An appeal is to take the original case to a higher court and ask them to overrule a lower court. What she did was re-file the same case years later with the same court. That is not an appeal.
99.9% of the discussions in a social environment are NOT about the facts.
Sorry but your friends are no like mine. Mine like to talk about facts and opinions of those facts. With mine I would say the ratio is closer to 80%.
Look it up and you find the truth. The discussion can move on.
Other outcomes are as follows; You waste time supporting your conflicting opinions and the discussion gets hijacked over who is correct. You accept the wrong fact and the discussion becomes invalid because it is based on a false premise.
Talking to others is what was important.
I like to learn things along with talking.
I always prefer to verify a fact when I can rather than assume what someones says is true. One person looking up a fact for 30 seconds does not end discussion it just moves it along. For example, last weekend I was playing board games at a pub. We wanted to play Settlers of Catan. We normally have four players and the standard rules are set up for that. Tonight we had five players. We used our smartphones to find the 5/6 players setup for Settlers. Without the smartphone we would all have been disappointing.
BTW, I have a form of autism that causes me to have a need to verify facts. If there is a controversy my mind fixates on it and it takes me out of the discussion. Verifying facts actually allows me to stay in the conversation.
Considering each sample is less than a gram over 1,000 can be launched in one kilogram for an income of over $12,000,000.00. Nice payback for one kilogram. Remember this is tagging along on a lander launch that is already paid for by other funding. One additional kilogram will not make much difference and it would be worth $12M.
There is a new meme going around. At the beginning of the dinner everyone puts their phone face down in the middle of the table. The first person to pick up their phone without the consent of everyone else before the end of the meal pays for everyone. This leave the option open to do things constructive to the conversation, like checking on a late party member, while still not paying.
Exactly, by using your phone during a conversation you are telling the group that they are not interesting enough to hold your attention. That is very passive aggressive. The better option would be to either remove yourself or actively try to change the conversation. Another option is to display patients and just smile and nod until the conversation moves on. No one like to think they are boring.
Good - Looking up contentious fact being discussed. Bad - Shopping online while conversation is going on. Good - Taking one picture to memorialize a special dinner. Bad - Taking a picture of every plate of food one eats. Good - Texting late guest to see where they are? Bad - Texting someone completely unrelated to the event. Bad - Talking loudly on one's phone while other people are having a conversation.
The problem is not that the smartphone is being but why the smartphone is being used. If the use contributes to the event I don't see an issue.
Demand is generally higher during the day, so at least for a while this will mean a less variable demand on other supplies, not more.
That is true until the daytime solar production approaches total daytime demand. Previously, base demand is supplied by coal and other slow ramping systems. During the day this base load supplies about 50% and almost 100% at night. The ramp up for daytime demand was handles by faster ramping systems such as gas and hydro. The problem comes when solar makes up for more than 50% of daytime usage. Without storage one would start ramping down the conventional production to make room for the solar production. It would then need to ramp back up again for night.
Moving water up hills (or not letting it down -- letting hydro reservoirs fill up) is quite a good storage option on this scale.
That would mean building reservoirs and there are a limited number of places that have enough drop to make it viable.
Demand can also be shifted to some extent. You can within certain limits, choose when to cool a refrigerated warehouse, or charge an electric car. I imagine tarifs that make electricity cheap in the few hours after dawn and expensive in the few hours after sunset, for instance.
That requires a lot of infrastructure that does not yet exist.
I've seen reports significant gains in efficiency of making diesel from CO2 and electricity, to the point where that may become a storage option.
This technology has yet to be installed on a large scale hence my point that more research and development needs to be done on storage.
All of these things could be done. My point is that there is too much emphasis on production and not enough one storage, demand shifting, etc. Too many people think that more production is the answer when it is only part of the solution.
Yes PV solar plant are becoming less expensive if they dump all their power directly to the grid. If they are required to have a storage system so that they can base production on demand rather than supply the costs rise greatly. A molten salt plant is much more expensive to build and maintain than a field of PVs. Otherwise we get conventional plants that ramp way down during the day and back up at night. Both those ramps waste a lot of money and CO2.
