OK, now that I RTFA, I'm not at all convinced that Google is working on a browser at all.
Google isn't a software company, it's an information company. I find it much more likely that it's looking at the "network computer" idea. Email storage really isn't much of a "virtual hard drive," but Google could easily get into the business of providing just that. We've already seen personalized portals (my.yourportalhere.com), but then again, we'd already seen webmail before Gmail.
Google is just the company to make people (or groups of people - think G-roupware!) productive, or at least organized, on any browser at any computer. They don't need the browser people to create a new browser, but to make their ideas work in existing browsers.
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Nader is debating Badnarik. All others are invited. C-SPAN won't be covering it.
No, it's Green Party candidate David Cobb who's debating Badnarik, and CSPAN did cover it.
It seems to me that a story like "Open the Debates" is indicative of the need for "third" party topic images here on politics./.. There should be, at a minimum, a sunflower for the Green Party, and a Statue of Liberty for the Libertarians.
I am on the web team for the Green Party candidate, David Cobb. Every member of the team is an open-source purist, and approached the project prepared to win over the others, though that turned out to be unecessary. We are currently using PostNuke on Debian, but this has proved too clunky for heavy usage by people with a wide variety of skill levels. We are currently developing a new site, which will be Plone (Zope) running on BSD.
David himself is not much of a technophile, but has the sense to use a PowerBook on the road.
This is true. As a US citizen with a good number of Canadian friends, I can confirm that the "aboot" thing is much exaggerated. However, I have yet to read anything here about another Canadianism - their quirky tendency to pronounce their O's as if they were O's. For example, where we Yanks say "PRAH-ject," Canadians say "PROH-ject."
(Emphasis, at least the bolded part, in original.)
You must use that same same spellchecker that at least one Canadian has been unable to find. Don't feel bad, I couldn't find a spellcheker on the post page, either.
(2) Sodipodi is a vector drawing program, Scribus is a DTP program. Not in the same field.
Partly true, partly not. Vector drawing is not the same as DTP, but there are connections between them. The Scribus team and the Inkscape team, for example, are working actively to coordinate their backends and make it easy for users to use the two apps together. You can get an idea of the short-term implications of this here, and the long-term implications here.
My question is, when will there be a.ppc.rpm version, or a source that isn't specific to i686? I'm on Yellow Dog, and haven't been able to make anything since the pre-installed 1.2b work.
And yes, I tried the yum links in the mirrors. I couldn't make them work.
I am the webmaster for declared Green Party pre-candidate David Cobb. It's a Zope/Plone site running on BSD. i also run the site for Cynthia McKinney, but I haven't put much time into her site recently, and don't plan to until she gives a stronger indication that she's interested in us.
Cobb's site will be growing in the near future, as the web team expands.
And for those of you who want to post crap about Nader spoiling in 2000, first read this, this, and especially this, which contains a whole string of surprises.
I also think this makes a lot more sense for the blind (as a lot of posts have mentioned). After all, to be applicable for fighter pilots, they would need to have full surround sound (including above and below)... wearable under their helmets.
Also, wouldn't this be distracting while flying in formation?
And how would you implement such a system on the scale that fighters duel in (dozens of kilometers)?
And how would you compensate for the fact that jet fighters fly faster than the speed of sound?
I have had no end of trouble with my winmodem. No matter what I do, I can't get Knoppix(!) to recognize it. I tracked what KPPP is doing, and I just can't get the devices to obey. (Yes, I downloaded the correct driver on another computer and successfully installed it.) If I could at least get past this annoyance, I could get online to use Google to investigate my other annoyances.
Trying to understand Linux as a "Windows substitute" is a doomed prospect.
In a strict sense, though, Linux is indeed a substitute for Windows for Joe Enduser. "Before, I used Windows, and now I use Linux." Hence, it's a substitute.
