Right... Its only a few bucks more for the full album usually... and if you like one song than hopefully you'll like more.. I have only bought one single ever and that was Filters "Hey man nice shot" because it had like 5 versions of that song on it (all of which were better than the origonal) and the next day I bought the album anyway:)
I never hear quite the same quality... but that could be in my head... As corny as this sounds: I like to support the artist (and the record label unfortunatly) the music I have been listening to of late is not very main stream at all so I especially feel the need to buy the CD... Didgeridoo artists cant make all that much money:)
Sometimes I get really bored (don't we all) and I type some random word into my Gnapster client and listen to whatever comes up... this has turned me on to some really rad music! I now own both Outback albums and both Dr. Didg albums I even bought a didgeridoo cause I liked the sound so much... before napster I had 3 CD's (tool, clutch and limp bizkit) now I have about 20 and they cover a WIDE range of music... from Aboriginal Didgeridoo music to Static-X...
Really? The Bengalis who drowned last year in the hurricane which inundated the river delta, the Hondurans, Nicaraguans, Guatemalans and El Salvadorans killed or flooded out by Hurricane Mitch, and Mozambiquans whose homes disappeared under completely unseasonable and unprecedented floods... they had a choice?
There is ALWAYS a choice... move for christ sake... I wouldnt live there... as soon as I was old enough to realize I lived someplace that was that dangerous I would leave... I live in Maine and the worst we have is snow and ice.. I may visit florida, but your dumb if you live there.. same with torneado alley... Its just dumb. no sympathy here.
Define "progress" in your lexicon. To me, progress is getting more from less, more goods for less time at work, more cycles out of a smaller and less power-hungry processor, more goods for a given amount of environmental impact, more miles out of less fuel.
Your talking about tweaking, progress is creating things that have never been created before and figuring things out..
And with short natural gas supplies comes more demand for oil as users who can switch, switch; gasoline goes up as a consequence. Enjoy.
I'm only going to say this one more time: I DONT CARE I DONT CARE I DONT CARE I DONT CARE I DONT CARE I DONT CARE... Did you hear it that time? I'll pay for gas until it is $3.00 a gallon.. by then we'll have a replacement I'd bet my life on it.
I don't expect to have Social Security to depend on, so I'm taking my $14/day (and more) and shoving it into a 401(k). I expect to live more comfortably than you.
I put 17% of my income into a 401k and $2000 a year into a roth IRA. My stock portfolio has tripled in value over the last year. I am 23 years old and I will be a multi-millionaire in 2 years... I have a computer science degree and an economics minor. If I am not retired in 10 years something is seriously wrong. My one indulgence besides women, is my car.. I think I'll be just fine.
Anyone can set up a page at tripod.
anyone can set up a page anywhere... its just an essay.. but there is alot of interesting confirmable info there... but, whatever.
I found all those links on the first page of a google search for anti-environmentalism so Its obviously not the cream of the crop.. the majority is the same propaganda bullshit that one would get by searching for environmentalism.. propaganda is propaganda... The facts are out there and if you were interested you could find them... I wish I could find those ice core graphs to show you but I dont have the time and I dont remember the association that collected the data... some university I believe... oh well...
I am taking a natural resource class on the internet right now, and learning some interesting things.. like I had no idea that bodies of water (mostly rivers) commonly burst into flame and burned for a week at a time in the late 60's... those things never happen now.. we have learned a great deal about what effect we have on the environment and it only gets better and it will get better with out all this nazi like activism... Only time will tell I guess...
That nitwit is paying a ton extra for gas and is risking his life from rollovers, and is smogging up the air to boot. In five years that truck will be worth almost nothing; maybe in three years, if gas prices spike again.
How many freakin mountain tops do I have to scream it from for you to understand? I DONT CARE ABOUT THE DAMN COST!!! If its not worth anything when I go get my next vehicle (a HUMMER!!) I wont even care.. I might donate it to someone anyway like I did with my last vehicle.. jeeze... as for rollovers.. This vehicle feels very stable, and when I was "breaking it in" I did some on/off ramps much faster than the posted limit and it didnt even give me the feeling of going over... I have swerved to miss 3 deer and 2 moose (I've aimed for several cats but missed) no problem... so whatever.
who have no choice about where they live
this statement is SOOO dumb.
You don't care that the pace of human-induced change is enormously faster than natural changes.
I dont believe this is true... I will try to find some cites in a sec...
So you advocate the unrestricted trashing of Earth,
no I advocate personal freedom and unrestricted progress.
More efficient ways were available to you when you were making your purchase.
I believe I have said SEVERAL times that my first priority was comfort... why should I get something I am unhappy with for YOUR piece of mind? it was MY $24,000... and its MY $14 bucks a day... and I pay just as much and more to the EPA and DOE etc.. to regulate and clean up all this shit... I dont dump my oil down the drain and I dont use aerosol shit (gives me a headache) I just want to drive the car that makes me happy...
