Considering that Slashdot is a Western site, I think everybody should stop bitching about us assuming cultural values similar to our own because THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF THEM ARE.
The much discussed 'Windows Tax' on computers amounts to about $30-40/year
I thought the "Windows Tax" referred to the one-time cost added to the price of the machine since Windows is installed by default. Or are you referencing a support contract or something?
since they've promised to release the source to Ice Cream Sandwich fairly soon that event will bring them into strict compliance with the GPL before someone can mutter copytright violation in court.....
Parse "DOJ drops the (rule which permits lying)" versus "DOJ (drops rule), in order to allow them to lie." It took me a good minute to work out how TFS and TFH made any sense together.
has less drivers of high quality (makes sense, PC makers & parts makers KNOW what drives the PC world is why)
Granted. Linux has drivers for a bunch of other platforms Windows has never touched, though, obviously.
NOW - Thing is?
Well - Neither DELL nor HP is doing that... lol! Show me where they said they are "locking out Linux" (especially intentionally), ok??
1) They're obviously never going to admit to doing it, regardless of whether they are or not.
2) The people the guy talked to were not really in a position to be knowledgeable about this stuff, from the sounds of it.
3) The general consensus from the posts here is that article author is hardly an unbiased, reliable source himself. Quite the opposite.
That ALL said & aside:
Linux folks asking vendors TURN OFF a VALUABLE & EFFECTIVE security measure, especially for layered security
Yeah, why would Linux want to turn off a "VALUABLE & EFFECTIVE security measure" that prevents it categorically from being booted? Linux people have no problem with the security itself, just that Linux is probably going to be "coincidentally" left out in the cold by it.
It really sounds like a terrible idea to begin with. If they won't give customers the keys to sign the stuff with (which seems to be the whole point of the system in the first place), either 1) Linux booting is disallowed, or 2) they make the secure boot disable-able, which completely defeats the whole purpose of it to begin with if all anybody has to do to bypass it is toggle an option in the BIOS (well, I suppose you could lock down your BIOS so maybe not). Sure, it's great if all you care about is running Windows...at least until a bug creeps in and Windows accidentally its own signature...or the first h/cr/acker figures out how to invalidate the signature...
Well, you wrote *a* book. Damn, dude: nobody's ever going to accuse you of being terse! As for being an expert, I guess I'll just have to take your word on that one.
Why don't they adapt for it? Nobody's stopping them!
Um, yeah, that's kind of the point...
Perhaps they are unable to??
They may eventually, yeah, but it'll suck in the short term if it goes the way it looks like it's going to.
Again - I didn't see vendors STATE they were locking out Linux! Show me where they have... ok?
See above.
APK
P.S.=> As far as "hack Windows", & it being done by Penguins? Yes, I said it - what BETTER WAY for they to discredit MS!
Yay stereotyping. Like I said, this is about being able to boot Linux, period. Yes, there are some people who may use that ability maliciously, but there's also a hell of a lot of people who don't.
& judging by the "anti-microsoft/anti-windows" sentiments around here
Okay, yes, I'll give you that one. Diversity of opinions and plenty of people on both sides, etc., etc....but yeah.
Yea, I'll stand by it.
Yes - I'm fairly sure that "goes on" from the "penguins" even here too
The Linux folks are talking DISABLING SECURITY here? They're essentially asking a great security feature BE STOPPED on secure boot!
(Gosh, why's that? So they can continue to hack Windows perhaps??
Yeah, because Linux should just say, "Well, it looks like they finally did us in...time to just roll over and die," after 20 years of offering an alternative to the proprietary OS's. Guess somebody should call up Linus and let him know that Linux is completely pointless now and he should find something else to do. Not to mention, claiming that the only reason Linux exists is to "hack Windows" is incredibly dismissive and insulting 1) to the history of UNIX-based/-like operating systems and 2) to pretty much anybody who's ever contributed anything to Linux.
I take it by "4x++" you mean "5x?" Otherwise how about we cut the inflammatory bull and just leave it at "4x+."
Finally, please stop using bold all over the place. It's almost as bad as all-caps.
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Tradition is as aspect of culture. Thank you, Captain Snark.
You're seriously using an XKCD webcomic as the reasoning to support your argument? Wow...
Considering that Slashdot is a Western site, I think everybody should stop bitching about us assuming cultural values similar to our own because THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF THEM ARE.
If something is never alive to begin with, by definition that means it can't die.
everything we need will be supplied by Jesus, riding on a golden unicorn.
But is the unicorn firing a rainbow out of its ass?! Discriminating customers demand ass-rainbows!
Communicating via VoIP?! NO WAI!!
MacGyver Gets Lazy
By and large, yes, true. But for CD ripping, just disallow it everywhere and boom, problem solved.
Even the best programmers (I'm one of them, and I concede this point) make ocassional mistakes
Heh.
