Although I disagree with the grandparent of this post because there is a current technological and economic bias towards american production, the reason car quality is not necesarily scaleable to population really has everything to do with where the factory is located, not how many people can work on it.
Remember, that these days you'll probably find most of the 'american' cars are actually mexican (wheres the factory!) anyway.
But with a computer , your typing into the factory as you speak!!!!!!! Thats the joy of software economics. Any geek can make a program with the right tallent. Two geeks can make twice as much.
Thus as the personal PC enters more chinese homes, more scruffy chinese geeks will be working on linux and home brew mandarin friendly software.
Either way, as a direct competition to american software, the US industry will have no choice but to hire more american geeks to write more competitive software , so its not a bad thing for americans either way.
Doesn't the creation of Linux tools for interfacing with Windows just further validate a needlessly Microsoftian System?
You don't have to install it Richard. For those of us with jobs to do however, this is a big step forward. NFS is fine and all, but its limited to really unixy networking.
That said Active directory actively puzzles me (as does LDAP). I guess its back to the books again. I guess my windoze knowledge never did advance much beyond NT4.
Dude chill. Stallman comes from an anarchist tradition that includes both syndicalists and libertarians.
Either traditions are 100% non communist america friendly freedom headed. The syndicalists believe that complete freedom will naturaly lead to a socialist situation, and the libertarians believe it will lead to a capitalist situation.
Eitherway, neither will step on your rights, and the truth of the two traditions is 100% up to history.
Stallman clls it a copyleft, only cos hes transposing it against a copyRIGHT. Its just a wordplay. Chill.
Actually I'd take a wager that the squirrel mail things has more to do with cross site cookie issues.
Squirrelmail (at least earlier v's) cookies are notoriously easy to mess with. I've seen some downright bizare things happen with squirrels cookies, like user #1 logs in, doesnt log out , user #2 logs in on same machine and ends up somehow inhereting user #1's settings including email address. bizareness.
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Erm. I might be showing my ignorance, but wasnt turings problem that you couldnt know how long the code would take to execute (if at all).
That doesnt rule out running it for x amounts of opcodes (like, say 2-300) and seeing what happens.
If I remember right, thunderbyte did something like that in the 90's. That was a *damn* fine virus checker. I remember it once finding a virus, not knowing what it was, but flagging it.
I spent the next month (being a kid and all with little else to do) writing a cleaner for the virus (which I remember was no-frills-dudley, and f-prot etal wouldnt clean) and massively increasing my knowledge of x86 assembly.
It was a judge that decided the florida election valid.
Tragedy of it all is later down the track when they finally did a fullblown analysis of the vote post gore losing in court and conceding, it pans out Gore is actually the president.
So Gore *did* win in florida, and by a much larger margin won the popular vote as well (gerrymandered by electoral college), but you got bush insted.
Optimistically you *could* say that its just a break from democracy till 2004.
With respect dude, I think you underestimate the FSF. Those dudes have serious lawyers , but they are PRO-BONO. Indeed it is good that the 80 pound SCO gorilla is taking on the 800 pound IBM gorilla and not FSF, cos IBM have serious serious lawyers indeed. But I'm confident the FSF or the OSF could make mincemeat outa this one.
Remember dude, SCO are dumping stock like lead weights. That means they are getting desparate.
Ok folks. Sorry fer jumpin on a thread. Guru help needed now. Our home network has my box (knoppix) talking to net via parents win2000 box. Got call at uni. Computer haywire. Got home , sure enuff, theres msblaster doing its fandango. So I get the cleaner clean it up, go to download the patch from ms site to avoid clean up and...... "Where the fsck is service pack 2?". WTF????? Anyway, the moral of the story is that service pack 2 is a humongous download thru a 56k modem, and the only way to block this bitch is via zonealarm..... *EXCEPT* that zonealarm free version kills NAT from the windows box. Windows being as it is , lacks iptables, or any nifty stuff like that, so I'm confounded. *IS* there a firewall , that like free and all, that doesnt waste ICS?????
Cos as it stands , this whole business of not being able to do assignments and stuff is REALLY getting me down.
Hey fellow IMCer:) (shayne here) Objectivity is one of those little words that seems to be a big obsession point of a lot of media critics, but not alot of folk sit down and really ask wtf it means.
John Hartley (queensland uni) suggested that propoganda was more honest than news, cos at least propoganda wore its bias openly. He also had some interesting points about the difference between objectivity and balanced reporting.
(Objectivity purports(sp?) to tell the truth and balanced purports to tell both sides). Both are flawed. No one is *ever* objective. They always have an opinion. Claiming its objective just serves to push your side as truth. Balanced invarialy leads to the use of one side to hang the other.
Thus the best way really is to just push yer own propoganda out there. Mark it as propoganda, and let folk chose which 'side' of the story they believe. I think indy does that well, despite AND because of its obvious left leaning.
