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Toronto School Bans Hard Balls

In an attempt to finally "think of the children," Earl Beatty Public school has prohibited students from playing with balls after a "few serious incidents" in which students and staff were hit or almost hit by balls. From the article: "The happy days of kicking a ball around at recess ended Monday after students took home a letter advising that henceforth, no child could bring a soccer ball, football, volleyball or even tennis ball to the junior and senior school in the area of Coxwell and Danforth Aves." I assume all lunches will soon be taken via feeding tube to minimize choking hazards.

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  1. watson can't find that school in Toronto by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    watson can't find that school in Toronto

    1. Re:watson can't find that school in Toronto by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Works better if you got edumacated and can spell "public" right. http://www.tdsb.on.ca/SchoolWeb/_site/viewitem.asp?siteid=10172&pageid=10318&menuid=11684

    2. Re:watson can't find that school in Toronto by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      watson can't find that school in Toronto

      Elementary Watson : They are encouraging archery.

  2. No ball jokes in the comments. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm watching you.

    1. Re:No ball jokes in the comments. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well... Balls to you Sir.

    2. Re:No ball jokes in the comments. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      "No ball jokes in the comments."

      Can we at least make jokes about Coxwell Ave.?

    3. Re:No ball jokes in the comments. by mug+funky · · Score: 2

      i had to eat my words.

    4. Re:No ball jokes in the comments. by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 1

      I don't have a joke because mr. T ate my balls.

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    5. Re:No ball jokes in the comments. by c++0xFF · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm watching you.

      Whoops, I didn't realize anybody was watching.

      (/me puts down his balls)

    6. Re:No ball jokes in the comments. by sgt+scrub · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No way. Last time I got yelled at.

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    7. Re:No ball jokes in the comments. by iggymanz · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      how about scrotum jokes?

    8. Re:No ball jokes in the comments. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that is darn hilarious. I didn't even think you were joking.

    9. Re:No ball jokes in the comments. by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Fine, although I'd say that's a pretty ballsy move for you to just cancel them like that. You sir must have....balls of steel! Which of course means you're not allowed within 500 yards of the school in TFA.

      Now for something serious...who the fuck decided we have to babyproof the world? Did I miss a memo? Hell when I was 5 I had my own minibike, most of the other kids had minibikes or go-carts as well. Did we get hurt? fuck yeah we got hurt, but you know what? We went home, put a band-aid on that shit and went back out again!

      Hell its no wonder kids are coming out so fucked up nowadays, parents treating kids like they are made out of glass! Can't play outside, can't trick or treat, I had one bump into me at a grocery store and when I simply said "excuse me young lady" I had her mother whisper "stranger danger", needless to say I went off on her ass at how teaching basic manners instead of acting like everyone was gonna snatch her kid would make the world a hell of a lot better place.

      Frankly I'm so damned sick of idiot parenting that it ain't even funny. i'm just glad that the parents in my building are actually teaching their children to behave instead of acting nuts. I had to knock on one of their doors the other day just to compliment her on raising such a polite child, who actually held the door open when I was loaded down and said "good morning sir" when I approached. How damned sad is it when simple common everyday courtesy has to be treated like some rare and precious accomplishment.

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    10. Re:No ball jokes in the comments. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hairy, I love you for this post.

    11. Re:No ball jokes in the comments. by west · · Score: 1

      Well, it's too late for CBC Radio (Canadian National Broadcaster), which interviewed the school trustee in whose district the school can be found.

      The conversation went back and forth with the trustee pointing out the rather more mundane reasons for the temporary ban when the interviewer inevitably said something innocuous about the students handling their balls.

      The trustee failed her resist double-entendre roll and said something like "Well, that's rather naughty", which of course flustered the interviewer...

      I suspect the rest of the board will be ribbing the trustee about the interview for a long, long time.

    12. Re:No ball jokes in the comments. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That whole thread reads like an episode of The Big Bang Theory.

    13. Re:No ball jokes in the comments. by jamesh · · Score: 0

      If you making having hard balls a crime, then only criminals will have balls of steel.

    14. Re:No ball jokes in the comments. by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      It's going to be difficult to read any comment on this article without it sounding like a joke.

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    15. Re:No ball jokes in the comments. by Phoghat · · Score: 2

      Well I guess I can't attend school in Toronto, because my balls....oh, never mind.

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    16. Re:No ball jokes in the comments. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I assume all lunches will soon be taken via feeding tube to minimize choking hazards. LMAO.. Cant wait to see that one enforced..

    17. Re:No ball jokes in the comments. by dtmancom · · Score: 2

      Seems to me that when a generation of children is raised with an overly strong sense of entitlement and no manners (which causes a basic lack of empathy and respect for others), you end up with "Occupy" demonstrations. I CAN HAS UR STUFF?

    18. Re:No ball jokes in the comments. by oh-dark-thirty · · Score: 1

      Coxwell by name, Cox VERY well by reputation...

    19. Re:No ball jokes in the comments. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems to me that when a generation of children is raised with an overly strong sense of entitlement and no manners (which causes a basic lack of empathy and respect for others), you end up with "Occupy" demonstrations.

      Correct, however that generation of children you refer to are the corporations the protestors are rallying against.

    20. Re:No ball jokes in the comments. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had her mother whisper "stranger danger", needless to say I went off on her ass

      were you trying to be ironic?

    21. Re:No ball jokes in the comments. by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Hell, everybody's responding to the FP joke, so I guess I'll stick my old ball story here, too.

      Most of you guys know I'm a geezer, who went to school when spanking was allowed and you got swats for punishment in school. There was a game called "murder ball". One team would line up on one end of the gym and the other team at the other. A deflated soccor ball was the weapon, which was thrown at the other team. If you it them, they're out of the game. If they catch the ball, you're out of the game.

      One day a kid was standing as close to the wall as he could, probably thinking the farther away he was from whoever was throwing the ball, the less it would hurt. Well, he got hit on the forehead, hard, making his head hit the wall -- hard. He was out cold for a full ten minutes.

      The school stopped murder ball after that.

      The next year they had the exact same game, only with a different name, and with the ball fully inflated.

    22. Re:No ball jokes in the comments. by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Seems to me that when a generation of children is raised with an overly strong sense of entitlement and no manners (which causes a basic lack of empathy and respect for others), you end up with "Tea Party" demonstrations. FUCK YOU I REFUSE TO PAY TAXES OR BENEFIT SOCIETY IN ANY WAY. I, ME, ME, MINE. GET TO WORK YOU FILTHY HIPPIES SO I CAN HAVE EVEN MORE STUFF.

    23. Re:No ball jokes in the comments. by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 1

      How damned sad is it when simple common everyday courtesy has to be treated like some rare and precious accomplishment.

      I have been a prick for most of my life but I have always had manners

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    24. Re:No ball jokes in the comments. by WiiVault · · Score: 1

      Your right about idiot wimp parents, but dressing down the lady in front of her kid is just as socially rude as her wingnut comment.

    25. Re:No ball jokes in the comments. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "No ball jokes in the comments."

      Can we at least make jokes about Coxwell Ave.?

      We have a Willcocks Avenue. Not Wilcox. Willcocks.

    26. Re:No ball jokes in the comments. by swalve · · Score: 1

      I played that too as a kid, and I don't have any, uh, what was it, where the ball breaks someth- ah, that was it- brian damage.

  3. What next? by ksd1337 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Will they ban pencils, because they can be sharpened into "stabbing weapons?"

    1. Re:What next? by baelgren · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't forget the grave danger posed by paper cuts - they should ban paper too. Computers can cause eyestrain, those should probably go. Many text books are heavy and could cause injury if dropped or thrown, so those are gone. I guess the kids should all just go to individual padded cells where they listen to instructional reading piped over speakers....wait, speakers can be turned up too loud causing hearing loss......

    2. Re:What next? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      You joke... but I did get stabbed with a pencil on the playground. I had a "graphite" tattoo where the lead entered me- faded over a few years- but it remained for a while.

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    3. Re:What next? by pmgarvey · · Score: 5, Funny

      Paper cuts are the worst kind of injury because they hurt like hell but no one gives you any sympathy.There should really be a movement to recognise the seriousness of the paper cut.

    4. Re:What next? by Pharmboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So you are agreeing that banning pencils is a good idea? I hope not. Once we eliminate all risks in life, we eliminate all rewards as well.

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    5. Re:What next? by tycoex · · Score: 1

      I have a piece of graphite in my knee still from where I got stabbed with a pencil!

      In all seriousness though, I remember a student that got kicked from my High School and had to go to the "bad kids" school. Apparently (not sure if this is true or not) he had to do his work in crayon because he tried to stab one of the teachers with a pen/pencil.

    6. Re:What next? by miowpurr · · Score: 1

      They don't do much when you do get stabbed with them, depending on where that is. I still have a piece of pencil graphite in my thigh from 12th grade. Won't say how long ago that was... ;)

    7. Re:What next? by mug+funky · · Score: 2

      mods!

    8. Re:What next? by Jeng · · Score: 1

      Hell, some were designed to be weapons that you can carry anywhere.

      http://www.tuffwriter.com/tactical-pens.html

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    9. Re:What next? by DeadDecoy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ipads for everyone!

    10. Re:What next? by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      Will they ban pencils, because they can be sharpened into "stabbing weapons?"

      Yep, they'll have to go back to carving their words into blocks of wood with knives, stilettos and daggers.

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    11. Re:What next? by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Or typing them into PCs or pads...maybe...

    12. Re:What next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this is why I homeschool. That and I live in Texas and want my children to get an actual education.

    13. Re:What next? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well... maybe not ban pencils... but perhaps force people to need a license to obtain a pencil- and maybe go through a 60 day wait period to stop crimes of passion.

      Pencils are a dangerous weapon!

      - I'm just not sure what they would use to fill out the application form for the license.

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    14. Re:What next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still have my "graphite" tattoo from 13 years ago...

    15. Re:What next? by Baloroth · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes?

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    16. Re:What next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's all fun and games, until someone gets whacked with an iPad. It hurts much more than getting hit with a paper notebook.

    17. Re:What next? by wjcofkc · · Score: 2

      When I was in 1st grade Joey B. asked Devin M. if he could borrow a piece of paper. Devin responded by taking his freshly sharpened pencil and driving it clean through Joeys hand.

