And then we would've had to deal with corporate desktops that look like the crappy Excel sheets HR drones create, now that's a future I don't have any interest in. People may want to program but they can't. 90% percent of programmers can't turn out a decent program let alone users. Apple (or more correctly Jobs' Apple) wants great apps, apps that do what the users wants in a well thought out logical and stylish manner, apps created by programming artists (this is the ideal, I know full well they themselves fall short of this many times.) That requires professional programmers working with professional tools supported by system API's that allow them to blend seamlessly with the OS and provide slick interfaces. You can't do that with crappy excel sheets. Nor should you have to. Every time I've seen one of these awful interface-inside-an-xls type deals it would've been better done by some specialized program or webapp. These things exist because you aren't giving your users the tools you need and they have to resort to these cobbled together monstrosities.
Conspiracy theory BS. It's not difficult to see why it was discontinued. It was stopped for the same reason Apple halted development on a ton of other products in the late 90's: because the company was going under and Jobs decided it had to focus on a narrow range of hardware running eventually running OS X. Anything that didn't fit into the streamlined Apple and couldn't present a compelling case to port to OS X was toast, wonderful or not.
Yes, Google's solution sounds like techno-feudalism with enlightened lords doling out privilege to those beneath them while Slashdot, with all its problems, does tend to function more like a meritocracy. It ain't pretty, but it works (sort of) most of the time, except those times when it fails spectacularly and then we can all bitch about it. Like democracy.
Apple has been tight lipped but don't be surprised if it is found on iphones either. They already have a client available for Iphones. So if the carrier choses to install it you are SOL.
The carrier would have to convince Apple to make a special version of iOS for them because carriers cannot by themselves install unremovable crapware on iPhones. I'd like to see the carriers try this, I could use a good laugh.
I love how people here are focussing on iTunes and not the fact that British agencies are supplying the Egyptian secret police with software to nab dissidents. Seriously, WTF ?
In this case the ISP's and their customers have the same goal: no filtering. It's the ISP who brought the case before the court so it's normal that the judgement should be framed in such a way that it represent their case against the filtering. In fact I believe there is a law which says that the verdict must be explained by the court in such a way as to indicate it was based on the evidence brought forward during the trial or it's invalid.
The EU courts are surprisingly competent but I have the impression this is because they are truly independent, can't be pressured by national governments and aren't interfered with by the eurocrats. One wonders how long that would last if the EC and EP got more political power.
Summary : the applicant said that water intake significantly deceases the risk for the disease dehydration : "the Panel on Dietetic Products, Nutrition and Allergies was asked to deliver an opinion on the scientific substantiation of a health claim related to water and reduced risk of development of dehydration."
"External or stress-related causes Prolonged physical activity with sweating without consuming adequate water, especially in a hot and/or dry environment Prolonged exposure to dry air, e.g., in high-flying airplanes (5%–12% relative humidity) Blood loss or hypotension due to physical trauma Diarrhea Hyperthermia Shock (hypovolemic) Vomiting Burns Lacrimation Use of methamphetamine, amphetamine, caffeine and other stimulants Excessive consumption of alcoholic beverages Infectious diseases Cholera Gastroenteritis Shigellosis Yellow fever Malnutrition Electrolyte disturbance Hypernatremia (also caused by dehydration) Hyponatremia, especially from restricted salt diets Fasting Recent rapid weight loss may reflect progressive depletion of fluid volume (the loss of 1 L of fluid results in a weight loss of 1 kg (2.2 lb)).[10] Patient refusal of nutrition and hydration Inability to swallow (obstruction of the oesophagus) Other causes of obligate water loss Severe hyperglycemia, especially in diabetes mellitus Glycosuria Uremia Diabetes insipidus Acute emergency dehydration event Foodborne illness"
Clearly water intake does not prevent all of these, therefor water cannot be said to prevent dehydration. Water can help rehydrate a person when the underlying cause for the dyhadration has been treated though.
People who haven't seen that epode of QI can find the relevant part here. It brilliantly exposes the nutbaggery that poses for "euro skepticism" in the UK press (also elsewhere but the UK takes the cake.)
"If you're asking about the first computer I ever used, that was an IBM 360 to which I had to submit jobs via punched cards. It sure looked impressive, but the PL/1 program I wrote needed more memory than the machine could offer."