More thought and money needs to go into storage. I don't think enough lithium batteries can be made to meet the terrawatt demand.
According to this most of the money comes from taxes goes to fund BBC World Service to Commonwealth and foreign nations so there is no cross funding with the Met.
According to the BBC's 2013/14 Annual Report, its total income was £5 billion (£5,066.0 million),[1] which can be broken down as follows: £3,726.1 million in licence fees collected from householders; £1,023.2 million from the BBC's Commercial Businesses; £244.6 million from government grants, of which £238.5 million is from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office for the BBC World Service; £72.1 million from other income, such as rental collections and royalties from overseas broadcasts of programming.
Or is it just that now we have more access to tools to expose their idiocy and it seems there are more of them?
With social media and sites like Slashdot we hear about every stupid move any public official makes. In times past such information would only be available to people in the local area. It is the same with stranger abductions. The rate of stranger abductions has gone down but the perception is that it has gone up due to the number of reports on the news.
The worst thing that is happening is the "the" meme. Too often I see "the government", "the police", "the school system", etc. All of these are made up by thousands of different people in different places under different circumstances. Too many identifiable groups are being treated as monolithic organizations. There is no "the government". There are thousands of separate organizations that have government responsibilities and most of them never talk to each other. For example, If we hear about one city government a month screwing up some might think that city governments are screwed up. That does not take into account that there are thousands of city governments and only a very small percentage has screwed up. Too many people generalize too much(yes, I realize the irony of that statement).
Here is an issue with a single transferable vote(STV) that is caused by voters not using it properly. Say there are five candidates and they are almost equally popular so each would initially get about 20% of the vote. The problem comes in if the voters do not make a second choice and the default is "none of the above". In this case basically stating their book is the only one qualified. By the third round of eliminations "none of the above" wins. That is why most elections have a runoff rather than using STV.
While it is not written in there that was the thought at the time. The Constitution has very few words and covers many broad area. The issue is with the last clause. It states "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Notice it states "people" and not "militia" and uses the word "State" and not "federal government". States rights are very important in the US. The "people" must have the arms so that they can form a militia to protect a free State from a despotic federal government. The militia needs to be regulated the people not so much.
There are other factors involved as well; - The government can keep track of who has training which creates of list of people who probably have guns. - The government could require certification on each type or model of firearm which basically makes the license an inventory of weapons.
Remember the basis for the right to bear arms is that the populous should be able to rise up against a despotic government. If the government knows exactly who has what guns a despotic government can easily come and take them away. The US was founded through a revolution which probably could not occur under many of the proposed laws. I realize that the current government is not despotic but laws have to last for a long time. Who know what could happen in 100 years. Do you think a despotic government will repeal laws that will help them?
Gun laws in the US are a political feel good issue anyway. There are so many illegal guns out there that any law would only effect the law abiding citizens and have little effect on criminals.
I'm not worried about the garbage truck and the "few minutes".
Here is a quote from your original post;
how it feels to be monitored day and night.
Do you enjoy the fact that you could end up on the No-Fly list with zero explanation as to how you got on the list, or how you could be removed due to your obvious innocence?
How do you get from license plate scans to No-Fly lists? They appear unconnected to me.
How will you feel when they come back in a few years complaining about the limited capability of vehicle mounted cameras and instead propose a fleet of drones to capture images in driveways and parking lots?
We can talk then if this is ever proposed. Drone surveillance is not an inevitable advance from garbage truck license plate cameras.
On top of all this, statistics will likely show this monitoring will do fuck-all to stop or curb auto theft.
. The agencies responding (which included 10 state agencies, 71 local agencies, and 1 federal agency) reported a total of 1,102 stolen vehicles recovered with a value of more than $6.5 million,
I sure as hell don't expect my auto insurance company to hand me a huge refund
This has nothing to do with insurance.
chop shops don't usually worry about keeping license plates intact.
Many stolen vehicles are not taken to chop shops but are left on the side of the road.
All your comment-on-my-comment shows is that you have no sense of humor whatsoever,
Sorry but I have seen way to many people on this site that actually hold the opinion that you stated. Perhaps if you made it clear the post was in just with something like "/sarcasm".
and that furthermore you're probably just another jackass that likes to start arguments just for the sake of starting an argument.
