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Scribus 1.1.6 Reviewed

TrialOfFire points out MadPenguin's review (with helpful screenshots) of Scribus 1.1.6, which attempts to answer "what is Scribus really like? Can anyone just pick it up and use it? Is it really as powerful as they say it is? And does it live up to the hype surrounding it?"

201 comments

  1. Killer app it isn't by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Funny

    who recently proclaimed Scribus to be one of "Free Software's Killer Applications"

    Oh yes yes sure... but when will they learn? the *only* free software killer application is here. And I should know, it very nearly killed me.

    Oh and by the way, I'm sure it can do desktop publishing too some way or another...

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    1. Re:Killer app it isn't by Sri+Lumpa · · Score: 1

      "I'm sure it [Emacs] can do desktop publishing too some way or another..."

      If it doesn't nothing prevents you from writing one in elisp.

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  2. Ah but: by MrZaius · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Does it answer this one?
    What the hell is it?

    Might have been nice to mention that in the /. post, too.

    1. Re:Ah but: by Simon+(S2) · · Score: 5, Informative

      What the hell is it?
      from the Scibus site:

      1.1 What is Scribus?

      Scribus is a desktop page layout program in the tradition of Corel Ventura®, Quark Xpress®, PageMaker® and InDesign®

      Since its launch in the spring of 2001, Scribus 1.+ offers Linux and Unix users a versatile and user friendly page layout application. Scribus 1.0 and its recent development versions are being used in a number of ways; from brochure design to newsletters and posters to technical documentation. Scribus has the type of the features one would expect in a sophisticated page layout application. You can do all the typical tasks like precision placing and rotating of text and/or images on a page, specify manual kerning of type and much more. With the release of Scribus 1.0, Linux and Unix users now have one more high quality application for the desktop, making it the premier choice for DTP on Linux or BSD with other platforms to come.

      Underneath the modern and user friendly interface, Scribus supports professional publishing features, such as CMYK color and a simple color management system to soft proof images destined for high quality color printing, Other features include flexible PDF creation options, PDF Import, Encapsulated Postscript import/export and creation of 4 color separations. Scribus also supports via freetype Unicode text including right to left scripts such as Arabic and Hebrew.

      Graphic formats which can be placed in Scribus include Encapsulated Post Script (eps), TIFF(Joint Photographic Experts Group (JPEG), Portable Network Graphics (png) and XPixMap(xpm) Scribus now also handles any bit map file type supported by QT3.

      Printing, PDF and SVG creation are via custom driver libraries and plug-ins, giving Scribus inventive features: the abilities to include presentation effects with PDF output, fully scriptable interactive PDF forms, SVG vector file output. The internal printer drivers fully support Level 2 and Level 3/PDF 1.4 postscript features including transparency and font embedding. The PDF driver from Scribus can embed fonts for postscript printing and you can use and output high resolution EPS files.

      Other useful features include manual kerning of type, rotating object frames, bezier curves polygons, precision placement of objects, layering with RGB and CMYK custom colors. The Scribus document file format is XML, an open source standard file format, a super set of SGML. Unlike proprietary binary file formats, even damaged documents, can be recovered with a simple text editor - sometimes a challenging problem with other page layout programs.

      When run from KDE , Drag and Drop is enabled. Thus, for example you can drag and drop from the desktop to the canvas easily. There is easy to use drag and drop scrapbook, which can contain frequently used items including text blocks, pictures and custom shaped frames. Scribus will also run most any window manager including Gnome and Blackbox without difficulties.

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    2. Re:Ah but: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's a new tradition.

      Foo 1.0 has been released. It's been proclaimed the new killer app. killer Funion states that stability has increased exponentially and that it passes the grandma test. Ken at Bargain Hardware states that it installed very easily, and it was a perfect replace for his old program, "bar". He can now accomplish twice the production and efficiency has increased 200%. Mamba Joe, the developer of Foo, expects 2.0 to be released tomorrow. Here's to Mountain Dew!

    3. Re:Ah but: by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      In other words, it's the missing piece in the Linux puzzle for my school. Now, if we can just find a Windows version to ease the migration...

    4. Re:Ah but: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      XML, an open source standard file format, a super set of SGML.

      XML is not a superset of SGML. In fact, because XML is missing a few features from SGML (features which make docs without DTDs/Schemas more usable), it's probably a SUBset of SGML.

  3. New Record by mustangsal66 · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Article's 4 minutes old and madpenguin has already seen the slashdot effect.

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    1. Re:New Record by Yeochee · · Score: 1

      Yes, those screenshots are really helpful.

    2. Re:New Record by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not a new record. There's been cases where first post has been "Already down! Anyone got a mirror?" -- and it was true!

      Shit, 4 minutes.. that's an eternity in slashdotting time.

    3. Re:New Record by eyeye · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Thanks to TrialOfFire's retarded news post they have been slashdotted by lots of people just trying to find out what the fuck the program is/does.

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    4. Re:New Record by sootman · · Score: 1

      No, the mistake was saying "screenshot" in the submission. No one on /. can resist screenies. :-)

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    5. Re:New Record by TheMadPenguin · · Score: 1

      I am really beginning to dislike PostNuke. That's all I have to say about that! :(

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    6. Re:New Record by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      My favourite part is:

      "Problem with Database Connection"

      Powered by ADOdb

  4. A better question by woodhouse · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "what is Scribus really like?"

    What about the more common question: "what is Scribus"? The uninformative summary doesn't help; neither does the slashdotted site.

    1. Re:A better question by tijnbraun · · Score: 3, Informative

      "what is Scribus really like?"
      Here a link to their homepage

    2. Re:A better question by zero_offset · · Score: 1

      That ought to make it pretty easy to live up to the hype...

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    3. Re:A better question by wookyhoo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Here's some "useful" info: Scribus - Layout program similar to Adobe PageMaker

      Basically:

      "Scribus is a Layout program for GNU/Linux®, similar to Adobe® PageMaker(TM), QuarkXPress(TM) or Adobe® InDesign(TM), except that it is published under the GNU GPL. Currently, it is still in its early stages of development, but rapidly maturing and very useable. Already, it has the ability to layout newsletters, create corporate stationery, small posters and other documents which need flexible layout and/or the ability to output to professional quality imagesetting equipment. You can do all the typical tasks like placing and rotating text and/or images on a page, specify manual kerning of type and much more. While the goals of the program are for ease of use and simple easy to understand tools, Scribus offers support for professional publishing features, such as CMYK color, easy PDF creation, Encapsulated Postscript import/export and creation of color separations. Graphic formats which can be placed include Ecapsulated Post Script (eps), Joint Photographic Experts Group (jpeg), Portable Network Graphics (png) and XPixMap(xpm)."

    4. Re:A better question by vossman77 · · Score: 3, Informative
      What about the more common question: "what is Scribus"? The uninformative summary doesn't help; neither does the slashdotted site.

      From the website:
      Scribus is a Page Layout program for GNU/Linux®, similar to Adobe® PageMaker, QuarkXPress or Adobe® InDesign, except that it is published under the GNU GPL.

      With the release of Scribus 1.1.6, Linux and Unix desktop users have a user friendly, but powerful Desktop Publishing application capable of a broad set of DTP needs. Started with humble beginnings as a Python program to make menus, Scribus has been transformed into a young but rapidly maturing DTP application with numerous professional features, as well as some unique capabilities. Already, in use from everything to club newsletters to small newspaper production to animated interactive PDF presentations a la Power point. or Open Office Impress. Other uses are creating corporate stationery and brochures, small posters and other documents which need flexible layout and/or the ability to output to professional quality image-setting equipment.

      While the goals of the program are for ease of use and simple easy to understand tools, Scribus offers support for professional publishing features, such as CMYK color, sophisticated "press-ready" PDF creation, EPS and PDF import/export and creation of color separations and optionally very complete ICC color management - thanks to littlecms, the first for an open source application.

      Scribus supports many major graphic formats including most all of the standard ones used in DTP in addition to SVG import and export.

      Printing is done via its own internal level 3 PS driver, including support for font embedding and sub-setting with True Type, Type 1 and Open Type fonts. The internal driver fully supports Level 2 Postscript constructs and very large set of Level 3.

      PDF support includes transparency, encryption and a large set of the PDF 1.4 spec including interactive PDF's form fields, annotations and bookmarks. No other application is capable of producing such a wide range of PDF features on Linux, Unix like operating systems.

      The file format is based on XML and fully documented. Unlike proprietary binary file formats, even damaged documents, may be partially recovered with a simple text editor - sometimes a challenging problem with other page layout programs.

      When run with KDE 3.x, Drag and Drop is enabled, as well as inheriting KDE style plug-ins. Thus, for example you can drag and drop from the desktop to the pasteboard easily. There is a drag and drop scrapbook, which can contain frequently used items including text blocks, pictures and custom shapes.

      Currently, the most recent version 1.1.6 of Scribus supports Open Type, True Type and Type1 Postscript fonts.
    5. Re:A better question by Thwomp · · Score: 3, Informative

      Google Cache

    6. Re:A better question by mat.h · · Score: 1

      Try freshmeat. "Scribus is a DTP program for Linux. Its goal is to provide an easy-to-use tool for simple Desktop Publishing. It tries be as professional as possible."

    7. Re:A better question by Amiga+Lover · · Score: 1

      It's easy to criticize when all you're doing is following other's past actions. You've obviously used neither.