The much discussed 'Windows Tax' on computers amounts to about $30-40/year
I thought the "Windows Tax" referred to the one-time cost added to the price of the machine since Windows is installed by default. Or are you referencing a support contract or something?
since they've promised to release the source to Ice Cream Sandwich fairly soon that event will bring them into strict compliance with the GPL before someone can mutter copytright violation in court.....
"Fairly soon" being the operative words here...
So basically, it's "The Crucible."
Millions (billions?) of people died as a direct result of a bit of stubbornness. But yeah, they eventually won the war, so everything was fine, right?
Nah, I bet it would at least take the better part of a minute.
This is not a FOX show, after all.
The first tip-off was that it's still on the air.
http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdestroyedtheworldyet.com
Not generally on the living-in-your-parents'-basement salary (hey, since we're already doing memes...).
Parse "DOJ drops the (rule which permits lying)" versus "DOJ (drops rule), in order to allow them to lie." It took me a good minute to work out how TFS and TFH made any sense together.
has less drivers of high quality (makes sense, PC makers & parts makers KNOW what drives the PC world is why)
Granted. Linux has drivers for a bunch of other platforms Windows has never touched, though, obviously.
NOW - Thing is?
Well - Neither DELL nor HP is doing that... lol! Show me where they said they are "locking out Linux" (especially intentionally), ok??
1) They're obviously never going to admit to doing it, regardless of whether they are or not.
2) The people the guy talked to were not really in a position to be knowledgeable about this stuff, from the sounds of it.
3) The general consensus from the posts here is that article author is hardly an unbiased, reliable source himself. Quite the opposite.
That ALL said & aside:
Linux folks asking vendors TURN OFF a VALUABLE & EFFECTIVE security measure, especially for layered security
Yeah, why would Linux want to turn off a "VALUABLE & EFFECTIVE security measure" that prevents it categorically from being booted? Linux people have no problem with the security itself, just that Linux is probably going to be "coincidentally" left out in the cold by it.
It really sounds like a terrible idea to begin with. If they won't give customers the keys to sign the stuff with (which seems to be the whole point of the system in the first place), either 1) Linux booting is disallowed, or 2) they make the secure boot disable-able, which completely defeats the whole purpose of it to begin with if all anybody has to do to bypass it is toggle an option in the BIOS (well, I suppose you could lock down your BIOS so maybe not). Sure, it's great if all you care about is running Windows...at least until a bug creeps in and Windows accidentally its own signature...or the first h/cr/acker figures out how to invalidate the signature...
(which I am QUITE expert on, see here http://www.google.com/search?sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=%22HOW+TO+SECURE+Windows+2000/XP%22&btnG=Search&gbv=1&ei=UA-zTsH5GqrX0QGV8L3TBA , OR here http://www.bing.com/search?q=HOW+TO+SECURE+Windows+2000%2FXP&go=&qs=ns&form=QBLH ... I practically "wrote the book" on how to do that & have since 1997... )
Well, you wrote *a* book. Damn, dude: nobody's ever going to accuse you of being terse! As for being an expert, I guess I'll just have to take your word on that one.
Why don't they adapt for it? Nobody's stopping them!
Um, yeah, that's kind of the point...
Perhaps they are unable to??
They may eventually, yeah, but it'll suck in the short term if it goes the way it looks like it's going to.
Again - I didn't see vendors STATE they were locking out Linux! Show me where they have... ok?
See above.
APK
P.S.=> As far as "hack Windows", & it being done by Penguins? Yes, I said it - what BETTER WAY for they to discredit MS!
Yay stereotyping. Like I said, this is about being able to boot Linux, period. Yes, there are some people who may use that ability maliciously, but there's also a hell of a lot of people who don't.
& judging by the "anti-microsoft/anti-windows" sentiments around here
Okay, yes, I'll give you that one. Diversity of opinions and plenty of people on both sides, etc., etc....but yeah.
Yea, I'll stand by it.
Yes - I'm fairly sure that "goes on" from the "penguins" even here too
The Linux folks are talking DISABLING SECURITY here? They're essentially asking a great security feature BE STOPPED on secure boot!
(Gosh, why's that? So they can continue to hack Windows perhaps??
Yeah, because Linux should just say, "Well, it looks like they finally did us in...time to just roll over and die," after 20 years of offering an alternative to the proprietary OS's. Guess somebody should call up Linus and let him know that Linux is completely pointless now and he should find something else to do. Not to mention, claiming that the only reason Linux exists is to "hack Windows" is incredibly dismissive and insulting 1) to the history of UNIX-based/-like operating systems and 2) to pretty much anybody who's ever contributed anything to Linux.
I take it by "4x++" you mean "5x?" Otherwise how about we cut the inflammatory bull and just leave it at "4x+."
Finally, please stop using bold all over the place. It's almost as bad as all-caps.
That Guy Who Signs In
...tango
Obviously we're supposed to both not build any new reactors and shut down the ones we already have, right?
Why?
slaker
Well, there you go. It sounds to me like there's quite a lot of slaking going on, eh?
Starting to see why they complain about the Extravagant Western Infidels...
Now those are real friends! :-D
Mistaken murder of innocent people = hoot and a half? Ummm...