      It was one of the coolest things I've ever seen.

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    18. Re:What next? by snowraver1 · · Score: 1

      Lucky!! I still have my tatoo from a pencil stabbing that happened over 15 years ago. It looks pretty much the same as it did 5 yeras ago. I don't thing it will ever dissapear. It it between my index and middle finger knuckles.

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    19. Re:What next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      You should join my movement: Occupy The Woods. It's all the fucking trees' fault. On the plus side, no one gives us all that much shit about setting up tents.

    20. Re:What next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think of all that glass if they break! You are not thinking like an individual who is thinking of the children! I've informed the central education authority who will personally be at your door step in 5 minutes to educate you how to properly think of the children.

    21. Re:What next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Human blood, of course.

    22. Re:What next? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      It could be because it was when I was quite young (probably about 7) so still growing. I'm much larger, obviously, than when I was 7 so I think it just stretch out until it was unnoticable.

      I could still make out the stab wound for several years... I guess it was about my teenage growth-spurt that I couldn't see it anymore.

      Might also matter where it is- mine was on my stomache... so softer tissue than between the fingers.

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    23. Re:What next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Will they ban pencils, because they can be sharpened into "stabbing weapons?"

      No joke, I went to this school. and I was once suspended for making stabbing gestures with a broken popcicle stick. My dad came in and yelled at the principle saying the only way I could have hurt someone is if I held them down and poked their eyes. I was probably in grade 5 at the time.

    24. Re:What next? by liquidweaver · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Right after the Columbine thing happend (I was in highschool), the school I was at started banning stuff left and right. Noting the ridiculousness in a very similar fashion to waht you are doing here, me and a few buddies printed out a ream of flyers declaring that "Sharp writing utensils, including pencils and pens will be confiscated" and that you have to use "approved safe" writing instruments like markers and crayons.

      We then snuck out during an assembly and taped them up everywhere. Amazing, noone got caught - but it was effective. A few students took them home, some discussion started, and some of the bans were lifted (including dusters/long coats).

      It was the proudest moment of highschool for me :)

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    25. Re:What next? by dmacleod808 · · Score: 1

      Wait, was it graphite or lead? Because IIRC the "lead" is actually "graphite with a clay binder"

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    26. Re:What next? by hldn · · Score: 2

      i also still have my graphite tattoo from 1997.. i gave a kid a flat tire as we were walking out of study hall and he instantly did some whirlwind ninja spin and stabbed me right in the arm with his pencil D;

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    27. Re:What next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still have one on my right index finger; it's been there for about 70 years now and shows no sign of fading. I don't remember just how I got stabbed, but the point broke off and stayed in, which is probably why the mark has lasted so long.

    28. Re:What next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Where I live there is a sport called softball which is insanely popular. It's played using leader balls stuffed with dry peat and contrary to what the name of the sport suggests, they're hard as stone. As someone who has once taken a very painful hit from one of those, I applaud the school's decision.
      Footballs (soccer balls) may sound less harmful, but players routine catch them with their heads and brain scans have revealed that standard issue footballs do cause brain damage. Children don't know this, and even if they did and cared, it's doubtful if it would stop them from playing in the face of boredom and peer pressure.

    29. Re:What next? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Technically it is graphite- but it is often called "lead" despite not containing any lead. I don't know why it is called lead- if it ever indeed contained lead.

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    30. Re:What next? by similar_name · · Score: 1

      I guess that's ok as long as it's not mine.

    31. Re:What next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the outlaw the pencils, then only outlaws will have pencils.

    32. Re:What next? by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

      I've had one of those at the base of my thumb for about 35 years. Graphite in the body is pretty durable, it seems.

    33. Re:What next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wish I had mod points. +1internets

    34. Re:What next? by residieu · · Score: 2

      I think you'll find Officer Bear has something a bit worse than pepper spray for you.

    35. Re:What next? by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wikipedia to the rescue! The Romans did lots of things with lead that you generally shouldn't, it seems.

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    36. Re:What next? by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 5, Funny

      Whacking someone with an iPad is against the EULA.

      Balls, lacking software, are not protected by IP laws. Ergo, iPads are safer than balls.

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    37. Re:What next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still have mine from 1977 and it still looks the same.

    38. Re:What next? by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 1

      Hey, I have one in the same place! Put a pencil in your pocket the wrong way too?

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    39. Re:What next? by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, no, you don't understand. Schools in the US "socialize" children in such a way that they will support "team sport" both as children and later as adults, which in turn pushes revenue to the town businesses when other teams come to town for competitions. The businesses, in turn, "rah rah" like crazy, perhaps even buy some uniforms for the kids. It's entirely financial. As far as injuries go, that's ok as long as the team can still play. My ex-wife, a surgeon, dealt with spleen and bone injuries on a regular basis from the local sports programs. A couple of real bad spinal injuries as well over the course of a decade. Trashed immune system? Broken growth plates? Destroyed knee? No problem! And it's always interesting to hear a coach tell the kids to really get in there and injure the opposition (or, in one case I know of, the opposing JV team.) "Gotta practice like you play, kids!"

      If government has a legitimate role here, it is educating kids. Reading, writing, math, history, civics, science, and so on. Not "sports." Kids should be done with school early and then, if they want sport, they should go to a private club or other entity that does the sport in question. School sports -- from taxpayer funded playing fields to the huge busses that carry the teams around -- are a huge misuse of tax money, and clear-headed parents don't support them in any way.

      There's another issue as well, and that is bullying/lording; kids in sports are inevitably given leeway and options that kids not in sports do not receive, and along with the whole snotty "I'm a football player / cheerleader and you're not" comes mistreatment and isolation. And don't even get me started on "sports scholarships" -- the very idea is a contradiction in terms. There's nothing "scholarly" about school sports at all. It's about money.

      It's bad enough that kids naturally aren't on an equal footing intelligence wise; that's something we have to deal with because they have to be educated anyway. There's no need to add an entirely superfluous level of ostracizing to the kid's lives.

      The small town I live in is saturated to the gills with child sports-related nonsense. It's a crying shame.

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    40. Re:What next? by lahvak · · Score: 1

      The form will have to be filled and signed in person with a pencil, of course. Maybe Vaclav Havel should write a play about it.

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    41. Re:What next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tennis elbow > paper cut: longer discomfort period and generates exponentially more apathy.

    42. Re:What next? by Sperbels · · Score: 1

      . I had a "graphite" tattoo where the lead entered me- faded over a few years- but it remained for a while.

      I still have mine... from 1985.

    43. Re:What next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone take out a circle of paper...

    44. Re:What next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've still got a small graphite tattoo about 45 years after an accidental pencil stabbing - consider yourself lucky!

    45. Re:What next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Occupy Paper?

    46. Re:What next? by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A pen?

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    47. Re:What next? by SeaFox · · Score: 5, Funny

      Good God man! Haven't you heard the pen is mightier than the sword!
      We can't have children carrying an item more deadly than a claymore.

    48. Re:What next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Amazing, noone got caught

      Until now... Mark.

    49. Re:What next? by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      I also was stabbed with a pencil, but I guess the lead worked it's way out or dissolved. I think we are up to 20 or so. A google search brings back 925,000 results. Maybe banning pencils has some merit.

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    50. Re:What next? by b5bartender · · Score: 1

      Wait, so early-20th century never actually had lead in the "lead," but they were coated in lead paint? Amazing...

    51. Re:What next? by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      Balls ... are not protected by IP ...

      Don't give Apple any ideas.

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    52. Re:What next? by shermo · · Score: 1

      I still have mine after 15+ years.

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    53. Re:What next? by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      Lead is a pretty lousy writing tool. Graphite is much darker and less shiny.

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    54. Re:What next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Crayon.

    55. Re:What next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IOW, you have some extra moderator in you.

    56. Re:What next? by blackicye · · Score: 1

      Well... maybe not ban pencils... but perhaps force people to need a license to obtain a pencil- and maybe go through a 60 day wait period to stop crimes of passion.

      Pencils are a dangerous weapon!

      - I'm just not sure what they would use to fill out the application form for the license.

      Blood.

    57. Re:What next? by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

      Haven't seen "The Bourne Identity?"

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    58. Re:What next? by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 1

      Say what you want but Canadians certainly are polite!

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    59. Re:What next? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      If government has a legitimate role here, it is educating kids. Reading, writing, math, history, civics, science, and so on. Not "sports." Kids should be done with school early and then, if they want sport, they should go to a private club or other entity that does the sport in question. School sports -- from taxpayer funded playing fields to the huge busses that carry the teams around -- are a huge misuse of tax money, and clear-headed parents don't support them in any way.

      Trust me, you will want the government funding physical education unless you want to choke on the health costs later, it's a damn good investment compared to many of the other subjects. That said:

      1) American football or any other heavy contact sport was never on the program. The closest was soccer and they didn't allow very rough tackles.
      2) There was no "competing against other schools" or anything like an audience. Split the class in half, balance the teams out and that was it.

      If anything, with the current generation spending more time on IM and computers games it's even more important than before they get some minimum of exercise. If you say it's the parents' job, well many in the US say the same for their whole education. I disagree on both points, the government has a responsibility for both their physical and mental well-being.

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    60. Re:What next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know, right? At first, I thought they meant as in hard baseballs (as opposed to softballs). Seriously though, soccer balls? TENNIS?! It'd be easier to kill someone by hitting them with a textbook than with a freaking tennis ball!

      So much for the Canadians being the saner half of North America... Except, if someone hasn't already done it and just escaped notice, I'm sure some idiots in the US will go "Oh, that's a great idea! FOR THE CHILDRENZ!!!1ONE"

      People depress me sometimes...

    61. Re:What next? by FranktehReaver · · Score: 1

      Only writing utensil in schools should be edible finger paint! And hence forwarth all desk and chairs shall be made out of fun noodles and nerf!

    62. Re:What next? by FranktehReaver · · Score: 1

      lol. I remember in late Elementary school we would play softball and this kid was screwing around as the catcher jumping out in front of the batter to catch the ball. Well the batter got mad and was like now I am drilling this ball home. Well catcher screw around decided ill jump around from other side so he stepped around batters blind spot and tried to leap in front as the ball was coming. Yeah.... Batter swung and nailed the kid in the face with a full out swing. Our school stopped out Softball games for the year, it was rather upsetting.

