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I, Cringely On A Momentous Week

rocketjam writes "Robert X. Cringley offers his take on three recent high-tech occurrences, saying they add up to an 'inflection point' that will change the landscape of the personal computer, video game, and electronic entertainment businesses forever. He briefly points out that Bill Gates' revelation that the next-gen XBox will offer music and movie playing capabilities as well as web-surfing will put MS into direct competition with its hardware OEM customers. He also touches on Yahoo's new music service and Apple's rumored movie download service. The meat of the article though is his take on the significance of Google's Web Accelerator. He says, 'If surfing can be doubled in speed for nothing, of course nearly everyone will go for it', the upshot of which is that AOL, MSN and Earthlink lose their relevancy. From this point more speculation on the implications of Google's success in this endeavor ensues."

221 comments

  1. Gasp! by Meagermanx · · Score: 5, Funny

    The computer world is changing? OMFG!!

    1. Re:Gasp! by learn+fast · · Score: 3, Funny

      Thank god we have Robet X. Cringely to explain these things for us.

    2. Re:Gasp! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ohhh... Now I get it...

  2. ooOO by Stanistani · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Cringely is somewhat more reliable than Dvorak...
    but we still need the "pundit deduction" in force here.

    I do wonder about the xBox 360 though... can you say, "PC?"

    1. Re:ooOO by NanoGator · · Score: 2

      "I do wonder about the xBox 360 though... can you say, "PC?"

      XBOX 360 != PC. Just like XBOX != PC. That's like calling a man a woman because they're not biologically dissimilar and they can do pretty much the same work.

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    2. Re:ooOO by Stanistani · · Score: 4, Funny

      so...
      That makes the Xbox 360 a girly-box?
      Me confused.

    3. Re:ooOO by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oops. Forgot who my target audience here is. Next time, I'll leave comparisons to women out of my analogies.

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    4. Re:ooOO by BorgCopyeditor · · Score: 2, Funny

      Aristotle says we should always begin our reasoning from what is familiar to us.

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    5. Re:ooOO by MrAnnoyanceToYou · · Score: 1

      But he's a pundit that reads Slashdot. And carefully. Late in the article he mentions an anonymous Apple employee posting here. While I disagree completely with some of his conclusions - mainly due to the fact that, well, Google keeps talking about their 'core business' being search and everything else revolving around it for the foreseeable future, and Apple going to a subscription model won't exactly be tough - I also think he's come up with a quite well-reasoned article.

      He doesn't quite mention how scary it could be that GOOG is getting so big and is so effective at finding things. As government gets bigger and badder in the US, I am more scared by the week of the NSA just sort of walking into Google and taking over, or it having already happened... Call me paranoid, but they're probably able to find 4/5ths of everyone even mildly capable of organizing effectively.....

      Anyways. An interesting analysis but not taken as far as I would. I'd say that there could be a server / client war again, only this time BOTH players are enormous vertical monopolies. Wunderbar.

      Pundits are fun, in general, but I'd say Dvorak is more a cult icon expanded than an actual pundit...

    6. Re:ooOO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All consoles are PC's. Some just do a better Job of hiding that fact.

      Console = PC configured for a specific purpose, in this case gaming. This is evident by the fact that linux has been sucessfully installed on all of them.

    7. Re:ooOO by vought · · Score: 1
      "Cringely is somewhat more reliable than Dvorak..."


      Yes, and modern jet aircraft are somewhat more reliable than old piston-to-prop aircraft.

      Look it up....

    8. Re:ooOO by NeMon'ess · · Score: 1

      Are you just being a stickler? Is a Shuttle computer not a PC because it doesn't have all the ports and expansion capability of a mini-tower Dell? What about the iMac?

      In a few years MS will be able to produce the xbox360 and not lose any money on it. Around that point they will release Longhorn and Office on it. If tax software and other popular programs follow, MS will have taken a huge chunk of business from Dell and other PC makers.

    9. Re:ooOO by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      It still just a platform for generating licence fees out of software and in Microsoft's grand master plan any media that is played on it. The hardware has to be sold as cheaply as possible at cost or below cost to so as to maximise the oppurtunity to generate those licence fees. Of course the current media distributers (members of the RIAA and the MPA) might not like the idea of having to pay a microsoft tax on all the content they distribute (not at first just later once they have been hooked).

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    10. Re:ooOO by NeMon'ess · · Score: 1

      In MS's master plan, households will buy xbox360s instead of a PC to surf the net, write reports, and run Quicken. There will be hardware peripherals for it too, like MS's answer to the iPod. So is a Mac a PC? If so, why isn't the xbox360?

  3. More on XBOX 360. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting


    I work at Microsoft as do several of my friends. A couple work on the XBOX 360 and told me something over beer that really struck me as great marketting. Microsoft has purposely designed this box to be easy to break and mod-chip. The reason? Sales. They can go to game design houses and say "We sold X million units. You should design for us." and they will. Very much as in how they don't care much about the home pirate as they know it gives them mindshare.

    I'm not breaking an NDA here as I'm not actually on the dev team.

    1. Re:More on XBOX 360. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Worked for the desktop.

      That said, all wireless was a brilliant move. So's the harddrive.

      One of my buddies is already planning not only to buy one, but setting up to get it painted by the same guy who did his motorcycle helmet.

    2. Re:More on XBOX 360. by aftk2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How does this attitude jive with making a lower barrier to XBox Live? In case people don't know, XBox Live will be a two-tiered service, in which the free members can still chat with other members, access statistics, download certain types of content and play for free on weekends.

      Obviously, if XBox Live is more attractive, people will do the opposite of what you're describing: they'll be hesitant to mod their Xboxes, because then they won't be able to access Live. That is, unless Microsoft stops caring about modded Xboxes on Live - which I seriously doubt will be the case.

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    3. Re:More on XBOX 360. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I'm the original poster.

      MS sells lots of XBOXs because they can be mod'd

      They tell game makers "We sold X units."

      Game makers make more games based on that

      MS says "We have Y games for XBOX 360!"

      People buy more XBOX 360s.

      Mod chips can easily be turned off for XBOX Live play.

      Microsoft has all the various mod chips in their R&D lab. They know how they work and they're leaving loopholes for the mod chip makers in the future product. They don't care if the game companies have 30% of their games pirated, they want to move XBOX 360s

    4. Re:More on XBOX 360. by mufafa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How does that make sense?

      If the xbox is easy to mod.. then more ppl pirate games.

      More games pirated doesn't equate to more sales.

      In fact if anything, ppl being able to pirate and play games easily, means that less of the original games would be sold.
      Unless you mean the very original person who pirated the game had to buy it at some point, but I doubt that would increase sales much - everyone else down the line would just copy/download the game and burn it.

    5. Re:More on XBOX 360. by Psychic+Burrito · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Quote:
      I'm not breaking an NDA here as I'm not actually on the dev team.

      Well, but MS still hates you: modded xboxes will presumably also play warez games, so the game design houses now won't be convinced that easily that the plattform already has a hole in it...

    6. Re:More on XBOX 360. by Vaevictis666 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Actually, the fact that XBox360 has networked music/video playback stock intrigues me quite a lot.

      The main reason I modded my xbox was just for that reason, and I think I'm accurate in saying that my xbox has spent more than 20 times as much time running XBMC (for streaming video from my PC for the most part) than it has spent running games.

      If this is built in to the 360, then that cuts out a big reason for many people to mod it, which to me seems like good business sense. I'm just curious how comparable the two are.

    7. Re:More on XBOX 360. by MankyD · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But more units sold does make a more attractive market to game publishers, since the number of units sold does not indicate the number of units modded. Mind you also that a lot of XBox games will be designed for Live, which may or may not work on modded boxes (probably won't.) Thus to play them, people will still have to buy the game and use it on an umodded box.

      At the same time, I'm not sure I believe the grandparent poster...

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    8. Re:More on XBOX 360. by Julian352 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That sounds VERY iffy for the reason that if the word gets out that Xbox 360 is easily modded, publishers will try to release games first on other consoles to get more sales and then port them to X360. The pirating of games is the biggest problem for the makers, as it costs them direct sales. The big benefit of console market is the fact that it's so much harder to pirate.

    9. Re:More on XBOX 360. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm the original poster (again!)

      Look. Microsoft doesn't make lots of money on the game titles themselves (other than those developed in house). They're trying to go to a subscription based model ala XBOX Live. THAT is where the money is. They don't care about piracy on the retail side of things, that's not going to put a publisher out of business but it will entice people to buy XBOX 360s.

      The security put into place is just to appease most publishers that "Yes, we have a way of digitally signing games."

    10. Re:More on XBOX 360. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      How does this attitude jive with making a lower barrier to XBox Live?

      "jibe," not "jive."

    11. Re:More on XBOX 360. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd actually be pretty leary of some kinds of xbox mods, particularly modchipping. Just because of the strong possibility of draconian hardware revokation. There's nothing really standing in Microsofts way from starting out in the Wildwest to quickly build a critical mass, and then just deciding to go to the gulag once they've achieved it.

    12. Re:More on XBOX 360. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are partly correct there, XBox Live itself mitigates piracy for the pure purpose of copying games. The more attractive xbox live titles there are the more people willing to legitimately purchase the games and product.

      However leaving the ability to mod the XBox for other homebrew purposes provides a secondary more niche market where you will see people owning both a modded and a non modded device. Along with their beloved XBox Live subscription. Can we say reoccuring revenue.

    13. Re:More on XBOX 360. by theclam159 · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't that be bad for MS? After all, they lose money on the console, which they have to make up on the games. If people are just buying the consoles to mod, then they'll have a net loss.

      This strategy implies that they're going for a monopoly, rather than profit.

    14. Re:More on XBOX 360. by Rorschach1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, the 'install modchip here' silkscreen on the motherboard was a dead giveaway.

