What Mac have you used that had a UI like that? One running Windows 8? Macs do NOT use a "Start Screen", they have the Dock. Odldly enough I've heard people complain that the enhanced taskbar in Win7 was too Mac-like.
Really? How many times have you used a cell phone and been unable to make a call? I mean not just a dropped call that you redialed and it worked but completely unable to make or receive calls in an area of normal coverage under non-emergency conditions? I have not had that experience for at least 15 years now.
Are you serious? This past week I was completely unable to make or receive calls in an area of normal coverage. I live on the south shore of Long Island, NY.
My understanding is that the 30 pin adapter they are selling provides analog audio but not iPod control
http://www.macworld.com/article/1168555/what_apples_new_lightning_connector_means_for_you.html
'Apple has confirmed to Macworld that these adapters support analog and USB audio-out, as well as syncing and charging. However, the adapters don’t support video-out or iPod mode, the latter a special mode that lets particular accessories, such as car stereos and some whole-home-audio systems, display your iPod’s menus on the accessory’s own screen.'
And as a commenter in this article points out, the iPod will still play audio over these systems since that's handled by the analog interface.
some of this is a desire to manage DRM
What DRM? None of the music on my iPhone has any DRM on it! The "FairPlay" DRM was removed from iTunes store music in early 2009.
You don't have FiOS, do you? In addition to my regular ol' modem, there's a big fibre link and battery backup box bolted to the wall of my basement. Ignoring the fact that fibre line and the splicing is pricey, theres a lot more equipment required for each home, for which Verizon foots the bill.
What?!! Apple requests the CVV2 code of your credit card for verification, not the last 4 digits of the number. The CVV2 code is never shown on a statement or invoice anywhere, and since they're processing credit card transactions they can only store it hashed.
What makes you think there's no power saving on a Hackintosh? Out of the box I've got things like speedstep enabled (thank you Gigabyte board) and the hard drives spin down too (I think I left it at the default of 15 minutes). I have noticed that sometimes when I do something as innocuous open the context menu in Win7, it waits for all six of my internal disks to spin up before doing anything.
Well first of all, no it's not a Mac. It's a Hackintosh built with off-the-shelf PC parts running a dual boot with Mac OS X and Windows 7. Also, there's a huge difference between Bootcamp drivers and iTunes. For one thing, iTunes is running on what is essentially a port of Cocoa/CoreFoundation to Windows. Much of the Bootcamp driver package is provided by hardware manufacturers and is most definitely not written in Cocoa. On my older MacBook Pro I've had no issues that I could attribute to the Bootcamp drivers.
It's not just a partition, it's a dedicated 7200 rpm disk. Anecdotally, I have generally found my system performance to be overall much more inconsistent then it is in Mac OS X. Typically I don't have notable performance issues with general use cases in either OS, yet Windows exhibits hiccups and seemingly random slowdowns much more often.
I use a moderately powerful Mac and I cannot once think of a situation where when I downloaded my camera I had performance issues scrolling through photos in iPhoto. Hell when I use iMovie I can scroll through video with my mouse cursor while experiencing no lag or stutters. My Windows 7 dual-boot on the other hand sometimes inexplicably takes upwards of half a minute to actually display the contents of a directory after I try to open. This is the main reason I do most of my "life stuff" in Mac OS X.
Personally I've found the Mac OS X versions of Chrome and Firefox to be inferior to Safari. On the other hand, Safari for Windows is slow and crappy. To each their own...
He did something that wealthy people are more able to do than poor people: He had himself listed in two states. It's entirely legal to do this, but it requires a great deal more financial resources since you have to travel to the other state(s) frequently for medical exams and you have to prove that you can pay for the transplant out of pocket. There are no legal limits on where you can be put on the transplant list.
I've got a windows 7 upgrade disk that refuses to install unless there is a licensed and acitivated copy of a previous windows version already installed.
The one time I recall having a massive package upgrade snaffoo was during a dist-upgrade in Ubuntu Server. I don't remember exactly what caused the process to halt and fail, but I do remember that the system was working fine even though the upgrade was only partially completed. Then I made the huge mistake of rebooting..... Of course now it wouldn't boot so I had to break out a Live Flash Drive, chroot, and do my fixing there.