Even if someone HAD a better way for sale, you just weren't interested.
I looked at EVERY SUV within 100 miles and I looked on the web and I even road some cars (outback) that I thought I might be able to live with... given all that info I made my choice... sorry if it isnt the choice you would have made... but thats for YOU to deal with not me...
As for the ozone layer, speed of climate shift, and so forth: Cites, please. (Not that I expect you to be able to support your assertions, but I find your evasions amusing.)
I'm not evading anything... I just figured someone as "open minded" as your self would already know where to go to find this kind of information... but obviously you base your "knowledge" off the same bullshit the enviro-nazis have been spounting for years... Its just sooo much EASIER to believe we are destroying the planet than to believe the planet is VERY dynamic and changes all the time on it's own... so you go ahead and take the easy way... sheep
http://www.setfortruth.org/index.html
http://www.sovereignty.net/p/clim/
http://www.sepp.org/pressrel/petition.html
http://www.globalwarming.org/sciup/sci11-11-99.htm l
here is a chart! - http://www.setfortruth.org/report.htm
thats just what I found in like 10 minutes... the real good information I was thinking of comes from ice and sea cores... but I was shown those in an environmental class I took a year or so ago and it would take me a bit longer to find that specific information.. I did, however, find it very interesting.. the climate swings over the last few million years are just freaking amazing.. The planet went from ice age to like it is now in a matter of a few thousand years... it took 100 thousand for it to freeze... its all about the thermohaline circulation and shit like that... this little heat wave we are having now doesnt mean a damn thing...
I like science as much as the next nerd... but I'm not reading that paper.. just looking at the abstract made me wonder when the home work was due:) Pretty crazy I've got first post on a science story 6 hours after it went live... oh well... happy thursday everyone:)
non-problem transportation is available at dealers nationwide?
non-problem? k....
1.Was such an SUV among the more efficient or less efficient choices you could have made? What kind of mileage do you get?
I didnt make my choice based on gas mileage.. I asked about it after the fact, but it was a NON factor... I knew I would be spending 3 hours a day in it for 3 months then probably driving around the country in it after that.. So comfort was priority one, so instantly all the cars were out because being close to the ground makes me edgy, personal problem I guess... From experience I know that SUVs handle great in the snow and can take a beating out in the woods and an SUV keeps more shit dry than a pickup... so I picked a bright yellow 2000 xterra for $24,000 and smiled while I wrote the check. After 10,000 miles I still love it.
2.With 6 billion other people on earth having to live with the consequences of your choice (especially those who live on river deltas barely above sea level, or on atolls which will vanish if sea levels rise very much), what's your moral justification for your choice?
I guess I just dont care about people who would live in a flood zone... sorry... tough shit.. The sea level has changed often over the last 10,000 years... its to be expected...
There are 8 other planets and many smaller bodies orbitting Sol, but I haven't heard of anyone making a living on any of them yet.
YET!!!!! jeeze...
How will continued spewing of fossil carbon into the atmosphere solve the dual growing problems of global warming and increasingly severe weather?
Its not that continually doing these things will improve anything... of course they wouldnt! But what does happen is we learn how to burn more effiecently.. and eventually how not to burn at all.. we learn what impact chemicals have on life.. we see better ways to do it.. If you've seen pictures around england during the industrial revolution where EVERYTHING was blackened you may note that we have come a long way... with still a long way to go... as for the weather... you may notice that studies of ice and sea cores show us that the climate has routinely undergone much more severe changes than it is now WITHOUT human intervention.. I don't believe there is any conclusive evidence showing if humans or nature are screwing up the weather.. We even know that the ozone layer everyone is SOOOO concerned about goes through thinning phases all through-out history some of them much more extreme than what is happening now...
I'd think you were an utterly hilarious troll, except I know people who really believe the kind of things you're saying.
I just love this stuff you toss on the end of your posts... I wish I knew more people who thought the way I did.. but it seems like everyone I meet these days is soooo damn concerned about all this pointless crap they never live for themselves... I know a couple ex-hippies who just HATE all the time they wasted... its a shame really.
I still want to know who these millions of dead are, and what tests killed them.
what I said origonally was "Millions of people have died from radiation from nuke testing" what I ment to say was "Millions of people have died from radiation *AND* from nuke testing" but you get the idea... I just saying that all these countries secretly or openly have neuclear weapons and power, and I think thats more of a concern than my vehicle... is that so hard to understand?
Why shouldn't you take responsibility for the consequences of your choices, while you're at it? It's called "being a grown-up".
ummmmm... let me think... I am and I am... nuf said.