Reminds me of an incident I had in my forest protesting days. We had our camp covered in banners , and the logging company had its camp on the other side of the road also covered in banners. Some clever dude hung a banner right over the road that said "Greeny propoganda this side, Logger propoganda that side." Exactly.
Making a database transparent to *programmers* would generally be called an "API" (I hope I'm not losing you with this advanced lingo) - and again may involve thousands of lines of code. Man, can I borrow that magic binder of yours sometime? Only 30 ways to any database frontend or API - you must be a friggin genius
Dude, try not to post drunk. Methinx you just flamed and didn't think it thru. Evidently a conventional ol' API must be the only access method for a database. Fuck! I'm gunna make a fortune wnen I invent the RPC. SEE I JUST USED A WORD TOO! YIPEE!! WHO CAN I FLAME?
Formal verification only works as far as the inputs to the problem are as anticipated:)
AAAnyway. I'd say management are the biggest source of bugs out there. Too many features and too little time. "Don't worry jones, I know you'll put an extra special effort and do this module in a week instead of the month you quoted".
*CRASH*
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Either I'm taking troll bait or you really miss the point.
If you really want to impress the boss you install red hat or suse. if you want to impress your superviser, you install debian. If you want to impress yourself, you install slackware.
anyway. I recon the corporates need us more then we need them.
Personally, I don't trust anyone with automatic updates. I like reviewing what each update does, whether I need it, and if anyone has experienced any problems with it.
I personally have firewalled windows off from its updates and genneral chatter back to base. I don't trust it , and I especially don't trust the computer thinking it can upgrade to new licence restrictions without my permission.
I also never really trusted redhats or mandrakes updates either. On a few occasions its busted things for me.
But I *do* trust debian. Quite simply the tightly scrutinised review process is nearly (not quite tho!) waterproof enuff for me to leave it on a cron job and get it to notify me if anything wants to ask questions.
Debain has NEVER let me down, and with apt on a cronjob, it also leaves me alone. Just how I like it , neither seen nor heard.
That reminds me of an old search tip I worked out as a techy.
If you cant find an answer to the problem with a bit of equipment, put the name in and add either "fu*ked" or "hosed". Wierdly it works 99% of the time for me.
As long as it is input propperly, the brain shouldn't be able to tell the difference between reality and the simulated world.
Especially if the computer is programmed with the assumption that the brain should not be allowed to be aware of the LOD (wow, I never thought I'd use that term in philosophical debate).
BTW, anyone with keen interest in tihs topic with a good sci-fi tastes have just gotta read greg egans "Permutation City". Its a classic.
3d) Then cop the big payout from pepsi when the x-prize rocket with the coke logo gets burned to shred cause John carmac attached the batteries with gaffa tape.
Couple of points. A) SCO *HAS* to disclose evidence pre case... Its called discovery B) Governments can make treaties between each other. But if a government (with an even vaugely independant legal system) made a treaty trying to bind the INDEPENDANT court from acting, I suspect the INDEPENDANT court would throw the treaty out the window quicker than you can blink. Remember, theres a difference between laws and the means of enacting em. You cant just sign a contract locking the legal system out of intervening in matters involving third parties. Think: 3 parties. Government , courts, companies. In a civil case, the govt just doesnt play a role other than make rules for the courts. And of course, why would a government make such a treaty anyway. It just wouldnt make sense?
Rand of course being an entirely unoriginal pseudo-philosopher ripped mind-body of descartes.
I think her reaction to all this would be somewhat around the reaction I got once trying to bring her up in a philosophy tute... Something like "Thats nice shayne, but Ayn Rand is not a philosopher, she was a cult leader."
Trust me, I dont think the serious world of art academics'd give a fuck what a half baked angerhead like rand would say.
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Heh. Nice comeback (the 200,000 id no comment, I'm 300k in front of you however;).
Anyway. Most of that new code is actually device drivers and stuff and support for whacky infrastructures (SMP, ARM etc).
You will find its not the kernel thats so needy for hardware, its KDE , GNOME and all the fruit stuck on top.
But GNU/Linux, the *system* is indeed getting slower.
Although I disagree with the grandparent of this post because there is a current technological and economic bias towards american production, the reason car quality is not necesarily scaleable to population really has everything to do with where the factory is located, not how many people can work on it.
Remember, that these days you'll probably find most of the 'american' cars are actually mexican (wheres the factory!) anyway.
But with a computer , your typing into the factory as you speak!!!!!!! Thats the joy of software economics. Any geek can make a program with the right tallent. Two geeks can make twice as much.
Thus as the personal PC enters more chinese homes, more scruffy chinese geeks will be working on linux and home brew mandarin friendly software.