    8. Re:A better question by AndyElf · · Score: 1
      for GNU/Linux®
      when has GNU/Linux become an ®? And who is the holder? It it also goint to become a (TM)?
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    9. Re:A better question by Doctor+O · · Score: 3, Informative

      OK, I can't read the review as it is slashdotted, but actually I have no idea what a professional DTP application needs JPEG or PNG support for as you need CMYK output if you want to use this professionally. (Please spare me the "but Photoshop saves CMYK JPEGs". Thank you.)

      Also, just "having" PostScript output doesn't mean it's useful. XPress has EPS export for ages, yet we are still waiting for USABLE PostScript files written by XPress, leave alone *syntactically correct* PostScript. XPress can't even properly import its own EPS files, 'nuff said.

      I'd really like to see a nice DTP application for Linux, maybe this is it. Mind you, I'm a professional designer, so I've used most tools on the market at one time or another, and I've yet to come across something which is usable for all daily tasks. Every app so far is only good for some cases.

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    10. Re:A better question by zhiwenchong · · Score: 4, Informative

      More screenshots here.

    11. Re:A better question by maxpublic · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      when has GNU/Linux become an ®

      It hasn't. Somebody fucked up. In any event, it can't be done with GNU/Linux has Linus already holds the rights to the word 'Linux' itself. GNU/Linux would be an infringement.

      My guess is that some clueless Stallman-worshipper wrote the blurb. "There is but one OS, and Stallman is it's prophet!" Y'know, *that* kind of Stallman fanatic.

      Max

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    12. Re:A better question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really old screenshots. We are rewriting the docs in anticipation of the upcoming 1.2 release in a few months, complete with new screenshots.

    13. Re:A better question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "GNU/Linux would be an infringement"

      Perhaps in some countries, perhaps not in others. Ginux might even infringe in some. Ginspire anyone?

    14. Re:A better question by sweet+cunny+muffin · · Score: 3, Funny

      Perhaps they meant ((GNU)/(Linux®)), as Linux is a registered trade mark (a ®) of Linus.

    15. Re:A better question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    16. Re:A better question by ratsnapple+tea · · Score: 1

      "Like Gimp over Photoshop, Scribus walks all over Quark."

      Is this like when you said "I mean really how many large annoying companies are around that were around in the 1920s for example???? None!" ?

      I really can't tell if you're being sarcastic, or just stupid. Pardon my boorishness.

    17. Re:A better question by NonSequor · · Score: 4, Funny

      But I want to know what Scribus is really like when no one's around and he can stop pretending and just be himself. I want to get to know the real Scribus, not the mere shell you read about in the tabloids.

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    18. Re:A better question by MikeCT · · Score: 2, Funny

      Which has higher precedence, ® or / ?

    19. Re:A better question by scribusdocs · · Score: 5, Informative

      That is the older one. The new one is Scribus Home Page

    20. Re:A better question by sweet+cunny+muffin · · Score: 1

      I think ®, as it is part of the name token, so GNU/Linux® is still name/name, even with no brackets.

    21. Re:A better question by justsomebody · · Score: 1

      As far as Scribus. I use it, SVG import and texts are more than enough for my simple use.

      Well, Gimp does walk over Photoshop. I've got few Adobe Collections (from my prior DTP use), but I still use Gimp (not Photoshop), because for RGB and web Gimp just rocks, btw. I'm always having 3 monitors on every computer.

      btw. If you would ever consider going to gimp-devel and checking out what's comming. 2.0 was UI renovation, 2.2 is color management renovation (GEGL), which will finally include options to have CMYK and other color models. Gegl will include options for ICC profiling (these were just simple hacks until now), nested layers etc. And if the announcement on devel site is correct Gimp 2.2 should be out this summer

      So, to made my point: The longer the path to where Photoshop is Gimp walks, the more it walks over Photoshop (most of the reason for it will be price).

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    22. Re:A better question by AndyElf · · Score: 1

      (/ (GNU) (Linux ®))

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    23. Re:A better question by Doctor+O · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually it's pretty pointless to reply to someone who misses my point as far as you do, but I'll try to help you see the light. I guess I'm just feeding a troll, so IHBT and HAND.

      The point was that the PostScript generated by XPress is in fact so lousy that it won't read it itself, generating PS error after PS error on every RIP we and our contractors have (Agfa, Linotype, CreoScitex, Canon). I am well aware that EPS and PS are pretty much the same, I have hand-written PostScript ten years ago.

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    24. Re:A better question by ichimunki · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      In any event, it can't be done with GNU/Linux has Linus already holds the rights to the word 'Linux' itself. GNU/Linux would be an infringement.

      The 171 trademarks containing the word "Linux" beg to differ. Especially the one that is for the word "Linux" when used in connection with "laundry detergents and laundry bleaches for home use; all purpose cleaning preparations for home use; general purpose scouring powders; skin soap for personal use; perfume; essential oils for personal use; preparations for personal hygiene and cosmetic purposes, namely, hair shampoo, skin toners, shower gel, skin lotions; hair tonic and toothpaste."

      I kid you not. There is even a trademark on file for something called "Z/Linux". Look for yourself (suggested search "linux").

      None of this is to say that there isn't some licensing agreement between most of these folks and Mr. Torvalds. The point is, you can have a trademark on something that incorporates another word, especially if that trademark is in a different trade.

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    25. Re:A better question by ssbljk · · Score: 1

      I still haven't been able to open review, but I tried 1.0.1 version that comes with SuSE 9.0 and, because I had 1 year experience working in DTP 6 years ago, I'll say that my opinion was that it is pretty immature DTP application. Probably some things are solved between v1.0.1 and v1.1.6.

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    26. Re:A better question by scribusdocs · · Score: 1

      Some other points:

      • I think it is fair to say also enjoys excellent support from long-time end users and the devel-team. irc is lively, friendly and avaialble almost 7/24. Same for the mailing list. Just good friendly help to pro and newbie alike.
      • GIMP integration - It is simple - but effective. Right click an image and you can edit the image in GIMP: save, close and return to your doc.
      • Scribus has excellent support for Unicode and right to left scripts.
      • As 1.2 will be released in the next few months, CVS is very usable and very stable. Many regular users use CVS in production work. The final 1.2 docs are being written using current CVS.
    27. Re:A better question by the+chao+goes+mu · · Score: 1

      or /GNU®Linux ? (If ® is an operator)

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    28. Re:A better question by Roberto · · Score: 1

      Linux is not a registered trademark. At least not in the US.

      ESR applied to register it, and made a huge fuss about it. Then it was either denied or lapsed, and noone noticed.

    29. Re:A better question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The uninformative summary doesn't help" ...nor it was needed. If you read it carefully, it was a *question* in terms like "Is it Scribus good enough?"

      Now, you don't even know what the fucking Scribus is, still you really think you can say anything interesting to this thread.

      (sigh!)

    30. Re:A better question by damiangerous · · Score: 1
      Linux is not a registered trademark. At least not in the US.

      Yes, it is, and it's owned by one Linus Torvalds. Since I can't link directly to the TESS entry you'll have to look it up yourself, the Reg # is 1916230.

    31. Re:A better question by AndyElf · · Score: 1

      who knows... maybe even (® (/ (GNU Linux))

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    32. Re:A better question by juhaz · · Score: 1

      ... I have no idea what a professional DTP application needs JPEG or PNG support for as you need CMYK output if you want to use this professionally. (Please spare me the "but Photoshop saves CMYK JPEGs". Thank you.)

      So it has few features that may make it more usable for non-professionals too? Oh the horror, the horror.

    33. Re:A better question by Doctor+O · · Score: 1

      I don't mind non-professionals building layouts, actually I encourage the people I know. The problem is not with the non-professionals. It's with the professionals and it's with extending the functionality of software beyond what I would call a "natural scope".

      When Quark advertised the "web functionality" of XPress 5, the PHB was all excited about all those graphics designers being able to build websites directly from the XPress layouts. They did never understand why I dismissed without seeing it - because if it *were* possible to build robust, accessible cross-browser websites with all finesses offered by an application like XPress, someone else had probably done it first, Quark being the bunch of suckers they are.

      And frankly, with all those features used in the typical layout, starting from kerning, zooming, warping, rotating, transparency and not ending with extensive usage of non-web fonts definitely not installed on the client's system and current browser support, I don't think it's doable at the moment. Especially not cross-browser and without excessive use of images (which would defeat all accessibility e.g. for blind people).

      My point, however, is that focused applications are A Good Thing(TM). Giving an application too many things to accomplish will lead to the application being used for things that would have better been done with other tools.

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    34. Re:A better question by Roberto · · Score: 1

      Weird, I am pretty sure I did check it a few months ago.

    35. Re:A better question by Roberto · · Score: 1

      I confused it with "Open Source". Sorry!

    36. Re:A better question by bigchris · · Score: 1

      wtf? why the hell is this listed as -1: Informative? What sort of idiot moderators do we have on slashdot?

      Oh. Wait. It's slashdot, and moderators who don't have any knowledge about the subject matter people are commenting on are free to give people -1s.

      Morons.

  5. another short review by spangineer · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's a quick review talking about the enhancements since the last version.

    1. Re:another short review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://web2.altmuehlnet.de/fschmid/

  6. Re:usability by Hewligan · · Score: 5, Funny

    Spoken like a man who's never had to use Quark Xpress.