    63. Re:What next? by FranktehReaver · · Score: 1

      I worked with a guy that was a "college" educated man because of a sports scholarship. He was dumber than a box of hammers. He was building a cart to put these parts on we made (Granted I was the guy on the line at the time making these parts) and everyone was making fun of how big the wheels where on the little cart. I walked up and decided to poke some fun as well and was like why did you get such big wheels? You going off roading? He got upset and went "No! The carts need to hold 5,000 lbs of weight so I got the only wheels rated for 5,000 lbs!!" I laughed and went "Yeah but you are putting 5 wheels on these carts, 1 in each corner and one in the middle." He replied with "And?!" I said "And!! You could of got 1,000lb capacity wheels because no one wheel is supporting all the weight. And if anything 2,000lb wheels just to be safe." He stood there for about a solid minute thinking and just went whatever and went back into the office. lol

    64. Re:What next? by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Or staph infection.

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    65. Re:What next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got stabbed in the arm with a pencil when a friend and I were playing "swords" in seventh grade. It left a graphite stain where it went under the skin. It's still there, 35 years later. And I've managed to survive, somehow.

      The real solution to this: ban schools.

    66. Re:What next? by Pope · · Score: 1

      I propose that all balls be protected by In Pants laws, as surely these modern children must!

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    67. Re:What next? by macbeth66 · · Score: 1

      But what is the point to living if we have to live in fear of death all the time. Don't you think it would be a better world if we could all live in a safe environment? Give up a little to get safety?

    68. Re:What next? by Gravitron+5000 · · Score: 1

      Well... maybe not ban pencils... but perhaps force people to need a license to obtain a pencil- and maybe go through a 60 day wait period to stop crimes of passion.

      ... like bad poetry.

    69. Re:What next? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Huh? No reward without risk? That sounds like a gambler's creed. I go to work every day, do what the boss asks (no risk there!), and I'm rewarded with a paycheck. No risk taken at all.

      I pick up my guitar and play it alone for my enjoyment, instant reward, no risk whatever.

      I read a book checked out from the library. Learning? Learning is rewarding, and completely risk free.

      Where do you guys come up with such obviously false memes?

      Do I think all risks should be prevented? No, that's not only stupid, it's impossible. Should we prevent as many risks as we can without harming the risky activity? Of course, that's just logical. Only an idiot would get on a professional football field without a helmet. Only an idiot races his car without safety belts.

      Unless, of course, you're talking about the risks to society by gambling on the stock market or commodity futures, hell yea get rid of those risks. You want to risk your own money, fine, leave mine alone.

    70. Re:What next? by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      Trust me, you will want the government funding physical education unless you want to choke on the health costs later

      Considering how damned fat the younger generations are, I think you're going to have to come up with a little proof there, fellow, because I don't see how PE has done anything for anybody. The jocks on the football team? Obese before age 35. Damned lot of good PE did them. They would have been far better off learning that you don't use an apostrophe with plural's,* and their "they're" is there. The internet shows me that they're playing FAR too many sports and doing FAR too little reading (or any other kind of learning).

      When I was a kid, we actually went outside and played -- getting exercise -- without any damned adults at all. Play and exercise come natural to children. Baseball, football (in the street, no less), riding our bikes... we got plenty of exercise. But back then we didn't have every goddamned newspaper and TV and radio station warning us that there was a pedohile behind every bush just waiting to rape and kill all the children. We were actually allowed outside, unsupervised!

      Odd, the world has become far less risky now than then. We had no ABS, air bags, seat belts, bicycle helmets, child seats, hazard warnings on everything imaginable... and we didn't cower in fear every damned day like the kids do now.

      Balls? Grow a pair and let your kids outside!

      * caught that, did you?

    71. Re:What next? by egranlund · · Score: 1

      You joke... but I did get stabbed with a pencil on the playground. I had a "graphite" tattoo where the lead entered me- faded over a few years- but it remained for a while.

      Hah, I still have a piece of graphite in my finger from childhood. I think it was accidentally self inflicted though :P

    72. Re:What next? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      You sir are my hero.

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    73. Re:What next? by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      Trust me, you will want the government funding physical education

      a), that doesn't seem to be the case (they ARE funding phys-ed, and the entire country is getting fat) and b), phys-ed != "sports"

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    74. Re:What next? by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      Slashdot's little pearl of wisdom as I was reading your post: "Universities are places of knowledge. The freshman each bring a little in with them, and the seniors take none away, so knowledge accumulates." lol

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    75. Re:What next? by Transaction7 · · Score: 1

      Viva! IAAL. The loophole is that a rule banning pencils does not cover BIC pens, the uses of which both as surgical instruments and as weapons in student revolutions were covered in a revolutionary tract, reproduced and widely published by the DOD, I read in high school long, long ago. They started banning things when I started school in 1945, and I think balls were the only thing not banned by the time I somehow lived to graduate. Geography books are definitely "deadly weapons" under Texas law, where the definition aptly starts with the word "anything." I missed some school after being bashed over the head with one by an older known bully and getting a concussion. There is something about school rules that exempts them from any check on absurdity. Surely this one will be rescinded.

    76. Re:What next? by Transaction7 · · Score: 1

      Hey, we've solved that problem. We no longer teach half of them to read and write even simple business letters. The pen is only mightier if you know how to use it.

  4. Well... by RPGillespie · · Score: 1, Insightful

    In the days where there are lawsuit trolls roaming the earth trying to turn any mishap into $$$, I can't really blame them.

    1. Re:Well... by chispito · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In the days where there are lawsuit trolls roaming the earth trying to turn any mishap into $$$, I can't really blame them.

      Of course, take it out on the kids instead of the lawyers or politicians that allow the lawyers to conduct business as they do.

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    2. Re:Well... by thedonger · · Score: 1

      In the days where there are lawsuit trolls roaming the earth trying to turn any mishap into $$$, I can't really blame them.

      Of course, take it out on the kids instead of the lawyers or politicians that allow the lawyers to conduct business as they do.

      Now that is insightful. Seriously, what is next? Broken legs are bad. Everyone is to have their legs removed to avoid law suits from leg injuries.

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    3. Re:Well... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      When I was a kid we were banned from throwing snowballs in the winter. They told us there could be a piece of ice inside that would take someone's eye out.

      So the snowball fights had to wait until after school :-(

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    4. Re:Well... by Slyfox696 · · Score: 1

      I somehow doubt the school has much control or influence over either the lawyers or the politicians.

    5. Re:Well... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      What's cheaper for the school? Going after the lawyers and politicians, or printing a few hundred letters and sending them home with the kids?

      No contest, from the schools point of view.

      When I was at school, we weren't allowed to throw snowballs when it snowed, and we were only allowed soft soccer balls during winter periods when the playing fields were closed during "recess" and we had to play on the concrete areas. This was 20 years ago...

    6. Re:Well... by chispito · · Score: 0

      Probably not, but caving in shouldn't be the answer.

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    7. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the days where there are lawsuit trolls roaming the earth trying to turn any mishap into $$$, I can't really blame them.

      Of course, take it out on the kids instead of the lawyers or politicians that allow the lawyers to conduct business as they do.

      I'd like to point out that this is in Canada. The reasons that pushes this school to ban hard balls has nothing to do with being protected against possible lawsuits. Canadians do not sue for any possible reasons, courts do not accept frivolous cases. I'm sure they genuinely want to avoid kids getting hurt, just like when the high school my kids are attending had ban any products with peanuts from lunches that are eaten in the school cafeteria, even if my kids aren't allergic to peanuts.

    8. Re:Well... by broken_chaos · · Score: 1

      Honestly, it's not like that in Canada. These guys are just batshit insane.

    9. Re:Well... by a_hanso · · Score: 1

      In the days where there are lawsuit trolls roaming the earth trying to turn any mishap into $$$, I can't really blame them.

      That's the problem. Every negative thing is can be litigated. Exposure to negatives and risks is an essential part of growing up. I suffered plenty of cuts and bruises growing up, had to learn to stand up to bullies, had to learn that I couldn't afford everything I saw in a shop window, had to learn that I had to look after myself when my parents were too busy etc. Today, I'm happy I had to. Every other species on the planet has to go through this process.

      I'd hate to see what the world will be like when these kids are in charge.

    10. Re:Well... by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      So the snowball fights had to wait until after school
      That's fine with the schools. Just don't get hurt on their watch. For largely the same reasons, they stopped bussing where I live except for handicapped and kids who live over one mile away from the school. Partly it saved direct costs of the buses, but it also saved liability costs of kids getting hurt on buses, getting in fights, etc. Now, instead of 10 buses running around picking up children and dropping them off at school, there are 600 cars taking their kids to school at the same time as another 600 kids are walking the neighborhood streets on the way to school. The actual danger to each child is probably 10 times as high, but the liability is not on the school, so they don't care.

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    11. Re:Well... by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      Lawsuits like this in Canada are much less frequent than in the United States. For one, settlements are much, much less, sometimes by orders of magnitude. It is much easier for the defense to claim for legal fees from the plaintiffs if they successfully defend themselves, especially if the judge determines that the cases was frivolous. That is why you also see less speculative law suits in Canada. There have been some million dollar settlements but these are the exception rather than the rule... they are very rare. The laws here make it much more difficult for a blame someone else for my stupidity kind of case. Mind you it hasn't stopped the nanny state from really setting in, as this story illustrates. The left wing politically correct in Toronto are sickening.

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    12. Re:Well... by quenda · · Score: 1

      there are 600 cars taking their kids to school at the same time as another 600 kids are walking

      So ban car drop-offs with less than four kids. It might do something about the diabetes and obesity epidemics as well.

    13. Re:Well... by Slyfox696 · · Score: 1

      It's not caving in, it's protecting their collective asses. Unfortunately, even as schools are taking on more and more responsibilities for raising children (at least in the US, cannot speak for Canada), their exposure to lawsuits keep increasing. In this day and age of everyone wanting money for nothing, people suing for spilling coffee on themselves and lawyers being expensive no matter who wins, it's in the school's best interest to avoid an instance of a lawsuit. This is not the fault of the school system, but rather of society.

    14. Re:Well... by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 1

      Seriously, what is next?

      Sue the school for the phisycal training and education your kid is missing due to the rules against balls.

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    15. Re:Well... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I'd hate to see what the world will be like when these kids are in charge.