    15. Re:More on XBOX 360. by mufafa · · Score: 1

      Cool .. that makes sense. I misread his original post as more games pirated leads to more game units sold (as opposed to system units). I wonder if xbox will have anything over the PS3 still though

    16. Re:More on XBOX 360. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it a coincidence that MS employees could be so retarded to think this is a viable strategy?

      You do understand that game developers heavily consider the amount of piracy that occurs on a console when deciding what to develop for.

    17. Re:More on XBOX 360. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Give it a rest astroturfer.

      Easily modded!!!! OMFG!!!! I got get me one of them newfangled xboxen!!!

      After last night's fiasco it's going to take a hell of a lot more than marketing folk posting anonymously on Slashdot to save the xbox 360.

    18. Re:More on XBOX 360. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the XBOX360 is like the Phantom? Subscription and all that...?

    19. Re:More on XBOX 360. by nxtw · · Score: 1

      Well, as it stands now -- the easiest solution is to simply buy two Xboxes, which means more sales.
      At any rate, some modchips have a Live-compatible mode where they act invisible. There are also case extended mods where you can have two hard drives. Assuming the Xbox360 has a removable hard drive, this won't be an issue.

    20. Re:More on XBOX 360. by schtum · · Score: 1

      This strategy implies that they're going for a monopoly, rather than profit.

      I'm not saying I believe what the AC is saying, but the way you put it, it matches Microsoft's strategy in every market they've ever entered, doesn't it?

      Of course it's irrelevant, because all three major consoles will be cracked eventually, and sooner rather than later. If anything (assuming there's any truth to this at all), Microsoft's strategy in getting the 360 out before the competition is to give the crackers a head start.

    21. Re:More on XBOX 360. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mind you also that a lot of XBox games will be designed for Live, which may or may not work on modded boxes (probably won't.) Thus to play them, people will still have to buy the game and use it on an umodded box.

      Good point. In addition, Gold level xbox live to play against friends brings in $50 per month per user. That alone could be the aim and allowing modded games to still work online would still require pay to access the service.

    22. Re:More on XBOX 360. by Tim+C · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm not breaking an NDA here as I'm not actually on the dev team.

      No, but you are a Microsoft employee, so you probably *are* breaking a general (perhaps even implied) NDA. Company employees generally are *not* at liberty to discuss unannounced stuff publicly, whether they're directly involved or not.

      For example, I can't tell you about a number of projects being developed by my company, and I'm not involved with any of them, either. (Not that you'd care about them, of course)

    23. Re:More on XBOX 360. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really--some people will believe anything! If it's on the internet it must be true!

    24. Re:More on XBOX 360. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      When an xbox gets turned into a linux box , its not running xbox games again. That was one of the big points about running linux on them , that when you went to games houses and told them that you had sold X units, that the number X wasn't the real number , because of the machines that would never run an xbox game again. Games houses would get stung , realise that they were fed the wrong info , and not make xbox games again.

      And now , it turns out that intead of just feeding a wrong number (that you could never really determine to be wrong) to the games houses , that M$ is _deliberately_ setting things up so that they can feed a number Y of xbox360 units that are available to play xbox games to games houses, that they _know_ is wrong.

      M$ is putting themselves in a deeper hole than I thought they would.

    25. Re:More on XBOX 360. by oGMo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Congrats, you broke my bullshit detector.

      First, if you work for someplace with an NDA, it covers any nondisclosure information unless they're totally incompetant... so even if you overheard someone while getting coffee, you're probably still breaking NDA. In fact, you could be breaking NDA even if it's not true.

      Second, the revenue stream for a console is its games. Weak or no copy protection scares developers. The Xbox 360 will probably be sold at a huge loss, so there's no profit from just selling consoles. Is mindshare worth that much?

      Third, even if you're telling the truth on both counts, I wouldn't be bragging about this. It makes the 360 reek even more of Dreamcast: out early, no protection, big hype... big flop.

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    26. Re:More on XBOX 360. by krunk4ever · · Score: 1

      Honestly, I don't think easy mod ability has much to do with game sales. In fact if you take a look at PSX (probably one of the 1st systems to ever get modded big time) outsold both the Sega Saturn and Nintendo 64 in both games and units.

      However, then we have the Sega Dreamcast case where only a bootdisc was required (modding wasn't even required) and they failed horribly. They had tons of good games, but I believe their marketing strategy went kaput and they finally gave up on the hardware business. Maybe someone can fill in the real case here.

      Honestly, how many people do you know owns a system, but doesn't own any real games. People purchase games like people purchase dvds. It's a collectors thing + it feels good to own the real thing.

      Let's assume only 30% of the games out there are purchased for a particular system. If my unit sales is over 4x the next competing brand, this system will be a very desirable candidate to program for, cause not only will they be able to make more money, more people will actually play the game and spread the word (assuming the game is worth spreading the word for).

    27. Re:More on XBOX 360. by jsrlepage · · Score: 0

      questions that come to mind :

      -Will it play ogg/flac/aac/monkey?
      -Will it show ogm/divx/xvid/matroska?
      -Will it display png/svg/mng/psd?

      Right. a real Xbox media center out of the box?
      gimme a frickin' break.

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    28. Re:More on XBOX 360. by Gleenie · · Score: 3, Funny

      I've so much always wanted to say this:

      > I work at Microsoft as do several of my friends...

      Oh, I'm terribly sorry!

      Simon

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    29. Re:More on XBOX 360. by snuf23 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Then why do they currently actively ban modded Xboxs from accessing Live? Why have they changed the way they detect modded Xboxs on Live to get around newer mod chips that allow locking the hard drive?
      The obvious statement about banning comes from the fact that modded Xboxs can run hacks which can lead to cheating. However the PC suffers from this problem anyway and the PC game companies provide things such as Punkbuster to block out cheaters.
      I'd love to believe what you are saying and I'd love to see homebrew development on Xbox 360 - but it doesn't seem to jive with the current Xbox mod situation.

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    30. Re:More on XBOX 360. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NDAs only work if you are a party to them.

      He said he got it from *friends* who worked there, if he said that he also worked there, I missed it. If he doesn't work there, I dunno wth he'd be doing as a party to an NDA with them, but *shrug* IANAL.

      Still, there IS one other caveat. California made this crazy law covering trade secrets, where if you "should've" known it was a trade secret (and I'm playing fast & loose with the law here), you still can't publicise it, or you commit a crime. Internet jurisdiction being what it is--that is, the way things are going, ANY court with jurisdiction over anyplace your message on the Internet can be read can claim jurisdiction over you & try you by their laws, even in abstentia. In other words, some idjit with a lawyer can try to hold you accountable under ANY damn law in ANY jurisdiction, because pretty much everywhere relevant is connected to the internet in some capacity just now.

      Like that American citizen with an American publication on an American computer who allegedly libeled another American and got sued--under UK libel law. Again, IANAL, but this case was up on SecurityFocus. If you get in a situation like this, get a good lawyer.

      This jurisdiction crap is screwy when mixed with the internet.

    31. Re:More on XBOX 360. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ::jaw dropped:: Microsoft loses money to get a monopoly. ::shocked::
      Are you sure that will work?? Yeah, right. Next thing you know, they will figure out how to abuse their existing monopoly to create a new one.

    32. Re:More on XBOX 360. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if you believe that, I have some waterfront property in Kansas to sell you.

    33. Re:More on XBOX 360. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quote: I'm not breaking an NDA here as I'm not actually on the dev team.

      As I understand NDA's, when you sign one it is a blanket contract that covers EVERYTHING that the corporation is working on, software or hardware, whether you're are on the dev team or not. I'm still in college, so I've never signed one-I might be wrong.

    34. Re:More on XBOX 360. by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 1
      I'm not breaking an NDA here as I'm not actually on the dev team

      Man, you're an idiot. NDA generally applies to contractors, not employees. As an employee, your rights are limited by all that shit you signed without reading when you were hired. I have a feeling it didn't limit your responsibility of secrecy to only things you work on; I'm pretty sure it covers stuff your coworkers tell you over beer. Even if you signed nothing - and working for MS, that ain't the case - you'd be covered by trade secret laws that explicitly forbid your doing what you did.

      I'm glad you had the sense to post AC, but don't assume that gives you secure anonymity.

    35. Re:More on XBOX 360. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Word.

    36. Re:More on XBOX 360. by grub · · Score: 2, Informative


      Man, you're an idiot. NDA generally applies to contractors, not employees.

      I've signed several NDAs as an employee which are still binding. No more or less as I've signed as a contractor/consultant.

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    37. Re:More on XBOX 360. by oGMo · · Score: 1
      if he said that he also worked there, I missed it.
      First four words of original post:
      I work at Microsoft
      Never overlook the obvious. ;-)
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    38. Re:More on XBOX 360. by Glytch · · Score: 1

      I agree with your points, but I'd like to point out the fact that the Dreamcast died mostly because the PS2 was coming "real soon now" and people were saving their cash for that.

    39. Re:More on XBOX 360. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The trick is making pirating relatively easy but difficult and dark enough that Joe Average won't have the balls to try it. I also think that a healthy pirating scene helps build market share because it gets the hardcore community into it and recommending it to their less tech savy friends, and really how many people do you know that have moded consoles and no legit software? I think that pretty much everyone that buys a console and mods it also buy at least a few legit games. Obviously I haven't done any studies on it but from experience I suspect that there is a strong correlation. I also think that the reason xbox didn't make a bigger splash is because Microsoft had difficulty overcoming it's giant evil reputation, and the gigantic big bad black xbox didn't help that image much.

    40. Re:More on XBOX 360. by oGMo · · Score: 1

      Not having any games didn't help either. :-p

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    41. Re:More on XBOX 360. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not breaking an NDA here as I'm not actually on the dev team.

      So, you honestly don't believe that your employment contract prohibits you from disclosing confidential information, so long as you aren't on the particular development team in question? Granted, you haven't actually shared any information worth a crap, whether you were on the development team or not, but your lack of critical thinking regarding disclosure is disturbing.