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  7. Slashdotted? by osewa77 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Even the google cache copy seems inaccessible.. Here is the Freshmeat Project Page for Scribus 1.1.6, and I also have a link to the home page
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    1. Re:Slashdotted? by steve426f · · Score: 1

      Here's another link to a screenshot showing it's Publisher/Pagemaker like appearance.

  8. (old joke) It would be a nice OS... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...if it included a good text editor.

    1. Re:(old joke) It would be a nice OS... by Fred+Or+Alive · · Score: 1

      If someone would just port EDLIN to it I'd be happy. :)

      But surely this is the ultimate open source program.

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    2. Re:(old joke) It would be a nice OS... by aminorex · · Score: 1

      It does. It's called TECO.

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  9. JPEG by jabbadabbadoo · · Score: 5, Funny

    They added JPEG support in this version. Time to close down the project.

    1. Re:JPEG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      We added JPEG support to PDF export... a very different thing to JPEG support in general.

  10. Re:usability by baryon351 · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to this review the usability of this product is only 2 stars out of 5. Seems like poor usability and linux-based products will go hand in hand for a long time.

    Oh it sounds like it's a perfect drop-in replacement for QuarkXPress :)

    For all its excellence with output (and when I used it, it worked well) Quark is certainly not an example of brilliant, or even good UI design. Takes a lot of time and a lot of knowledge of the little hidden and non-obvious keycommands to use well.

  11. Requires GCC 3.2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Will not compile on GCC 2.95.. That really limits its use a lot doesnt it?

    1. Re:Requires GCC 3.2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      All distros with any sense use 3.0+. 2.9x is too old and too buggy to bother with. With 3.0 we get a better compiler producing a faster executable, and is able to handle C++ templates much better. We made the decision a few 4+ minor versions ago, way back in October 03.

    2. Re:Requires GCC 3.2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      3.2+ please. 3.0 was buggy as hell.

    3. Re:Requires GCC 3.2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.. we have plenty of successful (up to date) Debian users, so there. There is a regularly updated deb, released about once every 2 weeks based on CVS.

    4. Re:Requires GCC 3.2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That sounds really stable...

    5. Re:Requires GCC 3.2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Our CVS is known by many to be kept very stable. Most of the users we are in contact with regularly use only CVS. Of course, the person creating the debs makes sure anything that needs to be fixed is fixed before updating the debs.

    6. Re:Requires GCC 3.2 by martinde · · Score: 1

      > Will not compile on GCC 2.95.. That really limits its use a lot doesnt it?

      Limiting oneself to gcc 2.95.x is very painful. It's C++ support is lacking in several areas - namespace support is lacking, exception support is lacking, template support is missing some features, and the C++ standard library is totally standards non-compliant. Anyone doing any serious C++ development that can move to g++ >= 3.2 should do so. (There are lots of situations where this isn't an option, of course.)

    7. Re:Requires GCC 3.2 by ajs318 · · Score: 2, Informative

      WTF are you talking about? Debian includes the most cutting-edge software versions in SID {unstable; named after the boy in "Toy Story" [all Debian releases have codenames taken from this movie; I'm betting when they run out of T.S. characters they'll start on "Finding Nemo"] who breaks toys, and also for "still in development"}. You just need to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change every instance of "stable" to "unstable". Then # apt-get update, # /etc/init.d/kdm stop {otherwise you will muck it up} and finally # apt-get upgrade. You might need another untouched machine to run a web browser to run google if you get into trouble, but unstable isn't as unstable as it used to be.

      It does tell you all this on the Debian site if you can be bothered to look for it; but you obviously prefer putting other people down because you mistakenly think it makes you look better {as opposed to making you look like a whining jerk-off, which is what your dad ought to have done and then we'd all be happy}.

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    8. Re:Requires GCC 3.2 by rdieter · · Score: 1

      I'm not so sure, my gcc-2.96 built copy of scribus-1.1.6 (on redhat 7.3) works just fine...

    9. Re:Requires GCC 3.2 by Espectr0 · · Score: 1

      Ian Murdock, is that you?

    10. Re:Requires GCC 3.2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your CVS blows ass.

    11. Re:Requires GCC 3.2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone knows about sid you fuckin' noob clown.

      Sid is an unstable peice of shit.

      Professionals require stable software for their work!

      Now go play with your little unstable debian crap on your dads pc.

    12. Re:Requires GCC 3.2 by pyrrhonist · · Score: 1
      my gcc-2.96 built copy of scribus-1.1.6 (on redhat 7.3) works just fine...

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    13. Re:Requires GCC 3.2 by ajs318 · · Score: 1

      Look, make your freakin' mind up. You can't have the newest software and expect it to be stable. It usually takes longer for bugs to come to light than it does to fix them, and the people who developed the software have a human tendency to be a bit careful with it anyway, like they can't help not wanting to disturb anything that creaks.

      Them, unfortunately, is the breaks: you can have it tried and tested, or you can join the crew trying and testing it. And just because the packages in Stable have "old" version numbers, doesn't mean that they aren't patched bang up to date with critical security stuff.

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  12. Scribus is great ! by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I used Scribus about a year ago to produce a professional looking poster for a conference. At the time, it was a very powerful program with a few small quirks. I would recommend it to anybody somewhat familiar with DTP.

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    1. Re:Scribus is great ! by Lussarn · · Score: 1

      I have never used a DTP in my life but I was abe to put together a christmas song list with it too. It wasn't professional looking though. But functional. My point is the program was pretty is to pick up.

  13. Re:Summarize what it does in one word by iapetus · · Score: 2, Informative

    DTP

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  14. Re:Summarize what it does in one word by NonSequor · · Score: 2, Funny

    In all of the languages that I can understand, words have vowels in them.

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  15. Killer application on Linux? by heironymouscoward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Scribus appears to be a decent desktop publishing tool. I've installed it but personally I prefer to use the OOo drawing tool for mockups, and our graphist uses QuarkXpress for the final designs.

    The point is that printshops accept files only with specific formats, namely with CMYK color separation, the appropriate resolution, and in "well-known" file formats: Quark, Illustrator, et al.

    A Linux desktop publishing program that can product color-separated files in the correct format can be a dog to learn and use, that'd be fine! As long as it can produce print-ready files, a painful learning curve is not an issue.

    The UI is not the key. Business usefulness is the key.

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    1. Re:Killer application on Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Scribus is regularly (almost daily) tested with high end printers RIPS and printing hardware. We have DTP professionals using and testing for us in the US, Canada, France and Germany.

      EPS and PDFs from Scribus are usable in any DTP program (including Adobe apps such as Illustrator) can load and use such files. Scribus can also directly print to the hardware.

      Reviewer says little cms is for producing PDFs. No, its for colour management! Scribus has its own PDF exporter.

    2. Re:Killer application on Linux? by mz2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Having used Scribus for the fairly basic dp use I have had, I can assure you that the PDF export in Scribus works well and is rather sufficient for making print-ready files for printshops.

    3. Re:Killer application on Linux? by hypnagogue · · Score: 1
      The point is that printshops accept files only with specific formats, namely with CMYK color separation, the appropriate resolution, and in "well-known" file formats: Quark, Illustrator, et al.
      Scribus PDF output is apparently acceptable to our printshop, and I would be suspicious of any printshop who refused it. We are using Scribus 1.1.6 for a 28-page event handout, and it seems to be doing the job just fine.

      QuarkXpress may be fine for big corporations, but a 501c3 like ours can't really afford the 5 seats of it that we need. Scribus works well for us. Yes, there are some quirks, but they have been disappearing with every revision.
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  16. how does it integrate with gimp? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Ok, so i get its a page layout program.

    how does it integrate with gimp? (maybe its not necessary... but dunno)

    1. Re:how does it integrate with gimp? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right click on an image frame in Scribus to edit your image in your favourite editor, eg Gimp. Default is Gimp. Gimp developers have stated to not bother writing an XCF importer as its not really portable outside of Gimp. When they have a new format, we will be able to import it, although we are considering XCF import.

    2. Re:how does it integrate with gimp? by WWWWolf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, um, it can take bitmap images in various formats (JPEGs, PNGs, the other usual stuff - not GIMP's xcf format, which nobody uses anyway). That's all that's needed to integration, really =)

      Apparently Scribus 1.2 will allow people to launch GIMP to directly edit an image from Scribus, and some other support may be planned for later...

      What I really appreciate more is the really freaking cool ability to import SVG vector files into Scribus-editable objects (unless I misinterpreted when I did this last time, which was coincidentally the first time for me =)

    3. Re:how does it integrate with gimp? by cammoblammo · · Score: 1

      From what I remember on their site there is some limited integration. I think you can right click an image and there's an option to edit it withthe Gimp.

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  17. What is Scribus? by JHVB · · Score: 3, Informative
    From their website:

    "Scribus is a Page Layout program for GNU/Linux®, similar to Adobe® PageMaker, QuarkXPress or Adobe® InDesign, except that it is published under the GNU GPL.

    With the release of Scribus 1.1.6, Linux and Unix desktop users have a user friendly, but powerful Desktop Publishing application capable of a broad set of DTP needs. Started with humble beginnings as a Python program to make menus, Scribus has been transformed into a young but rapidly maturing DTP application with numerous professional features, as well as some unique capabilities. Already, in use from everything to club newsletters to small newspaper production to animated interactive PDF presentations a la Power point. or Open Office Impress. Other uses are creating corporate stationery and brochures, small posters and other documents which need flexible layout and/or the ability to output to professional quality image-setting equipment."