      Maybe it's because of how old I'm getting, but it looks to me like the kids ARE in charge. The people in charge sure seem a lot more childish than I was when I was ten. Not to mention more greedy, selfish, thoughtless, authoritarian, and cowardly.

  5. So I should stop by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 0

    Ban on hard balls- does that mean I should stop using the thigh master with my sack?

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    1. Re:So I should stop by Surt · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, I think anyone who has started that practice should probably never stop ... best for the gene pool really.

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  6. Ballocks! by rts008 · · Score: 1

    Yep, that says it all.

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  7. Re:This is why socialism doesn't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I call bullshit, you are a passive aggressive American who wants to paint socialism in a shitty light. This has nothing to do with Canada's economy.

  8. Hard Balls? by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Funny
    I envisioned a baseball or a softball (a large baseball that isn't really soft).

    soccer ball, football, volleyball or even tennis ball

    None of those listed are even hard! What do they consider soft, Nerf?

    1. Re:Hard Balls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I envisioned a baseball or a softball (a large baseball that isn't really soft).

      soccer ball, football, volleyball or even tennis ball

      None of those listed are even hard! What do they consider soft, Nerf?

      Furballs.

      Apparently neighbourhood cats with stomach upset are now more than welcome to loiter around the playgrounds.

    2. Re:Hard Balls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      None of those listed are even hard! What do they consider soft, Nerf?

      yes, that's exactly what they mean.

    3. Re:Hard Balls? by Trogre · · Score: 4, Funny

      In fact that is the school's new slogan: Nerf or nothing.

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    4. Re:Hard Balls? by Zaphod+The+42nd · · Score: 3, Informative

      TFA says nerf and sponge balls only. Its pretty sad. :(

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    5. Re:Hard Balls? by Kabuthunk · · Score: 1

      That was my first thought.

      My second thought was "Time to buy me some stocks in Nerf... their value is about to skyrocket"

      Course... they tend to be form-molded, which has edges that can be kinda scratchy sorta. Perhaps I should go back a step and get stocks in sponge manufacturers instead.

      Or both... can't hurt *ducks*

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    6. Re:Hard Balls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So they nerfed hard balls?

      In other news, boy loses eye playing catch with a rock. Film at 11.

    7. Re:Hard Balls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you get a football in the face, I think you'll agree with the classification of it being hard.

    8. Re:Hard Balls? by evil_aaronm · · Score: 2

      How the fuck are they supposed to play lacrosse? Try playing that with a Nerf ball.
      Or are they banning lacrosse, too, because you might hit someone?
      Getting beaned with a speeding lacrosse ball teaches you to pay attention to your surroundings. Good lesson to learn. Why do they want their kids to be dumb? (Rhetorical, folks - don't need an answer...)

    9. Re:Hard Balls? by Culture20 · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you get a football in the face, I think you'll agree with the classification of it being hard.

      I have (both soccer and pigskin), and I don't agree. I've also been hit in the face with a baseball, so I know what's hard (pain lasting weeks), and what isn't (a bloodied nose for a few minutes).

    10. Re:Hard Balls? by sjames · · Score: 1

      They'll be banned in the next 5 years as kids far too dumbed down to be viable start suffocating when they try to inhale the Nerf balls.

    11. Re:Hard Balls? by residieu · · Score: 1

      My first thought was no baseballs, just softballs. That might be somewhat reasonable, a baseball can be thrown faster than a softball and people do get real injuries from them. I never expected anything this stupid.

    12. Re:Hard Balls? by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Softballs can get up to a good clip once they're hit (and even while thrown), and they're almost as dense as baseballs, but with only slightly more mass.

    13. Re:Hard Balls? by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

      I could see banning hardballs. Even when I was in primary school (seventies) they weren't allowed. Anything else was fine, including bringing your own bat for playing softball at lunch and recess, something many of us did. They were better than the school bats.

    14. Re:Hard Balls? by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      I could see banning hardballs. Even when I was in primary school (seventies) they weren't allowed.

      Yes, the rot had already set in by then.

      Why, in the fifties not only did we walk uphill both ways in the snow, we had balls. Hard ones.

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    15. Re:Hard Balls? by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      I get it now! The heads of the school are colluding with Hasbro!

      "Since we've banned all these balls, our phys-ed department needs to go buy newer safer ones for the children."

    16. Re:Hard Balls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You will notice that there is no mention of the word puck here. I suspect that if pucks were banned a riot would ensue.

    17. Re:Hard Balls? by MicktheMech · · Score: 1

      Just in case that was a serious comment: Pucks are rarely used by kids outside organized leagues, because they only really work on smooth ice surfaces. Unfortunately, ice time is expensive and hard to come by.

      Street Hockey (or ball hockey) is generally played with tennis balls or hard orange hockey balls. These would fall under the ban. However, in my experience, you'd have a harder time getting the sticks into the school, so it's kind of a moot point.

    18. Re:Hard Balls? by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      In fact that is the school's new slogan: Nerf or nothing.
      Slogan? No. It's in the name. Welcome to Earl Beatty Public School, brought to you by a grant from the Nerf foundation.

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    19. Re:Hard Balls? by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

      >>soccer ball, football, volleyball or even tennis ball
      >>None of those listed are even hard! What do they consider soft, Nerf?

      Having taken a header to a water-soaked soccer ball on a cold January afternoon, I can tell you that they can indeed hit like a bag of rocks. After a while, our coach noticed that nobody was trying to even go for the corner kicks he was lobbing at us. =)

      But mostly they're safe. I've cracked a kid full in the face with a hard spike in volleyball, and besides stinging a bit (especially to the pride), he was just fine. The ball bounced off his face and hit the ceiling of the gym.

    20. Re:Hard Balls? by squizzar · · Score: 1

      Ever wonder why cricket helmets are mandatory for children? A friend of mine is part of that reason...

    21. Re:Hard Balls? by Iberian · · Score: 1

      Just how much force do you think a 5th grader can apply to a soccer ball or an American football?

    22. Re:Hard Balls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A kid I knew in elementary school nearly lost his eye from a nerf soccer ball.

      Trick is those foam things have seams. The seams can be a bit sharp and stick out a bit.

      He was hit in the face rather hard with a nerf ball and the seam sliced open his his eyeball.

      The doctor said if it had been a real soccer ball it probably wouldn't have caused any damage.

      But... these things happen. It's insane to ban soccer balls...

      Ban Nerf!!

    23. Re:Hard Balls? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I grew up in the '50s. We couldn't afford hills. But we did play hardball, and walk a mile to school in waist deep snow. And I agree with you, these young people are pussies.

  9. Are you from penn state? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Stop thinking of the children and their balls.. That's not what we ment when we said 'think of the children'.

  10. Public Education at it's Best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where I come from, they're called public schools.

    1. Re:Public Education at it's Best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Where I come from, they're called public schools."

      Yeah, probably, but they obviously didn't teach you proper use of apostrophes.

      Public Education at its Best - FTFY

    2. Re:Public Education at it's Best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Where I come from, they're called public schools."

      Yeah, probably, but they obviously didn't teach you proper use of apostrophes.

      Public Education at its Best - FTFY

      At the risk of being trolled, what is wrong with his use of apostrophes?

    3. Re:Public Education at it's Best by residieu · · Score: 2

      The comment subject say "Public Education at it's Best". its is the correct word. Of course nobody reads the comment subjects, that's why you missed it.

    4. Re:Public Education at it's Best by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 1

      He's probably also replying because an earlier comment said there their and they're in a mystical way that confused me. That is not hard as its 7.45am and I have already hit the bong.

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  11. Absurd of course, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The actions of this school are of course absurd, and they are being made fun of for good reason across the globe.

    Except - I must point out one fact. Most US schools don't even have recess anymore. Having a ball to play with would be pointless.

    _Am

    1. Re:Absurd of course, but... by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      What? Most US public elementary schools have recess, and all US public schools are required to have physical education.

      Imagine high school PE without any "balls" allowed (soccer, softball, football, basketball, etc). And of course, that must imply getting rid of any other "dangerous" sports, so there goes all of the gymnastics equipment, floor hockey (the plastic puck might be ok, but letting kids carry 5' long sticks? The horror!), wrestling mats (it's like publicly sanctioned ultimate fighting!), and for those wealthier schools, water polo or swimming (better not teach kids how to swim, someone could drown!)

      So it will basically become a bunch of kids running around a track, or on rainy/snowy days standing in a gym doing jumping jacks. On the bright side, it makes me glad I'm old, and not growing up in today's nanny state.

    2. Re:Absurd of course, but... by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 5, Informative

      Granted, I am probably the first person to RTFA, but of course, despite the play to the aesthetics of outrage, the true story is less absurd, less dramatic:

      1. the "ban" is temporary until they can find a better solution to the problem

      2. the problem is not that the precious little angels might get hit by balls, it's that the play area is much too small, making accidents too likely.

      But don't let me stop the hand-wringing. Carry on, carry on.

    3. Re:Absurd of course, but... by sjames · · Score: 1

      I think we can still safely call it incredibly stupid. They say the most 'serious' incident so far is that an adult was hit in the head w/ a soccer ball. Then they claim it caused a concussion?!? I don't care if the school includes "Moose" McCormick who has repeated the 3rd grade 20 times, no student has the strength to cause a concussion with a soccer ball, many players get hit in the head with a soccer ball on purpose repeatedly throughout the game.

    4. Re:Absurd of course, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, we're supposed to get all bent out of shape because of some imaginary dystopic nightmare you keep having? The article makes it clear they're trying to protect kids and adults coming in and out of the day care which is also on site. When I grew up, baseball courts had fences. No one was crying nanny state about it. Can't you anti-government cry babies find a real issue to go after?

    5. Re:Absurd of course, but... by residieu · · Score: 1

      There's a difference between heading the soccer ball, and getting hit in the face with it (or somewhere else unexpectedly). I doubt the seriousness of the risk of concussion from soccer balls at schoolyard, though.

    6. Re:Absurd of course, but... by sjames · · Score: 1

      I've experienced both and never came close to a concussion. While the face hit does sting a bit, I doubt any more force if delivered to the brain than when you head the ball.

    7. Re:Absurd of course, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What the hell is a baseball court?

    8. Re:Absurd of course, but... by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 1

      It's where you get sent if you get caught stealing

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  12. This follows the ban... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...on foot-long hot dogs.