Jesus christ if they dropped a family pack version to $100 I'd buy it in a heartbeat! I've got three personal machines running Windows and I haven't bought a single license because Home Premium is $200. Never mind that I occasionally use something like XP Mode so having Ultimate was helpful. Actually right now a new Win7 HP license on Newegg is $100, presumably due a price drop in the wake of Win8. On the other hand, Win7 HP upgrade (from Vista or XP) is still $120.
Funny you name Asus and Acer as the producers of shoddy pieces of crap. Personally I've always preferred their hardware over the other big names for quality reasons. The absolute worst in my experience has been Lenovo. I've had to support a number of Thinkpad t410s that are total trash when it comes to reliability.
I don't usually start my own threads but I just want this comment to stand alone....
Who the fuck cares who invented email?!! This guy is pretty obviously a nut. I mean come on how full of yourself do you actually have to be to register inventorofemail.com
This is what I'm saying, their innards aren't all that standard. Their motherboards are extremely exotic and a major update would require a radically different tracing layout. The internal case design has also changed twice (at least?) since the original G5 PowerMac layout. The current models are even more over engineered than the old G5s.
This. The talk I've been hearing at work (Apple retailer) says this is the last Mac Pro refresh. I'm told they don't sell well enough to justify the huge design and engineering costs needed for each major refresh. As someone who has serviced many different models of Mac Pro, this doesn't surprise me at all. Internally they are incredibly overengineered, with daughterboards and slide-out compartments for all the major components. They're even practically cable-less, with all the component connections and power rails routed through the motherboard!
Furthermore, the continued lack of Thunderbolt doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Mac Pros already have PCIe slots to serve their high-speed bus needs. It's not like Apple to allow overlapping functionality in their products.
Actually, Apple doesn't really market to video editors, graphic designers, etc anymore. The 17" MacBook Pro was bought pretty much exclusively by the three groups you mentioned (I happen to be a developer and I love my 17" MBP) and now they've axed it. The mac-based pro services retailer and consultant business I work at has also heard rumors that this will probably be the last Mac Pro refresh. Anyway the Retina display does NOT provide more screen real-estate. The sole purpose of it is to increase the visual quality of text and graphics rendered onscreen by quadrupling the DPI.
Apple has always been about selling the average joe's computer, right back to the Apple II and the Macintosh. They haven't always done this successfully, notably when Jobs was ousted and Scully nearly drove Apple into the ground by effectively commoditizing Macs. Now they're back on track, what with the success of iPod, iPhone, and iPad. Apple has also refined their portable offerings and made them even more attractive to American middle class students. I personally know six or seven college students that bought a MacBook Pro (most of them 13") from their school because they're hip and they got an education discount.
If anyone's comment is useless, it's your own. I doubt any of us here have any real knowledge on the cost breakdown of the new Pros. (I can, however, tell you that 3rd party Apple retailers have a very very small profit margin on actual Mac hardware. We're forced to make our money on peripherals and upgrades.) So anyone's comments on the pricing of these models are opinions. I happen to agree with GP's opinion on the starting price. You, on the other hand, have no factual basis on which to say that they should probably be $3000+.
As far as building 3 desktops for that money... Personally I've always looked at comparing DIY build prices for PC to notebooks in general to be apples and oranges. Notebook components are more expensive as a rule. Moreover, high-end desktops are significantly cheaper to build than to buy as-is simply because of the way the market works. I happen to have built a fairly well-spec'd Hackintosh for my at-home desktop computing. Not that I don't consider say an iMac to be worth it's price, I just felt I didn't have a need for the design features that make them comparatively expensive (all-in-one form factor, aluminum casing, large screen, etc). On the other hand, I'm quite happy with my decision to buy a 17" MacBook Pro a few years ago. I've gotten a great deal of heavy use out of it and it goes without saying that it's been much more reliable than my Hackintosh.
According to the specs with both the onboard Intel HD chipset and the discrete graphics, the retina MBPs can drive both the main display @ 2880x1800 and two external displays at 2560x1600 at the same time. Since I suspect most Mac games are not HiDPI-aware, they'll still be rendering for 1440x900 and Mac OS X will scale it up to 2880x1800. What I'm curious about is how Windows will handle this.
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What Mac have you used that had a UI like that? One running Windows 8? Macs do NOT use a "Start Screen", they have the Dock. Odldly enough I've heard people complain that the enhanced taskbar in Win7 was too Mac-like.
Not quite $780 but pretty close.
I think that depends on the phone. My iPhone 4S most definitely has what you describe.
