No my friend anyone who effectively claims (A) America is communist and (B) Said communists went backwards in time hundreds of years before communism began to start communism (natural consequence) *IS* a troll. Anyway aparently 5 other people marked him interesting
...And in other news the whole Dept of Interior was taken out a team of Elite HaXors known ownly as "7th Circut District Court". A spokesman for the group commented "Mad Props for da Indian brothers."
Actually dude, you probably can. I managed with some serious strain to get Samba sorta-running on the Etrax100lx. Not stable enough to deploy, but for an afternoon curiosity hack I was pleasantly surprised, and I'm sure it's nothing that can't be fixed.
The thing with embeded linux is there are low overhead versions of many of the nice bits in linux. Boa for web serving does much , including php! , that Apache does, busybox provides a near complete unix toolkit, samba does infact work with soem massaging.
None the less I agree that the article was a little narrow. Linux is clearly inappropriate for some ultra precise RT work, but it's a winner for a lot of consumer stuff like hand helds and the like.
VX-works is really a winner for.. say.. routers and the like, but linux does rock for that geeky mp3 playing dishwasher you always wanted.
I agree that Tivo, and for that matter Axis's stuff make for pretty compelling stuff, but there are caveats that are verry hard to ignore as well.
Take for instance Axis's camera servers. Ok, we have what looks like a pretty compelling argument here gor the power of Linux (or actually ucLinux, but the 100lx processors do the real thing), what with straming video and all, but when you actually look at it, you see it's not just linux at work there. The processor is a joy to behold and that does help, and most of the video grunt work is done from an offboard mjpeg processor chip.
Linux works beautifully on this platform, because it was designed for it, and maximo kudos for the Axis lads for a real nice distro.
None the less, linux has some big problems with latencies. It's not tooo bad, on the etrax dev mailing list the other day, there was some talk of latencies, and *from memory* I think the 1ms figure was bandied about as achievable.
But for a lot of stuff, it's just too much at once with linux. There really is nothing like ripping out the old forth compiler chain and having exact hard realtime control over latencies and the like
It all depends on the app. I would not trust a cardiac pacemaker to linux, but I wouldn't want to make a mp3 player on VX-Works. It really depends on the app, and that all boils down to timing.
Re:Okie dokey - time to figure out how to migrate!
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If your punking out of a Exchange box, you *should* be able to just bunch into it via IMAP and grab the goodies.
Either that or put on the gloves and write some sort of horrid little script to do it. The Obj Model is pretty gnarled but Python handles it just fine.
Dude , I'd start by getting an XML-RPC or SOAP client going on your end and just hand em the Spec.
I'd sure be interested in PHPGroupware with XML-RPC or SOAP. It's sooooo easy to create clients and automatable that way. With the Soap , even the dredded VB goons can play (But XML-RPC's much cleaner IMHO)
Yeah, but as long as no one is under any impressions that Ximian actually have anything to do with opensource.
Ah... Maybe I'm venting, I've been watching evolution for soooooo long now and all the reports have seemed to imply that they where not interested in exchange because of closed protocol.
Seems to me of course is that they where stopping anyone from "scratching that itch" Opensource style.
Pffft. They can stick it where the sun don't shine. I'm gonna crack out that python and roll my own.
Should be worth mentioning tho that VST plugins work charmingly under Audacity and plenty of other software, although Audacity does seem to suffer from some synch problems.
The problem with that, is most 3rd world people don't WANT westerners telling them what to do or how to live, they just want food and perhaps a little help with medicine and education.
Would you want cops from, say , somalia or afghanistan pointing guns around you and telling you what to do?
(BTW I don't refer to possibly necesarry interventions LIKE afghanistan or East Timor, but to suggest it in peacfull but busted-ass countries is a little..... colonial perhaps.
Ok , granted that it's a pretty wierd concept whacking a computer in a village that possibly doesnt have a phone, there are ways that information and grass-roots McGyvering can be usefull.