Either way, as a direct competition to american software, the US industry will have no choice but to hire more american geeks to write more competitive software , so its not a bad thing for americans either way.
Yipee.
Doesn't the creation of Linux tools for interfacing with Windows just further validate a needlessly Microsoftian System?
You don't have to install it Richard. For those of us with jobs to do however, this is a big step forward.
NFS is fine and all, but its limited to really unixy networking.
That said Active directory actively puzzles me (as does LDAP). I guess its back to the books again. I guess my windoze knowledge never did advance much beyond NT4.
Dude chill. Stallman comes from an anarchist tradition that includes both syndicalists and libertarians.
Either traditions are 100% non communist america friendly freedom headed. The syndicalists believe that complete freedom will naturaly lead to a socialist situation, and the libertarians believe it will lead to a capitalist situation.
Eitherway, neither will step on your rights, and the truth of the two traditions is 100% up to history.
Stallman clls it a copyleft, only cos hes transposing it against a copyRIGHT. Its just a wordplay. Chill.
Actually I'd take a wager that the squirrel mail things has more to do with cross site cookie issues.
Squirrelmail (at least earlier v's) cookies are notoriously easy to mess with. I've seen some downright bizare things happen with squirrels cookies, like user #1 logs in, doesnt log out , user #2 logs in on same machine and ends up somehow inhereting user #1's settings including email address. bizareness.
Erm. I might be showing my ignorance, but wasnt turings problem that you couldnt know how long the code would take to execute (if at all).
That doesnt rule out running it for x amounts of opcodes (like, say 2-300) and seeing what happens.
If I remember right, thunderbyte did something like that in the 90's. That was a *damn* fine virus checker. I remember it once finding a virus, not knowing what it was, but flagging it.
I spent the next month (being a kid and all with little else to do) writing a cleaner for the virus (which I remember was no-frills-dudley, and f-prot etal wouldnt clean) and massively increasing my knowledge of x86 assembly.
Eegad. Has anyone noticed on the http://www.sco.com/scosource/unixtree/unixhistory0 1.html site that linux is now "SCO Linux".
The fucking idiots have now claimed it as there own.
This must be news to linus.
Somebody destroy this freaking company NOW!!!!! Hurry IBM, the linux jobmarket slump is startin to hurt.
No dude.
It was a judge that decided the florida election valid.
Tragedy of it all is later down the track when they finally did a fullblown analysis of the vote post gore losing in court and conceding, it pans out Gore is actually the president.
So Gore *did* win in florida, and by a much larger margin won the popular vote as well (gerrymandered by electoral college), but you got bush insted.
Optimistically you *could* say that its just a break from democracy till 2004.
Meh. Old argument anyway
With respect dude, I think you underestimate the FSF. Those dudes have serious lawyers , but they are PRO-BONO. Indeed it is good that the 80 pound SCO gorilla is taking on the 800 pound IBM gorilla and not FSF, cos IBM have serious serious lawyers indeed. But I'm confident the FSF or the OSF could make mincemeat outa this one.
Remember dude, SCO are dumping stock like lead weights. That means they are getting desparate.
Hey leon :) Fancy seein you in these woods :)
Alas its still that zillion terrabyte download for sp2 thats the problem. two hideous to contemplate on a 56k modem
(ARE YOU PAYING ATENTION MICROSOFT???????)
Alas, Its becoming clear that applying the "debian" security update to the windows box is seriously appealing right now.
Ok folks. Sorry fer jumpin on a thread.
:)
Guru help needed now.
Our home network has my box (knoppix) talking to net via parents win2000 box. Got call at uni. Computer haywire. Got home , sure enuff, theres msblaster doing its fandango.
So I get the cleaner clean it up, go to download the patch from ms site to avoid clean up and...... "Where the fsck is service pack 2?".
WTF?????
Anyway, the moral of the story is that service pack 2 is a humongous download thru a 56k modem, and the only way to block this bitch is via zonealarm..... *EXCEPT* that zonealarm free version kills NAT from the windows box.
Windows being as it is , lacks iptables, or any nifty stuff like that, so I'm confounded.
*IS* there a firewall , that like free and all, that doesnt waste ICS?????
Cos as it stands , this whole business of not being able to do assignments and stuff is REALLY getting me down.
Thankyou for listening. Hope you can help
Hey fellow IMCer :) (shayne here) Objectivity is one of those little words that seems to be a big obsession point of a lot of media critics, but not alot of folk sit down and really ask wtf it means.
John Hartley (queensland uni) suggested that propoganda was more honest than news, cos at least propoganda wore its bias openly. He also had some interesting points about the difference between objectivity and balanced reporting.
(Objectivity purports(sp?) to tell the truth and balanced purports to tell both sides). Both are flawed. No one is *ever* objective. They always have an opinion. Claiming its objective just serves to push your side as truth. Balanced invarialy leads to the use of one side to hang the other.