You could pay an additional $400/month in rent with that, be financially even, and have another hour or even two hours a day to yourself.
nice math but it still wouldnt cover the increase in rent, phone, gas ($.20 more), food (much more), and the bars (HUGELY more) and I'd still be driving back here all the time to see my friends/family. I get about 20MPG.. Its a BRAND new 2000 Xterra still under warantee for several more years... my only costs are gas and oil changes. Not only that but cities are just plain nasty dirty gross places with lots of dirtbags in them... no thanks... I enjoy my 3 hours on the road each day... I listen to the news in the morning and at night I practice my circular breathing (for my didgeridoo) and just relax.. a drive anywhere in Maine is a nice one.
Know something? You're really funny. And that's true whether you're joking or serious.
In just a few months we've seen several MASSIVE security holes in microsoft products.. how long will managers risk their companies by continuing to use these products? how long can microsoft keep saying "oops"? I'm rather surprised they aren't charging for these fixes.
you have no idea which group of "you people" I belong to. You have stereotyped me
well, when you start reiterating the same tired lines the environmentalists have used for generations you pretty much drop yourself right into that stereotype... dont you see that? If you fit the mold you are part of the stereo type, and everything I have heard from you is nothing but the same old crap...
The manure and consequent smell and flies are much more worthy causes for complaint.
thats my point exactly! no matter what mode of trasportation I use you would find fault in it.. You have almost a ludite point of view.. my brand new SUV is just as fuel effiecent as the majority of cars in your local used car lot if not better... but everyone gets down on my SUV as 100 black smoke pouring cellicas drive by...
Sure you aren't describing yourself there? Seems to me that if you didn't have a difficult time thinking, you'd have better arguments in favor of your lifestyle choices and less guilt as implied by your heated reaction.
I was a bit enraged at your calling me "greedy" (which you still have yet to support) and I didnt feel your respose deserved too much thought as there was nothing new or interesting there.. your opinions are that of so many other sheep who fail to see or understand that humanity IS nature and humanity IS evolution and this planet is OURS. There are MANY other planets out there and as soon as we leave this one it will begin to recover all on it's own... Environmentalism is just an attempt to hold back progress which would solve all these lame environmental complaints in a decade anyway.
how Heroshima and nagasaki? ring a bell? chernoble? (excuse the spelling but I dont feel like looking it up) how safe do you think china and india have been in the development and testing of their weapons? I dont really think I need a cite to fill you in on the death and destruction nukes have caused... (note: I am not against nuclear weapons... I wish I had one..)
Moving closer to work would mean nearly a doubling of my cost of living (namely rent).. Why shouldn't I maintain the lifestyle I choose? I am not here to simply exist.. I am making the most of my life and doing what I want cause thats the fscking point of being alive!!! You can sit on your hands in the name of saving the planet, but it WILL happen with or without you... humans change the world around them.. we ARE nature we ARE evolution.
I've had to stop, swerve and go off road to avoid idiots driving in the snow... with probably all 4 of my SUVs all made by different people and I have always felt in control and never been part of an accident... I drove my dads little Honda whatever in the snow once (FWD) and the damn thing felt like it had a mind of its own... it was very scary.. all I can relate to you is my experience and I feel there is no comparison, my SUV is safe.. little cars are not...
I would probably be killed in a high-speed crash with an 18-wheeler, but that would be because of the transfer of energy, but because I was rolled over.
I'd imagine my tires are a bit bigger than yours... but aside from that... If we are talking about glare ice I'd imagine you are right and it would be harder for me to stop than you.. but in any depth of snow my weight (2 tons) gives me a HUGE advantage...
I dont believe most real SUVs frames are based on car frames anymore than a truck frame... my SUV is JUST like several pickups made by the same company with an extra piece where the trucks have an empty truck bed... any way.. if we have to have all these lame standards for cars I guess ALL vehicles on the road should have to conform... from motorcycle to big rig...
what the hell good does a bumper hieght minimum do? you'll still have all these rocket-like race cars on the road with a bumper that could be a plow if it was shapped different... those dudes are dead no matter who they hit... and your no more at risk of having my bumper come through your window than I am of some 18 wheelers bumper coming through mine... whats the difference?
errr... I also have antilock brakes... so what... traction IS enhanced by mass... I can stop and start on steep hills no problem.. I can drive 65 in a blizard and pass people in several inches of snow.. no problem.. If I have to stop quick.. I have my antilock breaks or worse case senario I can go off road and 4 wheel drive right back on again... my SUV is not "off balance" its not like I have some huge weight hanging off the drivers side or something... we have ice storms every other week up here and I drive the speed limit while other people trickle down the breakdown lane with their hazzard lights on cause they are SOOOOO afraid of driving in it...
I guess we just have to agree to disagree.. I think people should drive what they want as long as they do it safely... I have just as little respect for an ass in a fiestiva as I do for an ass in an excursion..