Their differences aren't just a matter of tradeoffs: they are radically different kinds of system
Yes, this is true. But if you say that to Joe Enduser, you can expect a blank look in response. Joe only barely understands the Windows system - he doesn't have to, and he doesn't want to. Don't expect him to learn a radically different system. If we ever want to see Linux overtake Windows on the desktop, understanding the filesystem will need to be optional. The good news is, an icon to the home directory on the desktop or panel is a huge step in this direction, and KDE and Gnome already have this.
Windows (or, moreso, Macintosh) users who come to Linux looking for that kind of carefully tuned GUI are likely to be disappointed -- and pushing the KDE control panels on them as "almost as good" is inviting their disappointment.
I've used Macs for 13 years now, and while KDE doesn't yet measure up, there's no reason to think that it couldn't in 2-3 years, if the Linux community puts some serious thought into UI. I'm starting a UI mail list for Scribus, so I can confirm that there are people who take this seriously.
The new user just has to un-learn old assumptions
This is a variation on RTFM, which is to say that while I don't disagree per se, putting it this way is really not helpful. We need to meet new users more than halfway, if we want to continue to have new users.
The posters who say that Scribus has a ways to go to catch up to Quark and InDesign are right, but I'm dismayed that they don't seem to think it will ever do so. If OpenOffice.org can catch up to Word, if the GIMP can catch up to Photoshop, and so on, then Scribus can catch up to Quark. That is to say, it hasn't happened yet, but it's close enough to make the BigCorps nervous. This is a big step forward for open source.
I've watched Scribus over the last six months, and it's improving at what I can only call a breakneck pace. While it's not Quark or InDesign, it's good enough for me to use for my day job.
I quite agree. I really don't see what the big deal about installing Debian is - get Knoppix and use the hdinstall script. I'm far from a hard-core techie, and I've done this twice with no help.
I started with Knoppix, switched to Mandrake, switched again to RH, and am now back to Knoppix. The reason is simply that Knoppix is what I want from Linux: choice and configurability. The whole stability thing is a plus, too; it's why I switched away from RH.
Thanks for linking to this, but frankly, what they write is really weak. They looked at raised symbols, Braille, cutting corners, and different-sized bills, but decided not to use them because "the durability of these modifications is limited."
Hello? Cut corners would grow back? Different-sized bills would revert to the same size?
This is correct. For example, how many Deocratic Senators voted against the PATRIOT Act? One. How many Senate Democrats voted against Scalia? Zero. How many corporations donated to both Gore and Bush in 2000? 66.
Bush and Gore both were heavily invested in oil before 2000. Now Gore supports Bush's rush to war.
The Democrats are the iron fist in the velvet glove. The Republicans are just the iron fist. If you want to make a change, join the only party that is growing in the US, the Green Party.
Nader has simply shown zero ability for that kind of a job.
No worries there. Apparently, the Presidency has no requirements whatsoever these days. But seriously, Nader thinks deeply, speaks clearly, and acts decisively. He also happens to be brutally honest, a quality we haven't had in a President since... well, ever.
As a Green, I hope to see someone other Ralph nominated in 2004, and I even started a website to that effect. But I'll always remeber how good it felt to vote for Nader. I have no regrets.
When he says there is no difference between Democrats and Republicans, he's either lying, or an idiot.
Go back and check your facts. You never actually heardhim say that. You only heard second-hand that he had said it. In fact, what he really said was that the difference wasn't enough to make a difference. Close, but not the same statement.
What we have today is a far-right party up against a center-right party. There's your difference.
Leadership requires the right mix of idealism and pragmatism, and Nader badly fails that test.
Are you kidding? Nader has saved more lives than Gore and Bush added together, or for that matter, multiplied. You have to be an idealist to take on corporate power, and you have to be a pragmatist to win, not just once, but over and over.
There's not an idealist among the Democratic would-bes, and W wouldn't know an idea if it bit him on the nose.
If he actually WON the presidency, he'd be disasterous at it.