Thus the best way really is to just push yer own propoganda out there. Mark it as propoganda, and let folk chose which 'side' of the story they believe. I think indy does that well, despite AND because of its obvious left leaning.
Reminds me of an incident I had in my forest protesting days. We had our camp covered in banners , and the logging company had its camp on the other side of the road also covered in banners. Some clever dude hung a banner right over the road that said "Greeny propoganda this side, Logger propoganda that side." Exactly.
Well I got a theory on this one.
:)
I heard somewhere there was GPL'd EXT2 code in SCO UNIX compatability layer.
Now you and I know what happens when you stick gpl code in your code.
I guess SCO might be opening up unix after all
Wheres those lawyers FSF? I'm gettin itchy for some SCO XBOX madness.
Making a database transparent to *programmers* would generally be called an "API" (I hope I'm not losing you with this advanced lingo) - and again may involve thousands of lines of code. Man, can I borrow that magic binder of yours sometime? Only 30 ways to any database frontend or API - you must be a friggin genius
Dude, try not to post drunk.
Methinx you just flamed and didn't think it thru. Evidently a conventional ol' API must be the only access method for a database. Fuck! I'm gunna make a fortune wnen I invent the RPC. SEE I JUST USED A WORD TOO! YIPEE!! WHO CAN I FLAME?
I luv teh intarweb.
Formal verification only works as far as the inputs to the problem are as anticipated :)
AAAnyway. I'd say management are the biggest source of bugs out there. Too many features and too little time. "Don't worry jones, I know you'll put an extra special effort and do this module in a week instead of the month you quoted".
*CRASH*
Either I'm taking troll bait or you really miss the point.
If you really want to impress the boss you install red hat or suse. if you want to impress your superviser, you install debian. If you want to impress yourself, you install slackware.
anyway. I recon the corporates need us more then we need them.
pesky consultants.
Personally, I don't trust anyone with automatic updates. I like reviewing what each update does, whether I need it, and if anyone has experienced any problems with it.
I personally have firewalled windows off from its updates and genneral chatter back to base. I don't trust it , and I especially don't trust the computer thinking it can upgrade to new licence restrictions without my permission.
I also never really trusted redhats or mandrakes updates either. On a few occasions its busted things for me.
But I *do* trust debian. Quite simply the tightly scrutinised review process is nearly (not quite tho!) waterproof enuff for me to leave it on a cron job and get it to notify me if anything wants to ask questions.
Debain has NEVER let me down, and with apt on a cronjob, it also leaves me alone. Just how I like it , neither seen nor heard.
Basic at the command prompt. ***drool***
... BASIC... Any old school geek would think its just swell.
Seriously. Why is there not a unix shell with
It most certainly is not redundant.
One line.........
10 OPEN "COM1:" as #1
explains it all. For RS232 work, QBASIC is gold standard for me.... For exerything else.. Forth baby!!!!
Ah.. hehe.
That reminds me of an old search tip I worked out as a techy.
If you cant find an answer to the problem with a bit of equipment, put the name in and add either "fu*ked" or "hosed". Wierdly it works 99% of the time for me.
As long as it is input propperly, the brain shouldn't be able to tell the difference between reality and the simulated world.
Especially if the computer is programmed with the assumption that the brain should not be allowed to be aware of the LOD (wow, I never thought I'd use that term in philosophical debate).
BTW, anyone with keen interest in tihs topic with a good sci-fi tastes have just gotta read greg egans "Permutation City". Its a classic.
3d) Then cop the big payout from pepsi when the x-prize rocket with the coke logo gets burned to shred cause John carmac attached the batteries with gaffa tape.
Couple of points.
A) SCO *HAS* to disclose evidence pre case... Its called discovery
B) Governments can make treaties between each other. But if a government (with an even vaugely independant legal system) made a treaty trying to bind the INDEPENDANT court from acting, I suspect the INDEPENDANT court would throw the treaty out the window quicker than you can blink. Remember, theres a difference between laws and the means of enacting em. You cant just sign a contract locking the legal system out of intervening in matters involving third parties.
Think: 3 parties. Government , courts, companies. In a civil case, the govt just doesnt play a role other than make rules for the courts. And of course, why would a government make such a treaty anyway. It just wouldnt make sense?
Dude. That is one nutty site.
Allmost fell of the chair laughing!
WELCOME TO ZOMBOCOM!
Rand of course being an entirely unoriginal pseudo-philosopher ripped mind-body of descartes.
I think her reaction to all this would be somewhat around the reaction I got once trying to bring her up in a philosophy tute... Something like "Thats nice shayne, but Ayn Rand is not a philosopher, she was a cult leader."
Trust me, I dont think the serious world of art academics'd give a fuck what a half baked angerhead like rand would say.