As for the extra gas tax.. blech.. I dont think there should be taxes on ANY purchase of anything anywhere in the US.. no luxury tax, snack tax, cig tax, gas tax, sales tax, licensing fees, stamp tax, tea tax.. whatever.. I should pay like %10 of my income at the end of the year and that should be PLENTY to run an incredible government off of.. but thats another issue I guess... but like I said before,if all the gas was gone tomorrow, by august 19th we'd have a new (and probably better) solution for making our cars go... so higher prices will only draw out the problem...
I would like to know how an SUV would help a soccer mom in the snow. Most people that I see driving an SUV don?t know how to drive on dry pavement. Just because you have a lot of weight and 4-wheel drive doesn?t mean that you can do anything you want on snow. And that is why I take my front-wheel drive car with ABS and traction control and drive around all the soccer moms that are in the ditch.
The fact they are female is another problem to overcome altogether... probably the ones you saw in the ditch would have been dead without the SUV... I just know I dont even care if its sunny or the Ice Storm of 98.. I just go where I have to go... If I had to drive my GF's shitty ass honda accord, I wouldnt be going ANYWHERE... why risk it? If you drive a little car in the snow and ice you take your life in your hands everytime... I slid through an intersection could kill you pretty easy... I've never skidded before and I live in Maine, thats all the proof I need...
When I pull up beside one of these idiots who has the stereo pumped with the latest (c)rap or dance tune, I stick in my Ozzy Osbourne CD, flip the sibilance projector to his side of my truck, and pump it. I get 122dB @ 8kHz at 1 meter from the truck. 200 watts, real watts, not car stereo watts, RMS. Earbleed territory. That'll fix 'em.
I gotta meet you dude... you got the best ideas I have ever heard!!:)
1) You aren't the only one who drives an SUV. If you were, I wouldn't be complaining. But the fact is, you and about a zillion other people are driving them. Which means that a LOT of gasoline is being wasted EVERY YEAR so you can look good commuting 3 miles to work in your frigging tank, which means that I pay more for gasoline.
I drive 70 miles to work, in Maine... so in the winter there is snow... lots of snow... I am not trying to justify EVERYONE having an SUV... but if you want to get a class A lisence and drive an 18 wheeler to work every day, I would support your decision to do that regaurdless of your reasons. Many people like to be higher off the road, or the feel safer or maybe the do just think they look good... why does it matter? If you want to drive a little rice burner I dont get down on you for not buying american or the type of labor your XX vehicle used to be built... you bought the car you wanted...
2) The SUV drivers (around here at least) are the most irresponsible drivers on the road.
I'd bet my left arm that you just notice them more because of this deep seated hatred you have.. I see people in BMW's and Porches and Honda Civics driving like complete fools every day... SUV's in my experience are more likely to be going the speed limit and are more likely to NOT be tailgating some big rig that cant see them...
3) SUVs also reduce visibility for other vehicles, and the more of them there are, the harder it is to see. When I'm sitting in traffic behind an SUV with one on either side of me, I can't see a damn thing.
cant help you on this one.. I am on my 4th SUV so I've never had that problem... BIG trucks are often in my way but I am just patient and drive causiously.. what can you do? do you advocate everyone driving the same damn thing? how bad would that suck?
4) Despite the ignorant "we'll have gas forever" propaganda, WE WON'T. And sure, individual SUVs use much less fuel than planes. Of course, an individual murder kills far fewer people than a war. Doesn't mean both things shouldn't be eliminated.
You actually believe we should eliminate SUVs? wow.. I very rarely favor the elimination of any product... market forces eliminate enough stuff with out more government bullshit.. I favor the elimination of gas.. it's messy, expensive, limited, stinky (although I kinda like the smell...), poluting.. etc... but what do you think the fastest path to getting out of our gas powered rut is? using all the damn gas up!! I think it would be GREAT! what if all the gas was gone tomorrow? how long before we had a replacement? I bet it wouldnt even take a month...
I'm not trying to justify the entire planet owning SUVs.. I have one and I wouldn't own anything else... unless it flew...
You really think it's 75%? wow.. I don't know how many soccer moms buy SUVs, or how many of them are used to there capacity... but my buddy's porche probably can do 160MPH or better... is that a waste too? he'll probably NEVER go that fast... but having an SUV could save that Soccer Mom's life if she goes off the road or gets stuck in a snow storm... There are trade offs to everything in life... what kinda car you drive is very trivial...
Ummm well people who drive sporty little cars are always wizzing by me on the highway... going 100 in a stupid ass sports car is not safe... They are dangerous in the snow and they look like "big rig" food...
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With that kinda bandwidth who cares who sees what they're doing? :)
cool thanks... yup... I hear it... wow mp3's suck :)
But what people are trying to say is that it's not hurting them AT ALL.. in fact it may be the opposite...
