I know you started your reply by crying out: 'give me a break', but I would really wish to point out that you are the exact kind of poster that I want to give me a break
While attentions are diverted from Microsoft they are rebuilding. Once the dust of the present war ends Microsoft will step in, fully rested, and pick up where it left off however they will be fighting a tired and battle weary enemy.
Does somebody again want to clarify what this is all about in the first place. I bought a red-hat boxed linux sometime ago, and it did not come with sharp knives, camoflauge paint or gunpowder to get me ready for the up and coming technology war of the century, in fact, knowing then what I know now, I wouldn't have bought the box, since I can get that stuff free on the internet. What is the fight all about???? Who's doing battle with who??? You're stepping onto the battlefield to put your life on the line for what? So that people you've never met get forced to use your operating system of choice? Can't I just use my computer happily and quietly, the way I want...why do I have to fight in the trenches?
I've been reading slashdot for a while, and I don't post often, but you my friend, have finally caused me to put in my two cents. I use a computer running linux for one reason, and one reason only: it suits my needs. I am not planning on battling a giant software company by using it. Linux will _never_ die (I'd be willing to argue that point, but I won't now). People will continue to use windows as well, and most of the people I know that do, I don't blame them, as they have their own reasons. It makes no difference to anybody except yourself what you want to use, so if you have the savvy to run something like linux, then by all means, run your own box. What this isn't about is fighting a battle against a large software company (note that I don't call them a monopolist, as they aren't). I'll let redhat do that, as that's what they are in the business for. If I start my own company, no matter what I do, I'd buy software that works best for what we need. Do I stake my company on the automatic install of OSS based on my moral beliefs that OSS is better? How about I only hire employees that have the same moral opinion as I do, regardless of their skill level? Sounds like something's not right with this picture.
I sincerely hope that people like yourself will eventually realize that this isn't about war, it's about freedom...and you have to remember that if you exercise your own freedom effectively, war is not necessary.
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If pop-up blocking is integrated into the browser that 90% of the web-surfing population is using, you can bet that they'll start figuring out how to get around it- or worse, figure out some more annoying method of advertising.
...could be verily easily changed to read:
If pop-up blocking is integrated into the browser that 90% of the web-surfing population is using, you can bet that they'll start figuring out how to get around it- or better, figure out some less annoying method of advertising.
In which case everyone will be a bit better off. Just because advertising is currently annoying doesn't mean it will continue to become moreso.
Not to be disrespectful, but the point I was trying to make is that everyone has their own measure of worth. Wehn you say:
The more worthless the information/product/message, the higher the crap level.
...worthless, I may remind you, is subjective. If you have seen no good examples of anything that was conveyed better with flash, obviously you don't watch animation. Or maybe you think asciimation is better. I don't get it.
...the "based on the book by J.R.R.Tolkien" edition?
Have you considered that the movie screen is a fundamentally different medium than the novel? The standard cliche of the book always being better than the movie comes from the fact that ones imagination plays a crucial role in realizing the characters and their troubles/vicotries, as opposed to trying to see an actor convey those emotions. All said, I think Peter Jackson is doing as good a job as can be done, and I stand by my opinion that were he to follow the plot of the books exactly, the movie would be, well, rather long and boring. As an example, the Two Towers constantly jumps between the three seperate storylines of Merry/Pippin, Aragorn, and Frodo/Sam/gollum. This keeps the plot going all of the time, hence making it easier to stay in your seat and watch the entire story in one sitting (try doing that with the book). Could you imagine if they did it exactly as in the book?
The plot would move for a while, there would be a gigantic battle occuring at helms deep, and then the story would stop, changing to the story of Frodo'/Sam/Gollum for the last hour of the movie. For the film medium, this would clearly suck, as the most obviously compelling character in the story (and that particular chapter of the story), would not be in the movie until the end...in which case his character would have to be developed after the film had already reached a climax with the battle of helms deep.