Reminds me of something I heard very often from two wise men: Don't drive like my brother!
Really? How many times have you used a cell phone and been unable to make a call? I mean not just a dropped call that you redialed and it worked but completely unable to make or receive calls in an area of normal coverage under non-emergency conditions? I have not had that experience for at least 15 years now.
Are you serious? This past week I was completely unable to make or receive calls in an area of normal coverage. I live on the south shore of Long Island, NY.
AFAIK, no HDMI interface is even announced let alone available
http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/13/3329062/apple-lightning-hdmi-vga-cable-adapter-coming-months
'An Apple spokesperson told The Verge that Lightning to HDMI and Lightning to VGA cables "will be available in the coming months."'
My understanding is that the 30 pin adapter they are selling provides analog audio but not iPod control
http://www.macworld.com/article/1168555/what_apples_new_lightning_connector_means_for_you.html
'Apple has confirmed to Macworld that these adapters support analog and USB audio-out, as well as syncing and charging. However, the adapters don’t support video-out or iPod mode, the latter a special mode that lets particular accessories, such as car stereos and some whole-home-audio systems, display your iPod’s menus on the accessory’s own screen.'
And as a commenter in this article points out, the iPod will still play audio over these systems since that's handled by the analog interface.
some of this is a desire to manage DRM
What DRM? None of the music on my iPhone has any DRM on it! The "FairPlay" DRM was removed from iTunes store music in early 2009.
You don't have FiOS, do you? In addition to my regular ol' modem, there's a big fibre link and battery backup box bolted to the wall of my basement. Ignoring the fact that fibre line and the splicing is pricey, theres a lot more equipment required for each home, for which Verizon foots the bill.
What?!! Apple requests the CVV2 code of your credit card for verification, not the last 4 digits of the number. The CVV2 code is never shown on a statement or invoice anywhere, and since they're processing credit card transactions they can only store it hashed.
What makes you think there's no power saving on a Hackintosh? Out of the box I've got things like speedstep enabled (thank you Gigabyte board) and the hard drives spin down too (I think I left it at the default of 15 minutes). I have noticed that sometimes when I do something as innocuous open the context menu in Win7, it waits for all six of my internal disks to spin up before doing anything.
Well first of all, no it's not a Mac. It's a Hackintosh built with off-the-shelf PC parts running a dual boot with Mac OS X and Windows 7. Also, there's a huge difference between Bootcamp drivers and iTunes. For one thing, iTunes is running on what is essentially a port of Cocoa/CoreFoundation to Windows. Much of the Bootcamp driver package is provided by hardware manufacturers and is most definitely not written in Cocoa. On my older MacBook Pro I've had no issues that I could attribute to the Bootcamp drivers.
It's not just a partition, it's a dedicated 7200 rpm disk. Anecdotally, I have generally found my system performance to be overall much more inconsistent then it is in Mac OS X. Typically I don't have notable performance issues with general use cases in either OS, yet Windows exhibits hiccups and seemingly random slowdowns much more often.
I use a moderately powerful Mac and I cannot once think of a situation where when I downloaded my camera I had performance issues scrolling through photos in iPhoto. Hell when I use iMovie I can scroll through video with my mouse cursor while experiencing no lag or stutters. My Windows 7 dual-boot on the other hand sometimes inexplicably takes upwards of half a minute to actually display the contents of a directory after I try to open. This is the main reason I do most of my "life stuff" in Mac OS X.
Gotta love how this is modded insightful!
Personally I've found the Mac OS X versions of Chrome and Firefox to be inferior to Safari. On the other hand, Safari for Windows is slow and crappy. To each their own...
He did something that wealthy people are more able to do than poor people: He had himself listed in two states. It's entirely legal to do this, but it requires a great deal more financial resources since you have to travel to the other state(s) frequently for medical exams and you have to prove that you can pay for the transplant out of pocket. There are no legal limits on where you can be put on the transplant list.
I've got a windows 7 upgrade disk that refuses to install unless there is a licensed and acitivated copy of a previous windows version already installed.
The one time I recall having a massive package upgrade snaffoo was during a dist-upgrade in Ubuntu Server. I don't remember exactly what caused the process to halt and fail, but I do remember that the system was working fine even though the upgrade was only partially completed. Then I made the huge mistake of rebooting..... Of course now it wouldn't boot so I had to break out a Live Flash Drive, chroot, and do my fixing there.
