What is it about decision-making like this that scares you ?
That stupid masses of people may eventually be responsible for ruining most of this country by voting with their ignorance and stupidity, while only the upper-classes enjoy a decent life.
Mail order, like overpriced columbia house? Online works I 'spose if someone has a credit card and a 'puter not infected with spyware, or they trust using it at the public library. Cityslicker cousin, what part of instant gratification now! don't you understand?
BTW, is it still not censorship if I have to go to another country to see or get something?
Yeah, I guess we shouldn't get excited about unavailable new consoles, football teams in the offseason, or pregnancies only a month along. The drive is coming with the PS3, so we're going to get excited about it's possibilities.
I don't, and the few scratches on my discs don't stop them from playing. Do you live on the beach or in the desert and keep your windows open? How did you get grit in the drive, leaving it open for holding coffee?
I forgot to mention that by Sony's own press release, they claim their CPU (Cell and IBM PowerPC combined) can do 218GFLOPS. The other 1800GFLOPS is from the Nvidia GPU. Really we'll have to wait for the games to show the differences, but it might be really hard to tell which system is actually better since the best games will be locked up as exclusives, so less direct comparison.
For the xbox, MS didn't push HDTV and so most of the games wouldn't run smooth enough in HD. There also wasn't enough HD market penetration for PC developers to port their titles and not have to mangle them to squeeze them down to 640x480. This generation porting a title meant for 1024x768 over to 1274x720 will be easy.
Just because consoles have lots of multiplayer games doesn't mean there aren't plenty of Spiderman-the-game or KOTOR's for them. Doom 4 and Morrowind should do quite well on xbox360. It's not like I'm expecting Civilization 4 to suddenly take the console market by storm, but it could sell more units with the larger market. Just to repeat myself for clarity, single-player on consoles is still alive and well.
I'm quite confident the market forces will find someone that develops a comfortable contoured keyboard and mouse tray for laps and legs.
Yes. http://www.netlib.org/utk/people/JackDongarra/faq- linpack.html The Linpack benchmark used for that list is tens or hundreds of times more strenuous than the simple benchmark Sony and MS are using. My Athlon 1.3GHz benches 51MFLOPS with Linpack and an app or two open.
Last year PC games sold $1.1 billion worth compared to $5.2 billion. 15% of the market. Maybe that's because keeping a PC in current-gaming shape is so much more expensive? Put PC games on consoles and they'll do plenty of business. Games like Evil Genius or Black & White will sell better and increase the variety available, encouraging developer experimentation.
Speaking of minorities, what kind of market penetration do HDMI-equipped TVs have in the USA? I'm guessing under 10%. Yet Sony and MS will support those.
MS wants xbox360 taken seriously, but you're seriously in the dark if you don't realize MS intends to leverage it by porting Longhorn and Office to it. In a few years when they don't lose money on the hardware they can sell it to parents as a competitor to the Apple mini. And MS will make money off Office, while shutting other PC vendors out of the loop.
Why should I when I could save hundreds of dollars buying a console for gaming, and a mid-range PC with integrated video for doing work on? Why spend the extra $800 every three years for a mid-to-high-end CPU, mobo, RAM, and video card when I could get a console every 6 for $400? This is the first generation that can offer 1920x1080 gaming, making it very competitive with PCs. All it needs is active corporate support and encouragement for monitors, keyboards and mice.
You think I enjoy installing games, messing with drivers and patches? I'd rather play World of Warcraft or Half-life 2 on an xbox360.
Oh gee wow I can connect an xbox to a monitor at 640x480 and not get the 1080i it's technically capable of! Which of the coming consoles will actively encourage keyboard and mouse gaming? Ya know, like have games designed so their controls take advantage of them?
Though this generation at least one console will almost definitely have a keyboard and mouse for surfing the web on HDTV's. No word on monitor support yet, to my disappointment. Now if right people would just see the light, they'll let their console use keyboard/mouse for control. Then PC gamers will switch in droves to play FPS, RTS, sim/god perspective, and Diablo-3/4ths overhead games.
Well hang on. It was most certainly possible to stack stuff on a horisontal PS2, it was just generally bad for cooling it. Technically the xbox360 can also have stuff on it, since it has a gentle concave depression. Some front-loading 3DO models could be stacked. The 3DO was about 1993, a year after the SegaCD.
You mean how it wasn't contoured for hands, but just rounded off two cones on either side? Where is the support, the feeling that it fits the contours of your hand? Both Nintendo and MS realized the left analog stick should be up near the triggers because it's uncomfortable to put two fingers up on the triggers while stretching the thumb down to the stick.
You couldn't stack a Genesis on a Super Nintendo either. In fact because the NES had a flat top, kids put their drinks on it instead of the shag carpet. Then the drink spilled and leaked inside the console. So the SNES was specifically shaped to discourage it's use as a coaster.