    42. Re:More on XBOX 360. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a former Microsoft employee, this statement does not surprise me. IMHO, the management team wants to reap the benefits of black market network effects while maximizing revenue from legitimate markets. This allows Microsoft to maximize their control over users in the legiimate channels while still benefiting from the illegal yet viral behavior of the underground market.

    43. Re:More on XBOX 360. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He said he got it from *friends* who worked there, if he said that he also worked there, I missed it.

      If only there were some technology that would make it possible for you to look at his post a second time... You know, where he says it in the first four words. Jesus, but you are a lazy retard.

    44. Re:More on XBOX 360. by BillyBlaze · · Score: 2, Insightful
      • Modchips currently exist for all major gaming platforms.
      • Games on those platforms still make money.
      Discuss.
    45. Re:More on XBOX 360. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMG its viriii RUN!!!!!!!!!11111111111

    46. Re:More on XBOX 360. by damsa · · Score: 1

      No, because he did not sign an NDA regarding the Xbox2 development. Unless he signed one that stated he will never talk about MS products ever. But knowing a few MS employees, I wouldn't be suprised if they did slip in a back door for modding. Like the original Mac team tried to put in an expansion slot. But I would be suprised if this was company policy.

    47. Re:More on XBOX 360. by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      "Worv" not "Word".

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    48. Re:More on XBOX 360. by hab136 · · Score: 1
      Then why do they currently actively ban modded Xboxs from accessing Live?

      Many organizations are strict with a few offenders to show that they are doing something, but in general allow the practice because it benefits them. Larger penetration of Windows and Office helps Microsoft, because "everybody runs it", even if a fair amount of them are pirated. They still bust pirates on a regular basis.

      Likewise, selling x amount more consoles because people are hacking them up for other purposes will not only help them sell more consoles, but help them convince game makers to produce Xbox games. They'll still go after modders.

    49. Re:More on XBOX 360. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I work at Microsoft as do several of my friends.

      Yeah, and I work for Microsoft too. I have to give my manager a blow job every month to avoid being laid off.

    50. Re:More on XBOX 360. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah.

      And P2P costs the RIAA direct sales.

    51. Re:More on XBOX 360. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Word.

      Word to your mother.
      PowerPoint to your father!

  4. G.W.A. by Admiral+Justin · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Too bad google's product is so poor, otherwise ... no... wait...

    Poor product... will render AOL meaningless...

    Google On Line?

    *runs for the hills*

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  5. The Mysterious Future by Scoria · · Score: 3, Insightful

    will put MS into direct competition with its hardware OEM customers.

    And, once Microsoft begins to gradually dominate that market, their positions might become similar to that of a Wal-Mart supplier. Their business models will change as they begin to provide manufacturing services for Microsoft.

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    1. Re:The Mysterious Future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Microsoft won't be in competition with the OEMs until they port Office to the XBox 360. Same goes for all the other existing x86 software and backwards compatability. Until then that is all just fluff to make the XBox look better than the competition (Playstation). Besides, they said all the same things about the XBox last time as well. Every time a new gaming console comes out we have to hear about how it brings the power of ten thousand supercomputers into your living room.

      Michael

  6. Another "Web Accelerator?" by bryan1945 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Can we please stop this crap cliche phrasing?! I know it works for the computer-not-so-literate, but stop this "We will blow your mind for $2.50" and just advertise real-life broadband connections.

    But I guess I am just a fool.

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    1. Re:Another "Web Accelerator?" by ergo98 · · Score: 1

      Can we please stop this crap cliche phrasing?! I know it works for the computer-not-so-literate, but stop this "We will blow your mind for $2.50" and just advertise real-life broadband connections.

      He's talking about the Google Web Accelerator. It costs nothing, and is actually geared to users that already have a high speed connection. I have a smoking 5Mbps connection, and personally I find GWA pretty effective with a lot of sites.

    2. Re:Another "Web Accelerator?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google Web Accelerator appears to be a proxy that compresses web pages and images more aggressively than they might otherwise. It's not a broadband connection.

      I suspect that this is easy for them to do because they are already caching everything they hit on the web and they already have tons of boxes and bandwidth. Besides, consider the value of knowing what everyone is looking at if you're a search company. People using their service would provide google with invaluable 'spidering/popularity' information even if the service remained free forever.

  7. Re:3.2 GHz PowerPC Xbox? Has APPLE heard of that? by Thijs+van+As · · Score: 1

    ...so you compare a Xbox360 directly to an Apple computer? Sure, they have the PowerPC CPU in common...

  8. If wishes were horses... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    'If surfing can be doubled in speed for nothing, of course nearly everyone will go for it',

    And if Google gave away free money, of course nearly everyone will go for it. But Google aren't giving away free money, and they have no hope of simply doubling the speed of surfing just with software.

    the upshot of which is that AOL, MSN and Earthlink lose their relevancy.

    Or they could... what's that word? Oh yeah, compete.

    1. Re:If wishes were horses... by ergo98 · · Score: 1
      But Google aren't giving away free money, and they have no hope of simply doubling the speed of surfing just with software.

      Two things:
      1. Most sites are too lazy, or dumb, to enable gzip compression. GWA compresses such content, which reduces the size up to 75%.
      2. Precaching - grabbing the next article in the web review for instance - can vastly speed up web navigation. Most users aren't endlessly clicking from link to link to link. Instead they follow a link, read some material, click next, and historically sit there, going flaccid, while waiting. Prefetching means that when you click next, the page is instantly available.
      Even excluding mega-caching for sites on crappy servers (which can act as an anti-slashdotting), these two things alone can dramatically speed the user's experience. The Google Web Accelerator as it is today is imperfect, but it most certainly is a workable idea.
    2. Re:If wishes were horses... by Locke2005 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      GWA compresses such content, which reduces the size up to 75% It compresses text and HTML by up to 75%. Unfortunately, MP3, GIF, MPEG, and JPEG are already compressed, so it can't compress them at all! Since HTML is already usually pretty small compared to audio and video, I don't really see how GWA helps much, unless you only surf to text-only sites! Yes, prefetching should help -- especially if your latency is large.

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    3. Re:If wishes were horses... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they follow a link, read some material, click next, and historically sit there, going flaccid, while waiting. Well, now we know what you usually use your internet connection for, don't we? ;-)

    4. Re:If wishes were horses... by ergo98 · · Score: 1

      It compresses text and HTML by up to 75%. Unfortunately, MP3, GIF, MPEG, and JPEG are already compressed, so it can't compress them at all!

      Right, but you generally start "consuming" the content once the base HTML arrives - the rest fills in while you're reading. I don't sit waiting until the activity monitor stops before I start reading. This isn't going to help something like Flikr, but if I'm reading a large review it certainly will. My comments about speed aren't from a "gross throughput" perspective, they're from a usability of an average user perspective.

  9. As Seen On TV is in trouble.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ASOTV, it's been a good ride, but all good things must come to an end. Cringley used you as his source of insider info in this article. This would normally mean that you are in trouble, but you have been so blithe about revealing company strategy (and philosophy, and personal opinion of SJ, etc) that you are clearly not worried about job security. I wonder why? Who at Apple is not worried about job security? I do not think you are Steve Jobs. In any case, some big eyes are now turned in your direction, and you should probably be more tight-lipped. But thanks for some great posts!

    1. Re:As Seen On TV is in trouble.... by As+Seen+On+TV · · Score: 4, Funny

      In fact, Bob and I exchanged e-mails briefly just a few hours ago. I was happy to confirm for him that I am, in fact, male.

      He said he was too.

      So we have that in common.

    2. Re:As Seen On TV is in trouble.... by SYFer · · Score: 1

      I've certainly enjoyed reading his posts too and thought of him today when I read this great post over in that thread about how dissidents can cover their tracks (not that ASOT is a dissident, per se). He can use his iPod Shuffle as the USB drive (I certainly do). Just avoid the dreaded elevator, ASOT!

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    3. Re:As Seen On TV is in trouble.... by Hawthorne01 · · Score: 5, Funny

      So now we have a Slashdot article about a tech writer who referenced a Slashdot post who wrote to the writer and mentioned it in the comments in the comments of the Slashdot article about a tech writer who referenced a Slashdot poster who...

      --CTRL - BREAK --

      Phew. Got out of that one... :-)

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    4. Re:As Seen On TV is in trouble.... by Chucker23N · · Score: 1

      Woz, is that you?

    5. Re:As Seen On TV is in trouble.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Next thing you know, the whole thing will appear in Roland Piqupaille's blog and it will (of course) appear on Slashdot again.

    6. Re:As Seen On TV is in trouble.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So I guess that means you arn't Danika Cleary.

    7. Re:As Seen On TV is in trouble.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Woz is, sadly, not an insider.

    8. Re:As Seen On TV is in trouble.... by mister_slim · · Score: 1

      Why would he be in trouble? My assumption has been that ASOTV is a PR person with slashdot as his responsibility. He's not going to spill anything too momentous but he keeps misinformation and misinterpretation from spiraling out of control. Slashdot is a major media outlet that needs to be massaged occasionally. Might as well do it subtly.

    9. Re:As Seen On TV is in trouble.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Impossible. His posts are too detailed, too technical, too arrogant -- in short, too direct -- to be the product of marketers or a PR team.

    10. Re:As Seen On TV is in trouble.... by mister_slim · · Score: 1

      You are confusing marketing and PR.

    11. Re:As Seen On TV is in trouble.... by BeerCat · · Score: 1

      I'd just thought of that one too.

      Apple's rumour-monger has an identity (ASOTV); Microsoft's one posts AC. Maybe coincidence, but ASOTV appeared just after the fuss over stuff leaked to thinksecret had been resolved, so he could have the job title of "Official 'unofficial and off-the-record' spokesman". After all, Apple used to have "Evangelists" (maybe they still do).

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    12. Re:As Seen On TV is in trouble.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ASOTV is a pompous windbag and Cringley is a sorry has-been. Choose your heroes wisely.