Jesus christ if they dropped a family pack version to $100 I'd buy it in a heartbeat! I've got three personal machines running Windows and I haven't bought a single license because Home Premium is $200. Never mind that I occasionally use something like XP Mode so having Ultimate was helpful. Actually right now a new Win7 HP license on Newegg is $100, presumably due a price drop in the wake of Win8. On the other hand, Win7 HP upgrade (from Vista or XP) is still $120.
Funny you name Asus and Acer as the producers of shoddy pieces of crap. Personally I've always preferred their hardware over the other big names for quality reasons. The absolute worst in my experience has been Lenovo. I've had to support a number of Thinkpad t410s that are total trash when it comes to reliability.
I don't usually start my own threads but I just want this comment to stand alone....
Who the fuck cares who invented email?!! This guy is pretty obviously a nut. I mean come on how full of yourself do you actually have to be to register inventorofemail.com
This is what I'm saying, their innards aren't all that standard. Their motherboards are extremely exotic and a major update would require a radically different tracing layout. The internal case design has also changed twice (at least?) since the original G5 PowerMac layout. The current models are even more over engineered than the old G5s.
This. The talk I've been hearing at work (Apple retailer) says this is the last Mac Pro refresh. I'm told they don't sell well enough to justify the huge design and engineering costs needed for each major refresh. As someone who has serviced many different models of Mac Pro, this doesn't surprise me at all. Internally they are incredibly overengineered, with daughterboards and slide-out compartments for all the major components. They're even practically cable-less, with all the component connections and power rails routed through the motherboard!
Furthermore, the continued lack of Thunderbolt doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Mac Pros already have PCIe slots to serve their high-speed bus needs. It's not like Apple to allow overlapping functionality in their products.
Actually, Apple doesn't really market to video editors, graphic designers, etc anymore. The 17" MacBook Pro was bought pretty much exclusively by the three groups you mentioned (I happen to be a developer and I love my 17" MBP) and now they've axed it. The mac-based pro services retailer and consultant business I work at has also heard rumors that this will probably be the last Mac Pro refresh. Anyway the Retina display does NOT provide more screen real-estate. The sole purpose of it is to increase the visual quality of text and graphics rendered onscreen by quadrupling the DPI.
Apple has always been about selling the average joe's computer, right back to the Apple II and the Macintosh. They haven't always done this successfully, notably when Jobs was ousted and Scully nearly drove Apple into the ground by effectively commoditizing Macs. Now they're back on track, what with the success of iPod, iPhone, and iPad. Apple has also refined their portable offerings and made them even more attractive to American middle class students. I personally know six or seven college students that bought a MacBook Pro (most of them 13") from their school because they're hip and they got an education discount.
If anyone's comment is useless, it's your own. I doubt any of us here have any real knowledge on the cost breakdown of the new Pros. (I can, however, tell you that 3rd party Apple retailers have a very very small profit margin on actual Mac hardware. We're forced to make our money on peripherals and upgrades.) So anyone's comments on the pricing of these models are opinions. I happen to agree with GP's opinion on the starting price. You, on the other hand, have no factual basis on which to say that they should probably be $3000+.
As far as building 3 desktops for that money... Personally I've always looked at comparing DIY build prices for PC to notebooks in general to be apples and oranges. Notebook components are more expensive as a rule. Moreover, high-end desktops are significantly cheaper to build than to buy as-is simply because of the way the market works. I happen to have built a fairly well-spec'd Hackintosh for my at-home desktop computing. Not that I don't consider say an iMac to be worth it's price, I just felt I didn't have a need for the design features that make them comparatively expensive (all-in-one form factor, aluminum casing, large screen, etc). On the other hand, I'm quite happy with my decision to buy a 17" MacBook Pro a few years ago. I've gotten a great deal of heavy use out of it and it goes without saying that it's been much more reliable than my Hackintosh.
According to the specs with both the onboard Intel HD chipset and the discrete graphics, the retina MBPs can drive both the main display @ 2880x1800 and two external displays at 2560x1600 at the same time. Since I suspect most Mac games are not HiDPI-aware, they'll still be rendering for 1440x900 and Mac OS X will scale it up to 2880x1800. What I'm curious about is how Windows will handle this.
That's a silly excuse. The main issue is that this secureEFI requirement is cumbersome and will create problems for some people.