Musk has been caught in many lies about Tesla. I am suprised people continue to believes the guy.
1) He has said the company got the federal loan last year. When reporters could not find any evidence of that, he recanted. 2) He said GE Capital was investing. When told GE had no plans to invest, he comes up with a story that they were going to invest but backed out on the day he made that announcement. 3) He told Car & Driver that he would personally refund any deposits lost. Later, during the unveiling of the Model S in Los Angeles he said customer deposits were at risk.
One reason for Musk's ever-chaning answers may be his shifting fortunes. We hear he's been complaining to friends about being short on cash and having to sell investments at a loss in order to invest in Tesla's recent debt round. He's living in Los Angeles and flying up to the Bay Area to work at Tesla. We're told he's staying with friends -- possibly a move to defray the costs of his commute. Add to that an almost certainly expensive divorce from his wife Justine. If buyers are going to rely on Musk's backing for their deposits, they should be asking him to open up his books.
Yes they are. If they do not get either of their two federal loans they will need to declare bankruptacy. The have burned through all their funding. They are using the Roadster and Model S deposits to fund operations. Without new money they have no means to manufacture the Model S. Musk has said that the deposts are at risk unless they get a federal loan.
Except the company is runing on fumes. It is using the deposits to fund its operations. If Tesla does not get either the $250 or $400 million federal loans, it will need to enter bankruptacy.
full of people trying desperately to come up with a way to justify their decision to spend *way* more money in electricity and increase emissions because they're too lazy or stuck in their ways to merely change their lightbulbs
You let me know when there is a replacement tehcnology because CFLs are not it. I was enthusiastic years ago, and recently gave it one more try. After experiencing the problems listed below and the costs, I have returned to incandescent and halogen bulbs.
Problems I have experienced:
1) Lose of brightness over time. All CFLs suffer from this problem. 2) Slow warm up over time. All CFLs suffer from this problem. 3) Power cycling affects bulb life; recommended for applications with 15+ minutes. 4) Cannot be used in high heat or extreme cold applications. 5) Heat build up, affecting ballast life and brightness. 6) Small bulbs not available for applications such as chandelier. 7) Special dimmable bulbs. 8) Buzzing from ballast. The statndard advice of buying from high quality manufacturer is moot since all admit to quality issues. 9) Disposal.
Perhaps from a layman's point of view Black's law dictionary is a "definitive" source, but I doubt lawyers actually cite those things in court.
I do not speak from a laymen view. I have a JD, although I am not a lawyer. Black's is a dictionary not case law, as I said before. It is the definitve dictionary source.
but most definitions in a law dictionary are so brief that you might as well not bother.
You have to know what you are looking for and in what context the word is used. This is why I expect people giving authoritive comments about a subject to have training in that subject. identity0 did not even bother to read the article and used criminal libel when the subject was about civil. That is the problem with all comments, not only Slashdot. Eveyrbody thinks they can offer expert comments when they know little to nothing on the matter. Take the question a few weeks ago about enterprise encryption and all the TrueCrypt responses. More than half of the posters had no idea what encryption for an orginzation means.
Libel is civil not criminal. The person that files the lawsuit is the plaintiff not the prosecutor. Let me guess, Wikipedia? Cornell's online law dictionary is decent and free, although I prefer Black's.
I currently enjoy: studying, music, computers, and women. For studying, I am in to biology, biochemistry, and chemistry. I see those fields as one continuum, not seperate areas of study. For music, I like Bruce Springsteen, Michael Jackson, and a little Eminem. For computers, I prefer Macs for my own use, but if I have to help around the lab I can do with other platforms also. With women, I like to date any girls except asian girls. I am through dating them since a slut I was dating lied to me. Asian girls only like you for power and money. They only want to party and have fun while you work hard on weekends and make appointments while they sleep around. Don't talk to me on this board if you are an asian girl. I don't care what you have to say. I need to move on with new women. Blonds find me cute and very attractive, and they like me for my head not my wallet (like you asian girls). I don't know any black girls at the moment.
I have no problem with public schools except in the U.S. My kids have attended public school in Canada and France. It was a choice of private school or home schooling. Since I work from home and was a SAHD for most of their life up to preschool, it was an easy choice. The kids socialize with their peers all the time. They have many friends. Both children do volunteer work.
I think most people hold the view that homeschooling is used primarily by religous folks that want to isolate their children. According the the U.S. Dept of Education, only 1/3 of parents homeschool their children for religous reasons. Their are children that live in rural areas that are still homeschooled or attend the traditional one room school house with a small set of students. There has has been no data to support the agrument that homeschooling retards social skills.
Except the JDK uses GPL while LLVM uses a modifed BSD license (hence why a few project are hoping to replace gcc with clang). Lack of reciprocity is the key if this is intended to be imported into CPython.
Tesla does not have a national dealer network to make a mass market car. Hell, they do not even have a manufacturing plant. When Fiat was looking to get back into the U.S., they priced a dealer network at $1 billion, and they were going to import the vehicles.
its not so difficult to get a practical car on the road, if your priorities are straight
From Musk himself, "The worst-case scenario is they would lose their money. They are at risk."