I've seen hippie communes where the most amazing stuff has been built outa bits of junk and the like
A 286 loaded up with Minix , Chipmunk basic and some simplistic database software could probably go a mile in helping village elders (with geek help) organise and create some form of information infrastucture to help plan and coordinate things like harvests and also in planning for when appealing to governments and aid agencies is necessary. A word processor and 9pin could probably go a long way in impressing the regional tinpot bean counter.
Re:Volunteer work would be great if you got paid..
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Not necesarrily. As another poster has pointed out. Taking a year out for world travel rarely puts anyone behind the eight ball hard enough that it's not swiftly recovorable on the first job back home. Anyway if you dont get the old job back (do you want it back?) you get a new one. It's IT remember.
Seriously speaking, I spent six months doing something far more contentious than human welfare work, and that was forest-rescue work. You know, chaining to trees and the like, and it still ended with me going straight into IT work. I've done defence work, security work, and many fairly conservative jobs since, and no one really is bothered by my "hippie" stance, because employers value passion and motivation.
Nonono. That's not the issue at all. OSI have no say over the GPL. That's controlled by the FSF who , truth be told,don't always get on well with the FSF. If the OSI facilitated a breach of the FSF's copywrite , I suspect that the FSF wouldnt get legal on the OSI about it, but I'm sure the OSI isn't really into the game of generating invalid licences.
I'm pretty sure you can add your own amendments to the GPL, but I think that's pretty much on a case by case basis and that does not necesarrily give the right to call it a GPL. But don't quote me on it.
If you can do any programming at all, I implore you just to do the little tutorial in the help files. It's a freaking winner! *EVERYONE* Who I know who learned it this way pretty much had mastery over Python in under the week. It is *beautifull* like that.
If nothing more, than to grind one's teeth on the *art* of language design. Am I reading you wrong, or are you actually convinced that Python and Perl are the highest glory of formal systems?
...No that's SmallTalk;). One day I might even figure out how to do something usefull with it;)
Of course there are some langs that do exist pretty much for the art of it. Think Prolog (Oh ok.. PostScript uses). Doesn't mean we are not richer for them.
I must agree that learning new languages is a good thing, even if you never end up using it. Take Python; Having avoided Perl because of the gaga looking syntax I picked up Python as a good alternative. I never really would of realised just how usefull for representation Tuple/list/dictionary type combinations really can be. You don't actually *need* variants of the windoze variety with this. (Ergo Soap works charmingly).
I rarely end up using python professionaly other than for supernifty one off hacks (in heroic time!) but it's sure filled my head with nifty new ways of going about things in my 'mainstream' programming life.
I'm sure Ruby has it's little charms too. Must investigate.
Actually dude, I think that bringing in DMCA stuff will most certainly happen in CANADA, what with all the NAFTA type stuff and whatnot, so you probably can't win anywhere. We got simmilarly reamed over here in Australia
Oh, and to the replier who got huffy about the US government comment. Chill bro. Just cause someone says your government bites, they aint saying America itself bites. It's democracy dude, and the US is supposed to be the king of it. Without critisism, there IS no democracy! relax. Foreigners being critical of US government decisions does not automatically mean they are enemies of the state or whatever.
Christ I remember having a screaming match in front of a first year lecture MANY moons ago with a lecturer who insisted it was "Control Program for Minicomputers". I was certain it was "Central Program for Microprocessors"
Heh... We where both wrong. Now I know what that bearded guy in the front row was grinnin 'bout.
I do wonder whether they have that right however on code that has been GPL contributed to by 3rd parties. Soliciting free labour on the terms that it's a community project and then shunting them out of the deal by closing the source doesnt sound fair, and I doubt it's necesarilly above board either. But hey! as they say...IANAL
I honestly and utterly believe that if contributers to that code , who contributed there time (and therefore money) did so in the belief that that code is GPL, than there is no two ways about it;- they are entitled to compensation , or at least the same rights that they granted the publishers when they submitted their GPL'd submissions
There is nothing more *f_ked up* than putting in work into a community project only to have some renegade company pirate (yes I said *pirate*) your work and make it closed work. Some one *please* call a lawyer. And for god sake if you have a shred of decency , do *NOT* purchase that game.