Right... Its only a few bucks more for the full album usually... and if you like one song than hopefully you'll like more.. I have only bought one single ever and that was Filters "Hey man nice shot" because it had like 5 versions of that song on it (all of which were better than the origonal) and the next day I bought the album anyway :)
I never hear quite the same quality... but that could be in my head... As corny as this sounds: I like to support the artist (and the record label unfortunatly) the music I have been listening to of late is not very main stream at all so I especially feel the need to buy the CD... Didgeridoo artists cant make all that much money :)
Sometimes I get really bored (don't we all) and I type some random word into my Gnapster client and listen to whatever comes up... this has turned me on to some really rad music! I now own both Outback albums and both Dr. Didg albums I even bought a didgeridoo cause I liked the sound so much... before napster I had 3 CD's (tool, clutch and limp bizkit) now I have about 20 and they cover a WIDE range of music... from Aboriginal Didgeridoo music to Static-X...
Really? The Bengalis who drowned last year in the hurricane which inundated the river delta, the Hondurans, Nicaraguans, Guatemalans and El Salvadorans killed or flooded out by Hurricane Mitch, and Mozambiquans whose homes disappeared under completely unseasonable and unprecedented floods... they had a choice?
There is ALWAYS a choice... move for christ sake... I wouldnt live there... as soon as I was old enough to realize I lived someplace that was that dangerous I would leave... I live in Maine and the worst we have is snow and ice.. I may visit florida, but your dumb if you live there.. same with torneado alley... Its just dumb. no sympathy here.
Define "progress" in your lexicon. To me, progress is getting more from less, more goods for less time at work, more cycles out of a smaller and less power-hungry processor, more goods for a given amount of environmental impact, more miles out of less fuel.
Your talking about tweaking, progress is creating things that have never been created before and figuring things out..
And with short natural gas supplies comes more demand for oil as users who can switch, switch; gasoline goes up as a consequence. Enjoy.
I'm only going to say this one more time: I DONT CARE I DONT CARE I DONT CARE I DONT CARE I DONT CARE I DONT CARE... Did you hear it that time? I'll pay for gas until it is $3.00 a gallon.. by then we'll have a replacement I'd bet my life on it.
I don't expect to have Social Security to depend on, so I'm taking my $14/day (and more) and shoving it into a 401(k). I expect to live more comfortably than you.
I put 17% of my income into a 401k and $2000 a year into a roth IRA. My stock portfolio has tripled in value over the last year. I am 23 years old and I will be a multi-millionaire in 2 years... I have a computer science degree and an economics minor. If I am not retired in 10 years something is seriously wrong. My one indulgence besides women, is my car.. I think I'll be just fine.
Anyone can set up a page at tripod.
anyone can set up a page anywhere... its just an essay.. but there is alot of interesting confirmable info there... but, whatever.
I found all those links on the first page of a google search for anti-environmentalism so Its obviously not the cream of the crop.. the majority is the same propaganda bullshit that one would get by searching for environmentalism.. propaganda is propaganda... The facts are out there and if you were interested you could find them... I wish I could find those ice core graphs to show you but I dont have the time and I dont remember the association that collected the data... some university I believe... oh well...
I am taking a natural resource class on the internet right now, and learning some interesting things.. like I had no idea that bodies of water (mostly rivers) commonly burst into flame and burned for a week at a time in the late 60's... those things never happen now.. we have learned a great deal about what effect we have on the environment and it only gets better and it will get better with out all this nazi like activism... Only time will tell I guess...
HA! look for your self.. almost the last thing on the page...
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That nitwit is paying a ton extra for gas and is risking his life from rollovers, and is smogging up the air to boot. In five years that truck will be worth almost nothing; maybe in three years, if gas prices spike again.
How many freakin mountain tops do I have to scream it from for you to understand? I DONT CARE ABOUT THE DAMN COST!!! If its not worth anything when I go get my next vehicle (a HUMMER!!) I wont even care.. I might donate it to someone anyway like I did with my last vehicle.. jeeze... as for rollovers.. This vehicle feels very stable, and when I was "breaking it in" I did some on/off ramps much faster than the posted limit and it didnt even give me the feeling of going over... I have swerved to miss 3 deer and 2 moose (I've aimed for several cats but missed) no problem... so whatever.
who have no choice about where they live
this statement is SOOO dumb.
You don't care that the pace of human-induced change is enormously faster than natural changes.
I dont believe this is true... I will try to find some cites in a sec...
So you advocate the unrestricted trashing of Earth,
no I advocate personal freedom and unrestricted progress.
More efficient ways were available to you when you were making your purchase.
I believe I have said SEVERAL times that my first priority was comfort... why should I get something I am unhappy with for YOUR piece of mind? it was MY $24,000... and its MY $14 bucks a day... and I pay just as much and more to the EPA and DOE etc.. to regulate and clean up all this shit... I dont dump my oil down the drain and I dont use aerosol shit (gives me a headache) I just want to drive the car that makes me happy...