Nice assumption. Too bad it is inaccurate. Many people try to use slipper slope arguments as a reason to not do something. I am just point out how invalid those arguments are.
How long after that do you plan on adding facial recognition and audio recording to your garbage truck surveillance network, hmm?
"Never" is a plausible answer. Facial recognition/ audio recordings is not an inevitable extension of license plate scanning.
What you really want,
How about license plate scanning to find stolen cars and parking violators.
I'll bet, is barcodes tattooed on everyone, or RFID implants, with readers on every lamppost and telephone pole, and in people's houses too if you can get away with it, so you can track people everywhere they go.
No, that is many orders of magnitude more expensive and complex that putting scanners we already use on parking enforcement vehicles onto garbage trucks.
.OK, I'm being extreme on purpose (or am I?). But enough with the gods-be-damned surveillance state bullshit!
By making extreme statement you just show how weak your real argument is.
Broad data collection and aggregation changes the public nature of people's activities. It distorts this function, leading to false positives and arrests of harmless members of society.
That is a pretty broad statement. Can you tell me how license plate scanning can lead to false positives and arrests of harmless members of society.
So you won't mind if I just set up this webcam on the public street outside of your home and feed that stream to the internet, right?
Here are a couple of things wrong with your statement; 1. The garbage truck is not parked in front of your home 24/7 2. Only pictures of license plates are save. No pictures of people are saved. No vehicles parked off the road are photographed. 3. Access to the database is restricted and there will be retention policies in place. A webcam and license plate scanning are very different and equating the two is invalid.
Or perhaps we'll find some volunteers to follow you and your family around day and night as you drive around.
That is not what is being proposed.
Sometimes I really wonder what the hell it would take to get these morons to wake about privacy and how it feels to be monitored day and night.
Considering that the garbage truck will be on your street for a few minutes every week or two it is not monitoring day and night.
I have an HP printer. The stickers came in a separate bag. They were not attached to the printer. The printer itself was inside a bag. Setting the region is not a hardware switch. It would take a significant amount of manual work to do it including having to turn the printer on.
Why do you have a problem with the region being set by the first cartridge installed? Yeah they could do it at the factory but it would cost more.
It remains to be seen how this will pan out, but having these two companies sign on makes it more likely than ever that the future of transportation may not be autonomous vehicles or supersonic jets, but capsules flying through vacuum tubes.
Hyper loops, autonomous vehicles or supersonic jets and supersonic jets have different uses. If I am commuting to work or going camping I am probably not going to use a hyper loop or a supersonic jet. If I am travelling to an island a fair distance away I am probably not going to use a hyper loop or an autonomous vehicle. All three modes of transport will probably be useful in the future.
You are assuming that there is one continuous production line. What if it is broken up into two pieces; printer manufacture and packaging. The output printer manufacturing line are pallets of printers without the localized components. This output is then stored in a warehouse until needed by the packaging line. The the packaging line then takes these printers, adds the localized boxes, stickers, instructions, and cables and seals them up.
The beauty of this system is that any time a localized order comes in they can take already existing generic printers and ship them out very quickly while having a very low stock of premade printers.
Say there are 4 regions. Say a standard order is 5,000 printers and you want a stock of 4 orders.If the printers are completely localizes it would require a stockpile of 5,000 x 4 x 4 = 80,000 printers. If any of those regions run out They are probably out of luck till the next big production run.. If the printers are stored generically only 20,000 are required.
BTW, I bet the default language on the setup screen in all regions is English.
Or they could just be region locked at the factory, depending on what region-specific-box they will be packed into.
Factory region locking would require them to keep printer inventory for each region plus an inventory of cartridges for each region. It would be very bad to run out of printers for one region and have lots for other regions. It would be much simpler to have one inventory for printers that will automatically lock depending on the first cartridge inserted.
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She is asking for a copy of the tapes. That is very different than the tapes being reviewed.
An appeal is to take the original case to a higher court and ask them to overrule a lower court. What she did was re-file the same case years later with the same court. That is not an appeal.
99.9% of the discussions in a social environment are NOT about the facts.