Now the PS2 is quite inviting as a coaster, and considering it's overheating issues I suppose a cold soda would even help it, but I wonder if Sony got complaints about spills? These new consoles are going to run so hot anyway that you really don't want to limit airflow or block any of their vents.
Unlike the previous generations, both the PS3 and xbox360 were designed to stand vertically, and probably cool better oriented that way. So stand them up, save some floorspace, stop bitching, and play.
Can someone who actually has a clue speculate on what it means to compare the
PS3: PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz 1 VMX vector unit per core 512KB L2 cache 7 x SPE @3.2GHz 7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs 7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE * 1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy
to the xbox360: Three symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each Two hardware threads per core; six hardware threads total VMX-128 vector unit per core; three total 128 VMX-128 registers per hardware thread 1 MB L2 cache
Also, what is XDR RAM? I've never heard of it, but the PS3 has 256MB of it running at 3.2GHz. It also has 256MB of GDDR3 VRAM at 700MHz.
The xbox360 has 512MB GDDR3 RAM at 700MHz unified, for the ATI video chip and CPU to share. How will these compare? Unified vs 256MB of blazing fast? Is it too late and or costly for Microsoft to switch to XDR?
Terrible? It's better than the Dual Shock. Also the console demographics are different than likely PC gamers. After they botched the too-big controller on release, the current one works pretty well for kids and adults.
Tell them games will have the details missing in the past. Grass and leaves instead of flat ground. Detailed hair on characters. Enough texture memory to almost make photo-realism come true. Crowds will have fewer clones in them. Explosions can actually rip into deformable terrain, or blow apart objects without so much fakery.
The release games almost never look as great as those three years into the cycle.
In MS's master plan, households will buy xbox360s instead of a PC to surf the net, write reports, and run Quicken. There will be hardware peripherals for it too, like MS's answer to the iPod. So is a Mac a PC? If so, why isn't the xbox360?
Are you just being a stickler? Is a Shuttle computer not a PC because it doesn't have all the ports and expansion capability of a mini-tower Dell? What about the iMac?
In a few years MS will be able to produce the xbox360 and not lose any money on it. Around that point they will release Longhorn and Office on it. If tax software and other popular programs follow, MS will have taken a huge chunk of business from Dell and other PC makers.
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What is it about decision-making like this that scares you ?
That stupid masses of people may eventually be responsible for ruining most of this country by voting with their ignorance and stupidity, while only the upper-classes enjoy a decent life.
Mail order, like overpriced columbia house? Online works I 'spose if someone has a credit card and a 'puter not infected with spyware, or they trust using it at the public library. Cityslicker cousin, what part of instant gratification now! don't you understand?
BTW, is it still not censorship if I have to go to another country to see or get something?
Yeah, I guess we shouldn't get excited about unavailable new consoles, football teams in the offseason, or pregnancies only a month along. The drive is coming with the PS3, so we're going to get excited about it's possibilities.
I don't, and the few scratches on my discs don't stop them from playing. Do you live on the beach or in the desert and keep your windows open? How did you get grit in the drive, leaving it open for holding coffee?
hold out for two years and hope holographic discs are finally out? Should offer 200-500GB per disc. HD's will probably still be a terabyte or less.
I forgot to mention that by Sony's own press release, they claim their CPU (Cell and IBM PowerPC combined) can do 218GFLOPS. The other 1800GFLOPS is from the Nvidia GPU. Really we'll have to wait for the games to show the differences, but it might be really hard to tell which system is actually better since the best games will be locked up as exclusives, so less direct comparison.
For the xbox, MS didn't push HDTV and so most of the games wouldn't run smooth enough in HD. There also wasn't enough HD market penetration for PC developers to port their titles and not have to mangle them to squeeze them down to 640x480. This generation porting a title meant for 1024x768 over to 1274x720 will be easy.
Just because consoles have lots of multiplayer games doesn't mean there aren't plenty of Spiderman-the-game or KOTOR's for them. Doom 4 and Morrowind should do quite well on xbox360. It's not like I'm expecting Civilization 4 to suddenly take the console market by storm, but it could sell more units with the larger market. Just to repeat myself for clarity, single-player on consoles is still alive and well.
I'm quite confident the market forces will find someone that develops a comfortable contoured keyboard and mouse tray for laps and legs.
Yes.- linpack.html
http://www.netlib.org/utk/people/JackDongarra/faq
The Linpack benchmark used for that list is tens or hundreds of times more strenuous than the simple benchmark Sony and MS are using. My Athlon 1.3GHz benches 51MFLOPS with Linpack and an app or two open.
Last year PC games sold $1.1 billion worth compared to $5.2 billion. 15% of the market. Maybe that's because keeping a PC in current-gaming shape is so much more expensive? Put PC games on consoles and they'll do plenty of business. Games like Evil Genius or Black & White will sell better and increase the variety available, encouraging developer experimentation.