Sounds like young Richard missed out on a promising career doing OS design for Microsoft.
It's the fault of western governments. They could threaten China with sanctions and tariffs if they don't get their act together but since they are a) spineless b) completely disinterested in anything other than money c) indebted up to their eyeballs to China that's never going to happen.
The real problem is the macroeconomics of the matter. Jobs' built state of the art factories for both the original Mac and NeXT in the US. Both failed to return on their investment. At least Apple cares enough, wether it's due to concern for their image or genuine concern, to investigate and ameliorate conditions where possible. Most companies don't.
Look at this picture. That was plastered on billboards all over in my town. Are you going to tell me they didn't make that look like an iPhone on purpose ? Nitpicking the individual claims is easy, look at the big picture.
Nobody is buying a Samsung phone thinking it's made by Apple.
Firstly I think you're overestimating people. Secondly they don't need to. The fact they are buying something that is sufficiently similar to an iPhone allows them to insert themselves into Apple's pricing tiers as an alternative. Where before if you wanted something iPhone-like your choice was iPhone 3GS - iPhone 4 - iPhone4S each tiered to serve a certain market suddenly you have a third party inserting itself by being so similar ("oh I can just buy that one it's kinda like an iPhone".) That way they (Samsung) are riding on the coattails of a very expensive marketing machine.
However you nitpick the various claims made in the lawsuit and how laws should apply and if patents should even be granted I think that no one with eyes that can see can honestly look at some of these products side by side and deny that at some point someone at Samsung looked at an iPhone and an iPad and told someone at some department "hey, make me some of these." Personally, I think that's a dick move and they deserve to catch more hell for it than they currently have. It's exactly the kind of thing we used to deride the Chinese, and before them the Japanese, for and now it seems like that's all A-OK.
And if the lawyers held up two modern smartphones, how many lawyers (or consumers) could pick the Windows Phone (if the screen was off)?
It would be trivial to spot the Samsung tablet (hint: it's the less-square, 16:9 one), but perhaps shape recognition isn't part of the lawyer skillset. With the home screens on, it'd be even easier. Nonetheless, the GP is right; hand-sized, rectangular shape, speaker at the top, basic black colour - none of these could be considered a unique feature in phones, because the form is in large part dictated by the function. Just as with tablets.
Ask your average consumer who came in to buy an iPad to identify the iPad in a side-by-side comparison, will they be able to ? Down to the packaging Samsung have copied elements that were distinctively Apple-like. To me the Windows phones look substantially different, so does the UI and crucially the combination of the two is something fresh showing that yes you can come up with a new approach even when working within the constrains dictated by function. I also thought the Palm Pre, though less distinctive as the Windows ones also succeeded at doing its own thing. While when the first time I saw a commercial for the Galaxy (I think) the very first thing that shot through my mind was "wow I can't believe how much they are making this thing look like an iPhone."
I cannot believe you just actually wrote that. Google goes so far as to send C and D letters to small time modders to make sure that their proprietary apps are not included without paying up.
This is what I said. If you want the full Android experience you have to go through Google.
You basically have it completely backwards. Furthermore you are double clueless as there are quite a few phones that come equipped with Bing as the default search and they are still "Android certified". You are spreading FUD.
I stand corrected. Verizon did in fact make Bing the default on some phones. Seems like biting that hand that feeds you to me though. And it doesn't change the rational Google, in my opinion, had for creating Android in the first place.
@FedcourtJunkie:"Koh just held both tablets above her head, one in each hand, asked Samsung lawyers to identify which was which. Took them a while to do so.."
Again it's not about icons, it's about icons specifically made to resemble iOS icons. It's not about a rounded square device, it's about a device that's made specifically to resemble Apple's style, etc. All those elements together create a copycat that makes it hard to distinguish from the competing product. Compare this to a competitor done right, as much as I hate to admit it, the Windows phones. They have a distinct style of their own, they don't need to rely on copying someone else's.
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And then we would've had to deal with corporate desktops that look like the crappy Excel sheets HR drones create, now that's a future I don't have any interest in. People may want to program but they can't. 90% percent of programmers can't turn out a decent program let alone users. Apple (or more correctly Jobs' Apple) wants great apps, apps that do what the users wants in a well thought out logical and stylish manner, apps created by programming artists (this is the ideal, I know full well they themselves fall short of this many times.) That requires professional programmers working with professional tools supported by system API's that allow them to blend seamlessly with the OS and provide slick interfaces. You can't do that with crappy excel sheets. Nor should you have to. Every time I've seen one of these awful interface-inside-an-xls type deals it would've been better done by some specialized program or webapp. These things exist because you aren't giving your users the tools you need and they have to resort to these cobbled together monstrosities.