  13. Slashdot, what is up today? by Baloroth · · Score: 5, Funny

    First, a story about a Boeing "Penetrator". Now, a summary about balls. "In an attempt to finally "think of the children" Earl Beatty Publid school has prohibited students from playing with balls" practically shoves it in your face. Dick jokes... actually, are still pretty funny. Nevermind go right ahead.

    The ban on hard balls being brought to school is a “proactive measure. It’s also a preventative measure,”

    Yes. That would work as a preventative too. Most schools take a slightly... different approach, but I suppose banning balls period works too. To prevent head injuries.

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  14. Ah Pocket Billiards on a cold day... by TooTechy · · Score: 2

    How can they ban this?

  15. Re:pencils can be sharpened into "stabbing weapons by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 2
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  16. Food by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Baby food might be a good idea if you want to reduce choking hazard.

  17. What, no fences? by ackthpt · · Score: 1

    Almost as wacky, I mean, zany; no, I mean bombastic as US laws .. or so I'm led to believe by the news these days.

    Probably next ban saying "Eh!"

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  18. Title Should Be by arthurpaliden · · Score: 3, Funny

    Distinct possibility of frivolous lawsuits cause ban on hard balls at Toronto school.

    1. Re:Title Should Be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Distinct possibility of frivolous lawsuits cause ban on hard balls at Toronto school.

      Being Toronto, does Canada actually suffer from the same problems we have here in the US?

    2. Re:Title Should Be by arthurpaliden · · Score: 1

      It is starting to.

  19. Re:pencils can be sharpened into "stabbing weapons by mug+funky · · Score: 1

    i was expecting the old governor to say "knives and stabbing weapons"

  20. Vote out the school board!! by ShavedOrangutan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    November 7, the entire school board for my county of 60,000 residents went up for election. Only 2000 people voted. Several of the board members ran uncontested. The rest were reelected.

    If you don't like crap like this, get yourself or someone you trust on the school board. It can't be that hard!

    The general voting public ignores local politics, which is much more important for day to day life.

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    1. Re:Vote out the school board!! by tepples · · Score: 2

      get yourself or someone you trust on the school board

      Does serving on the school board require experience as a licensed teacher?

    2. Re:Vote out the school board!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, of course not; requiring people in charge to know what they're doing is crazy.

      It generally requires (in my jurisdiction, last I checked, your mileage may vary, etc):
      1) an age above 18, and
      2) a plurality of voters.

    3. Re:Vote out the school board!! by ShaunC · · Score: 1

      I suppose that might vary by jurisdiction, but in Memphis, it's sure as heck not a requirement. I'm not certain that all of our school board members can even read.

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    4. Re:Vote out the school board!! by ShavedOrangutan · · Score: 1

      Nope. It's an elected office just like any other. It pays six figures, too.

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    5. Re:Vote out the school board!! by Shotgun · · Score: 0

      I hope you're not suggesting that being a licensed teacher implies in any way that someone knows anything about teaching or even children. If you are, I ask that you take a momentary look at what passes for the US school system.

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    6. Re:Vote out the school board!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shit, it pays nothing here, which means only retarded do-gooders run. Maybe I should talk my wife into running, and then depoy as soon as she gets sworn in and has to deal with the idiots again.

    7. Re:Vote out the school board!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Toronto, we don't vote for our school board, we vote for school trustees who guide the board.

    8. Re:Vote out the school board!! by WiiVault · · Score: 1

      Sadly the same shit seems to happen everywhere. People are so hyper-focused on national politics they seem to forget the even greater power wielded over them by these often uncontested small time publicity whores. Go to any major city's council meeting when there isn't a hot button issue and the place is like a ghost town.

    9. Re:Vote out the school board!! by WiiVault · · Score: 2

      You mean we should just ignore the multitude of shitty lazy parents and instead blame the people who bothered to get educated just to work low paying thankless jobs and have to put up with said shitty parents when Junior doesn't get the grade they think he deserves? I'm not a teacher, and I can't think of any that I know personally, but I don't think teachers have changed much in the last 50 years, its students and by extension the parents who are increasingly overworked or just lazy, disinterested in their kids, and wholly unwilling to hold up their end of the bargain by reading to their kids, limiting TV/gaming time, and monitoring their academic progress. I remember lots of crappy teachers in my medium sized city schools, but compared with the kind of "parenting" I see today in public almost daily, the teachers seem quite competent by and large. You have to be licensed to be a teach in most locals, too bad its impossible to do the same with parents who act like parenting is some horrible burden imposed on them, and the little monsters they raised from birth, and live with 15 hours a day must be due to somebody else. Check out the stats comparing the success of kids who parents give two craps about their kids with the parents who treat their kids like baggage.

    10. Re:Vote out the school board!! by swalve · · Score: 2

      Yes. Teaching and schools were invented because "shitty lazy parents" were no good at educating their own kids. Blaming the parents is a complete cop out. Kids whose parents care will do better, but kids whose parents don't care still have to get educated.

  21. More trash on /. by rish87 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Why is this on here?! This is not at all tech or nerd related and it is completely overblown. If your RTFA you'll see it is ONE SCHOOL enacting a temporary measure because they have 350 kids on a playground that is too small which also includes a day care with toddlers. I don't even know why the "toronto news" thought this was newsworthy let alone slashdot.

    1. Re:More trash on /. by thomasw_lrd · · Score: 1

      Because it involves balls and Coxwell. The new editors are two teenage boys that live in Sandusky's basement.

    2. Re:More trash on /. by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 3, Funny

      Because chubby tech-geeks in their big chairs like to feel smug about how the Nanny State is taking away their time-travel-based rights to return to elementary school and get hit by a baseball, like God intended?

  22. Big Nerf! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Proof of the Big Nerf Industrial Complex is alive and well, and heavily lobbying in Canada...

  23. Was it a specific letter? by gringer · · Score: 1

    no child could bring a soccer ball, football, volleyball or even tennis ball

    Better learn cricket or hockey then. Those games have nice soft balls that are completely armless.

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    1. Re:Was it a specific letter? by Shotgun · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't think they banned balls with arms.

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    2. Re:Was it a specific letter? by sjames · · Score: 1

      Perhaps they should take up overhand bowling.

  24. Re:This is why socialism doesn't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This has nothing to do with socialism. When I went to a catholic high school 30 years ago (yes, 1981), hard balls were banned. We were only allowed to use soft balls which were being sold in the school shop.

  25. This is Getting Out of Hand by Casper0082 · · Score: 2

    This whole "think of the children" is getting out of hand. I remember growing up climbing trees, using a tall spiral slide, and playing on monkey bars. Could I have gotten hurt? Sure, but scrapes, bruises, and learning how to fall is a part of growing up. If you remove all possible ways for a child to develop his motor skills and learn how to deal with an occasional "oops" when they get hurt, we are going to grow up with a bunch of kids who prefer to sit out of sports and other social events.

    This is life, shit happens. People can get hurt and or killed at any point in their life. Banning sports balls is not the answer.

    1. Re:This is Getting Out of Hand by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 1

      I agree with you completely, and suggest also that if we as a culture continue down this path of protecting the little ones to the maximum possible degree.
      In a generation or so, we are going to have a lot of 18 year old people dying as soon as they stop being protected.

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    2. Re:This is Getting Out of Hand by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 1

      In a generation or so, we are going to have a lot of 18 year old people dying as soon as they stop being protected.

      I really dont want to wait that long?

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  26. When I was a kid... by IpSo_ · · Score: 2

    We used to use these so called "hard" balls explicitly to throw at people with the intent to hit them. I believe they called it a "game"... Ball tag?

    Schools will attempt to ban any and everything that could possibly be fun even if there is no chance of someone getting hurt (trading hockey cards was banned from my elementary school), its ridiculous.

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    1. Re:When I was a kid... by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, back in elementary school, we used to play a game with tennis balls. One person threw the ball at a brick wall. The other kids tried to catch it. If you touched the ball but didn't catch it (or dropped it), you had to run and touch the wall. If someone else caught the ball and hit the wall with the ball before you could touch it, then you had to stand up against the wall and let that person throw the ball right at you. Fun game, and in all the years we played it, no one ever got hurt other than some scrapes from running into the wall real hard.

      Of course, in middle school, we had to change how we played kickball. You could throw the ball at someone and hit them to get them out, but one time someone got hit in the head and fell into the wall. But until then, the PE teachers actually ENCOURAGED us to throw the ball at other kids.

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    2. Re:When I was a kid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We called it brandy because of the explicit intent to 'brand' our opponents with bruises.

    3. Re:When I was a kid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hah we used to play that (was called Pork at the school I was at at the time). Once in my rush to touch the wall without being nailed, i slammed my hand against it and broke it.

      I didn't complain, and in fact went on to win a music contest later that day for my trumpet w/ piano piece with my right hand all swollen crazy. Still one of the weirder anecdotes to get tossed about when family is together, and it taught me a) enough momentum and a wrong angle can be very bad for the hands and b) I tend to perform better when i know i already have an excuse for failure. Weird stuff.

      The best part is that I'm dead serious.

    4. Re:When I was a kid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We used to use these so called "hard" balls explicitly to throw at people with the intent to hit them. I believe they called it a "game".

      Banning this should be great news for nerds everywhere

    5. Re:When I was a kid... by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      Heh, we played something similar. We also had a variation of Frisbee we called 'Tron.' In a nut shell, if the frisbee hits you, then the ground, your opponent gains a point. Popular targets were forehead, knees, throat, ankles, bridge of the nose.

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  27. Cencorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is it not tagged yro?

  28. What about rocks? by wisnoskij · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Rocks are not balls and you can still play catch, baseball, hockey, etc. with them.

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    1. Re:What about rocks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is Canada. Rocks are unavailable for much of the year (under snow).

  29. Sounds like... by bsharp8256 · · Score: 1

    They're playing hardball.

    1. Re:Sounds like... by FranktehReaver · · Score: 1

      *CSI Miami Intro Song*

  30. Err by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My English school banned hard balls in the playground in the 1980s (for fear of windows more than of kids, I'm fairly sure). We played with sponge balls instead. I'm fairly sure it didn't irreparably damage my childhood. Or make the international news.