  18. Re:Summarize what it does in one word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    DeskTop Publishing.

  19. Re:Summarize what it does in one word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about "rhythm"?

  20. Scribus is good... by WWWWolf · · Score: 5, Interesting

    (Note: I'm not complaining, just hoping aloud =)

    Scribus is an excellent application. I could easily put it in the same category as Mozilla Firefox, XEmacs, GIMP, Blender, Audacity and Eclipse as an example of well-engineered open source application that is good enough to get any real work done.

    Scribus is, however, a little bit of a quirk-express. The user interface is not yet completely free of small things that tend to be annoying. For one thing, it's slow (though nowhere near as slow as some pre-1.0 versions - and Freetype integration has greatly helped with this too, with faster and better-looking font rendering) and some details lag behind (the property dialog could use some really heavy improvements).

    I think the UI situation is just similar to GIMP 1.0 - it took until 1.2 until the UI was really good and until 2.0 until it was superb. Yet, like GIMP 1.0, it's completely usable for what it's designed for!

    So, in conclusion, I'll be hoping that we'll get into the "GIMP 1.2" level soon what comes to the UI. It is really good as it is right now, though.

  21. It's 6:11 am EST,do you know where your server is? by vertical_98 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    46 comments and half of them asking what in the hell IS Scribus. I'd say that most people don't care if it can do what it says

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  22. Re:Summarize what it does in one word by NonSequor · · Score: 1

    Well that's two words but I'll let you off.

    The sense of impending doom from finals has had a strange effect on me and now I'm feeling absurdly belligerent.

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  23. Re:Summarize what it does in one word by dave_f1m · · Score: 1

    Either he would consider 'y' a vowel, or doesn't understand english. Besides, 'y' is often a vowel. Next time, try 'cwm'.

  24. Won't compile by Sly+Mongoose · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    page.cpp: In member function `void Page::LoadPict(QString, int)':
    page.cpp:8599: `unlink' undeclared (first use this function)
    page.cpp:8599: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each
    function it appears in.)
    make[3]: *** [page.o] Error 1
    make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/self/scribus-1.1.6/scribus'
    make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
    make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/self/scribus-1.1.6/scribus'
    make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
    make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/self/scribus-1.1.6'
    make: *** [all] Error 2

    1. Re:Won't compile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Update to CVS. Instructions at www.scribus.net, although this fix was in earlier versions. Some versions of GCC dont seem to be including unistd.h. With a #include in page.cpp you shouldnt get these errors at all, although as I say, its there and has been there for awhile.

    2. Re:Won't compile by ajs318 · · Score: 1

      You probably are missing some -devel RPM {or -dev DEB} somewhere. That's the cause of 90% of compile errors. Good luck finding which :)

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  25. PostNuke powered Website by Cloud+K · · Score: 3, Funny

    How appropriate! Seeing the website is broken via slasdotting - a post nuke website, so to speak.

    1. Re:PostNuke powered Website by goorath · · Score: 1

      We're trying to get the site fixed.

      My article should be back up soon.

    2. Re:PostNuke powered Website by TheMadPenguin · · Score: 1

      This is the last time Slashdot will do this as far as I am concerned. Time to move away from PostNuke and onto something more industrial strength.

      Anyone used Slashcode here (other than the admins of course hehe)?

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    3. Re:PostNuke powered Website by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      I wonder if perhaps it is not time to design sites to handle a slashdot effect. Postnuke and other CMS's could simple switch to a temp static model and doa redir to google's cache upon getting a certain amount of hits/time frame. This would also help the net overall. It is not just slashdot that can overload a site.

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    4. Re:PostNuke powered Website by TheMadPenguin · · Score: 1

      Thats exactly what we have in the works. A custom built site that generates static pages instead of hammering the db every time a request to the server is made. I agree with you though, you'd think that modern day CMS suites would be capable of handling traffic like this. We have tweaked our site as much as possible every time Slashdot comes calling, so its not like we were ignoring the issue. Its just incapable of handling the load. Next time you see us here, our servers will be up :-)

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    5. Re:PostNuke powered Website by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but have dynamic pages is not a bad thing. It is only when the server is getting pounded that it becomes an issue. The CMS's could easily detect a certain speed and then switch to static, and then once it gets overs a critical amount, it preloads google cache, and then redirs everything to there. In fact, google would be smart to deliver something just like this that would also notify it of the dynamic content (which is much more difficult to know about).

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    6. Re:PostNuke powered Website by TheMadPenguin · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Your concept is quite simple and would be perfect if it could be implemented correctly. I wonder why more effort has not beeen placed into such features. This would allow CMS's such as PostNuke (which is really an excellent piece of software for what it's worth) to be more scaleable.

      We are currently looking at NEPHP as a solution. From what it looks like, it will be far more scaleable than the *Nuke packages out there. It's also built by a very competent programmer, so I have total faith that it will work. The problem will be getting the data migrated successfully. We'll need specialized help there, as well as theme designers to recreate our theme on the new CMS.

      It's all worth it in the end, as Mad Penguin is a reputable site, and I don't like looking bad every time Slashdot traffic comes. Our hardware is sufficient (more than sufficient actually), so now we need to focus on software to deliver the goods no matter what the traffic looks like. :-) Thanks for the interesting comments WindBourne. They are some excellent ideas!

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  26. Templates by adrianbaugh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Scribus looks like an okay program, and I'm sure that for printing office types who have the time to learn to use it properly it does a fine job. However there's an opportunity to make it a real "killer app" for far more people. Consider Microsoft Publisher. It's an okay sort of program - what makes it very useful for a lot of people is the vast template library which makes it very easy to get 90% of the way towards (say) a double-sided 3-panel sales brochure in about 5 minutes, requiring only that the default background is changed and perhaps some minor details altered. The templates are even themeable.

    There seems to be nothing like this at all for scribus (in fact, by and large the range of templates available for OS office applications is pretty woeful). We really ought to get on top of this as a priority; otherwise MS Office will still have a massive lead in terms of useability to Joe Officeworker.

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    1. Re:Templates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      We would be more than happy to have some people creating sample docs like this for Scribus..

      IRC: #scribus on irc.freenode.net...
      OR
      Mailing List

    2. Re:Templates by jejones · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There seems to be nothing like this [collection of templates] at all for scribus (in fact, by and large the range of templates available for OS office applications is pretty woeful).

      I can't speak for Scribus, but when I grab a form from Office {Max, Depot}, I look for where it says "equivalent of Avery XXXX," head over to the Avery web site, click on the template for XXXX, and OO opens it quite nicely. (Of course, a version change in MS Word with associated format change for templates can trivially break this.)

    3. Re:Templates by micker · · Score: 1

      you scabby fool! You've obviosly never worked in an environment where an app like this comes into play.

      Go into any commercial print shop, pre-press house or color bureau anywhere in the world and say that. They've laugh you out the door.

      Everyone in the industry knows that all the Microsoft apps are broken. They are 100% unusable when it comes to commercial printing.

      Commercial printing isnt your mothers inkjet, I'm talking about heavy equipment heidelbergs, ryobi's etc...

      Either way, if you send an MS document to the RIP server of a press, what you get is dropped characters... its really annoying, the becomes th or t e whole sentences can vanish...

      Plus, there is absolutely 0 color correction options. Dont expect any type of color matching from an MS document, and to top it off, every printing firm I've worked for has charged a $25-50 fee for working with MS products. This is on top of all the other charges...

      So in manner of a Publisher document running headlong into Harlequin RIP Server...

      F ck y o, nex time know wh t you are tal ing about first before y u open your mouth!! !

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    4. Re:Templates by Deven · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Everyone in the industry knows that all the Microsoft apps are broken. They are 100% unusable when it comes to commercial printing.

      I think the point was that Scribus has the potential to serve as a Microsoft Publisher replacement as well as a Quark XPress replacement. While Microsoft Publisher may be unwise to use for commercial printing, it does get used by people who can't justify the investment (in both time and money) that Quark XPress requires. (Some of those people really are just printing on an inkjet or SOHO laser printer!) If Scribus could provide templates to lure people away from Microsoft Publisher, isn't that a good thing? I don't think anyone was recommending using Microsoft Publisher to send documents to a commercial printing house.

      However, it's not unrealistic to expect Microsoft Publisher to be used indirectly on a job being sent to a commercial printing house. Consider a newspaper -- while the paper may be published using Quark XPress, it's quite possible that an ad submitted by the customer will be created with Microsoft Publisher. A small advertiser can't justify spending the time and money on Quark, but if they could be convinced to use Scribus instead of Publisher, that would likely be an improvement in the process...

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    5. Re:Templates by A+coward+on+a+mouse · · Score: 1

      My understanding is that KWord is a frames-based word processing program; it is probably a better candidate for Publisher replacement than any product that is designed with commercial printing and pre-press in mind.

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    6. Re:Templates by adrianbaugh · · Score: 1

      Er, yes. If you read my post you would have spotted that I did pretty much say this. I'm sure it's fine for print-shop office types. All 50,000 of them. The point is, an application like this has the potential to be a major draw for ordinary, non-l33t printing people. It is possible to use Scribus to do the same kind of stuff that MS Publisher can do, just as it's possible to use it to do the job of QuarkXpress.