Conspiracy theory BS. It's not difficult to see why it was discontinued. It was stopped for the same reason Apple halted development on a ton of other products in the late 90's: because the company was going under and Jobs decided it had to focus on a narrow range of hardware running eventually running OS X. Anything that didn't fit into the streamlined Apple and couldn't present a compelling case to port to OS X was toast, wonderful or not.
you will not be downmoded for making a respectful informative response.
Then why is there an "overrated" mod ? It's basically an "I disagree, take that" mod.
This.
Yes, Google's solution sounds like techno-feudalism with enlightened lords doling out privilege to those beneath them while Slashdot, with all its problems, does tend to function more like a meritocracy. It ain't pretty, but it works (sort of) most of the time, except those times when it fails spectacularly and then we can all bitch about it. Like democracy.
Apple has been tight lipped but don't be surprised if it is found on iphones either. They already have a client available for Iphones. So if the carrier choses to install it you are SOL.
The carrier would have to convince Apple to make a special version of iOS for them because carriers cannot by themselves install unremovable crapware on iPhones. I'd like to see the carriers try this, I could use a good laugh.
I love how people here are focussing on iTunes and not the fact that British agencies are supplying the Egyptian secret police with software to nab dissidents. Seriously, WTF ?
In this case the ISP's and their customers have the same goal: no filtering. It's the ISP who brought the case before the court so it's normal that the judgement should be framed in such a way that it represent their case against the filtering. In fact I believe there is a law which says that the verdict must be explained by the court in such a way as to indicate it was based on the evidence brought forward during the trial or it's invalid.
The EU courts are surprisingly competent but I have the impression this is because they are truly independent, can't be pressured by national governments and aren't interfered with by the eurocrats. One wonders how long that would last if the EC and EP got more political power.
Are you Belgian? If not, you (your people) did not invent french fries.
disclaimer: I am.
I am as a matter of fact :-)
You should go for either Textmate or BBedit, just so you can join the Mac equivalent of the vi vs. emacs holy war.
Seems obvious. If you're using an Apple computer you are more likely to have the attitude that if a product is good it's worth paying for.
Summary : the applicant said that water intake significantly deceases the risk for the disease dehydration : "the Panel on Dietetic Products, Nutrition and Allergies was asked to deliver an opinion on the scientific substantiation of a health claim related to water and reduced risk of development of dehydration."
Causes of dehydration :
"External or stress-related causes
Prolonged physical activity with sweating without consuming adequate water, especially in a hot and/or dry environment
Prolonged exposure to dry air, e.g., in high-flying airplanes (5%–12% relative humidity)
Blood loss or hypotension due to physical trauma
Diarrhea
Hyperthermia
Shock (hypovolemic)
Vomiting
Burns
Lacrimation
Use of methamphetamine, amphetamine, caffeine and other stimulants
Excessive consumption of alcoholic beverages
Infectious diseases
Cholera
Gastroenteritis
Shigellosis
Yellow fever
Malnutrition
Electrolyte disturbance
Hypernatremia (also caused by dehydration)
Hyponatremia, especially from restricted salt diets
Fasting
Recent rapid weight loss may reflect progressive depletion of fluid volume (the loss of 1 L of fluid results in a weight loss of 1 kg (2.2 lb)).[10]
Patient refusal of nutrition and hydration
Inability to swallow (obstruction of the oesophagus)
Other causes of obligate water loss
Severe hyperglycemia, especially in diabetes mellitus
Glycosuria
Uremia
Diabetes insipidus
Acute emergency dehydration event
Foodborne illness"
Clearly water intake does not prevent all of these, therefor water cannot be said to prevent dehydration. Water can help rehydrate a person when the underlying cause for the dyhadration has been treated though.
No more disgusting than gravy/cheese curds or mayonnaise on french fries.
Hey americans, we invented fucking french fries. Don't tell us what we can put on them, yeah.