It's kind of nifty indeed, but it's really quite goofy in comparison to the bash version, in that it often chooses where it should hold off (ambiguity). It also suffers from not being select out of the PWD.
Actually dude. That's really unfair. Slashdot for all it's zealotry keeps it's bias on it's sleave. You *know* Slashdot has it's bias, that's why your here right?
Seriously, the professional astroturfers on this site love to whinge about how the slashdot sysops are anti-ms, but hey; they admit it don't they?
Compare that to MS owned news and the fact it NEVER critisizes windows, but pretends to be unbiased (One would even believe it if one didn't know better)
At the end of the day , it reminds me of a comment by Aust media theorist John Hartley that "Propaganda is more honest than news, because at least it admits it's bias".
I'd suspect that the American Aboriginal folk probably where not so much interested in stopping technology , but rather managing it's effects to avoid detremental consequence to the culture and economic structures that supported the culture. There is a difference
The reason I say this, is that this is that in my (Australian) country , many of the more traditional language group indiginous groups have taken to *certain* technologies with glee (such as video conferencing!) while keeping cautious of ones that have the potential danger tech.
The key is managing with a healthy sense of sceptisism, as opposed to luditism
The red hat blurb says that if the red hat option happened , the number of computers per school goes up from 14 to 70, and red hats support/software offer is perpetual.
But hell yeah, LUG's would probably love to help out public schools and the like cross over from the 'Dark side'
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No my friend anyone who effectively claims (A) America is communist and (B) Said communists went backwards in time hundreds of years before communism began to start communism (natural consequence) *IS* a troll. Anyway aparently 5 other people marked him interesting
And conservatives bite anyway.
...And in other news the whole Dept of Interior was taken out a team of Elite HaXors known ownly as "7th Circut District Court". A spokesman for the group commented "Mad Props for da Indian brothers."
Actually dude, you probably can. I managed with some serious strain to get Samba sorta-running on the Etrax100lx. Not stable enough to deploy, but for an afternoon curiosity hack I was pleasantly surprised, and I'm sure it's nothing that can't be fixed.
.. say .. routers and the like, but linux does rock for that geeky mp3 playing dishwasher you always wanted.
The thing with embeded linux is there are low overhead versions of many of the nice bits in linux. Boa for web serving does much , including php! , that Apache does, busybox provides a near complete unix toolkit, samba does infact work with soem massaging.
None the less I agree that the article was a little narrow. Linux is clearly inappropriate for some ultra precise RT work, but it's a winner for a lot of consumer stuff like hand helds and the like.
VX-works is really a winner for
I agree that Tivo, and for that matter Axis's stuff make for pretty compelling stuff, but there are caveats that are verry hard to ignore as well.
Take for instance Axis's camera servers. Ok, we have what looks like a pretty compelling argument here gor the power of Linux (or actually ucLinux, but the 100lx processors do the real thing), what with straming video and all, but when you actually look at it, you see it's not just linux at work there. The processor is a joy to behold and that does help, and most of the video grunt work is done from an offboard mjpeg processor chip.
Linux works beautifully on this platform, because it was designed for it, and maximo kudos for the Axis lads for a real nice distro.
None the less, linux has some big problems with latencies. It's not tooo bad, on the etrax dev mailing list the other day, there was some talk of latencies, and *from memory* I think the 1ms figure was bandied about as achievable.
But for a lot of stuff, it's just too much at once with linux. There really is nothing like ripping out the old forth compiler chain and having exact hard realtime control over latencies and the like
It all depends on the app. I would not trust a cardiac pacemaker to linux, but I wouldn't want to make a mp3 player on VX-Works. It really depends on the app, and that all boils down to timing.