    13. Re:As Seen On TV is in trouble.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Has anyone brought up the possibilty of this guy being a recently let go Apple employee?

      http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=924

      and

      http://news.com.com/Former+exec+sues+Apple+over+di smissal/2100-7341_3-5594797.html?tag=nefd.top

    14. Re:As Seen On TV is in trouble.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, whoever he is, he sure loves to keep us guessing. If he's not worried about getting fired, he should just come out and tell us. It will establish credibility.

      Maybe he's chargin over the fact that no-one has flat out asked him. So, ASOTV, who are you?

  10. Re:3.2 GHz PowerPC Xbox? Has APPLE heard of that? by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Insightful

    " I would say this is really just MORE proof that Apple has been ripping people off for years by putting out underpowered computers to save a few bucks and then jacking up the price."

    Erm. Couple of things:

    1.) Microsoft is almost definitely losing money on these units. That would be a dumb business move for Apple.

    2.) It's not clear, today, whether or not those processors could do the general computing jobs they'd need to on desktop machines. I'm going to be honest, I don't know much about this. I just remember reading in another thread about how the XBOX 360 processors likely have several things trimmed out of them. (Note: If anybody can correct me, it'd be mucho appreciated.)

    I'm not a huge fan of Apple's prices, but I really don't think you can draw those conclusions based on the data you have.

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  11. Micro-Mart? by ArielMT · · Score: 1

    We all know that their software is already commensurate with Wal-Mart's quality, but I dread the day when their hardware is as well.

    "Welcome to Micro-Mart, the only computer and gaming store you need."

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  12. Re:3.2 GHz PowerPC Xbox? Has APPLE heard of that? by UWC · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yeah, and we all know that, just like the XBox 360, Apple's profit strategy also relies pretty much entirely on licensed software sales, 20 million identical units, decreased mass production costs over a 5-year product cycle, and... oh, wait.

  13. Damn you Robert X. Cringely!!! by Mr.+Flibble · · Score: 3, Funny

    I swear, each time he comes out with a new article about a given toy that does "XYZ" or can be hacked in some way I am compelled to go out and buy one and tinker with the damn thing.

    Stop Robert! Stop for the sake of my pocketbook and my sanity!!!

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  14. you are correct by geekoid · · Score: 0, Redundant

    XBOX != PC
    XBOX == Crappy PC.

    got your goat.

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    1. Re:you are correct by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "XBOX == Crappy PC."

      Yep, just like my PS2, GameCube, N64, and Dreamcast are also crappy PCs.

      "got your goat."

      Sort of. I don't have any real affection for the XBOX, I just can't believe how many computer-intelligent people don't know the difference between a game console and a PC is. A PC isn't a PC because it runs an X86 processor. It's a PC because it has certain pieces of hardware AND it runs general purpose apps. The XBOX sort of qualifies for the former (the processor inside it may be Pentium based, but it still has some subtle differences. Not to mention it has a BIOS that PREVENTS it from running 'unauthorized' software.) but definitely does NOT qualify for the latter. To put it another way: ever see one of those trailers that's just the ass end of a truck? Is that a trailer or a truck? It shares some of the components of a trunk, but it's PURPOSE is to be a trailer.

      So yeah, it gets my goat. If we're all going to make generalizations based on superficial observations then we're going to have a real hard time making intelligent comments about news articles involving technology.

      Ugh I'm grammatically challenged today.

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    2. Re:you are correct by mankey+wanker · · Score: 1

      I think the part that Cringely wanted to get at was the part where the proposed XBOX does most of the things most people would want from a computer. The problem will most likely be security, the more the XBOX behaves like a PC the more it will have to be protected as one as well - and that's where the fact that it doesn't run general purpose apps bites everyone in the ass.

      I still think a proper desktop PC is better than any possible "appliance" type PC, or even a laptop for that matter.

    3. Re:you are correct by damsa · · Score: 1

      The only difference between a console and a PC is the software. The only reason the Xbox is hemoromaging money, it is the replacement for a PC. Even Steve Jobs said the iMac is but a Entertainment Hub. Xbox as a games console is so you get used to having MS in the living room. Once you install Linux on something. Its a PC.

    4. Re:you are correct by geekoid · · Score: 1

      got your goat, again.


      Ugh I'm grammatically challenged today.


      also, your humor could use some work.

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    5. Re:you are correct by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "also, your humor could use some work."

      Heh. Yep. Nobody liked my academic literature joke.

      Ever wake up and spend most of the day with a cloudy mind and your eyes trying to close? (No, not a hangover. NFI what I did wrong.)

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    6. Re:you are correct by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      An Apple bit your ass?

      As for an X-Box replacing a pc, all most faculty at my college use their machines for is word processing (and some spreadsheet), surfing the web, email and sorting porn. There's 10%-15% who also use some specific apps to their discipline but they're usually in the natural sciences building and that place smells funny.

      I wouldn't be surprised if 75% of computer users were similarly limited in their use. So, MS sells boxes to 75% of the market and leaves 25% for the rest of the pc manufacturers to fight over. It's a plan! But I'm fired, because I projected 75%. Shoulda' said 95%. That's how you get ahead at MS.

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  15. no no no by geekoid · · Score: 1

    the computer landscape is changing. get with the program.

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    1. Re:no no no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why so much talk about Google Web Accelerator to reduce client side latency, to eliminate slashdot-effect, and to reduce network bandwidth, when Akamai is already there in this business for quite some time, and does exactly the same things and has the same vision?

    2. Re:no no no by dynamo · · Score: 1

      Hmm, how about because with Akamai, the content that is accelerated is only that of authors willing to pay to have their stuff distributed.

  16. Re:3.2 GHz PowerPC Xbox? Has APPLE heard of that? by RatPh!nk · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just remember there are many PowerPC processors and cores that IBM makes. This is a "custom" fabbed chip for Microsoft with a (3) VMX unit(s) attached. This is not a Power4, Power5, or 970/FX/GX or like chips. Also, has pricing for XBox live has not been announced, but $300USD seems right.


    But it sure would be nice to have >3GHz G5's or dual cores....or dual/dual...or ...

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  17. Kick the dog or kick the bucket? by mattjb0010 · · Score: 1

    He only got one thing wrong.. it's not "Microsoft kicks the dog", it's "Microsoft kicks the bucket" (or am I guilty of wishful thinking?)

    1. Re:Kick the dog or kick the bucket? by madprof · · Score: 2

      I thought about this too and I really think he meant "kick the dog".
      It is a really funny ending to the piece though.
      It is intended to sum up rather pointless, reaction-getting behaviour. I think.

    2. Re:Kick the dog or kick the bucket? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Actually, I think he was trying to use a slightly less crude phrasing for "fucking the dog." (i.e. slacking off, not doing your job.)

    3. Re:Kick the dog or kick the bucket? by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 1

      You are guilty as charged.

      Kick the dog... meaning Microsoft didn't do anything this week, while three of its competitors made news in different ways. Out of frustration, Microsoft kicked the dog.

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    4. Re:Kick the dog or kick the bucket? by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      Well, MSFT's CEO did announce he's retiring in 2012 today.

      Guess that's when it will go under.

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    5. Re:Kick the dog or kick the bucket? by justforaday · · Score: 1

      ...meaning Microsoft didn't do anything this week

      Yeah, I guess that half hour infomercial on eMpTyVee doesn't count as anything...

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    6. Re:Kick the dog or kick the bucket? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Yeah, I guess that half hour infomercial on eMpTyVee doesn't count as anything..."

      From the ridicule MS is getting I think it is safe to say they wish they hadn't...

    7. Re:Kick the dog or kick the bucket? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, don't think so. A bully who is frustrated in his attempts to get what he wants will go home and take his aggression out on defenseless victims, like the family dog. He could also have writen somthing like "Microsoft bangs its head on the desk."

    8. Re:Kick the dog or kick the bucket? by westlake · · Score: 1
      Kick the dog... meaning Microsoft didn't do anything this week, while three of its competitors made news in different ways. Out of frustration, Microsoft kicked the dog

      This week, Philips signed an agreement with Microsoft that will integrate Windows Media and DRM at the chip level into all its consumer products. Microsoft, Philips team up for multi media software

    9. Re:Kick the dog or kick the bucket? by pintomp3 · · Score: 1

      dell to microsoft Why you kick my dog? Hello, can I ask who's speaking please? You know damn right! It's Micheal. It's Micheal.

  18. Speaking as an OEM by scronline · · Score: 3, Interesting

    People buy from us because they DON'T want to have to deal with companies like Dell, HP, Compaq and the like. They also have a love hate relationship with Microsoft. They hate the company, but they also love having a computer. They already know the shoddy software microsoft puts out.

    Personally, this just reinforces my opinions of late of the complete end of sales with Microsoft products. If a "partner" decides to go into direct competition, then they cease to be a valid partner. Linux is gaining mindshare and market share. Windows has become the product every wants to get rid of but is afraid they can't.

    Hence forth a new business model for any OEM is to offer Linux training and products. Free of charge or very low cost. Let's show MS that they can't piss on the army of people who help put them where they are by even supporting their crap. If it wasn't for places like mine all over the US, how would MS get their stuff repaired? You know full well they won't work with someone over the phone to resolve issues. That will just take more value away from their products. And of course the huge OEMs answer is always "use the restore CD" and fail to mention that data will be lost.

    1. Re:Speaking as an OEM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. You first.
      2. I'll see you at the bankruptcy auction.

  19. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "xBox 360 will perform many functions that currently require a home computer. Not only will xBox 360 play video games, it will play music and movies, surf the web and probably even offer a non-PC platform for voice-over-IP."

    So what? Apart from the last point, I have been doing all that on my XBox 1 for about 2 years now. And it's not locked down by M$

  20. Xbox and Google's accelerator by Xeroc · · Score: 1

    The new Xbox definitely looks awesome, and I am sure that it will greatly increase Microsoft's competitiveness in that field.