      The point is, whereas MS Publisher makes it utterly trivial for a vicar to make a perfectly acceptable if somewhat generic events brochure for the church hall Scribus doesn't. The vicar may well only need to use the software 5 or 6 times a year - there is certainly no incentive for him to get to grips with the particular quirks of Scribus when it is much easier in Publisher. The same for family businesses making the odd promotional leaflet, the occasional flyer etc. They don't care about learning how it works, they by and large want something that gets an acceptable job done very easily.

      And there are millions and millions of these people.

      Now, you may not consider that Scribus ought to pander to their non-elite needs. But it could and, in my view, should.

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    7. Re:Templates by micker · · Score: 1

      well, thats where users groups come in... These are things that the community comes up with, I dont know how many "templates" I have for Indesign and Quark that I am going to convert to scribus... I got my first batch of templates from community sites and people I worked with, they will just get modified and reused...

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    8. Re:Templates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have not used MS Publisher (I am on the Mac platform), but I would fit the description of casual, few-times-a-year user. I absolutely love Scribus. The price is right -- there's no way I'd fork up the money for Quark or InDesign.

      Before Scribus, I struggled along using MS Word for stuff that really should have been done in a DTP app. The hardest part of learning Scribus for me was changing my thinking from a word processing paradigm to a DTP paradigm. Once I got the basics down, it was so much easier to use than Word (for DTP stuff). Even after 6 months away from it and significant changes to the interface and the internals, picking it up again to do a quick project was not hard.

      Scribus is also perfect for the day when the casual user wants to send a project to a copy shop. Not a full-blown print-shop but an outfit like Kinko's. Perhaps they are doing a brochure or poster for a community organization they are a part of. Word documents don't always translate well onto their computers (I know this from experience) and Publisher ones probably have as much trouble. Quark and InDesign are just too expensive to justify. Scribus will create a top-notch PDF with fonts embedded and the process will be hassle free. (I know this from experience as well.)

      Lack of templates is a problem now, but it is not an unsolvable one. As Scribus is used more and more, I'm sure there will be more available for the vicar. But even as it stands, Scribus is a wonderful tool for both the professional and the casual DTP user.

  27. Re:Summarize what it does in one word by SWPadnos · · Score: 1

    Layout

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  28. Re:Summarize what it does in one word by jonathan_ingram · · Score: 1

    'cwm' isn't really an exception, is it's a borrowed word from Welsh, where w is a vowel. See also this interesting mailing list post.

  29. Re:Summarize what it does in one word by NonSequor · · Score: 1

    Well let me correct that. I've spent a little bit of time trying to learn ancient Egyptian and it has no vowels. But then again, my knowledge of Egyptian is so limited that I can hardly say I "understand" it.

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  30. Sodipodi by suso · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What's interesting is that Sodipodi (that other vector drawing program) means "to scribble" in Estonian.

    1. Re:Sodipodi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And... this is relevant, how?

    2. Re:Sodipodi by zsau · · Score: 1

      (1) Sodipodi is made by an Estonian IIUC.
      (2) Sodipodi is a vector drawing program, Scribus is a DTP program. Not in the same field.

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    3. Re:Sodipodi by greenguy · · Score: 2, Informative

      (2) Sodipodi is a vector drawing program, Scribus is a DTP program. Not in the same field.

      Partly true, partly not. Vector drawing is not the same as DTP, but there are connections between them. The Scribus team and the Inkscape team, for example, are working actively to coordinate their backends and make it easy for users to use the two apps together. You can get an idea of the short-term implications of this here, and the long-term implications here.

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    4. Re:Sodipodi by KagatoLNX · · Score: 2, Informative

      FWIW, Scribus can import SVG--which Sodipodi produces fairly well. As a pair, they're pretty useful.

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    5. Re:Sodipodi by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      It's an experiment to see whether the Slashdot moderators ever moderate a comment as off-topic. The answer? No.

      But you can be sure they'll moderate this questioning of the moderation as off-topic. Go figure.

    6. Re:Sodipodi by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

      And in other news, text editing is not the same as FPS, but there are connections between them.

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  31. PDF? by hughk · · Score: 2, Informative
    You only need a format like Quark Express or Adobe Illustrator iff the document needs much postprocessing. In fact Quark Express is a pretty hopeless format as things like fonts can't be embedded. Instead of a single file, you end up giving many, the quark file, the CMYK separated picture files and the fonts. A handful to manage.

    Any good printshop can take and print a PDF. They can even tweak the colours if it is needed.

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    1. Re:PDF? by Lil'wombat · · Score: 1

      Actually any good printshop/printer/ prepress house wants a PDF X/1a . Essentially a PDF with all of the link and web nonsense removed.

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  32. Re:usability by Beautyon · · Score: 1

    For all its excellence with output (and when I used it, it worked well) Quark is certainly not an example of brilliant, or even good UI design.

    QuarkXpress is the best layout programme ever. It is difficult to learn, but once you learn it, using it is simplicity itself. Its power is astonishing. It is ouput second to none. Anyone who remembers the thrill of being able to set the background color to none of an item knows why QuarkXpress is so beloved.

    It is extensible in ways and with third pary support that other programs only dream about. Look at "La Redout" and the other 4 inch thick catalogues. They are all produced with Quark, via an extension that connects your Xpress file with your huge database of catalogue items, including photos prices and everything else. That is sex.

    Quark Xpress is like Autocad. Autocad is not number one without reason, and it too has a learning curve as steep as the Matterhorn. Once you master it though, you can build anything based on its output, from Beyblades to the replacement for the Twin Towers.

    Some things in life are hard, and they are worth mastering if you love your art, in the case of Quark Xpress, setting type.

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  33. Re:Summarize what it does in one word by cammoblammo · · Score: 1

    You obviously don't understand English then. As far as I can see, the word 'rhythm' has no vowels.

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  34. Who uses Quark? by ducklord · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The main power of Quark Express is in its shortcuts. Experienced DTP users can set up a page blazingly fast, and in less than 5mins the have a full doc setup through mostly keystrokes. That`s the main reason why a lot of them whine when the shortcuts change between versions, and that`s why more than a lot stick with older versions of a program if the newer ones have "changed stuff" (Quark5 being a prime example, as far as they tell me). For a different program to have success in this field, there mustn`t exist only a nice interface but a similarity with the most well known "players". How different is it from Quark and Pagemaker? Can it be configured to work in a similar way? Its widgets are not its main power, proper seperations, SMYC and RGB support, similarity to other apps are what can make it succesfull.

    1. Re:Who uses Quark? by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Yes, but I have helped several grade/high schools moved down the path of scribus. Maybe not today, but in about 5 years, there will be a generation of colliagates with Scribus experience.

      The sad thing is that I like to see companies like Adobe and quark succeed, but they seem to be tied up with MS's politics rather than the needs of customers.

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  35. New Updated Screen Shots of 1.2 cvs by scribusdocs · · Score: 3, Informative
  36. Re:Summarize what it does in one word by NonSequor · · Score: 1

    But y is a vowel. In Old English it was pronounced like the Greek letter upsilon. To make this sound, make a tight O with your lips and try to make a sound like the i in machine. If you do it right you'll end up with something that sounds almost, but not quite like a U. Eventually y started to be used as a consonant in some words, though it is still used as a vowel in some words even though it no longer has a distinct sound of its own.

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  37. Re:usability by justsomebody · · Score: 1

    But the fact that parent made (parent never said Quark sucks, and I don't either), UI sucks still remains.

    If software has long learning curve, then it has bad UI, simple and well made GUI leads user to faster learning curve. Well Quark is far from that example.

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  38. Re:Summarize what it does in one word by Firefalcon · · Score: 1

    Try Czech:

    Strc prst skrz krk (Czech sentence: "Put your finger through your throat")

    from http://www2.iap.fr/users/esposito/words.html

  39. Re:Summarize what it does in one word by NonSequor · · Score: 1

    Czech is still on my to-do list. When I was in Prague I only got as far as "Mluvite anglickey?"

    Hmm, did I remember the spelling correctly?

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  40. CVS won't compile either by Sly+Mongoose · · Score: 1

    scfonts_ttf.cpp: In member function `virtual bool Foi_ttf::ReadMetrics()':
    scfonts_ttf.cpp:86: `FT_GLYPH_FORMAT_PLOTTER' undeclared (first use this
    function)
    scfonts_ttf.cpp:86: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each
    function it appears in.)
    make[3]: *** [scfonts_ttf.o] Error 1
    make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/self/Scribus/scribus'
    make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
    make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/self/Scribus/scribus'
    make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
    make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/self/Scribus'
    make: *** [all] Error 2

    <sigh>

  41. Re:usability by Beautyon · · Score: 1

    Xpress is easy enough, thats my point. Putting money into GUI simplification so that people who dont like to read can use Quark is a total waste of money for them. Their prorities are (were) the port to OSX and stability.

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  42. Gnome: Passepartout by leandrod · · Score: 2, Informative

    For those of us Gnome diehards, there's Passepartout. Since I've no use for DTP, I've no idea if it is, or has the potential to be, anywhere as good as Scribus.

    Also, bad thing the Gnome LyX frontend stalled...

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  43. Re:usability by justsomebody · · Score: 1

    OSX: yes, I agree
    stability: ????? bwaaahaahahahaha

    C'mon last stable was 4.11. 5 never was finished when they already released 6, (yes I agree OSX was the reason) and 6 is not even near to be stable (don't know on OSX though)

    Putting money into GUI simplification... waste
    Yes, that's what they think. But that and usability with more features (and price) is the sole reason why InDesign is taking Quarks share in such ammount.