Sorry but your friends are no like mine. Mine like to talk about facts and opinions of those facts. With mine I would say the ratio is closer to 80%.
Look it up and you find the truth. The discussion can move on.
Other outcomes are as follows;
You waste time supporting your conflicting opinions and the discussion gets hijacked over who is correct.
You accept the wrong fact and the discussion becomes invalid because it is based on a false premise.
Talking to others is what was important.
I like to learn things along with talking.
I always prefer to verify a fact when I can rather than assume what someones says is true. One person looking up a fact for 30 seconds does not end discussion it just moves it along. For example, last weekend I was playing board games at a pub. We wanted to play Settlers of Catan. We normally have four players and the standard rules are set up for that. Tonight we had five players. We used our smartphones to find the 5/6 players setup for Settlers. Without the smartphone we would all have been disappointing.
BTW, I have a form of autism that causes me to have a need to verify facts. If there is a controversy my mind fixates on it and it takes me out of the discussion. Verifying facts actually allows me to stay in the conversation.
Considering each sample is less than a gram over 1,000 can be launched in one kilogram for an income of over $12,000,000.00. Nice payback for one kilogram. Remember this is tagging along on a lander launch that is already paid for by other funding. One additional kilogram will not make much difference and it would be worth $12M.
And so our my friends. We would rather have the actual information rather than assumptions and mis-remembered facts.
There is a new meme going around. At the beginning of the dinner everyone puts their phone face down in the middle of the table. The first person to pick up their phone without the consent of everyone else before the end of the meal pays for everyone. This leave the option open to do things constructive to the conversation, like checking on a late party member, while still not paying.
Exactly, by using your phone during a conversation you are telling the group that they are not interesting enough to hold your attention. That is very passive aggressive. The better option would be to either remove yourself or actively try to change the conversation. Another option is to display patients and just smile and nod until the conversation moves on. No one like to think they are boring.
These situations are not so black and white.
Good - Looking up contentious fact being discussed.
Bad - Shopping online while conversation is going on.
Good - Taking one picture to memorialize a special dinner.
Bad - Taking a picture of every plate of food one eats.
Good - Texting late guest to see where they are?
Bad - Texting someone completely unrelated to the event.
Bad - Talking loudly on one's phone while other people are having a conversation.
The problem is not that the smartphone is being but why the smartphone is being used. If the use contributes to the event I don't see an issue.
Demand is generally higher during the day, so at least for a while this will mean a less variable demand on other supplies, not more.
That is true until the daytime solar production approaches total daytime demand. Previously, base demand is supplied by coal and other slow ramping systems. During the day this base load supplies about 50% and almost 100% at night. The ramp up for daytime demand was handles by faster ramping systems such as gas and hydro. The problem comes when solar makes up for more than 50% of daytime usage. Without storage one would start ramping down the conventional production to make room for the solar production. It would then need to ramp back up again for night.
Moving water up hills (or not letting it down -- letting hydro reservoirs fill up) is quite a good storage option on this scale.
That would mean building reservoirs and there are a limited number of places that have enough drop to make it viable.
Demand can also be shifted to some extent. You can within certain limits, choose when to cool a refrigerated warehouse, or charge an electric car. I imagine tarifs that make electricity cheap in the few hours after dawn and expensive in the few hours after sunset, for instance.
That requires a lot of infrastructure that does not yet exist.
I've seen reports significant gains in efficiency of making diesel from CO2 and electricity, to the point where that may become a storage option.
This technology has yet to be installed on a large scale hence my point that more research and development needs to be done on storage.
All of these things could be done. My point is that there is too much emphasis on production and not enough one storage, demand shifting, etc. Too many people think that more production is the answer when it is only part of the solution.
Yes PV solar plant are becoming less expensive if they dump all their power directly to the grid. If they are required to have a storage system so that they can base production on demand rather than supply the costs rise greatly. A molten salt plant is much more expensive to build and maintain than a field of PVs. Otherwise we get conventional plants that ramp way down during the day and back up at night. Both those ramps waste a lot of money and CO2.
More thought and money needs to go into storage. I don't think enough lithium batteries can be made to meet the terrawatt demand.