  31. Solution: Helmets for wimpy parents by superdave80 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ..the most serious injury at the school to date involved a parent, who was hit in the head by a soccer ball and suffered a concussion.

    If that parent can suffer a concussion from a soccer ball kicked by a kid then they need to wear a helmet whenever they leave the house. Don't punish everybody else for having a skull made out of jello.

  32. Typical by Mashiki · · Score: 1

    Well this is toronto, so it's pretty damn typical of the over-reaction. Then again this is the same city that has flown in the face and allowed segregated based schools, and religious discrimination to occur on the tax payer dole, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

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  33. Re:What about rocks? Pointy ones only please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Round rocks ARE balls!

  34. How does this educate kids ? by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1

    Kids learn by doing things. Some things have nice results, some are unpleasant. They don't do the unpleasant things again. Part of the reason for having them learn in a school is that it is an environment where they can be guided and with adults around the effects of the unpleasant can be switfly dealt with.

    So kids will now not learn that intercepting a hard ball with your head might hurt. They will do that outside of school where if they get knocked down there will not be a responsible adult who can act swiftly -- on the rare occasion that it might be needed. Tell me: is that better or worse for the kids ?

    What this is about is cowardly school staff that want to avoid any scintilla of responsibility for minor accidents. The are completely aborgating their responsibility, the responsibility that we expect them to take, the responsibility for which they are paid. Shame of these pathetic, lilly livered apologies for teachers. The only thing that they deserve is our utter contempt.

    Their co-conspiritors in this are the money grabbing lawyers who encourage people to sue over exaggerated injuries. They do this not to recompense someone for a trivial bump on the head but to swell their own incomes.

    At the end of it: society is poorer for this sort of mentality.

    1. Re:How does this educate kids ? by sjames · · Score: 1

      Just as importantly, they learn that there are plenty of things painful enough that you'd rather not do it again but nevertheless it's hardly the end of the world if it does happen.

    2. Re:How does this educate kids ? by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 1

      What this is about is cowardly school staff that want to avoid any scintilla of responsibility for minor accidents. The are completely aborgating their responsibility, the responsibility that we expect them to take, the responsibility for which they are paid. Shame of these pathetic, lilly livered apologies for teachers. The only thing that they deserve is our utter contempt.

      No. You deserve contempt. Do you have any idea what bullshit teachers go through on a daily basis?

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  35. Aliens, the time to invade is now! by multiben · · Score: 1

    Attention all aliens. Earth is now ripe for invasion. Our descent towards a population composed only of pudgy, pale, velvet skinned meat bags of banality is almost complete. There will be no fight - we are all too busy playing with dolls in the shade.

    1. Re:Aliens, the time to invade is now! by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 2

      Ick. No thank you! We like ours spicy, a little chewy and with a bit of fight left in them. After all, half the fun is chasing 'em down and catching them. Weren't you paying attention when we got Hollywood to make our "Predator" movies?

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  36. Chuck Norris by abonstu · · Score: 1

    need not apply.

  37. In their Defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, this is ridiculous, but it has always annoyed me that some people believe that they have the right to throw these things wherever they please. In class, knocking over stuff, making messes, and they think that it is fine. So, I kind of agree with them.

  38. I brought the orange one, and the orange one by xrayspx · · Score: 1

    Why do people really need to worry about this? Kids play, they get hurt, they get better, and stronger, and hopefully smarter. I propose we buy little Aerons for all schoolkids because those plastic stackable chairs suck and will hurt their backs. Many kids aren't athletic, and that's fine, but many/most kids like playing throw/hit the ball games, and they should be allowed to.

    /'bout the biggest pair you've ever seen, dingleberry!

    1. Re:I brought the orange one, and the orange one by Chrontius · · Score: 1

      Actually, I support replacing those miserable excretedextruded-plastic chairs with something, anything less unpleasant. More than anything else in my primary and secondary education including getting tripped down the stairs, those chairs made me miserable for twelve years. There are better stackable chair designs now, and a great many of them are also durable enough to tolerate schoolchildren for years. They could also improve them by making them less flat and prone to sliding, or by giving them more back support - those things allow one to slouch incredibly low or sit as if on a stool, but are miserable for more than an hour or so.

    2. Re:I brought the orange one, and the orange one by xrayspx · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I kind of do to. Those chairs suck. I think the problem is that all the really good designs are patented forever, so we can't just start having the Chinese stamp out stackable Eames chairs by the millions. Perhaps my sarcasm has turned into another fine reason for patent reform?

      Another reason for it is that until later in high school I was way taller than most kids in my class, and the chairs are for average height. I'm sure short people had similar problems.

  39. What do you expect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a publid school. Thery're not too bright there, can't even spell.

  40. Beyond reasonable by failedlogic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Many kids today are inactive and do everything to play sports. School is an environment to grow, learn, play and socialize. Sports seems to fit this very well.

    A colleague of mine at work said their 8 yr old son was sent home from school on Halloween, because their outfit was 'too scary'. The parents got a letter and other kids were apparently dismissed. He had a mummy or vampire costume mom had made him.

    I don't have kids yet. It seems odd that the generation that grew out of having hippie pot smoking, acid dropping, heavy metal parents to their kids who, like myself, grew up listening to and enjoying even crazier music and exposed to more sex, drugs and alcohol are the same that are deeply offended by 'scary' Halloween costumes or kids playing sports at school.

    I live in Toronto and compared to what goes on in the rest of the city, playing with your (or other people's) balls should be the least of parents' concerns. (pun intended),

  41. This wouldn't happen by Shotgun · · Score: 0

    This wouldn't happen if the administration had a set of balls.

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  42. The Canadians will be OK with this... by BenSchuarmer · · Score: 2

    as long as they're still allowed to play hockey.

  43. Hit or almost hit by residieu · · Score: 2

    This wasn't brought on by a series of injuries, but a series on "incidents". People were getting hit or almost hit. Oh No! One of those people hit got a concussion! Yes, concussions can be serious, but if you let your kids get any kinds of exercise at all they run the risk of a concussion. I got a concussion falling off a jungle gym. No balls involved at all.

    One concussion and some bruises or abrasions is no reason to ban a fun form of exercise. No one ever suggested I stop climbing on things after I hurt myself. (I know that since I've left school, people have made that demand of today's kids, but that's just as unreasonable.

    1. Re:Hit or almost hit by PRMan · · Score: 1

      I got knocked out by a basketball at school. I got my nose broken playing softball when the runner, who was much taller than me, "accidentally" punched me in the face. So what? I still had fun playing sports.

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    2. Re:Hit or almost hit by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      I got a concussion falling off a jungle gym.

      Most jungle gyms have been removed and are no longer part of the modern playground. Thank you for your service.

  44. Please say this is just flamebait by Zrako · · Score: 1

    Pretty pretty please say this is just flamebait

  45. Stupid Canadians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thats just what this is-stupidity. They are a bunch of clueless idiots up north.

  46. You laugh... by strangeattraction · · Score: 1

    But these kid where using ball cannons they fashioned from information the got from Instructables. This enabled them to shoot their balls at velocities 100's of feet per second at other students and teachers. These were scary devices that may have seriously smashed the balls of innocent bystanders.

  47. I demand equal treatment! by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    if we ban Hardball, then Earl Weaver and RBI have to be banned too!

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  48. Uh, those are hard balls? by trawg · · Score: 1

    I don't know how it works in the USA, but I would have thought "hard balls" only encompasses things like baseballs and hockey pucks (and maybe lacross - I can't remember for sure, but I watched my cousin play a few games when I was in CA and I seem to recall I did not want to get hit by the ball).

    Here in Australia I would classify cricket balls as hard balls as well. Hockey balls (my g/f plays grass hockey) as well.

    Banning hard balls, I could in some way understand - those things can cause some pretty serious injuries. I recall hearing about people getting killed in cricket games when the ball hits them in the chest hard enough to affect their heart. And of course head injuries are pretty common.

    I still think it would be complete bullshit, of course - having grown up playing cricket and T-ball here I think it teaches absolutely invaluable skills about risk assessment and management. I would say that having hard balls thrown at you is pretty much a daily occurrence for children in Australia (although it's been a while since I was in school).

    But seriously, soccer balls? Footballs? VOLLEY BALLS? Volley balls are practically made of air. American footballs might be dangerous if you cop the pointy end in an eye socket, but the vast, vast, vast majority of injuries you could possibly get from one of those balls are trivial.

    This seems like a classic case of being blinded by one statistically insignificant incident, and massively over-reacting in a way that will disadvantage almost everyone to protect almost noone in any meaningful way.

    Hey! That sounds sort of familiar.

    1. Re:Uh, those are hard balls? by trawg · · Score: 1

      Shit! I missed the part where it said Toronto. So my mention of USA should be replaced with Canada.

    2. Re:Uh, those are hard balls? by Pope · · Score: 1

      There's a Toronto in Ohio, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Missouri, and South Dakota, and one in NSW. :)

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  49. Are they gonna ban Physical education classes? by future+assassin · · Score: 1

    You know how many times I got hurt playing soccer and floor hockey during lunch and recess? No one cared and you looked cool with scars in front of the ladies.

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  50. oyfg... by Tastecicles · · Score: 2

    ... is this the same school that first stopped keeping scores in soccer because they didn't want to "emotionally harm" the losing side?

    I weep for the species.

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    1. Re:oyfg... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I just finished coaching under 7 soccer - we were playing Small Sided Football (SSF) (link to PDF of the rules for U6 and U7 - the actual website is this horrible Flash-based thing. Explore at your peril.). Scores aren't kept to try and keep the kids focussed on actually using the skills they have learned and to develop those skills further as individuals and (more importantly) as a team. Focussing on only the score at the end takes away from that and does discourage lesser players to drop out of soccer entirely. The Football Federation of Australia embraced SSF to stop the loss of younger players in order to give them a greater pool of talent to draw from in the senior sides, which eventually boosts the skill base at the elite level. SSF is based upon "street football" that is played in Europe and South America but we don't really have here. There, the kids learn just by playing and kicking and scoring, but score isn't everything - it's just a street game.

      Having said that, from the very first game, all the parents and the kids kept score and everyone knew who won and who lost. I loved it when my boys won, but I loved it even better when they co-operated as a team. Winning would sometimes follow that, but focussing on a score often meant that the best players (I had two brilliant players) would try and do it all themselves. Bad for team development, bad for morale (the kids know who is who) and ultimately bad for the brilliant individual, because he'll eventually come up against a brilliant team and come off second best.

