the "MIT Guide To Lock Picking" by blinq · · Score: 3, Insightful
    You can find the "MIT Guide To Lock Picking" at http://www.lysator.liu.se/mit-guide/mit-guide.html .

    And specifically read section 9.10 about Master Keys. This stuff is pretty old and well circulated. The entire guide makes for a great read if you're bored. If you're interested in mind teasers, puzzles, and such, you'll appreciate what the guide talks about, even if you never attempt to pick a lock.

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  161. Old news resurfaces - but what about control keys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    We used this technique to figure out the grand master key for our school. That was in 1977... The school keys employed a registered blank but we managed to fabricate acceptable keys out of sheet metal.

    A tougher problem was creating what's called a conrol key. This key is used to remove the guts of the lock (called the core) from the cylinder. The way this works is that the pins line up at a different level inside the lock, causing a separate sheath to turn and disengage the core from the cylinder.

    Of course we had to have a control key. But it is nearly impossible to pick the lock at the control level since there is no way to put pressure on the inner sheath. (Some systems have grooved sheaths you can torque on with a special tool, but not this one. And of course there's no such thing as an individual control key.

    Since the control key level shared some (but not all) pin breaks with the master key it is theoretically possible to use the master to reduce the number of possible control keys. But we were never able to work it out. Eventually we found an abandoned door with a lock still on it and drilled it. That gave us our control key.

  162. It checks for cookies by arcadum · · Score: 1

    If they stored your info the page is free to load.

  163. In the UK they banned knowledge altogether by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

    Its true, its illegal to possess anything that might be useful to a terrorist.
    Key blanks and files? Pah, you could be busted for an A-Z

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  164. The Great Brain by Max+Threshold · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've known this method since I was a little kid. It's described in a book called _The Great Brain at the Academy_.

    1. Re:The Great Brain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's it! I was trying to what the name of that series was. Yes, I too read those when I was a kid; in fact, probably a large number of people did considering that that was a fairly popular series of kids books. This security flaw is probably much more well known than people realize.

  165. Overlooked Solution to the problem by trasgu · · Score: 1

    If you have a key which is part of a master system, you have access to the lock. You could disassemble your OWN lock to find the keying pattern for the master key by measuring the extra pin segments in your lock.... (Second post to this article, but just thought of that)

  166. Except those with security chips by gentlewizard · · Score: 1

    That's why the newer models have code chips embedded in the plastic handle. A plain copy may work in the door (in fact, my dealer even gave me a plastic "wallet" key in case I lock myself out someday) but it won't turn over the ignition.

    Chips can have many more combinations that those allowed by even 7 tumblers, and the complexity can't be reduced if the number of bits is high and the generation algorithm is robust.

  167. Magic skeleton key by Zog+The+Undeniable · · Score: 1

    I have a small key (not sure where it came from) that opens about 50% of cheap padlocks. I think my landlady was surprised to find a 5 pound note locked in the gas meter box one day...I really needed the 50p pieces for the pool table, you see.

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  168. DMCA to AMCA by Dread_ed · · Score: 1

    Oddly enought I can't believe someone has not made the connection here between this paper and the Sklraov ilk of cases. I guess the only difference is that this is "Analog" rather than "Digital" and there's no Analog Millenium Copyright Act law.

    Analogy: This guy writes a paper (software) that shows a way of unlocking any lock in a building (defeatiing the security measures.)

    So just because it's an analog way of defeating an "analog" security system, this guy is in no was able to be prosecuted (at least the article dosen't mention it).

    Yet another reason that the DMCA is really stupid and sucky (nice technical terms huh!) piece of legislation.

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  169. Modesty by ka9dgx · · Score: 1
    I don't have low self-esteem... I just realize that the number of truely unique inventions and discoveries is much lower than you might suspect. Everything has been done before, and is usually better in the original German.

    --Mike--