    Yes, google's Web accelerator surely will decrease the bonus to Earthlink, MSN, and AOL - but as reported before - it still has it's problems. I'm hopeful they'll fix any problems and get it more widespread attention!

    In theory, by caching web sites on their servers, it could also alleviate the slashdot effect! (If we all used it)

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  21. Cringely, the misguided moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On top of GWA having MASSIVE security/privacy issues.. .. Mr. Cringely has been "slapped".. for the Register reports the end (for good?) of GWA downloads..

    and no, it's not because they have reached their control limit for beta testing.. before you assholes rip me an asshole for not pointing that out..

    Regards..

  22. Re:3.2 GHz PowerPC Xbox? Has APPLE heard of that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Actually they have more in common than that. Xbox 360 software currently runs on Power Mac G5s.

  23. Re:3.2 GHz PowerPC Xbox? Has APPLE heard of that? by ponos · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I just remember reading in another thread about how the XBOX 360 processors likely have several things trimmed out of them. (Note: If anybody can correct me, it'd be mucho appreciated.)

    Well, it is already clear that they are NOT PowerPC cores. The hardware specifications state that they are BASED on PowerPC, so you can't assume identical clock-for-clock performance. Most likely the hardware in the XBOX360 will be much more powerful than anything below high-end Macs (that will be 2x2.7 at that time, if I'm correct) Somehow it doesn't really matter, because Apple buyers generally aren't going to care if their computer takes 5" more to convert an MP3. Playing games is another area (not a strong Apple point, traditionally)

    Also, do note that this thing has the cooling capacity to match: vacuum sealed water cooling (not sure of the exact details, though).

    P.

  24. The finger by Roadkills-R-Us · · Score: 1

    ``What message does this send to Microsoft's hardware OEM customers that make home computers? What is Microsoft saying to Dell, HP, Gateway, and others?''

    The same thing they've been saying to the rest of us for years. It rhymes with "duck foo".

    MS has always done this in the software space. They work with other vendors to do the stuff they don't, woo them, make all sorts of promises, then one day announce their own version and let those vendors try to survive on eating their product they can't sell. Just ask WordPerfect, Lotus, or the folk making TCP/IP stacks for DOS and Windows in the early to mid 1990s.

    Why would it be any different in hardware?

    1. Re:The finger by MrAnnoyanceToYou · · Score: 1

      Heh. Occasionally they buy this vendor instead. If it's back-office enough, and far enough ahead of them, they'll just buy a middle-of-breed and try and improve it for primetime.

  25. Nothing to see here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    This guy is talking nonsense, even if you don't include the "turning point" BS.
    If you haven't read the article he suggests that Microsoft is trying to enter the Personal Computer buesiness. Obviously, this guy doesn't get it.
    Although it might not last for long, there is still a distinction between the PC market and the console market. Microsoft probably wants in the long run that consoles will become PCs (That would explain the XBOX's HD). Ofcourse as soon as those consoles become PCs they will be running Windows, and that's Microsoft's reason for getting to the console market. If they just let other company's (i.e Sony) lead the console market, Microsof's vision of Windows-running consoles might not happen.
    Microsoft does not want to compete in PC manufacturing, a market it has no experience and no leverage in, just for the heck of it, especialy when they have zero chance of dominating it.

    1. Re:Nothing to see here by VGR · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Indeed.

      One of the more prized members of my collection is a CompuMate. It's a keyboard that plugs into an Atari 2600, making the machine into a computer with a usable BASIC.

      For over 20 years, every damn console has tried to say, "Look, it's also a computer!" And every single time, it's an utter flop. No one will use a console to do what a computer does, because the console invariably is a substandard personal computer.

      Seriously, how many times have we seen this? The CompuMate, the Intellivision Computer Adaptor, the Coleco Adam, the FamiCom, the Sega Channel ... in fact, I just saw a Dreamcast Web Browser CD in a flea market the other day. Anyone ever use that?

      No gaming console will ever threaten personal computers in any area except gaming (and even that's arguable). I don't know that I've ever seen a single business lesson which has been so forcibly resisted by one generation of companies after another.

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    2. Re:Nothing to see here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think that might start changing as consoles start supporting HD, as XBox360 does. I can't bear to look at email etc. on my 27" Trinitron, but a 45 inch Sharp Aquos at 1920x1080 might be a different story.

    3. Re:Nothing to see here by random+coward · · Score: 1

      True but the Apple II and the C64 were using tv's as monitors when these other consoles failed as well. It wasn't the resolution.

    4. Re:Nothing to see here by kafka47 · · Score: 1

      Excellent point, and well said. The console does the console thing well. How could it pretend to be a PC?

      Do you actually think MS cares about gaming? Microsoft wants the XBox (and whatever comes later) to have a mouse and keyboard and an internet connection. Because when that happens, they can force you to pay a subscription fee for Office. :-)

      What happens when the PC isn't double that of a console anymore? What happens when the console is basically the same, and the advances on the PC just don't stay ahead by leaps and bounds? These are my reservations about the Console -> PC discussion.

    5. Re:Nothing to see here by cybpunks3 · · Score: 1

      The computer market is so different today that it's not fair to compare.

      Did people use 8-bit computers to play music and videos? Nope. (It wasn't that long ago that FMV clips on PC games were jerky 15-fps block-fests.) Did they communicate over a high speed global network? Nope. You were lucky if you had a 300 baud modem.

      Today the mainstream computer market uses PCs solely as media players and communications devices. To a lesser extent, they could use utilities like word processors, tax software, and CD/DVD burning software. But that's it. A very short list of things they really need.

      (plus games of course)

      There is no reason a console can't provide this, and yes, with output to HDTV or a "VGA BOX" then it is a clear enough display that you don't risk "Web TV" syndrome.

      There will always be a need for more varied software for some people, but the average person really uses very few programs on a PC.

  26. no no no by lo_fye · · Score: 2, Insightful

    First, using a "web accelerator" will NOT speed up your computer and turn it into a Thin Client. It will make things get to your computer faster, but if you don't have the juice to render it, it's still a no go.

    Second, it is technically impossible for Google to pre-render Flash and pass it on to you. Flash isn't "server-side" -- it's done by your computer, which needs to be fat enough to run it.

    Third, Yahoo's music service is priced well, but they're still misleading. They say "1 million songs" for $6.99/month, but that's to have them streamed to you, not downloaded. You can only download a handfull of tracks per month. Booo!

    Fourth, why didn't Cringley (or anyone for that matter) ask if/when Google will try to buy Yahoo?

    Lastly, no mention of Flickr? I think Google messed up when they let that puppy slip through their fingers and be purchased by Yahoo. Picasa? Puh-lease-a.

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  27. "Inflection point"? by saforrest · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's an expression made popular in Silicon Valley years ago by Andy Grove of Intel: "inflection point." It's that abrupt elbow in a graph of growth or decline when the new technology or paradigm truly kicks in, and suddenly there is no going back.

    Man, I really wish that Cringely, as a supposed pundit to the geek masses, would not contribute to distorting into sensationalist manager-ese technobabble a phrase that already has a precise mathematical meaning.

    1. Re:"Inflection point"? by cmburns69 · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying is that you don't like what the technology industry has done to a term with a "precise mathematical meaning"?

      You're not talking about the "giga" prefix are you?

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  28. Re:3.2 GHz PowerPC Xbox? Has APPLE heard of that? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Informative
    If a $300 Xbox360 has a triple-core 3.2 GHz PowerPC in it, I would say this is really just MORE proof that Apple has been ripping people off for years by putting out underpowered computers to save a few bucks and then jacking up the price.

    First, it's a multi-core 3.2GHz PowerPC based cell controller not a PowerPC CPU in the classical sense. Sony also has abandoned the CPU design in favor of multi-cell design for PS3. Second, the later something is designed, the newer it's components can be. Third, it's may not be up to Apple. Apple has always been at the mercy of its suppliers. Motorola could not provide enough G4 chips for the PowerMac a few years ago. Hence, they dumped Motorola when they decided to develop the G5. When IBM comes out with a 3GHz PowerPC CPU that Apple can use and Apple doesn't use it, then you might have a point.

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  29. Interesting in theory... by Strudelkugel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    At that point, you'll buy your PC from Google, use Google as your ISP, surf an Internet that is really the Google cache,

    (A) Right about here the DOJ decides to take action...

    be fed ads and sold content from Google servers. Its a GoogleWorld that requires no AOL, no Microsoft, no Intel, no HP or Dell -- only Google, cable companies, telephone companies, users, and of course advertisers and web page producers.

    Doubtful because of (A).

    It's surprising to me that he didn't mention the comment of the week; that from Gates about mobile phone making iPods obsolete. It was an important observation, since it is already happening. My phone serves as an MP3 player already. While it doesn't have the capacity of the iPod (yet), who cares... It has an antenna, has considerably more functionality, and I Always-Have-It-With-Me(TM)

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    Imagine how much harder physics would be if electrons had feelings! -Feynman, maybe
    1. Re:Interesting in theory... by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sure, because (A) already happened to MS and we see how they were crushed.

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    2. Re:Interesting in theory... by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      While it doesn't have the capacity of the iPod (yet), who cares

      I do. I like having 20+ GBs of music with me. I also don't carry a phone. Can't stand the things. So, extrapolating from my one data point (I don't like phones) it's obvious that mobile phones will never take off.

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    3. Re:Interesting in theory... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who wants to listen to MP3s on a cell phone. This notion to me is retarded. But, the PSP is what everyone is not talking about, this device is ultra cool and the quality is world class.

  30. Xbox replacing low end PC market? by theclam159 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The new Xbox has several processors, 512MB RAM, a good graphics card, a hard drive, HD video quality, network connectivity, and is supposedly easily moddable. Eventually someone is going to get Windows or Linux to run on this and run WELL. When that happens, you'll be able to buy a highly capable PC for $300. An interesting side effect of this, is that Microsoft has to sell these things at a loss, in order to remain competitive to Sony and Nintendo. Therefore, this might be bad for their profits.