People who haven't seen that epode of QI can find the relevant part here. It brilliantly exposes the nutbaggery that poses for "euro skepticism" in the UK press (also elsewhere but the UK takes the cake.)
I don't have a joke because mr. T ate my balls.
Giggety, giggety.
"If you're asking about the first computer I ever used, that was an IBM 360 to which I had to submit jobs via punched cards. It sure looked impressive, but the PL/1 program I wrote needed more memory than the machine could offer."
Sounds like young Richard missed out on a promising career doing OS design for Microsoft.
It's the fault of western governments. They could threaten China with sanctions and tariffs if they don't get their act together but since they are a) spineless b) completely disinterested in anything other than money c) indebted up to their eyeballs to China that's never going to happen.
The real problem is the macroeconomics of the matter. Jobs' built state of the art factories for both the original Mac and NeXT in the US. Both failed to return on their investment. At least Apple cares enough, wether it's due to concern for their image or genuine concern, to investigate and ameliorate conditions where possible. Most companies don't.
Look at this picture. That was plastered on billboards all over in my town. Are you going to tell me they didn't make that look like an iPhone on purpose ? Nitpicking the individual claims is easy, look at the big picture.
Nobody is buying a Samsung phone thinking it's made by Apple.
Firstly I think you're overestimating people. Secondly they don't need to. The fact they are buying something that is sufficiently similar to an iPhone allows them to insert themselves into Apple's pricing tiers as an alternative. Where before if you wanted something iPhone-like your choice was iPhone 3GS - iPhone 4 - iPhone4S each tiered to serve a certain market suddenly you have a third party inserting itself by being so similar ("oh I can just buy that one it's kinda like an iPhone".) That way they (Samsung) are riding on the coattails of a very expensive marketing machine.
However you nitpick the various claims made in the lawsuit and how laws should apply and if patents should even be granted I think that no one with eyes that can see can honestly look at some of these products side by side and deny that at some point someone at Samsung looked at an iPhone and an iPad and told someone at some department "hey, make me some of these." Personally, I think that's a dick move and they deserve to catch more hell for it than they currently have. It's exactly the kind of thing we used to deride the Chinese, and before them the Japanese, for and now it seems like that's all A-OK.
And if the lawyers held up two modern smartphones, how many lawyers (or consumers) could pick the Windows Phone (if the screen was off)?
It would be trivial to spot the Samsung tablet (hint: it's the less-square, 16:9 one), but perhaps shape recognition isn't part of the lawyer skillset. With the home screens on, it'd be even easier. Nonetheless, the GP is right; hand-sized, rectangular shape, speaker at the top, basic black colour - none of these could be considered a unique feature in phones, because the form is in large part dictated by the function. Just as with tablets.
Ask your average consumer who came in to buy an iPad to identify the iPad in a side-by-side comparison, will they be able to ? Down to the packaging Samsung have copied elements that were distinctively Apple-like. To me the Windows phones look substantially different, so does the UI and crucially the combination of the two is something fresh showing that yes you can come up with a new approach even when working within the constrains dictated by function. I also thought the Palm Pre, though less distinctive as the Windows ones also succeeded at doing its own thing. While when the first time I saw a commercial for the Galaxy (I think) the very first thing that shot through my mind was "wow I can't believe how much they are making this thing look like an iPhone."
I cannot believe you just actually wrote that. Google goes so far as to send C and D letters to small time modders to make sure that their proprietary apps are not included without paying up.
This is what I said. If you want the full Android experience you have to go through Google.
You basically have it completely backwards. Furthermore you are double clueless as there are quite a few phones that come equipped with Bing as the default search and they are still "Android certified". You are spreading FUD.
I stand corrected. Verizon did in fact make Bing the default on some phones. Seems like biting that hand that feeds you to me though. And it doesn't change the rational Google, in my opinion, had for creating Android in the first place.
@FedcourtJunkie :"Koh just held both tablets above her head, one in each hand, asked Samsung lawyers to identify which was which. Took them a while to do so.."
Again it's not about icons, it's about icons specifically made to resemble iOS icons. It's not about a rounded square device, it's about a device that's made specifically to resemble Apple's style, etc. All those elements together create a copycat that makes it hard to distinguish from the competing product. Compare this to a competitor done right, as much as I hate to admit it, the Windows phones. They have a distinct style of their own, they don't need to rely on copying someone else's.