  51. Re:This is why socialism doesn't work by gujo-odori · · Score: 0

    Socialism paints itself in a shitty light without any help.

  52. Re:This is why socialism doesn't work by gujo-odori · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Actually, we know that it works perfectly well. It's going swimmingly even in countries that are still nominally communist.

    What capitalism requires, however, is that you get your ass out and work hard at something, instead of hanging around in a park all day, living in a tent, banging drums, trashing businesses that actually employ people, chanting "Hey hey, ho ho" and whining that people who worked for what they have shouldn't be allowed to have it and some should be taken away and given to you.

    In the Occupy version of the story about the grasshopper and the ant, I can see the grasshopper being turned into some kind of oppressed hero, held down by the evil ant, rather than being the victim of his own stupid choices. Ain't communism grand?

  53. Where is the story here? by westlake · · Score: 5, Informative

    Google maps shows a urban JK-8 school with a tiny green space and playground.

    The street level view is crowded.
    There is a small area set aside with a handful of shade trees, a slide, climbers, etc., for the youngest kids.
    A running track frames the play area for the older ones.
    There is a batting cage at the far end of the field, but no other permanent structures.

    You could probably safely practice and play some team sports here under controlled conditions. But 350 kids on break each doing their own thing?

    I don't think so.

    The Address: 55 Woodington Avenue, Toronto, ON M43 3J3, Canada

    1. Re:Where is the story here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Student culture is very important as well. It is entirely possible that violence is a problem in that school, in which case those hard balls may be used aggressively as weapons. (I have taught in that neighbourhood, albeit at the high school level. While most of the students were good, many came from violent homes and were definitely expressing their anger through violence towards their classmates and teachers. It would not surprise me if the elementary school in the area suffered from similar problems.)

    2. Re:Where is the story here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The daycare is on Woodington, the field is on the other side of the school , which includes a baseball diamond.

  54. Carlin got it right by Neurotrace · · Score: 2

    Obligatory wisdom from George Carlin. It's only a matter of time before idly standing around is banned.

  55. Next up.. by kytreb · · Score: 2

    Children will need to get permission from the tag-ee prior to tagging them as 'it'.

    1. Re:Next up.. by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 1

      Are you trying to justify unwarranted sexual harassment?

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  56. Contact info for the school by Atticka · · Score: 0

    Looks like the school has removed the contacts on their web site. If anyone would like to email the school regarding this, here are the email details

    Superintendent
    Roula.Anastasakos@tdsb.on.ca

    General inbox for the school
    EarlBeatty@tdsb.on.ca

    Enjoy!

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  57. Re:This is why socialism doesn't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the Occupy version of the story about the grasshopper and the ant, I can see the grasshopper being turned into some kind of oppressed hero, held down by the evil ant, rather than being the victim of his own stupid choices. Ain't communism grand?

    In the capitalist version, the ant labors all day long for sustenance, with the vast majority of their labor taken by the queen. If they complain about what they feel their share of the labor should be, they are told that if they work hard enough they can be a queen too. All billions of them. Then they're all ridiculed for not being queens, for being stupid and working for some queen, for not being rich, and so on.

    Really, the capitalist world would be a happier place if it would just make with the soma already and drill into the alphas and betas that they should be thankful for the deltas and epsilons for doing all the hard labor rather than taunting them.

  58. So I guess by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 1

    it isn't just the tests throwing softballs at the kids now is it?

  59. In Canada by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

    They use pucks not balls.

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  60. Soccer and the Brain by westlake · · Score: 2

    Head injuries account for between 4% and 22% of all soccer injuries.

    In soccer, concussions make up 2-3% of all injuries. This is the same rate as for American football!

    A study involving men's and women's college soccer teams from the Atlantic Coast Conference found a total of 29 concussions in a 2-year period. The most common cause of the concussions was when one player's head struck the head of another player. This was also the most common source of concussions in a group of soccer players at the US Olympic Sport Festival in 1993. The second most common cause of concussions occurred when a ball struck a player's head. These head-to-ball concussions happened when a player was hit in the head by a ball kicked from close range. In many cases, the ball traveled so quickly the player did not have time to react. NONE of the concussions were caused by proper heading of the ball. Heading the ball, however, is not without consequences. A player may head the ball many times during practice sessions and about eight times during a game. Many players at the 1993 US Olympic Festival experienced headaches after heading the ball. These headaches lasted from a few seconds to several days.

    A Norwegian study found that 35% of 69 Division I soccer players had abnormal electroencephalogram (EEG) patterns. This is more than twice the rate of abnormal EEG patterns in control subjects. Retired soccer players had several brain abnormalities including reduced cortical tissue and increased lateral ventricle size.

    Soccer players also seem to perform more poorly than control subjects on some types of IQ tests and many former players (81%) suffer from problems with attention, concentration, and memory. Players who typically head the ball have also been found to have more neurological problems than non-headers. Compared to goalies and midfielders ("non-headers"), forwards and defenders ("headers") performed more poorly on some memory, visual perception and planning tests.

    Most of the data come from players at the elite level who have played soccer for many years. Professional soccer players head the ball thousands of times during their careers. There has not been much research on the effects of heading the soccer ball on children or recreational players. Although helmets may protect players from concussions, their usefulness has not been tested. At least one company is selling helmets to be used by children while playing soccer.

    So, how can head injuries be reduced and minimized? Here are some recommendations:

    Players should have proper instruction on the correct way to head the ball.

    The ball should be the appropriate size for the age of the players. Smaller balls are less likely to cause injury. Also, make sure the ball is inflated properly.

    Use "no heading" rules for younger players. If a player is not allowed to head the ball, the ball is less likely to hit a player's head.

    Use padded goalposts.

    Soccer and the Brain

    1. Re:Soccer and the Brain by sjames · · Score: 1

      I don't really think a ball kicked by a schoolboy compares to one kicked by an elite player. There's also a big difference between casual play and the many hours a pro player (or Olympic level amateur ) will put in.

      The page you pointed to pointed out that head to head collisions were more dangerous (not covered by the nerf policy) and head to ground was also a likely source of trouble (anso not covered by nerf policy).

      I'm not saying throw all caution to the wind, and certainly don't let someone who actually shows signs of a concussion go back into a game, but some kids playing during reces are not going to end up with pro level injuries from the ball.

  61. No one has quoted yet? by __aavevi421 · · Score: 2

    "The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools." Herbert Spencer

  62. Hard balls... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With them taking such an aggressive stance on hard balls, I can only imagine what they have for future plans with regulating hard cocks...

    1. Re:Hard balls... by Gravitron+5000 · · Score: 1

      Badminton is not a big sport in Canada. I'm not sure that many people would notice.

  63. What was missing from the summary by Stewie241 · · Score: 1

    What was missing from the summary is that the serious incident that set this event off was a parent who was hit in the head and ended up with a concussion. Apparently instead of dealing with the one student, they chose to ban balls outright.

    There is a good deal of emphasis on the news that the ban is temporary, but that just seems silly to me - if you admit you are going to allow balls again, then why ban them at all?

    Another interesting thing that happened in response was a student protest (We Want Our Balls Back). Picture school aged children (grade school, not high school) protesting. You'll see in the article one student exclaimed "“You can take our balls, but you can’t take our freedom!”

    It is also somewhat interesting to note that one of the local newscaster's children went to the school and thought it was ridiculous. His comment was (on the subject of a post above) "I've been hurt more by a pencil."

    So, it should be clarified in defence of Canadians, that we think it is rather crazy too.

  64. Pool Safety by superdoo · · Score: 3, Funny

    I went to kindergarten at this school and almost drowned while on a class trip, I'm ok with them taking a safety-focused approach.

    1. Re:Pool Safety by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yep, turn the schools into prisons, don't let them play with anything, stifle their imaginations and they'll be good sheeple when they grow up. Ready to say Yes to whatever the governments want them to do.

      My school? we had bullies, fights, and I got shot with a handmade staple gun in the back of the neck once ( i think they were aiming at my head, but it's hard to recall). And yes, we grew some balls during that period, and I'm still here.
      And it was one of the good schools :)

    2. Re:Pool Safety by Xacid · · Score: 1

      Tangential, but I can't say any amount of the bullying I received comes even remotely close to have benefitted my life later on. It just turned me from a social kid who loved people to one who became an introvert and egocentric.

      If the implicit "makes you stronger" addage is supposed to apply here then stronger just means leaving yourself less vulnerable and being unhappy most of the time.

      Pretty much the only people who said they came out better were the bullies themselves - plenty never realizing that that was their role to someone else.

      So if you want to talk about stifling imaginations...

  65. Not THAT Crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not even a few kilometres away, the city of Hamilton for the longest time banned ANY sort of playing with balls (kicking, throwing, hitting with another object) without a permit. So playing ball hockey in the street, or even baseball ON A BASEBALL DIAMOND was illegal without city permission.

    1. Re:Not THAT Crazy by Stewie241 · · Score: 1

      It sounds like the one at the school is actually being enforced, while in Hamilton, I have never heard of this ban, which leads me to believe it was on the books but not really taken seriously, compared to the street hockey ban in Toronto which seems to have had a bigger deal made out of.

  66. Speaking as a former student by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is my neighbourhood school. I attended it about fourteen years ago.

    My parents, along with many others, had to spend months arguing with the principal and vice-principal to convince them that it was worth running any extracurricular programs at the school, despite the school board providing funding explicitly for that purpose. When she was finally convinced, it was entirely the responsibility of the parents to organize it. Naturally, all of the parents involved got their students out the school within the next couple of years, and there were no more extracurriculars.

    I don't recognize the principal named in the article, but apparently the tradition of stupidity continues.

  67. Re:This is why socialism doesn't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Socialism paints itself in a shitty light without any help.

    Kinda like yourself then?

    Idiot.

  68. THIS SIDE TOWARDS HIGHLANDERS by TiggertheMad · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why would you give children landmines? You probably peel the 'DO NOT EAT' stickers off of them before you hand them off, too....

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    1. Re:THIS SIDE TOWARDS HIGHLANDERS by FranktehReaver · · Score: 1

      Scottish Claymore with a claymore strapped to it... Good god.