The financing of the Model S comes from deposits from people on the waiting list. It is $40k to reserve one of the first 2k cars or $5k for later cars. But this is old news. Tesla has been using the desposits from the Roadster to fund its operations since the company is running dangerously low on funds. The comapny has applied for two federal loans, $250M and $400M. They need to get either one to survive.
If they get their $400 million federal loan, and can find a site and build the manufacturing plant in time. Let us not forgot how they are funding current operations, with the car deposits.
There is bad blood between Jobs and McNealy (who is still chairman). I agree though, a merger between Apple and Sun would be better because nothing they have overlaps. Apple picks up enterprise software and hardware, which they clearly lack. They also would get a global services group. Although Sun is not profitable, they have little debt and $2.5 billion on hand.
Because we have the Republicans holding the budget of the state hostage every year. I would love if we could get a higher income tax on the wealthy (of which I am one) and redo Prop 13 to only include non-income primary residences.
And that is what my comment was about, a penalty for false notices (which happen all the time) not for claims of fair use. People seem to be under the assumption that fair use is something that anybody can claim to make the copyright holder go sulk in the corner. It is only a form of defense to be used in court, where you admit to using copyrighted content that you do not own under a narrow and limited right.
Fair use is a form of defense in court. A copyright holder can still, in good faith, believe that your use of their content does not meet the criteria for fair use.
My original comment was about abuse of the DMCA notice, where false information is present on the notice.
A statement by you: (a) that you believe in good faith that the use of the content that you claim to infringe your copyright is not authorized by law, or by the copyright owner or such owner's agent; and (b) under penalty of perjury, that all of the information contained in your Infringement Notice is accurate, and that you are either the copyright owner or a person authorized to act on their behalf.
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Musk has been caught in many lies about Tesla. I am suprised people continue to believes the guy.
1) He has said the company got the federal loan last year. When reporters could not find any evidence of that, he recanted.
2) He said GE Capital was investing. When told GE had no plans to invest, he comes up with a story that they were going to invest but backed out on the day he made that announcement.
3) He told Car & Driver that he would personally refund any deposits lost. Later, during the unveiling of the Model S in Los Angeles he said customer deposits were at risk.
Then there is this gem.
http://gawker.com/5189513/is-elon-musk-guaranteeing-tesla-buyers-deposits-yes-and-no
One reason for Musk's ever-chaning answers may be his shifting fortunes. We hear he's been complaining to friends about being short on cash and having to sell investments at a loss in order to invest in Tesla's recent debt round. He's living in Los Angeles and flying up to the Bay Area to work at Tesla. We're told he's staying with friends -- possibly a move to defray the costs of his commute. Add to that an almost certainly expensive divorce from his wife Justine. If buyers are going to rely on Musk's backing for their deposits, they should be asking him to open up his books.
2008-10-31 - http://valleywag.gawker.com/5072392/tesla-ceo-admits-the-companys-running-out-of-cash
2009-01-30 - http://valleywag.gawker.com/5143089/why-teslas-elon-musk-could-be-the-new-preston-tucker
2009-02-26 - http://gawker.com/5160624/teslas-motormouth-marketer-dodged-deposit-dilemma
2009-03-26 - http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/27/technology/start-ups/27tesla.html?_r=1&scp=3&sq=tesla&st=cse
They're not asking to be bailed out.
Yes they are. If they do not get either of their two federal loans they will need to declare bankruptacy. The have burned through all their funding. They are using the Roadster and Model S deposits to fund operations. Without new money they have no means to manufacture the Model S. Musk has said that the deposts are at risk unless they get a federal loan.
Honestly, who the hell drives nearly two hundred miles a day?
All the people that live in the Central Valley in Northern California and commute daily into Silicon Valley.
Except the company is runing on fumes. It is using the deposits to fund its operations. If Tesla does not get either the $250 or $400 million federal loans, it will need to enter bankruptacy.
Copper theft is at record highs right now.
A year ago, yes, not anymore. The prices for scrap has fallen through the floor, thanks to the global recession.
full of people trying desperately to come up with a way to justify their decision to spend *way* more money in electricity and increase emissions because they're too lazy or stuck in their ways to merely change their lightbulbs
You let me know when there is a replacement tehcnology because CFLs are not it. I was enthusiastic years ago, and recently gave it one more try. After experiencing the problems listed below and the costs, I have returned to incandescent and halogen bulbs.
Problems I have experienced:
1) Lose of brightness over time. All CFLs suffer from this problem.
2) Slow warm up over time. All CFLs suffer from this problem.
3) Power cycling affects bulb life; recommended for applications with 15+ minutes.
4) Cannot be used in high heat or extreme cold applications.
5) Heat build up, affecting ballast life and brightness.
6) Small bulbs not available for applications such as chandelier.
7) Special dimmable bulbs.
8) Buzzing from ballast. The statndard advice of buying from high quality manufacturer is moot since all admit to quality issues.
9) Disposal.
Perhaps from a layman's point of view Black's law dictionary is a "definitive" source, but I doubt lawyers actually cite those things in court.