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  44. Re:usability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The thrill of transparency? Mmmhmm. You sound like a tough critic.
    And Autocad? What is Autocad best at anymore? It has been almost totally displaced in architecture years ago and if you're doing physical simulations in Autocad. Hmm. This aint 1985 bud.

  45. Stop posting to sites that cant handle traffic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every time there is a story linking to MadPenguin, it never loads. You would think after the first couple stories, they would get their act together to compensate for the /. effect.

    So stop linking to MadPenguin! If they cant straighten out their connection issues, I'm certainly not going to take them seriously about anything they publish.

    1. Re:Stop posting to sites that cant handle traffic by TheMadPenguin · · Score: 2, Informative

      We aplogize for this happening. We've been tweaking the server and software every time this happens, but nothing is working so we are going to move away from PostNuke (which is inevitably our Slashdot weakness). Once again, I apologize, it hurts our credibility and I know it, so the next time you see us here... well... you'll actually SEE us here :)

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  46. nice software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having never used DTP software before, I was able to create a professional-looking propaganda article, which I distributed around campus, in fifteen minutes using Scribus.

  47. Re:usability by goorath · · Score: 1

    I feel justified in giving it a usability of only 2 stars out of 5, as the user interface just isn't intuitive enough.

  48. Text of Review by scribusdocs · · Score: 1

    Scribus is a desktop publishing program for Unix and Linux which has been gathering momentum recently. SuSe now proudly proclaim that with SuSe 9.1, Professional layouts can be prepared with the desktop publishing application Scribus. Scribus is also recieving critical acclaim from other big open source quarters such as Newsforge who recently proclaimed Scribus to be one of Free Software's Killer Applications.

    ut what is Scribus really like? Can anyone just pick it up and use it? Is it really as powerful as they say it is? And does it live up to the hype surrounding it?

    About ScribusScribus is a desktop publishing program for Unix and Linux. It is built with the Qt libraries and is run natively in the KDE desktop environment. Scribus is published under the Gpl and is similar to similar to Adobe PageMaker, QuarkXPress or Adobe InDesign. Scribus has an unusually small development team and is mostly the work of a German programmer called Franz Schmid. The Scribus team are positioning the program as an easy to use DTP publishing program for the Linux and Unix operating systems with support available for professional publishing features. These professional publishing features include:

    • CMYK Colour
    • Press Ready PDF Creation
      • Further advanced PDF features for making interactive PDFs exist together with a large amount of support for the PDF 1.4 specification including:
      • Transparency
      • Encryption
      • Form Field
      • Annotations
      • Bookmarks

    EPS and PDF import/export

    Complete ICC colour management

    Font embedding and sub-setting in both postscript and PDF exportIn addition to this Scribus also provides:

    • A WYSIWYG viewpoint for document creation
    • An XML based file format allowing for easier file recovery if corruption occurs
    • Drawing tools for custom shapes including: lines, curves, ellipses, bezier curves, polygons, etc.
    • Drag'n'drop with KDE 3, including a Drag'n'drop scrapbook for frequently used items such as text blocks, logo images, backgrounds etc

    As can be seen Scribus certainly isn't devoid of features, and there are many others in the program which I haven't described above. All in all, Scribus is a fairly feature rich program and more features such as importing from Microsoft Office and OO.org are expected in future releases. Installation of Scribus

    I installed Scribus by going to the download section of the Scribus homepage in order to obtain the latest version which at this moment in time is 1.1.6. There are several different methods of installation available, including source and prepackaged files. Prepackaged files are available in the form of RPMs for Red Hat 9, Fedora Core 1 and SuSe 9, Deb files are also available for Debian users.

    Since I'm using Fedora Core 1 I downloaded the RPM from the site and installed it. I used the Scribus website instead of a Fedora Yum repository as I have only been able to find out of date versions of Scribus on them. When installing the RPM I did encounter a dependency issue in which I needed to install a program called

    1. Re:Text of Review by scribusdocs · · Score: 5, Informative

      Replying to myself to correct a few omissions and corrections:

      • Littlecms is required ICC color management. Scribus is the GPL application to have such sophiticated ICC Color Managment
      • The Print Previewer - is in the Extra menu as it is a separate plug-in. There is an optional font-preview which works the same way. This plug also can generate separations previews of each ink plate in CMYK.
      • The documentation link in the original article points at linuxdoc.org. Scribus has extensive documentation, including many sample PDF's on advanced subjects like its pre-press capabilities.The docs also include 70 + links for Linux and DTP.The docs are out of date, but mostly because of the rapid pace of development - a nice problem to have.
      • Missed in the review is the Scribus python plug-in support, which is very powerful. This allows you to create python scripts to automate document production. There are several sample python scripts included in the scribus package.
      • One of the regular users has contributed a number of Avery templates already.See the downloads section of www.scribus.net

      My personal view of the reviews of Scribus:

      Unfortunately, we have yet to see a review of Scribus by someone who has used professional DTP applications. As a IT/DTP consultant, even though I am a member of the team, my testing with professional DTP pre-flight tools has consistently shown Scribus creates PDF and PS output which most certainly equals and sometimes exceeds those of commercial apps.

      Lastly, DTP is itself a complex subject and takes time to master. The "Wizard" approach of other apps really dumbs down the true capabilities of an app like Scribus, just like it would Blender, GIMP or any other similar type of application.

    2. Re:Text of Review by wordtech · · Score: 1

      I posted a long review of Scribus 1.1.4/1.1.5 here. I publish books for a living. Word, InDesign, Corel Draw, and Photopaint are part of my daily workflow. Scribus performed quite capably with some rough spots in a task that I usually handle with InDesign.

    3. Re:Text of Review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Err - that is some of the ugliest HTML I have ever seen. Please visit http://validator.w3.org/

      Do you test your site with anything besides Go Live?

  49. Started installation 4 hours ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Downloaded Scribus 1.1.6 and tried to install it...

    Maybe you should know, that:
    * It depends on libart, although the documentation says, you only need a C++ Compiler and Qt 3.2.1. I don't know where you can get a stable libart package, I got my (unstable release) package from debian's homepage.

    * You _MUST_ have compiled Qt 3.2.1 (better 3.2.2) with multithreading support turned on (which is not Qt's default configuration), otherwise you can't configure and build scribus

    * You _MUST_ have FreeType installed (release > 2.1.0), whose autoconf script didn't like my XPG4-compliant egrep ("no acceptable egrep found in $PATH"). I hacked the configure script (mainly added "GREP=/usr/xpg4/bin/egrep" and deleted a bunch of lines), and it configured and compiled without errors (seems like it doesn't use egrep anyway). If you don't want to mess around with the configure script, you'll probably need GNU egrep; maybe somebody should tell the FreeType developers that GNU stands for "GNU's _NOT_ Unix", and we'd also like to be able to use Unix for compiling so-called Unix-software.

    * You may want to turn off python support. I got an error message ("relocations remain against allocatable but non-writeable objects" or something like that) when trying to build scribus with python support (but maybe python release 2.2.2 is just too old, so you'll have to try whether you can build scribus with newer versions of python)

    * Anyway, it doesn't work, because

    g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -D_REENTRANT -D_POSIX_PTHREAD_SEMANTICS -DUSE_SOLARIS -DSVR4 -O2 -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -c -o scribus.o `test -f 'scribus.cpp' || echo './'`scribus.cpp
    In file included from scribus.h:58,
    from scribus.cpp:37:
    seiten.h:139: error: parse error before numeric constant
    gmake[1]: *** [scribus.o] Error 1
    gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/export/application/scribus-1.1.6/scribus'
    gmake : *** [all-recursive] Error 1

    By the way, there is no numeric constant on line 139 in seiten.h, programming in C/C++ can be kind of frustrating...

    However, on the scribus homepage it says "Desktop Publishing for Linux", and as I'm using Solaris, I can't say it's scribus' fault that it doesn't work. Maybe it takes some GNU Not-Unix magic to make it work... :-/

    I am using gcc 3.3.2, Qt 3.2.2, FreeType 2.1.8, libart 2.3.16, GNUmake 3.80, Python 2.2.2 and korn shell 93 on a heavily patched Solaris 7 x86 (even runs Solaris 8 binaries, didn't try running Solaris 9 binaries yet).

  50. So many misconceptions! by bigchris · · Score: 1

    Hmmm. You're a professional designer, I see. Yep, a guy who designs documents, sends them to press guy without profiles or a reference target and then screams at them when things don't look right. I think that says it all.

    You are aware that most DTPs use a profile connection space to work with? They bring in an embedded or input profile associated with the image or another object, then do a colour transformation to a device independent profile connection space. The DTP app then does all it's work in that profile connection space.

    To view the image on screen, the DTP uses the display profile of your screen and the PCS and applies a rendering intent and then outputs the images/document to the screen. Similarly, to output the document to hardcopy the DTP applies a transformation with a rendering intent using the PCS and the output profiles.

    You see, I'm unsure why you think it matters whether an image is in CMYK or not! (you obviously can't view images as CMYK on a computer screen as it's a transmittive device (RGB) anyway) In other words, yes, an output device needs CMYK (usually) for professional output, but as most DTPs use a PCS to store images - so what?

    Incidently, slightly OT, but are you aware that most inkjets (even pro-graphics ones like the Epson Stylus Pro 10600) send RGB data to the device and let the printer map the RGB colours to CMYK for you? And also, when you send data down the line your app has to convert to raster data anyway and it won't be the same as your original compressed file?