Even if someone HAD a better way for sale, you just weren't interested.
I looked at EVERY SUV within 100 miles and I looked on the web and I even road some cars (outback) that I thought I might be able to live with... given all that info I made my choice... sorry if it isnt the choice you would have made... but thats for YOU to deal with not me...
As for the ozone layer, speed of climate shift, and so forth: Cites, please. (Not that I expect you to be able to support your assertions, but I find your evasions amusing.)
I'm not evading anything... I just figured someone as "open minded" as your self would already know where to go to find this kind of information... but obviously you base your "knowledge" off the same bullshit the enviro-nazis have been spounting for years... Its just sooo much EASIER to believe we are destroying the planet than to believe the planet is VERY dynamic and changes all the time on it's own... so you go ahead and take the easy way... sheep
http://www.setfortruth.org/index.html
http://www.sovereignty.net/p/clim/
http://www.sepp.org/pressrel/petition.html
http://www.globalwarming.org/sciup/sci11-11-99.ht
http://members.tripod.com/~GOPcapitalist/FAQS.htm
http://www.sepp.org/NewSEPP/gore.html
http://www.dmoz.org/Society/Issues/Environment/An
here is a chart! - http://www.setfortruth.org/report.htm
thats just what I found in like 10 minutes... the real good information I was thinking of comes from ice and sea cores... but I was shown those in an environmental class I took a year or so ago and it would take me a bit longer to find that specific information.. I did, however, find it very interesting.. the climate swings over the last few million years are just freaking amazing.. The planet went from ice age to like it is now in a matter of a few thousand years... it took 100 thousand for it to freeze... its all about the thermohaline circulation and shit like that... this little heat wave we are having now doesnt mean a damn thing...
I like science as much as the next nerd... but I'm not reading that paper.. just looking at the abstract made me wonder when the home work was due :) Pretty crazy I've got first post on a science story 6 hours after it went live... oh well... happy thursday everyone :)
Maybe if it was on the front page.. I just happened to do a search for something and saw this article on the search page..
non-problem transportation is available at dealers nationwide?
non-problem? k....
1.Was such an SUV among the more efficient or less efficient choices you could have made? What kind of mileage do you get?
I didnt make my choice based on gas mileage.. I asked about it after the fact, but it was a NON factor... I knew I would be spending 3 hours a day in it for 3 months then probably driving around the country in it after that.. So comfort was priority one, so instantly all the cars were out because being close to the ground makes me edgy, personal problem I guess... From experience I know that SUVs handle great in the snow and can take a beating out in the woods and an SUV keeps more shit dry than a pickup... so I picked a bright yellow 2000 xterra for $24,000 and smiled while I wrote the check. After 10,000 miles I still love it.
2.With 6 billion other people on earth having to live with the consequences of your choice (especially those who live on river deltas barely above sea level, or on atolls which will vanish if sea levels rise very much), what's your moral justification for your choice?
I guess I just dont care about people who would live in a flood zone... sorry... tough shit.. The sea level has changed often over the last 10,000 years... its to be expected...
There are 8 other planets and many smaller bodies orbitting Sol, but I haven't heard of anyone making a living on any of them yet.
YET!!!!! jeeze...
How will continued spewing of fossil carbon into the atmosphere solve the dual growing problems of global warming and increasingly severe weather?
Its not that continually doing these things will improve anything... of course they wouldnt! But what does happen is we learn how to burn more effiecently.. and eventually how not to burn at all.. we learn what impact chemicals have on life.. we see better ways to do it.. If you've seen pictures around england during the industrial revolution where EVERYTHING was blackened you may note that we have come a long way... with still a long way to go... as for the weather... you may notice that studies of ice and sea cores show us that the climate has routinely undergone much more severe changes than it is now WITHOUT human intervention.. I don't believe there is any conclusive evidence showing if humans or nature are screwing up the weather.. We even know that the ozone layer everyone is SOOOO concerned about goes through thinning phases all through-out history some of them much more extreme than what is happening now...
I'd think you were an utterly hilarious troll, except I know people who really believe the kind of things you're saying.
I just love this stuff you toss on the end of your posts... I wish I knew more people who thought the way I did.. but it seems like everyone I meet these days is soooo damn concerned about all this pointless crap they never live for themselves... I know a couple ex-hippies who just HATE all the time they wasted... its a shame really.
I still want to know who these millions of dead are, and what tests killed them.
what I said origonally was "Millions of people have died from radiation from nuke testing" what I ment to say was "Millions of people have died from radiation *AND* from nuke testing" but you get the idea... I just saying that all these countries secretly or openly have neuclear weapons and power, and I think thats more of a concern than my vehicle... is that so hard to understand?