    1. Re:Xbox replacing low end PC market? by Locke2005 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Since Linux already supports PowerPC, methinks it would be a heck of a lot easier to get Linux to run on an Xbox 360. That and the fact that anybody in the world can hack Linux to run on Xbox, but only a Microsoft employee can hack Windows.

      You can ALREADY buy a capable PC from Dell for $299... what makes you think the Xbox 360 price point will be $300??? Most guesses I've seen are closer to $500. Plus the accessories (e.g. 802.11 adapter) will be more expensive because it is a closed architecture. So while this would make a great Linux box, I don't see it really undercutting PC sales.

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    2. Re:Xbox replacing low end PC market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You wouldn't want an xbox 360 over a system you could buy or build yourself for the same price.

      The days of MS subsidizing hardware died with the first xbox. MS management isn't going to let the home entertainment division blow another four billion dollars again. I'm not sure what MS thinks they are doing with such a underpowered system compared to desktops that will be available for the same price by the end of the year.

    3. Re:Xbox replacing low end PC market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Xbox 360 will not be easily moddable. They thought more this time about how to use encryption to keep folks from running Linux on it.

      It really is just as simple as this: they make money on the games, there is no advantage to selling Xboxen to folks who would not buy games.

    4. Re:Xbox replacing low end PC market? by Sirdar+Bey · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but like there's only a small percentage of "the people" that are going to buy an XBOX360 to run Linux, and most of them are probably already running it on everything from their cell phone to their GBA to their wireless router. If I want a cheap box to run Linux on, I can go to the CompUSA down the street, and for $400 I can get a decently fast AMD, 512M, 60GB HD, built in ATI 3D graphics. Etc. Sure, it won't render 3D as fast as the XBOX, but if I'm going to put Linux on it I probably care less about that anyway. Plus I can plug a faster Video card into it later if I want to, the XBOX is fixed in time. If you want to eke out the maximum performance from the XBOX360, which is what happens on game consoles over time since it's a FIXED platform, it's only going to be a benefit for the other assclowns that modified their XBOX360s. I mean, so much of the "running linux on X device" is just show and tell.

  31. Inflection Point or Week of Fluff by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    I vote for Week of Fluff.

    But then, I never was good at Calculus, and it looks like Cringely isn't either.

    xBox360 - boring, waiting for PS3 or GameCube2.

    Google cache - no real effect if you live on Gigabit Internet like all the colleges and universities do. IN fact, it's SLOWER.

    We'll look back on today and ask "Wow, who would have ever thought the EU nominee for the WTO would have done that!", not "Google and Gates and Gumdrops, oh my!".

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    1. Re:Inflection Point or Week of Fluff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree, the market is absolutely flooded with triple-core internally-water-cooled consoles. And teraflop processing? What am I going to invite Kasparov to come over and play chess against my media center?

      God, I wish SJ would design a console...

  32. These aren't the PowerPCs Apple uses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Apple uses G5s. The XBox PPC cores are PPEs which are much simpler and not terribly appropriate for general computing use

  33. So... by Kirby-meister · · Score: 1, Funny

    So...you could say you sent him a confirmation e-male? *rim shot*

  34. 3 powerpc cores do not a PC make by dmh20002 · · Score: 1

    Seeing as it doesn't have an x86 CPU in it, it won't natively run any Windows x86 PC software. They may implement some lame emulator. So at best it would be a thin client which has some merit as a replacement for a PC, as long as all you want is games, web browsing and email.

    1. Re:3 powerpc cores do not a PC make by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      he said PC, he didn't say Windows Machine.

    2. Re:3 powerpc cores do not a PC make by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      Games, web browsing and e-mail are what the majority of people want to do on their computers.

    3. Re:3 powerpc cores do not a PC make by chromaphobic · · Score: 1

      Seeing as it doesn't have an x86 CPU in it, it won't natively run any Windows x86 PC software. They may implement some lame emulator.

      Thus, their purchase of Virtual PC?

  35. His powers of prognostication astound by mcc · · Score: 4, Funny

    So.

    Cringely is impressed that Google is offering a web accelerator service, something AOL has done for years; that the XBox will play music and video, something the playstations 1 and 2 did, respectively; that Yahoo is unveiling a service almost identical to the Napster service that appeared in the wake of the iTunes Music Store; and that Apple may, at some unspecified point in the future be releasing a product.

    Well, that's all well and good. But I think the really important thing for the tech market is, will Gore or Bush win the election? Because Cringely doesn't weigh in on that at all.

    1. Re:His powers of prognostication astound by fiftyfly · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Cringely is impressed that Google is offering a web accelerator service, something AOL has done for years;
      Well something to think about - AOL grew out of their own network, which sucked but they had full control over, into an interweb gateway (which they still suck at) but google has done it simply as a side effect of having built the required infrastructure they use to do other tasks very very well. With a small effort they've nearly moved into another market and further solidified their status as valuable _required_ infrastructure and not some bolt on crap extra no one wants to pay for.
      that the XBox will play music and video, something the playstations 1 and 2 did, respectively;
      With the very likely possibility that it'll do so better and easier and offer enough generic processing power and apis to function as a general purpose computer. This is less like, say, ford building sports cars and more like ford winning a contract to repave interstates adding, along the way, their own toll booths.
      that Yahoo is unveiling a service almost identical to the Napster service that appeared in the wake of the iTunes Music Store;
      That yahoo can offer services, simlar to a couple of upstarts, at cost prices giving, for the first time, the dominate player a run for their money.
      and that Apple may, at some unspecified point in the future be releasing a product.
      This last one is a stretch but, as you've tried to point out it wouldn't be a Cringly article without such a device. That being said it's his job to editorialize a bit and he's said something that makes a lot of sense. Enough sense to be rather likely and remain exciting at the same time. Tasty.
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  36. Re:3.2 GHz PowerPC Xbox? Has APPLE heard of that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Well, thanks for that pointless reply.

    The xbox 360 processor is most definitely a PPC chip, it just isn't as fast a 970. With a comparable video card, a dual 2.7ghz PowerMac will destroy the 360.

    The 360 is using stripped down PPC cores. The nightmare for developers is having to hand tune code to make up for all the missing out of order execution logic found in normal desktop chips like the 970 series. I pity the developers who are working on xbox360 projects.

    By the time the 360 hits the shelves later this year PowerMac will put it to shame. And forget about being competitive with the PS3 and Revolution early next year.

  37. Re:3.2 GHz PowerPC Xbox? Has APPLE heard of that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Apple wouldn't use the chip in the Xbox 360 if IBM was giving them away for free.

    Microsoft isn't using these chips because they want to. They are stuck with the hot and un-competitive x86 chips and not having the technology and expertise to create something competitive with Cell.

    So it looks like they just took whatever IBM had sitting around for cheap...MS management isn't exactly pleased with the 3.5 billion they wasted last time.

  38. Double the speed of my web surfing? by Tim+C · · Score: 1

    To be honest, even with "just" a 512Kbps ADSL link, I'm not entirely sure I'd notice if you *halved* the speed of my surfing...

  39. lots of noise, not much here by klossner · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Cringely had a lot of interesting things to say in his prime. But now he's moved out of the valley, and many of his columns trumpet the Next Big Thing when it's not really.

    Here, he seems to have missed the fact that Google Accelerator has already failed and is being withdrawn. The world is not going to redesign their web pages so that GETs have no side effect.

    A couple of weeks ago, he waved his hands and explained that airline scheduling is just like network scheduling and you can speed up the net by eliminating the hubs and running traffic directly from one host to another. Then he waved his hands again and said that hubs are servers.

    Last December after the tsunami, he told us how to build a warning system that could be deployed by putting a networked PC "on every populated beach a month from now." Never mind that third-world populated beaches usually don't have electricity, much less an internet connection.

    Last July he designed a scheme to compress video for broadcast by encoding only what the retina was focusing on. But it would work only if every person receiving the broadcast always pointed their retinas to the same place as everyone else.

    Cringely is at his best when describing a funky experiment that he's actually done, like when he was one of the first to put a WiFi antenna in a Pringles can. But his blue-sky predictions just don't fly anymore.

    1. Re:lots of noise, not much here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Compressing video that you are directly looking at was in fact done by many early MPEG (maybe pre- MPEG) video encoding groups. They played original content to a large groups of people and determined what they were looking at. The most concentrated coordinates of the video were then encoded with extra precision.
      I worked in the industry when this was being done, but I have not heard of anyone recently (last 10 years or so) doing it. Encoding alghorithms (with psycho visual cueing) and bandwidth and computer cpu power has come a long way so this extra care (and its associated expense) is no longer practiced. Yet if somebody wanted to increase perceptual quality holding bitrate the same, they might do something like this even today. (think IMAX digital or Disney rides)

    2. Re:lots of noise, not much here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Last December after the tsunami, he told us how to build a warning system that could be deployed by putting a networked PC "on every populated beach a month from now." Never mind that third-world populated beaches usually don't have electricity, much less an internet connection.

      You require vision,

      For every 20 miles of beach you need:

      (1) Used Laptop with dish antenna

      (1) Large "Solar energy storage system" for Laptop

      MIX AND MATCH SEVERAL OF THE FOLLOWING:
      (80) 3 mile, Two-Way radios for repeating the warning tone every quarter mile.

      (80) Small "Solar energy storage systems" for radios

      (80) people to run from one radio to the radio on thier left in order to warn folks who are between radios.

      Alternately, (80) loud buzzers that can be heard for at least 3/4 of a mile radius.

      Alternately, (80) guys with HAM radios|CB radios|walkie talkies and a can of "Instant fog-horn"

      There are plenty of high tech and low tech things that can be done "for now". Add two parts knowledge, one part vision and stir. defeat is not an option.