Speaking of minorities, what kind of market penetration do HDMI-equipped TVs have in the USA? I'm guessing under 10%. Yet Sony and MS will support those.
MS wants xbox360 taken seriously, but you're seriously in the dark if you don't realize MS intends to leverage it by porting Longhorn and Office to it. In a few years when they don't lose money on the hardware they can sell it to parents as a competitor to the Apple mini. And MS will make money off Office, while shutting other PC vendors out of the loop.
Thanks for the info, hope you get modded up for this.
Why should I when I could save hundreds of dollars buying a console for gaming, and a mid-range PC with integrated video for doing work on? Why spend the extra $800 every three years for a mid-to-high-end CPU, mobo, RAM, and video card when I could get a console every 6 for $400? This is the first generation that can offer 1920x1080 gaming, making it very competitive with PCs. All it needs is active corporate support and encouragement for monitors, keyboards and mice.
You think I enjoy installing games, messing with drivers and patches? I'd rather play World of Warcraft or Half-life 2 on an xbox360.
no problem, enjoy your break.
Oh gee wow I can connect an xbox to a monitor at 640x480 and not get the 1080i it's technically capable of! Which of the coming consoles will actively encourage keyboard and mouse gaming? Ya know, like have games designed so their controls take advantage of them?
A comment shouldn't be modded troll for having a long memory. More like insightful.
Though this generation at least one console will almost definitely have a keyboard and mouse for surfing the web on HDTV's. No word on monitor support yet, to my disappointment. Now if right people would just see the light, they'll let their console use keyboard/mouse for control. Then PC gamers will switch in droves to play FPS, RTS, sim/god perspective, and Diablo-3/4ths overhead games.
Well hang on. It was most certainly possible to stack stuff on a horisontal PS2, it was just generally bad for cooling it. Technically the xbox360 can also have stuff on it, since it has a gentle concave depression. Some front-loading 3DO models could be stacked. The 3DO was about 1993, a year after the SegaCD.
You mean how it wasn't contoured for hands, but just rounded off two cones on either side? Where is the support, the feeling that it fits the contours of your hand? Both Nintendo and MS realized the left analog stick should be up near the triggers because it's uncomfortable to put two fingers up on the triggers while stretching the thumb down to the stick.
You couldn't stack a Genesis on a Super Nintendo either. In fact because the NES had a flat top, kids put their drinks on it instead of the shag carpet. Then the drink spilled and leaked inside the console. So the SNES was specifically shaped to discourage it's use as a coaster.
Now the PS2 is quite inviting as a coaster, and considering it's overheating issues I suppose a cold soda would even help it, but I wonder if Sony got complaints about spills? These new consoles are going to run so hot anyway that you really don't want to limit airflow or block any of their vents.
Unlike the previous generations, both the PS3 and xbox360 were designed to stand vertically, and probably cool better oriented that way. So stand them up, save some floorspace, stop bitching, and play.
Can someone who actually has a clue speculate on what it means to compare the
PS3: PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
1 VMX vector unit per core
512KB L2 cache
7 x SPE @3.2GHz
7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs
7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE * 1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy
to the xbox360:
Three symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each
Two hardware threads per core; six hardware threads total
VMX-128 vector unit per core; three total
128 VMX-128 registers per hardware thread
1 MB L2 cache
Also, what is XDR RAM? I've never heard of it, but the PS3 has 256MB of it running at 3.2GHz. It also has 256MB of GDDR3 VRAM at 700MHz.
The xbox360 has 512MB GDDR3 RAM at 700MHz unified, for the ATI video chip and CPU to share. How will these compare? Unified vs 256MB of blazing fast? Is it too late and or costly for Microsoft to switch to XDR?
Only spidey? It'll be pretty boring gameplay if it only renders him and no backgrounds...
Terrible? It's better than the Dual Shock. Also the console demographics are different than likely PC gamers. After they botched the too-big controller on release, the current one works pretty well for kids and adults.
Tell them games will have the details missing in the past. Grass and leaves instead of flat ground. Detailed hair on characters. Enough texture memory to almost make photo-realism come true. Crowds will have fewer clones in them. Explosions can actually rip into deformable terrain, or blow apart objects without so much fakery.
The release games almost never look as great as those three years into the cycle.
In MS's master plan, households will buy xbox360s instead of a PC to surf the net, write reports, and run Quicken. There will be hardware peripherals for it too, like MS's answer to the iPod. So is a Mac a PC? If so, why isn't the xbox360?
Are you just being a stickler? Is a Shuttle computer not a PC because it doesn't have all the ports and expansion capability of a mini-tower Dell? What about the iMac?
In a few years MS will be able to produce the xbox360 and not lose any money on it. Around that point they will release Longhorn and Office on it. If tax software and other popular programs follow, MS will have taken a huge chunk of business from Dell and other PC makers.