Right, he'd probably do disastrous things like see that poor people have health care and education, that wilderness areas are protected, that corporate monopolies are controlled, that foreign conflicts are handled with civility and diplomacy. Not like the enlightened path we're currently on.
And since even he knows that he isn't going to win,
Wrong. The Green Party didn't take the White House in 2000, but we did grow explosively. We became a household word. And in 2002, we ran more candidates (and had more wins) than we did with Nader. That's a win.
running mainly makes him just the Perot-of-the-left, working as a spoiler to get Bush reelected.
Hey, is it Nader's fault the sitting VP of a very popular President couldn't beat an ex-cokehead who's dumber than Dan Quayle put together? Is it Nader's fault Gore couldn't win his own freaking home state? Or Clinton's?
People knew the risks of not voting for Gore. Yet 2.7 million of us took the risk (and probably twice as many again thought seriously about it). The overwhelming majority would do so again, and many who voted for Gore will vote Green next time. You call it spoiling, I call it standing up for what you believe in.
If you want our votes in 2004, here's what to do: steal our platform. Go ahead. We arrived at it in an unusually democratic fashion, but we'd be happy to see you adopt it in any way. Our ideas are what draw people to us, and if you want to draw them back, you now know how.
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OK, now that I RTFA, I'm not at all convinced that Google is working on a browser at all.
Google isn't a software company, it's an information company. I find it much more likely that it's looking at the "network computer" idea. Email storage really isn't much of a "virtual hard drive," but Google could easily get into the business of providing just that. We've already seen personalized portals (my.yourportalhere.com), but then again, we'd already seen webmail before Gmail.
Google is just the company to make people (or groups of people - think G-roupware!) productive, or at least organized, on any browser at any computer. They don't need the browser people to create a new browser, but to make their ideas work in existing browsers.
Nader is debating Badnarik. All others are invited. C-SPAN won't be covering it.
No, it's Green Party candidate David Cobb who's debating Badnarik, and CSPAN did cover it.
It seems to me that a story like "Open the Debates" is indicative of the need for "third" party topic images here on politics./.. There should be, at a minimum, a sunflower for the Green Party, and a Statue of Liberty for the Libertarians.
I am on the web team for the Green Party candidate, David Cobb. Every member of the team is an open-source purist, and approached the project prepared to win over the others, though that turned out to be unecessary. We are currently using PostNuke on Debian, but this has proved too clunky for heavy usage by people with a wide variety of skill levels. We are currently developing a new site, which will be Plone (Zope) running on BSD.
David himself is not much of a technophile, but has the sense to use a PowerBook on the road.
This is true. As a US citizen with a good number of Canadian friends, I can confirm that the "aboot" thing is much exaggerated. However, I have yet to read anything here about another Canadianism - their quirky tendency to pronounce their O's as if they were O's. For example, where we Yanks say "PRAH-ject," Canadians say "PROH-ject."
they make an emense profit.
(Emphasis, at least the bolded part, in original.)
You must use that same same spellchecker that at least one Canadian has been unable to find. Don't feel bad, I couldn't find a spellcheker on the post page, either.
See, spell-checkers work wonders, don't they?
Wait, the post page has not one, but multiple spellcheckers? I never noticed! In fact, here I am on the post page, and I still can't find it.
(2) Sodipodi is a vector drawing program, Scribus is a DTP program. Not in the same field.
Partly true, partly not. Vector drawing is not the same as DTP, but there are connections between them. The Scribus team and the Inkscape team, for example, are working actively to coordinate their backends and make it easy for users to use the two apps together. You can get an idea of the short-term implications of this here, and the long-term implications here.
*Trojan Horse - in its original sense
Invading Sparta?
I wonder what other names people have come up with.
Fire Lichen
Fire Tuna
Fire Cave Cricket
Fire Faceless Bureacrat
Holocaust Cloak
Fire Lambs And Sloths And Carp And Anchovies And Orangutans And Breakfast Cereals And Fruit Bats...