  40. Golden opportunity... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now that the internet appliance TeeVee in the form of XBOX is 'real' I notice a huge gap in programming. Where doth da gap be you puzzle under microcephalic like, belt be too tight possum lving in your ass needs a bath, proletariat shrunken head mind glue?

    Why it's the living art, unobtrusive but being there electronic hearth, good feelng warm images oF the one and true real TeeVee.

    Face it doodzettes and doodees. Half the homes you enter have more TeeVees living in them than peeps and at least one of these TeeVees is always ON.

    Rather than the bane blather of broadcast, the cookbooked product placed heartstring plucking doctor saves the one blue eye, one socket sporting a ball bearing, androgynous, smooth all over, wearing ladies shoes, choked to death on a piece of cheese at the Swiss picnic, if it weren't for saide doctor, baby down the well, buy this $hit FOOL, of cable, the pablum like world history and science targeted at precocious five years olds, why;s that teletubby got a 19" gun and is that a possun peaking out of his ass while he rides the wright flyer to the center of the earth, 'educational TeevEE'. yOU COULD PROseeD to ProDeuce something mindcalming becauz in the endo that'a all TeeVee used foranyway, opium for the souless monkey brains soup worls of middle managemant empty suits wife won't fuck, kids won't stop, bring me another PBR robo-dog, fucking volvo's on the blink again since that damn whettedback yardman got caught in the fanbelt while trying to cook the pussycat and munch a raw onion at the same time, welll lgot caught in the fanbelt and jammed the propellor.

    No.
    People do not want entertAINment from TeeVee. The want calm, a warm place ot congeal and congregate sans holy water and stale bickies.

    Real TeeVee will bring them that. 1000 channels of the outsidew world thay loathe to experience out of fear and prejudice, yet endelessly disect for blame and recourse with their likemnded progressive for all be me for I'm a manager, arts and letters, french literature degree and che can;'t order a fucking cold beer without the real frogs swallowig their galoise and shitting their britcvhes, not that you;d notice the odor...

    Set up 1000 camera's all over the world. Put one n a tijuana whore house, one in the popes loo, one at the greyhound stattion in Jersey city, one overlooking the drunken abbos sleeping it off in Darwin city center park, one looking out a sheeps arse, one aimed at a new york times paper box to display the front page and via a mirror the faces of all grabbing a paper.

    Deliverthis $hit by way of IP to the XBX and it's teated 77inch FPD and people will PAY. It;s cheaper to produce than any of the crap on TeeVee nowexcept maybe the crashing waves splashing waterfall stuff on the bible thumping sations that fill in while preacher jo grabs a blow. But, it's much more diverse and interesting.

    LIke the ipod gumstick suffle, randomly switch between these cameras with some weithing toward or away from those with motion action(subscriber selectable).

    Hell, folks would pay $50/month for this stuff. Hell what's $50 when you can afford an xbx and a 77'FPDTV.

    Anyone widhing to discuss the details of this idea...I have a producer with 10 years experience lined up. He's already run tthe ROI numbers. We just need some partnerz with some fucking JACK to get this show on the road.

    Imagine, 24 hours of turds and condoms floating down down the river, LIVE! On YOUR TeeVEE

    1. Re:Golden opportunity... by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      I'll sned a czech off to anonamoose crowded right away, doodlez!

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  41. Cringley or Cringely? by hydopower · · Score: 1

    Which is it?

  42. GWA will not change the world, Cringe by Peter+Cooper · · Score: 3, Interesting

    'If surfing can be doubled in speed for nothing, of course nearly everyone will go for it', the upshot of which is that AOL, MSN and Earthlink lose their relevancy.

    Er, maybe not. For a start, the GWA doesn't "double" surfing speed. Second, with current bandwidth, I doubt most people would notice or care much about "double" text-loading speeds (GWA doesn't get that sort of compression on images, MP3s, etc, obviously). Third, it's not complex technology. People have been developing (and using) this crap for ages. It's not as if Google have cracked cheap, in-your-house nuclear fusion.

  43. this is how much it actually speeds up ... by Hank+Chinaski · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Load Time for 2668 Pages
    Without Google Web Accelerator: 1.9 hrs
    With Google Web Accelerator: 1.5 hrs


    that is for a european user with a pIV 2.4 and 1 gig ram on a 3mbit dsl line.

    i case you're asking yourself "how are the numbers calculated": Performance statistics are estimated by testing a percentage of requested pages.

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    1. Re:this is how much it actually speeds up ... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      While I'm sure you can choose a selection of pages for which this speedup occurs, I seriously doubt if this will noticibly improve the experience of the typical /. reader, who spends most of his time surfing for pr0n. ;-)

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    2. Re:this is how much it actually speeds up ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it would speed up pr0n surfing. Many pr0n sites contain links to images which can be prefetched by the accelerator. (Though it only prefetches smaller files, so you're out of luck with large videos)

  44. Re:3.2 GHz PowerPC Xbox? Has APPLE heard of that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not to mention that these things don't actually exist yet.

  45. My thoughs by cardmagic · · Score: 1

    I have discussed some of the conclusions in Cringley's article on my blog (http://tech.rufy.com/entry/51) to surprising results. I never knew there were so many people reading my blog that were pro-microsoft.

    1. Re:My thoughs by cardmagic · · Score: 2, Funny

      Thanks Anonymous Coward, I am glad you reminded me.

  46. Three no four reasons for MS to cut the clones by philge · · Score: 1

    and move to power pc 1)Viral load makes windows support a nightmare eventually no one wants to pickup the tab for this. Moving to ppc will render all current virii inviable. Xbox n will also have low mareket share so this also helps with viral epidemiology 2)The clones might move to linux therefore it is a game of chicken 3) Dell Hp etc make a huge amount of money out of MS with out MS, Dell etc would still be tinkering in there garages. MS never lets anyone get money they could be getting 4) Soon there may only be dell left in the PC business. This would put MS in a very uncomfortable area especially if then dell abandons the PC business and goes into printers or tv's. We could easily see a situation where no one makes money out of wintel hardware any more and therefore no wants to sell it. 5) Apple has demonstrated the benefits of makeing the whole box in terms of speed and flexibility of design. MS needs to communicate with too many people before making changes this slows it down 6)Too much legacy crap it needs a new slate In summary windows is dying, long horn may never come. The beast needs to be feed and there is a big market segment that MS needs to be into. That is consumer applicances

    1. Re:Three no four reasons for MS to cut the clones by Ph33r+th3+g(O)at · · Score: 1

      7) The ability to build in DRM from processor pin to trusted display requires Apple-like complete control of the hardware platform. Once endorsement keys are turned on (won't be at first--frog boiling and all that), this platform will only run Microsoft's "trusted" OS.

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  47. Web Accelerator is no big news, folks by KillerBob · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's a proxy server with server-side compression. Plain and simple. That's all it does. One of my former ISP's was doing this years ago, and it wasn't that great.

    http://webaccelerator.google.com/support.html#basi cs2

    Revolutionary, it is not.

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  48. rendering flash? by blue_adept · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If Google adds power to its part of the Accelerator, you don't have to add power to your end, meaning your old PC can last longer. Part of that has to come from Google assuming a larger role over time, taking responsibility for rendering Flash, for example. And they'll do it.

    wtf is this guy talking about? How is google going to render my flash? what a dumbass.

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    1. Re:rendering flash? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is Google going to render our flash?

      Lossless video, dumbass. Google can turn "raw" flash into video only thrice the size of the source and the same exact visual quality. That takes up way less . . . I mean more . . . I mean, what was my point? Oh yeah, something about bandwidth or flash or something.

      If Google does it, it must be un-evil-er.

      Pre-render flash . . . last time I checked, my 700MHz AMD could rock any flash file no problem. Bandwidth is bandwidth. I suppose the guy would like to suggest that turning flash quality to low also makes it "download" faster. Maybe compress it . . . you'd almost save some time after you factor in the decompressing taking place through your CPU. SHIT, thinking like that bunches my panties.

    2. Re:rendering flash? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this guy is supposed to be a tech writer???

      I get the feeling just because he dislikes MS he is constantly referenced around here, but lets face it, GWA is server caching, he starts talking about rendering flash thats strike one, two and three in my book. He also exposed how XP was build on DOS if I recall correctly, I mean its got cmd.exe right?

    3. Re:rendering flash? by Sirdar+Bey · · Score: 1
      Um... Grid computing. Surely you've heard of it by now. Google will offload the rendering to the nearest computer to you that has extra CPU power lying around. The Google Toolbar will handle the brokering, it'll send out, uh, "computations" and get back results, so if your app was going to draw something along a sinus wave, it would send the computations for each degree to 359 machines and then store the results in a lookup table in the toolbar on your machine. Or something like this.

      They hire really good people at google. i've seen their ads, and I've heard their statement that they can't find enough qualified people. So just imagine what they've got.

    4. Re:rendering flash? by blue_adept · · Score: 1

      grid computing for rendering client side graphics? without rewriting flash? I don't need to imagine anything, you have enough imagination for the both of us.

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    5. Re:rendering flash? by Sirdar+Bey · · Score: 1

      this was supposed to be funny and absurd.

  49. the exception... by alizard · · Score: 1
    NDAs aren't broken if the "leak" comes from an employee of MS or a MS PR agency broadcasting the information as part of their job responsibilities.

    Though if I were the "MS" AC, I'd want that order in writing.

  50. Download speed enhancement as benefit by Senor_Programmer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    comes from the broadcast mindset. "We are in control, you will consume."

    You want a revolution the likes of which will blow away the $ figures of the early dot bomb era?

    Increase the frigging upload speeds.

    With 5mbit up, 'distributed distribution' becomes practical. Everyone will be able to relay multiple channels and a cornucopia of virtual of virtual networks will evolve.

    You want your friggin inflection Cringer? It's the congruence of cheap, quality, direct to video recording coupled with inexpensive editing tools. It's TV by and for the masses.