    2. Re:THIS SIDE TOWARDS HIGHLANDERS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      claymore/klmôr/
      Noun:

              A two-edged broadsword used by Scottish Highlanders.

    3. Re:THIS SIDE TOWARDS HIGHLANDERS by TheSpoom · · Score: 1

      I'm patenting this weapon and never licensing it to anyone, for the good of mankind.

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  69. Re:This is why socialism doesn't work by tompaulco · · Score: 1

    Well we already know that capitalism doesn't work, so I can only assume this is a heartfelt wish for communism to come to the fore.
    From what I have read of capitalism, I believe it would work. We should try it here in the U.S.

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  70. Waldorf Schools have balls by KeithConover · · Score: 0

    We previously discussed all the articles in the press about Waldorf schools http://tech.slashdot.org/submission/1826506/a-silicon-valley-school-that-doesnt-use-computers. Waldorf schools have balls. And rocks. And knives.

    My daughter is now 12 and in sixth grade at the Waldorf school here in Pittsburgh. She's been going there ever since nursery school.

    When I first visited the Waldorf school to see if I wanted my daughter there, I went into the nursery class. I looked at the toys there, which were all "natural" and indeed, the wooden and knitted toys had all been made by kids in the upper grades. But I saw a big basket full of river rocks. "You give these to kindergarten kids to play with? Won't they throw them at each other, or hit someone in the head?" "Well, one of the main things we teach in preschool is socialization. Kids have to learn how to not do things like that. So we don't see any problem."

    In the kindergarten, kids bake their own biscuits in the oven for snack, and use sharp knives to cut up apples for the snacks as well. "Kids need to learn basic safety, and the earlier, the better."

    Out in the play yard, there was a sign with a list of rules. One of them was "No smearing mud on the fence or buildings." Didn't say anything about other kids or even teachers. There was also a rule about climbing trees. One tree was OK for all kids to climb. The other was only for those in the upper grades, as the limbs were too far apart.

    The Waldorf school kids get their share of bumps and bruises, most of which don't get reported as they get up, dust themselves off, and keep going. Doesn't seem to be much in the way of major injuries, though. And the kids are always remarked-upon as seeming "mature for their age." I guess bubble wrap is bad for fostering maturity.

    Which brings up a question. In middle school, our Waldorf school will teach basic computer programming, and has a fair bit of latitude in doing so. So, for such a school, what's the best way for them to learn it? I admit that I have a predilection for the way I learned it: setting little switches and then pressing a button to program our medical school's Cromemco Z-80 computer byte by byte, learning all about registers and PUSH and POP by actually doing it; only later doing things in assembler. Seems properly Waldorfian, though perhaps the students should have to build the computer with soldering irons. What do you think?

  71. Re:This is why socialism doesn't work by Sulphur · · Score: 0

    America is full of similar-minded pussies, from what I read on the internets.
    Yes, I'm Canadian.

    These days the pussies are making friends with the mice.

  72. well their in school by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You would think that schools could teach the proper use of balls. Their dangers and how to correctly handle them. Balls give enjoyment and lets groups have fun together. Guess they must now study more, though some are happy studing and some need physical motivation to fullfill a happy life. Catering to all just probally to much of a hassle with costs to high. I think they should hand out ding a lings.

  73. When I was a boy.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wish we had panic-stricken reactivity like this .. it would have been awesome to invent a playground game which used heavy math books and caused serious injury.

    Alas, we threw tan-bark at each other, played british bulldogs and suffered the trauma of mathematics.

  74. The larger question is... by afxgrin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why is this relevant news to this site? Has /. become Fark?

    This is also an elementary school in the middle of Toronto. It has limited yard space, and hence, not much room for kids to share a relatively small space.

    1. Re:The larger question is... by bryan1945 · · Score: 0

      Get smaller kids and smaller balls.

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    2. Re:The larger question is... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I think an even larger question is, if you're uninterested in the subject, why did you click the link? Plenty of other stories posted.

    3. Re:The larger question is... by afxgrin · · Score: 1

      I'm from the Toronto area. That's why.

  75. Reminds me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Back in Catholic elementary school, they let us kick an inflated red rubber ball (soccer ball size) around the yard for recess. Well one day, the ball was kicked pretty hard and accidentally hit a nun in the head, temporarily knocking her unconscious. (could have been due to hitting the ground - depending on witness) Good times.

  76. Re:Solution: Helmets for wimpy parents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..the most serious injury at the school to date involved a parent, who was hit in the head by a soccer ball and suffered a concussion.

    If that parent can suffer a concussion from a soccer ball kicked by a kid then they need to wear a helmet whenever they leave the house.

    Eh, not really -- I've gotten a concussion that way (quite mild, I guess I was out 2-5 seconds) , and I'm no jellohead. Just damned unlucky to catch a goal kick square in the back of the head from one of the strongest legs in 10th grade. Sustained probably a couple dozen other head-ball collisions (mostly headers, some accidents) with nothing more than a headache.

    Don't punish everybody else for having a skull made out of jello.

    Agreed on that -- it's a (small, IMO worthwhile) risk you take playing or standing around a soccer field, which is why spectators need to face the action and keep their eyes open. If not, stay the fuck home.

  77. Hard balls? by sam0737 · · Score: 1

    Now it must be a girl only school.

  78. Re:This is why socialism doesn't work by X.25 · · Score: 1

    Yes, I'm Canadian. Consider how lucky you are to live in America. If you live in the UK, you're worse off.

    Of course, you will have bit more trouble explaining to Swedish people that socialism doesn't work.

    But carry on, please...

  79. Good Canadians by doccus · · Score: 1

    They're just raising these kids to learn to be good Canadians. Everything is dangerous if mishandled. That's why everything is illegal here. People can't think for themselves.. they *need* a nanny state. Besides, if it wasn't a good system, why would China and Russia have adopted it? Even as far as going back to it after flirting with freedom last decade, as in Russia's case.. and look at the US.. they're tripping over themselves to adopt this kind of a state. Just keep the word 'Democracy' in there somewhere, as in Russia, and everybody'll be happy. Ask Putin. He knows..

  80. Very smart! by InspectorGadget1964 · · Score: 0

    I’m willing to bet the principal in that school does not wear anything with a zipper because they are dangerous, he could get his penis caught on it, because certainly he has no brains. Also, pencil sharpeners could cut the fingers if little kids were going to put them inside. Desks have hard surfaces. They should be made of some softer material, but make sure the surface is perfectly smooth so does not accumulate bacteria. And school walls and roofs should be eliminated as they could collapse in an earthquake. Another great danger comes from electricity, so that should not be allowed anywhere in the school either, specially considering that having no walls would live the cables exposed. On the same note, piping is rather hard, so there will be no water in the empty lot where the school used to be. And since there is nothing to stop the sun rays, the school should close because they cannot afford to be insured against the risk of the kids contracting skin cancer due to be outdoors all day. Let us all go back to the stone age!

  81. Weak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Schools are going too far with this. Most public shools in the U.S. don't allow dodgeball in gym class. It has come to the point where there are less sports played and more team building activities in gym class. If a child can't handle simple physical competitive sports that they might as well quit at life because it only gets harder.

  82. Do think about the children by jevring · · Score: 1

    If you provide the children with too safe an environment, they will be useless when they are later released into normal life.

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  83. I can Understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can understand banning hard cocks, with the children and everything, but there is no reason to ban a hard set of balls.
    I really doubt anyone is bashing them off the kids faces? Maybe I'm wrong, but then again what kind of school is this?

  84. What the puck?? by wedontneednobadges · · Score: 2

    I suppose a ban on hockey is next...

  85. These are not hard balls you are looking for by hippo · · Score: 1

    They all bounce off a skull without endangering life. A cricket ball is hard.

  86. Re:Solution: Helmets for wimpy parents by hippo · · Score: 1

    Sign that kid up.

  87. *facepalm* by frenchbedroom · · Score: 1

    [...] after a "few serious incidents" in which students and staff were hit or almost hit by balls

    For crying out loud.

    1. Re:*facepalm* by Drugmath · · Score: 1

      What actually happened is that a parent got hit in the back of the head by a ball and got a concussion. The school is simply trying to limit liability from being sued by lawyer-happy parents who get hit by a ball

  88. But.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what about hockey pucks?

  89. Good work on the child safety thing by cvtan · · Score: 1

    Pretty soon our children will be so safe they won't know how to do anything. A risk-free world is a do-nothing world.

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  90. Future NFL Stars by glorybe · · Score: 0

    I guess kids who attend this school have no intentions of joining the NFL, the NBA and I suppose pro boxing is off the list as well. Really, physical development is important. Getting hurt is part of life.

  91. Re:This is why socialism doesn't work by FranktehReaver · · Score: 1

    Pfft yeah and I will ask Narnia hows it hanging while I am at it. Stop making up fake countries.

  92. No hard balls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess I can't go in the building!

    Have a good night ladies and gentlemen. Don't forget to tip your waitstaff.

  93. Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When balls are outlawed, only the outlaws will have balls.

  94. Well, there goes my job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great... now all the jocks are going spend recess learning Python, and in 15 years when the market is completely saturated, I'm going to be out a job.

  95. Mouse balls? by kmoser · · Score: 1

    Have they swapped out all mechanical mice with optical mice?

  96. Un-Canadian! by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    Until you have played ball hockey in the winter, with one of those orange balls from Canadian Tire, which has frozen solid, and someone takes a slapshot with it, and hits you in the balls, you are not entirely Canadian yet.

    I'll take one of those in the head any day of the week over the "LBI".

  97. Balls banned at my kids middle school by canadian_right · · Score: 1

    Balls of all types were banned at my kids middle school due to a kid getting ball in the face. This ban lasted one week when the school was flooded with calls from irate parents telling them that they are being idiots. I called the school, and wrote the to local school board. In this case it was a single over zealous vp at this one school.

    This was also in Canada, but the west coast.

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  98. Re:pencils can be sharpened into "stabbing weapons by Maritz · · Score: 1

    Mimetic poly-alloy..!

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  99. Learned something... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the real story here is that Canadians have balls. Who knew?

  100. balls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    STUPID LIBS--ASSHOLES

  101. Send them some emails. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.tdsb.on.ca/SchoolWeb/_site/AboutSchool.asp?siteid=10172&menuid=11693&schno=5304

    You can send the school emails here. Please inundate them with angry emails.