    1. Re:So many misconceptions! by Doctor+O · · Score: 1

      Actually there is no English word for my profession, so I chose 'designer' for simplicity's sake. It's strange to see though, that you draw conclusions from my post which aren't in there just because of this.

      I am a "Mediengestalter" for seven years now (can be roughly translated as "media designer"), but design really isn't that big part in there. I am more what you call the "press guy". I don't know what you guys in the US do, but here in Europe the (small to medium-sized) printing company will only *print* and most prepress work is done by specialized prepress companies. My job is to take the data you mentioned and transform it into something which will print nicely. This includes (but is not limited to) typesetting, image manipulation, trapping, setting documents up for different printing methods and paper sizes (think printing machines, not final size of the prints) and preparing final steps like bindings etc. which all need preparation to be carried out smoothly later at the printing company.

      I don't see how it is relevant for the printing process that CMYK images will be transformed to RGB for viewing on-screen. We use ICC profiles for everything, so it doesn't matter where I view or print the file, it will look about the same. I see we could use the PCS, but profiles are being really used seriously among printing companies for about three or four years among our clients, and we don't feel like shelling out 250.000 EUR for an update to our production database which will support that while CMYK + profiles works just fine.

      Not quite OT I think, yes I know that Epson inkjets take RGB input (we've got some 9600's and 7600's for digital proofing). However, we make no use of this because we have all data as CMYK anyway. We also use some special RIP software which can be easily calibrated (we have two people alone for keeping an eye on the machines concerning color) and AFAIK we print PostScript to the Epsons. (The inkjets aren't exactly my territory though, nowadays I only help out the print guys when I need to and hack web applications and maintain network and servers instead.)

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    2. Re:So many misconceptions! by bigchris · · Score: 1
      Tongue in cheek/my own misconception. You *are* the press guy! Oops.

      What you said was "but actually I have no idea what a professional DTP application needs JPEG or PNG support for as you need CMYK output if you want to use this professionally. (Please spare me the "but Photoshop saves CMYK JPEGs". Thank you.)"

      Here's the thing... you can use a profile connection space in most DTP package (Adobe RGB 1998 or even better, CIE-LAB - from memory) that are immense and will just about fit all your possible colours of all the "objects" or images you use. Basically you work in the profile connection space when you use the DTP package and then apply your colour transforms when it gets to the final output device. Therefore you don't need to worry about whether your images are RGB or CMYK. This is called the late-binding model.

      The other model is the early-binding model, where the colour is converted to the final output space as soon as possible. This is what you're using, and fair enough too. Many places use it - both ways of doing things have their good and bad points. Basically you *know* what your final output is going to be (a highly calibrated and profiled print press), and this is the colour space you work in. I'd imagine this means your entire organisation is using the same standardised CMYK colour space of your press to work in. Of course, if you get an image (even a TIFF tagged with a CMYK profile) from an external source you'll still need to convert it to your final colour space - in fact as soon as you get it. Hence the reason why it's called early binding.

      Incidently, if you're editing on screen, then again you're image editor will need to be applying transforms on the fly as you'll be seeing only a representation of CMYK - your screen is, after all, a transmittive medium (RGB) and not reflective (CMYK). In fact I imagine that's one of the reasons you need the Epson 7600 and 9600 printers: for final proofing. Ironically enough (if this is the case) you'll be doing even more colour transforms, but I cover this below.

      My point:
      Anyway... I was trying to answer your question in regards to why you'd need support for JPEG or PNG images. (and by the way, if you tag JPEG with CMYK I can't see a problem with that). My point was that in many, many DTP packages the profile connection space is used, thereby largely making the fact that an image is RGB (gathered from a scanner, etc) or CMYK moot. As each of the images will exist in the larger PCS colour space, it only matters what happens when you finally output to press - thus the reason this methodology is called "late-binding".

      With the EPSON's, btw, you're not printing PostScript to them. They don't take PostScript directly, they only take their own raster data format. What is actually happening with the Epson printers is that the PS data is being sent to a RIP, which is converting the vector data to proper raster data - it's why it's called a RIP :P - and then the RIP is sending this data to the printer. The fact that you're using PS is really beside the point though. PS is a vector language that just happens to be able to hold colour data (and it does have some colour transforms built-in AFAIK) as I know you're aware. What's happening when you print from captured image to screen to printer is the following:

      image (CMYK, RGB - doesn't matter) -> DTP (PCS, like CIE-LAB) -> RIP (transform to RIP's CMYK profile) -> raster data (RGB) -> printer (map RGB to printer's CMYK)

      You see how many colour transforms that this needs? That's late binding for you!

      Incidently, one last thing. I'm not from the U.S. I'm an Aussie. And I think sticking to servers is better as it's more interesting than printers... I'm getting jealous :P

  51. TeX by Wolfier · · Score: 1

    Someone has to ask this question.

    Does it export layouts to TeX code?

    1. Re:TeX by prokoudine · · Score: 1

      Does it have to?

    2. Re:TeX by WillAdams · · Score: 1

      Creating a graphical tool to create (La)TeX layouts would be non-trivial, actually, probably approaches hard or impossible --- it takes _four_ levels of grouping to get a frame around an arbitrary-size box for example.

      That's not a big deal though, since a normal workflow for a book is to:

      - draw up rough layouts by hand, on tissue / vellum w/ a #2 pencil until one has one or more good candidates
      - create tight comprehensive layouts of the better versions either by inking or re-drawing the roughs, or re-creating the layouts w/ a graphical tool like FreeHand, Illustrator or Quark or InDesign.
      - select the best one
      - label all the elements, compare against the document markup and make sure one has exemplars for all elements
      - write up an unambiguous, comprehensive specification including coverage of issues such as stacked heads
      - send sample layout, specifications and manuscript and art program to a composition house for layout

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  52. Alternative at a reasonable price with more power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    I am amazed that I have yet to see any Linux press about PageStream. It is a powerful DTP package that has been under development since the days of the Atari ST and was very popular on the Amiga as well. It is available for Linux, Windows, Mac OS/X, the Amiga and (older versions) still for the Atari.

    There is a general, yet more powerful than anything I've seen out of Scribus, version for $99 and a new "Pro" version for $149. That's a very good and reasonable price for software of this power. This is definitely a package that DESERVES some press from the Linux community! Here is the URL to their site:

    http://www.grasshopperllc.com/

    If you have any serious interest in doing DTP under Linux, this is THE package to check out. Hopefully, in a few years, Scribus will catch up to PageStream, but it is not there yet.

  53. No spot colors by Cranx · · Score: 1

    Scribus, like GIMP, has no spot colors, such as Pantone, etc. That's a significant shortcoming.

    1. Re:No spot colors by scribusdocs · · Score: 2, Informative

      Scribus can import spot colors via EPS, as well as DCS 2.0 files. Support for Pantone requires licensing the Pantone libraries.

    2. Re:No spot colors by Cranx · · Score: 1

      I don't believe you can add support for Pantone or any other spot color system to either Scribus or GIMP, whether you license libraries or not. I don't believe it's an option at all.

      Am I wrong on that? Can you design and set spot colors in Scribus or GIMP after performing some licensing task, or some other mechanism?

    3. Re:No spot colors by adrianbaugh · · Score: 1

      I suspect he means "support for pantone would require the Gimp/Scribus developers to license the library".

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    4. Re:No spot colors by prokoudine · · Score: 1

      Yes, I'm afraid you are wrong :) Scribus supports colorsets, which are extremely easy to be made. If you own a license, you can make a pantone colorset and add it to Scribus. Scribus developers have agreement with Inscape developers to have common format for colorsets. Guess what for :)

    5. Re:No spot colors by Cranx · · Score: 1

      I will have to look again then...I didn't see a customizable spot color system. All I found were CMYK settings...no spot color abilities at all.

  54. comes with clusterknoppix by SharkPork · · Score: 1

    By the way, I discovered completely by accident over the weekend that this app comes with the ClusterKnoppix LiveCD, I think version 3.3-2004-02-16. I think its v1.1.4 of Scribus that's included.

    I have to support about 12 small newspapers right now, and I would LOVE to be able to get rid of all the stupid macintoshes that are a PITA to maintain and go to a more stable platform that doesn't break the bank.

    The newspaper industry IS notoriously stingy (as evident by my paycheck), and if this app comes out polished enough to be able to perform the same functions of QuarkXpress and run it on hardware that's less expensive to purchase, maintain and replace, that's another lever to use on the administrative side to get some linux workstations in place. Add in some OpenOffice.org to the equation, and most of the win2k boxes can get converted, too.

    Of course, since we're all running on an AD domain, we'd still have to pay Microsoft for the CALs to connect to the W2k servers and the Exchange2K email server. Change will be a loooong time coming there.

    But Scribus is an awesome HUGE step in the right direction for linux. For linux to become a real desktop replacement in the workplace, it's gotta have the apps that are needed by even the "niche" industries, like publishing, accounting, insurance, etc...

    There are hordes of small businesses that have to pay big-business prices for software to do their job. I'd almost say the small-businesses outnumber the big ones, so if the SB owner can convert to linux, when they become a BB, they will bring linux with them, and the plan to rule the world will finally be culminated!!!! er, I mean, they will help to bring linux to the masses.

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    1. Re:comes with clusterknoppix by prokoudine · · Score: 1

      You say that you support "about 12 small newspapers" right now. What dou you mean with support? Is it something about hardware or software or network or all together? Is it something that would let you help Scribus developers with bug reports/feature requests?