I do not speak from a laymen view. I have a JD, although I am not a lawyer. Black's is a dictionary not case law, as I said before. It is the definitve dictionary source.
but most definitions in a law dictionary are so brief that you might as well not bother.
You have to know what you are looking for and in what context the word is used. This is why I expect people giving authoritive comments about a subject to have training in that subject. identity0 did not even bother to read the article and used criminal libel when the subject was about civil. That is the problem with all comments, not only Slashdot. Eveyrbody thinks they can offer expert comments when they know little to nothing on the matter. Take the question a few weeks ago about enterprise encryption and all the TrueCrypt responses. More than half of the posters had no idea what encryption for an orginzation means.
The article was about civil libel in the UK. My point stands.
Libel is civil not criminal. The person that files the lawsuit is the plaintiff not the prosecutor. Let me guess, Wikipedia? Cornell's online law dictionary is decent and free, although I prefer Black's.
From your bio:
I currently enjoy: studying, music, computers, and women. For studying, I am in to biology, biochemistry, and chemistry. I see those fields as one continuum, not seperate areas of study. For music, I like Bruce Springsteen, Michael Jackson, and a little Eminem. For computers, I prefer Macs for my own use, but if I have to help around the lab I can do with other platforms also. With women, I like to date any girls except asian girls. I am through dating them since a slut I was dating lied to me. Asian girls only like you for power and money. They only want to party and have fun while you work hard on weekends and make appointments while they sleep around. Don't talk to me on this board if you are an asian girl. I don't care what you have to say. I need to move on with new women. Blonds find me cute and very attractive, and they like me for my head not my wallet (like you asian girls). I don't know any black girls at the moment.
That sums it up.
I have no problem with public schools except in the U.S. My kids have attended public school in Canada and France. It was a choice of private school or home schooling. Since I work from home and was a SAHD for most of their life up to preschool, it was an easy choice. The kids socialize with their peers all the time. They have many friends. Both children do volunteer work.
I think most people hold the view that homeschooling is used primarily by religous folks that want to isolate their children. According the the U.S. Dept of Education, only 1/3 of parents homeschool their children for religous reasons. Their are children that live in rural areas that are still homeschooled or attend the traditional one room school house with a small set of students. There has has been no data to support the agrument that homeschooling retards social skills.
I do not subscribe to the Horay for me, fuck you! mentality.
And McClintock is a loon.
Except the JDK uses GPL while LLVM uses a modifed BSD license (hence why a few project are hoping to replace gcc with clang). Lack of reciprocity is the key if this is intended to be imported into CPython.
Tesla does not have a national dealer network to make a mass market car. Hell, they do not even have a manufacturing plant. When Fiat was looking to get back into the U.S., they priced a dealer network at $1 billion, and they were going to import the vehicles.
its not so difficult to get a practical car on the road, if your priorities are straight
And you have lots of cash, at least $2 billion.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/27/technology/start-ups/27tesla.html?hpw
From Musk himself, "The worst-case scenario is they would lose their money. They are at risk."
The financing of the Model S comes from deposits from people on the waiting list. It is $40k to reserve one of the first 2k cars or $5k for later cars. But this is old news. Tesla has been using the desposits from the Roadster to fund its operations since the company is running dangerously low on funds. The comapny has applied for two federal loans, $250M and $400M. They need to get either one to survive.
If they get their $400 million federal loan, and can find a site and build the manufacturing plant in time. Let us not forgot how they are funding current operations, with the car deposits.
3. I seriously doubt IBM gives a damn about Solaris or Sun's hardware business. Sorry.
Then you do not know much about either company.
There is bad blood between Jobs and McNealy (who is still chairman). I agree though, a merger between Apple and Sun would be better because nothing they have overlaps. Apple picks up enterprise software and hardware, which they clearly lack. They also would get a global services group. Although Sun is not profitable, they have little debt and $2.5 billion on hand.
Because we have the Republicans holding the budget of the state hostage every year. I would love if we could get a higher income tax on the wealthy (of which I am one) and redo Prop 13 to only include non-income primary residences.
your "anecdotal evidence" is as useless as mine.
That was my point. Sharp as a tack, I see.
I'm not an advocate for one system or the other.
Yet, you show disdain for homeschooling based on no evidence, just a gut feeling. See ancedotal evidence above.
Your children will not have the experience of going to church, because you don't want them to.
No, they do not go because we live in reality.
Wow, another armchair lawyer.
And that is what my comment was about, a penalty for false notices (which happen all the time) not for claims of fair use. People seem to be under the assumption that fair use is something that anybody can claim to make the copyright holder go sulk in the corner. It is only a form of defense to be used in court, where you admit to using copyrighted content that you do not own under a narrow and limited right.
Fair use is a form of defense in court. A copyright holder can still, in good faith, believe that your use of their content does not meet the criteria for fair use.
My original comment was about abuse of the DMCA notice, where false information is present on the notice.
Incorrect.
A statement by you: (a) that you believe in good faith that the use of the content that you claim to infringe your copyright is not authorized by law, or by the copyright owner or such owner's agent; and (b) under penalty of perjury, that all of the information contained in your Infringement Notice is accurate, and that you are either the copyright owner or a person authorized to act on their behalf.