According to this most of the money comes from taxes goes to fund BBC World Service to Commonwealth and foreign nations so there is no cross funding with the Met.
According to the BBC's 2013/14 Annual Report, its total income was £5 billion (£5,066.0 million),[1] which can be broken down as follows:
£3,726.1 million in licence fees collected from householders;
£1,023.2 million from the BBC's Commercial Businesses;
£244.6 million from government grants, of which £238.5 million is from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office for the BBC World Service;
£72.1 million from other income, such as rental collections and royalties from overseas broadcasts of programming.
Or is it just that now we have more access to tools to expose their idiocy and it seems there are more of them?
With social media and sites like Slashdot we hear about every stupid move any public official makes. In times past such information would only be available to people in the local area. It is the same with stranger abductions. The rate of stranger abductions has gone down but the perception is that it has gone up due to the number of reports on the news.
The worst thing that is happening is the "the" meme. Too often I see "the government", "the police", "the school system", etc. All of these are made up by thousands of different people in different places under different circumstances. Too many identifiable groups are being treated as monolithic organizations. There is no "the government". There are thousands of separate organizations that have government responsibilities and most of them never talk to each other. For example, If we hear about one city government a month screwing up some might think that city governments are screwed up. That does not take into account that there are thousands of city governments and only a very small percentage has screwed up. Too many people generalize too much(yes, I realize the irony of that statement).
Here is an issue with a single transferable vote(STV) that is caused by voters not using it properly. Say there are five candidates and they are almost equally popular so each would initially get about 20% of the vote. The problem comes in if the voters do not make a second choice and the default is "none of the above". In this case basically stating their book is the only one qualified. By the third round of eliminations "none of the above" wins. That is why most elections have a runoff rather than using STV.
I don't see anything about uprising there.
While it is not written in there that was the thought at the time. The Constitution has very few words and covers many broad area. The issue is with the last clause. It states "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Notice it states "people" and not "militia" and uses the word "State" and not "federal government". States rights are very important in the US. The "people" must have the arms so that they can form a militia to protect a free State from a despotic federal government. The militia needs to be regulated the people not so much.
There are other factors involved as well;
- The government can keep track of who has training which creates of list of people who probably have guns.
- The government could require certification on each type or model of firearm which basically makes the license an inventory of weapons.
Remember the basis for the right to bear arms is that the populous should be able to rise up against a despotic government. If the government knows exactly who has what guns a despotic government can easily come and take them away. The US was founded through a revolution which probably could not occur under many of the proposed laws. I realize that the current government is not despotic but laws have to last for a long time. Who know what could happen in 100 years. Do you think a despotic government will repeal laws that will help them?
Gun laws in the US are a political feel good issue anyway. There are so many illegal guns out there that any law would only effect the law abiding citizens and have little effect on criminals.
And yet the NRA thinks that the " properly trained average person" with a firearm is the solution to the problem.
The NRA advocates proper training for anyone who owns or carries a firearm.
I'm not worried about the garbage truck and the "few minutes".
Here is a quote from your original post;
how it feels to be monitored day and night.
Do you enjoy the fact that you could end up on the No-Fly list with zero explanation as to how you got on the list, or how you could be removed due to your obvious innocence?
How do you get from license plate scans to No-Fly lists? They appear unconnected to me.
How will you feel when they come back in a few years complaining about the limited capability of vehicle mounted cameras and instead propose a fleet of drones to capture images in driveways and parking lots?
We can talk then if this is ever proposed. Drone surveillance is not an inevitable advance from garbage truck license plate cameras.
On top of all this, statistics will likely show this monitoring will do fuck-all to stop or curb auto theft.
You might be right but I bet it will increase the number of stolen vehicles recovered.
. The agencies responding (which included 10 state agencies, 71 local agencies, and 1 federal agency) reported a total of 1,102 stolen vehicles recovered with a value of more than $6.5 million,
I sure as hell don't expect my auto insurance company to hand me a huge refund
This has nothing to do with insurance.
chop shops don't usually worry about keeping license plates intact.
Many stolen vehicles are not taken to chop shops but are left on the side of the road.