Why shouldn't you take responsibility for the consequences of your choices, while you're at it? It's called "being a grown-up".
ummmmm... let me think... I am and I am... nuf said.
You could pay an additional $400/month in rent with that, be financially even, and have another hour or even two hours a day to yourself.
nice math but it still wouldnt cover the increase in rent, phone, gas ($.20 more), food (much more), and the bars (HUGELY more) and I'd still be driving back here all the time to see my friends/family. I get about 20MPG.. Its a BRAND new 2000 Xterra still under warantee for several more years... my only costs are gas and oil changes. Not only that but cities are just plain nasty dirty gross places with lots of dirtbags in them... no thanks... I enjoy my 3 hours on the road each day... I listen to the news in the morning and at night I practice my circular breathing (for my didgeridoo) and just relax.. a drive anywhere in Maine is a nice one.
Know something? You're really funny. And that's true whether you're joking or serious.
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In just a few months we've seen several MASSIVE security holes in microsoft products.. how long will managers risk their companies by continuing to use these products? how long can microsoft keep saying "oops"? I'm rather surprised they aren't charging for these fixes.
you have no idea which group of "you people" I belong to. You have stereotyped me
well, when you start reiterating the same tired lines the environmentalists have used for generations you pretty much drop yourself right into that stereotype... dont you see that? If you fit the mold you are part of the stereo type, and everything I have heard from you is nothing but the same old crap...
The manure and consequent smell and flies are much more worthy causes for complaint.
thats my point exactly! no matter what mode of trasportation I use you would find fault in it.. You have almost a ludite point of view.. my brand new SUV is just as fuel effiecent as the majority of cars in your local used car lot if not better... but everyone gets down on my SUV as 100 black smoke pouring cellicas drive by...
Sure you aren't describing yourself there? Seems to me that if you didn't have a difficult time thinking, you'd have better arguments in favor of your lifestyle choices and less guilt as implied by your heated reaction.
I was a bit enraged at your calling me "greedy" (which you still have yet to support) and I didnt feel your respose deserved too much thought as there was nothing new or interesting there.. your opinions are that of so many other sheep who fail to see or understand that humanity IS nature and humanity IS evolution and this planet is OURS. There are MANY other planets out there and as soon as we leave this one it will begin to recover all on it's own... Environmentalism is just an attempt to hold back progress which would solve all these lame environmental complaints in a decade anyway.
how Heroshima and nagasaki? ring a bell? chernoble? (excuse the spelling but I dont feel like looking it up) how safe do you think china and india have been in the development and testing of their weapons? I dont really think I need a cite to fill you in on the death and destruction nukes have caused... (note: I am not against nuclear weapons... I wish I had one..)
Moving closer to work would mean nearly a doubling of my cost of living (namely rent).. Why shouldn't I maintain the lifestyle I choose? I am not here to simply exist.. I am making the most of my life and doing what I want cause thats the fscking point of being alive!!! You can sit on your hands in the name of saving the planet, but it WILL happen with or without you... humans change the world around them.. we ARE nature we ARE evolution.
I've had to stop, swerve and go off road to avoid idiots driving in the snow... with probably all 4 of my SUVs all made by different people and I have always felt in control and never been part of an accident... I drove my dads little Honda whatever in the snow once (FWD) and the damn thing felt like it had a mind of its own... it was very scary.. all I can relate to you is my experience and I feel there is no comparison, my SUV is safe.. little cars are not...
I would probably be killed in a high-speed crash with an 18-wheeler, but that would be because of the transfer of energy, but because I was rolled over.
huh?
I'd imagine my tires are a bit bigger than yours... but aside from that... If we are talking about glare ice I'd imagine you are right and it would be harder for me to stop than you.. but in any depth of snow my weight (2 tons) gives me a HUGE advantage...
I dont believe most real SUVs frames are based on car frames anymore than a truck frame... my SUV is JUST like several pickups made by the same company with an extra piece where the trucks have an empty truck bed... any way.. if we have to have all these lame standards for cars I guess ALL vehicles on the road should have to conform... from motorcycle to big rig...
what the hell good does a bumper hieght minimum do? you'll still have all these rocket-like race cars on the road with a bumper that could be a plow if it was shapped different... those dudes are dead no matter who they hit... and your no more at risk of having my bumper come through your window than I am of some 18 wheelers bumper coming through mine... whats the difference?
errr... I also have antilock brakes... so what... traction IS enhanced by mass... I can stop and start on steep hills no problem.. I can drive 65 in a blizard and pass people in several inches of snow.. no problem.. If I have to stop quick.. I have my antilock breaks or worse case senario I can go off road and 4 wheel drive right back on again... my SUV is not "off balance" its not like I have some huge weight hanging off the drivers side or something... we have ice storms every other week up here and I drive the speed limit while other people trickle down the breakdown lane with their hazzard lights on cause they are SOOOOO afraid of driving in it...