Oops. your right. Sorry bro. :)
If your punking out of a Exchange box, you *should* be able to just bunch into it via IMAP and grab the goodies.
Either that or put on the gloves and write some sort of horrid little script to do it. The Obj Model is pretty gnarled but Python handles it just fine.
Dude , I'd start by getting an XML-RPC or SOAP client going on your end and just hand em the Spec.
I'd sure be interested in PHPGroupware with XML-RPC or SOAP. It's sooooo easy to create clients and automatable that way. With the Soap , even the dredded VB goons can play (But XML-RPC's much cleaner IMHO)
Yeah, but as long as no one is under any impressions that Ximian actually have anything to do with opensource.
Ah... Maybe I'm venting, I've been watching evolution for soooooo long now and all the reports have seemed to imply that they where not interested in exchange because of closed protocol.
Seems to me of course is that they where stopping anyone from "scratching that itch" Opensource style.
Pffft. They can stick it where the sun don't shine. I'm gonna crack out that python and roll my own.
Should be worth mentioning tho that VST plugins work charmingly under Audacity and plenty of other software, although Audacity does seem to suffer from some synch problems.
Doont know bout for Linux tho.
The problem with that, is most 3rd world people don't WANT westerners telling them what to do or how to live, they just want food and perhaps a little help with medicine and education.
..... colonial perhaps.
Would you want cops from, say , somalia or afghanistan pointing guns around you and telling you what to do?
(BTW I don't refer to possibly necesarry interventions LIKE afghanistan or East Timor, but to suggest it in peacfull but busted-ass countries is a little
Or perhaps "Teenage Katz bashing Troll"
Ok , granted that it's a pretty wierd concept whacking a computer in a village that possibly doesnt have a phone, there are ways that information and grass-roots McGyvering can be usefull.
I've seen hippie communes where the most amazing stuff has been built outa bits of junk and the like
A 286 loaded up with Minix , Chipmunk basic and some simplistic database software could probably go a mile in helping village elders (with geek help) organise and create some form of information infrastucture to help plan and coordinate things like harvests and also in planning for when appealing to governments and aid agencies is necessary. A word processor and 9pin could probably go a long way in impressing the regional tinpot bean counter.
Not necesarrily. As another poster has pointed out. Taking a year out for world travel rarely puts anyone behind the eight ball hard enough that it's not swiftly recovorable on the first job back home. Anyway if you dont get the old job back (do you want it back?) you get a new one. It's IT remember.
Seriously speaking, I spent six months doing something far more contentious than human welfare work, and that was forest-rescue work. You know, chaining to trees and the like, and it still ended with me going straight into IT work. I've done defence work, security work, and many fairly conservative jobs since, and no one really is bothered by my "hippie" stance, because employers value passion and motivation.
Nonono. That's not the issue at all. OSI have no say over the GPL. That's controlled by the FSF who , truth be told ,don't always get on well with the FSF. If the OSI facilitated a breach of the FSF's copywrite , I suspect that the FSF wouldnt get legal on the OSI about it, but I'm sure the OSI isn't really into the game of generating invalid licences.
I'm pretty sure you can add your own amendments to the GPL, but I think that's pretty much on a case by case basis and that does not necesarrily give the right to call it a GPL. But don't quote me on it.
If you can do any programming at all, I implore you just to do the little tutorial in the help files. It's a freaking winner! *EVERYONE* Who I know who learned it this way pretty much had mastery over Python in under the week. It is *beautifull* like that.
Must check out Ruby tho..
If nothing more, than to grind one's teeth on the *art* of language design. Am I reading you wrong, or are you actually convinced that Python and Perl are the highest glory of formal systems?
;). One day I might even figure out how to do something usefull with it ;)
...No that's SmallTalk
Of course there are some langs that do exist pretty much for the art of it. Think Prolog (Oh ok.. PostScript uses). Doesn't mean we are not richer for them.