    Right now there's a smattering of porn and music swapping going on but the friggin upstream bandwidth limitations have a stranglehold on the emergence of distributed video networks. Imagine when you can make a 'film' of something that interests you, distribute it for FREE(well for $50/month) to those who would are interested. It's the WWW all over again but in video!

    I am working on an novel approach to making the offerings easy to find, in the transition, but in the end, when bidirectional high speed access is available, the TIVO model will work best. A sort of AI that looks for stuff that's liek what you like.

    No, everyone won't become an author, director, or producer, but the stuff will have a route to viewers.

    MPAA and those who control distribution are fear this day like the fucking plague. That's why we are seeing consolidation of IP traffic control with those who wish to control distribution, Namely the cable companies and the telcos. They are of the broadcast mindset. An acto of congress would change the whole paradigm of video distribution but it would not put these A$$holes out of business. They just don't see it. Hell, the slick, LCD based, vdeo will always hold the largest audience. But, it will have to be a hell of a lot better than it is now, to compete with what could be...

    Don;t tell me it's a technological problem, I KNOW how DOCSIS 2 works and the costs involved. The problem is FEAR of losing control on behalf of ...

    Well I already said that.

    Googles cache? Well if they can handle the bandwidth, they are on the right track, and I agree with Mr Cringle. Otherwise, it's just so much fluff and IMO there is no way they can generate the return to pay for it in a few to many network.

    1. Re:Download speed enhancement as benefit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think alot of people are missing a major point, the reason google wants to cache things, is because then they KNOW what people are -really- intersted in, googlebombing becomes a thing of the past, their advertising becomes more relevant, which means they can squeeze even more profit out of their advertising partners....

  51. Speaking of inflection points, by ewe2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1. Cringley reads Slashdot for industry inside-information. It's the end of an era.

    2. Microsoft is finally playing someone else's game. The surprise is that it's Apple, like always. Colour me astonished.

    3. Google accelerator. So noone is bothered by privacy concerns about an Internet-sized cache? Never saw that coming.

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  52. Hmmm by Zebra_X · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cringley touches on some good points. However his analysis of Google accelerator is seriously lacking in imgaination.

    There is a really, really, really, really good reason for Google to go through this "Heroic" effort. In fact, it is almost sickeningly self serving. Googles accelerator will allow them to capture the click stream of every participating user. That is, google will know where you are going, what you are reading, and how long you are reading it for. That is, they will have an entire stream of data to more accurately return search results and target ads. This will also help their page rank system be more "accurate".

    This isn't a technology play as Cringely supposes - IBM's not doing this becuase umm, wait they don't do that sort of thing - MS isn't doing it becuase they don't really have a need for the data. Google is "catching" up to companies like double click and poindexter at the moment. Their plan will ultimately give them way more data than any other ad server out there. Online advertising is about data, the more data you have about a user, the larger a profile they can build about you. In google's case they can make their targeted ad offerings far more relevent which will equal $$$.

    1. Re:Hmmm by Zebra_X · · Score: 1

      Addendum:Google is "catching" up to companies like double click and poindexter at the moment.

      Google isn't catching up - they currently have a similar amount of coverage of competing companies, using their ad words placed on other sites.

  53. Prefetching pages will cost something by noidentity · · Score: 1

    If surfing can be doubled in speed for nothing, of course nearly everyone will go for it

    Bandwidth providers often offer "unlimited" bandwidth, but the price they charge is based on the average bandwidth used by everyone. If many people start using software which prefetches pages, the average bandwidth usage will increase and so will the amount charged.

    It's the same deal with SPAM: sure, you only get a few extra messages, but multiply this by everyone and it does add something to the cost of your service.

    How about real web pages which consist of non-bloated HTML and a few graphics where necessary?

  54. Web Accelerator Stalled by r2q2 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Its interesting to note that google has disabled more people from using their new service. They state on their site http://webaccelerator.google.com/ that they have reached maximum capacity.

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  55. Why Google Web Accelerator? by mveloso · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One problem that any search engine has is getting URLs.

    How do you index URLs? Simple: you start someplace and spider out from there.

    What if people are going directly to unlinked, or unindexable pages?

    Well heck, you stick something in the way so you see everyplace they go.

    Simple. GWA is just a way for Google to get a lead on the "dark web," just like the google toolbar. From your point of view, it speeds stuff up somewhat. That's it!

    1. Re:Why Google Web Accelerator? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't that exactly what they do with the free Opera browser when you set it to show you page-you're-viewing-related ads?
      Isn't the Google Accelerator therefore just an incremental upward scaling of the same concept?

  56. Obvious Move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't know why anyone would be surprised. This move was forseen when the original Xbox was in the works.

  57. yes, you did, AC Re:More on XBOX 360. by swschrad · · Score: 1

    that's inside information, and the boilerplate phrase everybody uses is that it all stays inside.

    but that's OK, we have two competing channels here, and let the best one win.

    that will be the one with iTunes and links to Pixar trailers and 32-inch screens that you can drown in....

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  58. As my math teacher says... by Fermatprime · · Score: 1

    "We have a point of infraction!" I don't think this week will turn out to be all that important. The game/music/movie console has existed for quite a while: it's called my PC. And Google releases something that looks really, really important/cool about every two weeks; most just slide into obscurity within a couple of days. The Web Accelerator may last a little longer than others, but I doubt it'll make as big of a difference as, say, Gmail did.

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    I hate the one hundred and twenty character limit for signatures with an all-enveloping, all-destroying, incredible pass
  59. Good Haiku by atverd · · Score: 1

    I am, in fact, male
    He said he was too
    So we have that in common

    Good Haiku. You are gifted, but I still don't understand - he "was", you "are". So could you elaborate on that thing you guys still have in common?

  60. web no more by namekuseijin · · Score: 1

    "the significance of Google's Web Accelerator"

    now take some time to think about it:

    * you look for things on google
    * you have a virtual HD on gmail
    * you have encyclopedics amounts of info with wikipedia/google
    * and now you surf via google with web accelerator

    your hole online life depends on google. there's no web out there anymore, just google's take on it...

    this kinda begins to smell...

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    I don't feel like it...
    1. Re:web no more by zpok · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Um, I kind of share your sentiment, but look at Cisco... If you like, we're not surfing the web, but passing through the Cisco cyberway. No problem so far...

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      I think, therefore I am...I think.
  61. My man, you forget one very important thing... by Yolegoman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The hd is removable. The hackers can have one hard drive for their modded xbox, and one hard drive for their LIVE play.

  62. CRINGELY. by TPIRman · · Score: 1

    Good question. For the love of God, everyone, it is Cringely. The continued misspelling of the guy's name (props for the correct headline, editors) is a bizarre phenomenon in the tech-writing world.

  63. I want some of what you are smoking... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your friends like to pull your leg a lot. According to my sources, which are probably closer than yours to the truth, expect the Xbox 360 to be much, much harder to break. Or to run some other OS on.

    And your "reasons" are just full of it. No developer or publishers wants to develop a title that will be highly pirated. Installed base yes. Cracked base, no. And yes, they care a lot.

  64. Competes with PC? I think not! by korielgraculus · · Score: 4, Informative

    Has Cringely even read the released information about the XBox 360? It will stream video and audio FROM A PC! How exactly is this competing with PC manufacturers? To get the most out of the system you will need a PC running ... wait for it ... Windows Media Center! What MS seems to be saying is that the future of the home PC (as far as they are concerned) is tied up with Media Center. The XBox 360 is an extension of a PC system, not a replacement.

  65. Re:3.2 GHz PowerPC Xbox? Has APPLE heard of that? by parboy · · Score: 1

    "MORE proof that Apple has been ripping people off for years"

    And second, I think Apple probably spends out a random dollar or two on a slick little thing called an OPERATING SYSTEM? You know the one called OS X that comes bundled in the box with every G4/G5 - preinstalled even!

    Like ASOTV said - "it just works". That doesn't come dirt cheap anywhere, in any kind of product.

    Yeah, they've jacked up the price alright, to match WinXP on Dell. Whoopee!

  66. Interesting by __aahlyu4518 · · Score: 1

    One of the interesting things though is that xbox 360 has PowerPC chips in it. The thing will also have a home multimedia center future. So probably there will be a Windows Mediacenter Edition for PowerPC/Xbox.
    Is Microsoft going to do what Apple has never wanted because it will destroy the Mac-Market? Maybe there will be PowerPC(Mac)-clones popping up in the next few years, which will run MS-Windows. Small step to have it also run on original Macs and destroy Apple's market share.

    Maybe a x86 OSX wasn't such a stupid idea as Apple always thought.

    1. Re:Interesting by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      'Cuz that's the goal of everyone, to have the beauty of Windows run on an expensive Apple box.

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      I drank what? -- Socrates
  67. Xbox 360 CPU != CELL by News+for+nerds · · Score: 1

    >3.2GHz PowerPC based cell controller

    You have no clue, don't you?

  68. Give Gringely a break! by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 1

    Ok, YOU try writing a column each and every week. Sometimes you may have very little hard info to draw from. Sometimes your speculation may be a bit off kilter. Give the poor guy a break.

  69. Been there done that by teddlesruss · · Score: 1
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  70. Bad Haiku by Doktor+Memory · · Score: 1

    5-7-5, not 5-5-7. Ahem.

    (And should refer to nature, otherwise it's just a senryu.)

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    News for Nerds. Stuff that Matters? Like hell.

  71. Cringley... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...pissed on Dvorak with a greased yoda doll up his ass. Fuck them, they're both goddamn irrelevent blowhards.

  72. Patched version by atverd · · Score: 1

    Shame on me - of course it should be 5-7-5. But it is definitely related to man's natural world. Let's fix the obvious part a little:

    I am, in fact, male
    So we have that in common -
    He said he was too


    I think it's even better now.

  73. Inflection point? by Steve+Witham · · Score: 1

    What is it with people using "inflection point" when they mean "turning point?"

    The inflection point in a growth curve is where the growth goes flat and starts to slow down.