All your comment-on-my-comment shows is that you have no sense of humor whatsoever,
Sorry but I have seen way to many people on this site that actually hold the opinion that you stated. Perhaps if you made it clear the post was in just with something like "/sarcasm".
and that furthermore you're probably just another jackass that likes to start arguments just for the sake of starting an argument.
Nice assumption. Too bad it is inaccurate. Many people try to use slipper slope arguments as a reason to not do something. I am just point out how invalid those arguments are.
Slippery slope arguments are, by definition, logical fallacies.
How long after that do you plan on adding facial recognition and audio recording to your garbage truck surveillance network, hmm?
"Never" is a plausible answer. Facial recognition/ audio recordings is not an inevitable extension of license plate scanning.
What you really want,
How about license plate scanning to find stolen cars and parking violators.
I'll bet, is barcodes tattooed on everyone, or RFID implants, with readers on every lamppost and telephone pole, and in people's houses too if you can get away with it, so you can track people everywhere they go.
No, that is many orders of magnitude more expensive and complex that putting scanners we already use on parking enforcement vehicles onto garbage trucks.
.OK, I'm being extreme on purpose (or am I?). But enough with the gods-be-damned surveillance state bullshit!
By making extreme statement you just show how weak your real argument is.
Broad data collection and aggregation changes the public nature of people's activities. It distorts this function, leading to false positives and arrests of harmless members of society.
That is a pretty broad statement. Can you tell me how license plate scanning can lead to false positives and arrests of harmless members of society.
So you won't mind if I just set up this webcam on the public street outside of your home and feed that stream to the internet, right?
Here are a couple of things wrong with your statement;
1. The garbage truck is not parked in front of your home 24/7
2. Only pictures of license plates are save. No pictures of people are saved. No vehicles parked off the road are photographed.
3. Access to the database is restricted and there will be retention policies in place.
A webcam and license plate scanning are very different and equating the two is invalid.
Or perhaps we'll find some volunteers to follow you and your family around day and night as you drive around.
That is not what is being proposed.
Sometimes I really wonder what the hell it would take to get these morons to wake about privacy and how it feels to be monitored day and night.
Considering that the garbage truck will be on your street for a few minutes every week or two it is not monitoring day and night.
I have an HP printer. The stickers came in a separate bag. They were not attached to the printer. The printer itself was inside a bag. Setting the region is not a hardware switch. It would take a significant amount of manual work to do it including having to turn the printer on.
Why do you have a problem with the region being set by the first cartridge installed? Yeah they could do it at the factory but it would cost more.
It remains to be seen how this will pan out, but having these two companies sign on makes it more likely than ever that the future of transportation may not be autonomous vehicles or supersonic jets, but capsules flying through vacuum tubes.
Hyper loops, autonomous vehicles or supersonic jets and supersonic jets have different uses. If I am commuting to work or going camping I am probably not going to use a hyper loop or a supersonic jet. If I am travelling to an island a fair distance away I am probably not going to use a hyper loop or an autonomous vehicle. All three modes of transport will probably be useful in the future.
You are assuming that there is one continuous production line. What if it is broken up into two pieces; printer manufacture and packaging. The output printer manufacturing line are pallets of printers without the localized components. This output is then stored in a warehouse until needed by the packaging line. The the packaging line then takes these printers, adds the localized boxes, stickers, instructions, and cables and seals them up.
The beauty of this system is that any time a localized order comes in they can take already existing generic printers and ship them out very quickly while having a very low stock of premade printers.
Say there are 4 regions. Say a standard order is 5,000 printers and you want a stock of 4 orders.If the printers are completely localizes it would require a stockpile of 5,000 x 4 x 4 = 80,000 printers. If any of those regions run out They are probably out of luck till the next big production run.. If the printers are stored generically only 20,000 are required.
BTW, I bet the default language on the setup screen in all regions is English.
Or they could just be region locked at the factory, depending on what region-specific-box they will be packed into.
Factory region locking would require them to keep printer inventory for each region plus an inventory of cartridges for each region. It would be very bad to run out of printers for one region and have lots for other regions. It would be much simpler to have one inventory for printers that will automatically lock depending on the first cartridge inserted.