Fire Bush In November
Let Me Stand Next To Your Browser
OpenFire.org
Fire Of The Vanities
Prometheus
Fire With Fire
Farenheit451
Forest Fire
Flame Broiled To A Nice Golden Brown
(Note: these were meant to be one word each, but the lameness filter blocks that.)
My question is, when will there be a .ppc.rpm version, or a source that isn't specific to i686? I'm on Yellow Dog, and haven't been able to make anything since the pre-installed 1.2b work.
And yes, I tried the yum links in the mirrors. I couldn't make them work.
Maybe it's just that I don't live either in New Zealand or the US... but what the hell is twee-ness?
I am the webmaster for declared Green Party pre-candidate David Cobb. It's a Zope/Plone site running on BSD. i also run the site for Cynthia McKinney, but I haven't put much time into her site recently, and don't plan to until she gives a stronger indication that she's interested in us.
Cobb's site will be growing in the near future, as the web team expands.
And for those of you who want to post crap about Nader spoiling in 2000, first read this, this, and especially this, which contains a whole string of surprises.
When you were reading the article you linked, did you notice that your "olde English tale" is actually an article in Science from 1968?
I also think this makes a lot more sense for the blind (as a lot of posts have mentioned). After all, to be applicable for fighter pilots, they would need to have full surround sound (including above and below)... wearable under their helmets.
Also, wouldn't this be distracting while flying in formation?
And how would you implement such a system on the scale that fighters duel in (dozens of kilometers)?
And how would you compensate for the fact that jet fighters fly faster than the speed of sound?
I've heard many times that Zope is what Cold Fusion wants to be when it grows up. Sounds like it's growing up now.
Oh, wait, did you mean the other cold fusion?
I can't believe no one has mentioned this yet.
I have had no end of trouble with my winmodem. No matter what I do, I can't get Knoppix(!) to recognize it. I tracked what KPPP is doing, and I just can't get the devices to obey. (Yes, I downloaded the correct driver on another computer and successfully installed it.) If I could at least get past this annoyance, I could get online to use Google to investigate my other annoyances.
Trying to understand Linux as a "Windows substitute" is a doomed prospect.
In a strict sense, though, Linux is indeed a substitute for Windows for Joe Enduser. "Before, I used Windows, and now I use Linux." Hence, it's a substitute.
Their differences aren't just a matter of tradeoffs: they are radically different kinds of system
Yes, this is true. But if you say that to Joe Enduser, you can expect a blank look in response. Joe only barely understands the Windows system - he doesn't have to, and he doesn't want to. Don't expect him to learn a radically different system. If we ever want to see Linux overtake Windows on the desktop, understanding the filesystem will need to be optional. The good news is, an icon to the home directory on the desktop or panel is a huge step in this direction, and KDE and Gnome already have this.
Windows (or, moreso, Macintosh) users who come to Linux looking for that kind of carefully tuned GUI are likely to be disappointed -- and pushing the KDE control panels on them as "almost as good" is inviting their disappointment.
I've used Macs for 13 years now, and while KDE doesn't yet measure up, there's no reason to think that it couldn't in 2-3 years, if the Linux community puts some serious thought into UI. I'm starting a UI mail list for Scribus, so I can confirm that there are people who take this seriously.
The new user just has to un-learn old assumptions
This is a variation on RTFM, which is to say that while I don't disagree per se, putting it this way is really not helpful. We need to meet new users more than halfway, if we want to continue to have new users.
The posters who say that Scribus has a ways to go to catch up to Quark and InDesign are right, but I'm dismayed that they don't seem to think it will ever do so. If OpenOffice.org can catch up to Word, if the GIMP can catch up to Photoshop, and so on, then Scribus can catch up to Quark. That is to say, it hasn't happened yet, but it's close enough to make the BigCorps nervous. This is a big step forward for open source.
I've watched Scribus over the last six months, and it's improving at what I can only call a breakneck pace. While it's not Quark or InDesign, it's good enough for me to use for my day job.