I guess we just have to agree to disagree.. I think people should drive what they want as long as they do it safely... I have just as little respect for an ass in a fiestiva as I do for an ass in an excursion..
,if all the gas was gone tomorrow, by august 19th we'd have a new (and probably better) solution for making our cars go... so higher prices will only draw out the problem...
As for the extra gas tax.. blech.. I dont think there should be taxes on ANY purchase of anything anywhere in the US.. no luxury tax, snack tax, cig tax, gas tax, sales tax, licensing fees, stamp tax, tea tax.. whatever.. I should pay like %10 of my income at the end of the year and that should be PLENTY to run an incredible government off of.. but thats another issue I guess... but like I said before
I would like to know how an SUV would help a soccer mom in the snow. Most people that I see driving an SUV don?t know how to drive on dry pavement. Just because you have a lot of weight and 4-wheel drive doesn?t mean that you can do anything you want on snow. And that is why I take my front-wheel drive car with ABS and traction control and drive around all the soccer moms that are in the ditch.
The fact they are female is another problem to overcome altogether... probably the ones you saw in the ditch would have been dead without the SUV... I just know I dont even care if its sunny or the Ice Storm of 98.. I just go where I have to go... If I had to drive my GF's shitty ass honda accord, I wouldnt be going ANYWHERE... why risk it? If you drive a little car in the snow and ice you take your life in your hands everytime... I slid through an intersection could kill you pretty easy... I've never skidded before and I live in Maine, thats all the proof I need...
When I pull up beside one of these idiots who has the stereo pumped with the latest (c)rap or dance tune, I stick in my Ozzy Osbourne CD, flip the sibilance projector to his side of my truck, and pump it. I get 122dB @ 8kHz at 1 meter from the truck. 200 watts, real watts, not car stereo watts, RMS. Earbleed territory. That'll fix 'em.
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I gotta meet you dude... you got the best ideas I have ever heard!!
1) You aren't the only one who drives an SUV. If you were, I wouldn't be complaining. But the fact is, you and about a zillion other people are driving them. Which means that a LOT of gasoline is being wasted EVERY YEAR so you can look good commuting 3 miles to work in your frigging tank, which means that I pay more for gasoline.
I drive 70 miles to work, in Maine... so in the winter there is snow... lots of snow... I am not trying to justify EVERYONE having an SUV... but if you want to get a class A lisence and drive an 18 wheeler to work every day, I would support your decision to do that regaurdless of your reasons. Many people like to be higher off the road, or the feel safer or maybe the do just think they look good... why does it matter? If you want to drive a little rice burner I dont get down on you for not buying american or the type of labor your XX vehicle used to be built... you bought the car you wanted...
2) The SUV drivers (around here at least) are the most irresponsible drivers on the road.
I'd bet my left arm that you just notice them more because of this deep seated hatred you have.. I see people in BMW's and Porches and Honda Civics driving like complete fools every day... SUV's in my experience are more likely to be going the speed limit and are more likely to NOT be tailgating some big rig that cant see them...
3) SUVs also reduce visibility for other vehicles, and the more of them there are, the harder it is to see. When I'm sitting in traffic behind an SUV with one on either side of me, I can't see a damn thing.
cant help you on this one.. I am on my 4th SUV so I've never had that problem... BIG trucks are often in my way but I am just patient and drive causiously.. what can you do? do you advocate everyone driving the same damn thing? how bad would that suck?
4) Despite the ignorant "we'll have gas forever" propaganda, WE WON'T. And sure, individual SUVs use much less fuel than planes. Of course, an individual murder kills far fewer people than a war. Doesn't mean both things shouldn't be eliminated.
You actually believe we should eliminate SUVs? wow.. I very rarely favor the elimination of any product... market forces eliminate enough stuff with out more government bullshit.. I favor the elimination of gas.. it's messy, expensive, limited, stinky (although I kinda like the smell...), poluting.. etc... but what do you think the fastest path to getting out of our gas powered rut is? using all the damn gas up!! I think it would be GREAT! what if all the gas was gone tomorrow? how long before we had a replacement? I bet it wouldnt even take a month...
I'm not trying to justify the entire planet owning SUVs.. I have one and I wouldn't own anything else... unless it flew...
You really think it's 75%? wow.. I don't know how many soccer moms buy SUVs, or how many of them are used to there capacity... but my buddy's porche probably can do 160MPH or better... is that a waste too? he'll probably NEVER go that fast... but having an SUV could save that Soccer Mom's life if she goes off the road or gets stuck in a snow storm... There are trade offs to everything in life... what kinda car you drive is very trivial...
Ummm well people who drive sporty little cars are always wizzing by me on the highway... going 100 in a stupid ass sports car is not safe... They are dangerous in the snow and they look like "big rig" food...