(Hope I didn't start a holy war here!).*grin*
I must agree that learning new languages is a good thing, even if you never end up using it. Take Python; Having avoided Perl because of the gaga looking syntax I picked up Python as a good alternative. I never really would of realised just how usefull for representation Tuple/list/dictionary type combinations really can be. You don't actually *need* variants of the windoze variety with this. (Ergo Soap works charmingly).
I rarely end up using python professionaly other than for supernifty one off hacks (in heroic time!) but it's sure filled my head with nifty new ways of going about things in my 'mainstream' programming life.
I'm sure Ruby has it's little charms too. Must investigate.
Actually dude, I think that bringing in DMCA stuff will most certainly happen in CANADA, what with all the NAFTA type stuff and whatnot, so you probably can't win anywhere. We got simmilarly reamed over here in Australia
Oh, and to the replier who got huffy about the US government comment. Chill bro. Just cause someone says your government bites, they aint saying America itself bites. It's democracy dude, and the US is supposed to be the king of it. Without critisism, there IS no democracy! relax. Foreigners being critical of US government decisions does not automatically mean they are enemies of the state or whatever.
Christ I remember having a screaming match in front of a first year lecture MANY moons ago with a lecturer who insisted it was "Control Program for Minicomputers". I was certain it was "Central Program for Microprocessors"
Heh... We where both wrong. Now I know what that bearded guy in the front row was grinnin 'bout.
I do wonder whether they have that right however on code that has been GPL contributed to by 3rd parties. Soliciting free labour on the terms that it's a community project and then shunting them out of the deal by closing the source doesnt sound fair, and I doubt it's necesarilly above board either. But hey! as they say ...IANAL
Absolutely.
I honestly and utterly believe that if contributers to that code , who contributed there time (and therefore money) did so in the belief that that code is GPL, than there is no two ways about it;- they are entitled to compensation
, or at least the same rights that they granted the publishers when they submitted their GPL'd submissions
There is nothing more *f_ked up* than putting in work into a community project only to have some renegade company pirate (yes I said *pirate*) your work and make it closed work. Some one *please* call a lawyer. And for god sake if you have a shred of decency , do *NOT* purchase that game.
It's kind of nifty indeed, but it's really quite goofy in comparison to the bash version, in that it often chooses where it should hold off (ambiguity). It also suffers from not being select out of the PWD.
Actually dude. That's really unfair. Slashdot for all it's zealotry keeps it's bias on it's sleave. You *know* Slashdot has it's bias, that's why your here right?
Seriously, the professional astroturfers on this site love to whinge about how the slashdot sysops are anti-ms, but hey; they admit it don't they?
Compare that to MS owned news and the fact it NEVER critisizes windows, but pretends to be unbiased (One would even believe it if one didn't know better)
At the end of the day , it reminds me of a comment by Aust media theorist John Hartley that "Propaganda is more honest than news, because at least it admits it's bias".
Think about it.
, but I had a racist Brazillian GF once (against Asians)
..... you guessed it!
I presume that you do not intend to suggest that ALL brazilians are racist?
THAT would also be
(Just nitpicking)
I'd suspect that the American Aboriginal folk probably where not so much interested in stopping technology , but rather managing it's effects to avoid detremental consequence to the culture and economic structures that supported the culture. There is a difference
The reason I say this, is that this is that in my (Australian) country , many of the more traditional language group indiginous groups have taken to *certain* technologies with glee (such as video conferencing!) while keeping cautious of ones that have the potential danger tech.
The key is managing with a healthy sense of sceptisism, as opposed to luditism
The talisban of course are just plain goons.
The red hat blurb says that if the red hat option happened , the number of computers per school goes up from 14 to 70, and red hats support/software offer is perpetual.
But hell yeah, LUG's would probably love to help out public schools and the like cross over from the 'Dark side'