    2. Re:comes with clusterknoppix by SharkPork · · Score: 1

      Well, the HUGE Corporation owns the Very Big Company that owns the Smaller Company that is made up of many small newspapers in central Wisconsin. the Very Big company is a mostly Microsoft house, with macs for doing layout and such, with several people on the IT staff.

      Me and one other guy do pretty much all of the IT support (except network/mail administration), network support, application support, desktop support, etc. for the 12 newspapers that make up the Smaller Company. Basically, if it's got a switch, knob, button, light, display, or dial, or if it beeps and gets plugged into any sort of receptacle, then we get to support it.

      There's one or two guys at the Very Big Company who enjoy the fun of linux, and then there's me, and I keep bringing up the linux issue to people (like I did with the Director of IT at the Very Big Company yesterday. I figured it would be a chance, since he's got a huge poster of the 2.4 kernel on his wall) and his quote went something like "That's all good, but when something goes wrong, just tell the user to go find the answer on a mailing list somewhere. HHAHAHAHAHahahahaha.." and then he walked away.

      Right now, the only linux machine in all of the 12 locations that I cover is my dual-boot laptop. I'm going to try and scrounge up a machine to set up as a linux workstation replacement, and have one of the more open-minded people try to use it in parallel with their regular one for a while, and get their reaction. I'd love to help Scribus out with bug reports/feature requests, but It's going to take some doing before I can even get a machine to run it on.

      As for the "you should use Mac OSX" guy, I'd love to, but does QuarkXpress 4.xx work with OSX? I was under the impression that QuarkXpress 5.xx did, but not 4.xx. at 900 bucks a pop, 5.xx licenses are definitely not what the company's going to go for, just to justify going to OSX. And as for servers, We've got racks of Dell Poweredges that cost a pretty penny, and work wonderfully, so I doubt they want to convert to OSX boxes as servers either.

      I think the current IT regime at the HUGE Corporation and the Very Big Company would love to drive the rest of the macs out and go with all PC's, but there are the rabid macheads who want to keep on keepin' on. I'm just trying to slip some linux in the door in all the hubbub.

      Personally, all I care is that the system works, and works well. currently, the Windows boxes do that, and the mac ones don't, without a LOT of babysitting. I figure if I can get a linux box in somewhere that does the same things that both the macs AND the windows machines do, at a lower cost with equal or better results, that's one equation they can't ignore.

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  55. Stuff Scribus needs / I want in it by WillAdams · · Score: 1

    Better H&J --- this is particularly egregious since TeX's is in the public domain and Adobe even made use of it (by way of URW's HZ) in InDesign

    Broader, ink-oriented colour support --- the GIMP needs this too. Forget ``just'' CMYK, let's see a sophisticated, general model for mixing ink reflex blue w/ metallic flake silver. cf. Cerilica's Truism and PowerTone / SilverTone.

    Better user interface, say something like Macromedia Freehand on steroids (it kills me that Macromedia didn't follow through on Altsys adding page layout features to their successor to FreeHand 3 Virtuoso --- Altsys Virtuoso 2.0~=Macromedia FreeHand 4, but on NeXTstep).

    Also, type manipulation capabilities like Right Brain's TouchType.app (w/ Adobe ``lost'' the source code to so can't make available for Mac OS X).

    It'd be nice if it ran in GNUstep so one got Services &c. Where's the equation option?

    In the meanwhile, I'll just continue using TeX and Altsys Virtuoso on my NeXT Cube.

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  56. Very good app by Britz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I just want to use this forum to thank the developers of scribus for this fine app.

    I did some desktop publishing back in school with Adobe Pagemaker, but I don't have a usable Windoze box around anymore. So last fall I checked if there were any desktop publishing tools for Linux available when I wanted to create a "birthday paper" for my dad's 60's birthday.

    apt-get install scribus

    And the program had everything I needed and not a single thing too much. It was usable without much learning and I was able to produce a profesional looking paper practically over the weekend.

    It even had support for automatic hipernation in German language.

  57. Re:Summarize what it does in one word by Myridon · · Score: 1

    I can even say 'cddr' with a Lisp!

  58. What is the Scribus? by McNally · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Does it answer this one?
    What the hell is it?

    Q: What is the Scribus?
    A: Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Scribus is. You have to see it for yourself.
    1. Re:What is the Scribus? by zonker · · Score: 0

      you may be more right than you think, since the site appears to be /.'d...

  59. Any good for books? by Roadkills-R-Us · · Score: 1

    Would it be a good tool for pub;lishing a 75 page book with some photos in the middle?

    1. Re:Any good for books? by scribusdocs · · Score: 1

      Best way is to do the chapters in separate files and then combine at the end. Can it do it ? Yes - the 1.2 Docs, which are certainly going to be over 100 pages will be done in Scribus.

  60. scribus? by eddeye · · Score: 1

    Is it any relation to Jeebus?

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  61. Version 1.9.8 is important by billstewart · · Score: 1

    It adds skins, and the scrollbar accelerator feature is really cool!

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  62. Scribus (and Quark) run on Mac OS X... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I'm going to guess that your Macs are running OS 9.x.

    If you switch the Macs to OS X, particularly with OS X Server, it won't be a PITA to maintain and you can probably chuck some of the Windows servers as the OS X server can run your AD.

    OS X is UNIX. It's rock stable. OS X server runs Apache and PHP and everything you'd expect from a Linux server.

    OS X is Macintosh. So it runs Photoshop and Quark (finally!) and InDesign. It can run Word. It also has *much* better vector graphics programs IMHO than Linux.

    My point is this--give OS X a try. You might like it, and I'm sure all the people currently using Macs would prefer to us OS X to Linux if given a choice at the moment. Heck, most design folks I know are so reluctant to change, that they'll still want to use Quark 4.x or 5.x on an ancient Mac 1-2 years from now rather than InDesign or something else on a brand-new G5...

    (Oh, and you can save a *lot* of money if you switch your server to OS X since there's a relatively cheap unlimited client license.)

  63. Missing some important features. by KevinDumpsCore · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How about the ability to import/export files with FrameMaker's Maker Interchange Format (MIF) format? Lots of Linux documentation is written with DocBook which can be rendered to MIF using OpenJade.

    IMHO, the ability to import MIF files and tidy up their page layouts before the final render/print would make this a killer app. Other page layout programs may able to import MIF files so exporting this format would be helpful.

    Also, how about an English language manual?

    1. Re:Missing some important features. by prokoudine · · Score: 1

      If you take a time to read Roadmap for Scribus (available on http://www.scribus.net), you will see that there will be lots of changes in 1.3 branch including native format redesign. After that it will be easier to deal with other XML-based formats. The comprehensive manual en English is a work in progress.

  64. Got it installed... by octogen · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Now I finally got 1.1.6 installed on my Solaris box.

    For all Solaris users:

    Regarding the error on line 139 in scribus/seiten.h:
    (parse error before numeric constant)
    The code on line 139 is:
    QCheckBox* DS;

    On Solaris, and possibly on many other Unix System V Implementations, DS is already defined if something includes signal.h; to fix this error, place the following line into seiten.h (right after the #include statements):
    #undef DS

    I compiled Scribus on an Intel Platform Edition machine, which is a little-endian architecture. After installing Scribus, i got the following error:
    xlib_rgb_init: compiled for big endian, but this is a little endian machine.

    I tried a lot of modifications in gdk-pixbuf*.[ch] and in config.h to make it work, but it always starts up with a white page that turns red after about 1/4 second. If I choose red as background color for the page, the page turns darkgreen. Combinations of red and blue work, combinations of blue and green do also work.

    I don't know what's wrong with the colors, but to me it seems like the developers of Scribus really messed up a lot of things regarding big-endian/little-endian dependent computations (I wonder where you need such computations in your code, when you just want to view an empty page.)

    So, it theoretically works. Practically it doesn't, because the color computations are broken...

    1. Re:Got it installed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Err.. we already have solaris users.. saying how wonderful it runs on Sparcs etc.

      FWIW we have even tested Scribus on a 128bit machine.

    2. Re:Got it installed... by octogen · · Score: 1

      This is an Intel Platform Edition machine (Solaris x86) .. there is definately something wrong with those color computations, and /usr/lib/signal.h defines DS, which scribus/seiten.h tries to use as a variable name for some kind of a Qt widget...

  65. Re:usability by Beautyon · · Score: 1

    stability: ????? bwaaahaahahahaha

    Precisely. They need to work on that, not GUI non-issues

    C'mon last stable was 4.11. 5 never was finished when they already released 6, (yes I agree OSX was the reason) and 6 is not even near to be stable (don't know on OSX though)

    it can still dissapear with no reason under OSX, and there is already a 6.1 patch! WORK WORK WORK Ibrahimi!!!

    InDesign is taking Quarks share in such ammount.

    InDesign is a piece of trash. No professional is switching to it, and it cannot touch the ubiquity and third party support of QuarkXpress.

    nuff said.

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  66. Re:Alternative at a reasonable price with more pow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >If you have any serious interest in doing DTP under >Linux, this is THE package to check out. Hopefully, >in a few years, Scribus will catch up to >PageStream, but it is not there yet.

    Err - No!

    The Linux port is a buggy crash prone POS.

    A quick scan of the pagestream mailing lists will show many unhappy campers and a developer who really does not understand Linux :(

    Sad to say, coz it was great on the Amiga