I quite agree. I really don't see what the big deal about installing Debian is - get Knoppix and use the hdinstall script. I'm far from a hard-core techie, and I've done this twice with no help.
I started with Knoppix, switched to Mandrake, switched again to RH, and am now back to Knoppix. The reason is simply that Knoppix is what I want from Linux: choice and configurability. The whole stability thing is a plus, too; it's why I switched away from RH.
Thanks for linking to this, but frankly, what they write is really weak. They looked at raised symbols, Braille, cutting corners, and different-sized bills, but decided not to use them because "the durability of these modifications is limited."
Hello? Cut corners would grow back? Different-sized bills would revert to the same size?
Sure, the people on board the shuttle are worth more than those aboard commercial flights
WTF? Who are you to decide which people are "worth more" than others?
I've bee researching exactly that (a replacement for Cool Edit Pro). The best option seems to be Sweep.
This is correct. For example, how many Deocratic Senators voted against the PATRIOT Act? One. How many Senate Democrats voted against Scalia? Zero. How many corporations donated to both Gore and Bush in 2000? 66.
Bush and Gore both were heavily invested in oil before 2000. Now Gore supports Bush's rush to war.
The Democrats are the iron fist in the velvet glove. The Republicans are just the iron fist. If you want to make a change, join the only party that is growing in the US, the Green Party.
Speaking as a respectibly left wing Democrat,
Feeling lonely these days?
Nader has simply shown zero ability for that kind of a job.
No worries there. Apparently, the Presidency has no requirements whatsoever these days. But seriously, Nader thinks deeply, speaks clearly, and acts decisively. He also happens to be brutally honest, a quality we haven't had in a President since... well, ever.
As a Green, I hope to see someone other Ralph nominated in 2004, and I even started a website to that effect. But I'll always remeber how good it felt to vote for Nader. I have no regrets.
When he says there is no difference between Democrats and Republicans, he's either lying, or an idiot.
Go back and check your facts. You never actually heard him say that. You only heard second-hand that he had said it. In fact, what he really said was that the difference wasn't enough to make a difference. Close, but not the same statement.
What we have today is a far-right party up against a center-right party. There's your difference.
Leadership requires the right mix of idealism and pragmatism, and Nader badly fails that test.
Are you kidding? Nader has saved more lives than Gore and Bush added together, or for that matter, multiplied. You have to be an idealist to take on corporate power, and you have to be a pragmatist to win, not just once, but over and over.
There's not an idealist among the Democratic would-bes, and W wouldn't know an idea if it bit him on the nose.
If he actually WON the presidency, he'd be disasterous at it.
Right, he'd probably do disastrous things like see that poor people have health care and education, that wilderness areas are protected, that corporate monopolies are controlled, that foreign conflicts are handled with civility and diplomacy. Not like the enlightened path we're currently on.
And since even he knows that he isn't going to win,
Wrong. The Green Party didn't take the White House in 2000, but we did grow explosively. We became a household word. And in 2002, we ran more candidates (and had more wins) than we did with Nader. That's a win.
running mainly makes him just the Perot-of-the-left, working as a spoiler to get Bush reelected.
Hey, is it Nader's fault the sitting VP of a very popular President couldn't beat an ex-cokehead who's dumber than Dan Quayle put together? Is it Nader's fault Gore couldn't win his own freaking home state? Or Clinton's?
People knew the risks of not voting for Gore. Yet 2.7 million of us took the risk (and probably twice as many again thought seriously about it). The overwhelming majority would do so again, and many who voted for Gore will vote Green next time. You call it spoiling, I call it standing up for what you believe in.
If you want our votes in 2004, here's what to do: steal our platform. Go ahead. We arrived at it in an unusually democratic fashion, but we'd be happy to see you adopt it in any way. Our ideas are what draw people to us, and if you want to draw them back, you now know how.
One last thing... ask a local Green what IRV is.