I'm not sure about you, but I wouldn't want to see the exact sequence of events in the book translated on screen. Tolkein is a great author, but does he know how to write a screenplay? I give my full kudos to Peter Jackson for making a film that is astonishing to watch in its own right, yet remains fully (and I mean fully) in the spirit of the books. There should be more film-makers like him.
Now if only web designers around the world would realize that I go to their website for information, not to see their cute little flash animation intro. I know you're a frustrated movie/art student. Deal with it and let me get the info I need.
Now if only web surfers around the world realized that some people like art and other little flash animations, and flash is the best way to be ensured that the maximum number of people can see art/animations. I know you're in a hurry to get nothing but information, but deal with it, sometimes it's nice to stop and smell the flowers.
Which makes me pause to wonder...If you are looking for nothing but information, do you stop your browser from downloading images from all the webpages you go to?
I read an interesting article once talking about this exact thing. It turns out that in europe, everyone has that long vacation, and working extra time to make the money isn't really a viable option, whereas in america, you can trade your work time in for a vacation. In essence, in the United States you could have it either way. Why so many people would want to take only two weeks of holidays in a year is beyond me, but personally I would take unpaid holiday to pad it a bit.
so, if you define success as holidays, then really, both systems can be seen to be successful, but if you want to work that much harder so you can buy that extra car or retire that extra bit earlier, than the United States is more successful.
I wholeheartedly agree. choice gives both projects strength...
Thanks for mentioning the -fs thing...why does it seem so simple to do those things when someone else mentions them on slashdot, rather than drudgin through manuals? ah well, my love for linux is continued, as you helped me learn something new today, thus keeping my daily streak alive.
Considering that the vast majority of people do silly things when given the oppurtunity (sorry, no stat on that one, it's just a gut feeling), when the squeaky clean ones rise to the top, who do they actually represent? The other small percentage of squeaky clean people trying to run the country?
of the time that I showed everquest to a friend of mine who is not into playing video games. His first question was: 'If you do well at the game does your monthly fee go down?'
I thought that was a brilliant idea. Sort of like pumping quarters into an arcade machine. every time you play, you pay. sounds like a great new addiction.
I'm pretty darn sure that IBM doesn't buy into the open-source ideals either. The thing is, open source is based on an ideal philosophy, but it has some practical benefits. IBM can use those practical benefits to their advantage. It's an open platform, and lots of volunteers work to strengthen codes that will eventually run on IBM hardware. By doing so, perhaps IBM is validating the ideals championed by free-as-in-liberty software people, but perhaps they are just being practical, and the benefits to the open-source ideals are non-existent, only the practical advantages of open-source are championed.
Ideals can be misleading, so I don't really count their worth so highly. The ideal Communism sounded great (it still does, in some ways), but it turned out that it wasn't very practical. It's the pragmatic approach that works best for all, and if the open-source movement didn't offer any practical advantage in the software development world, than IBM wouldn't give a dice about free software.
Suppose you write a new operating system designed for some specific purpose and the only code it uses from Linux is the code encapsulating those four IBM patents. The way I figure it, as long as you use the code in-house only or as long as you distribute the code under the GPL, there will be no patent infringement. Is that right?
But if you turn around and start insisting that people pay for the use of that product, than you are violating the license under which you originally recieved the software. I think it would be this way at least.
what I am wondering is if all of the people who have contributed to the kernel code can sue SCO for not following the GPL in its distribution of Linux? There's a lot more non-SCO code in the kernel than SCO-code, I am sure.
y'know, I never really thought of it this way. IBM has enough stake now in Linux that they are defending the principles it is built on. This is a serious milestone for the open source movement.
I remember camping a couple of weeks ago, and a buddy of mine brought along a radio/flashlight that had a handle on it for charging the battery inside mechanically. It was pretty great, until it broke because of too much drunken charging. We had to wait until the next day when the solar cells had enough light to kick in.
Anyways, after seeing that thing in action, I recommend you give away all portable technology you have and get a solar/mechano radio/flashlight!
I was about to reply the exact same thing, except mention the upcoming Project Gotham game that makes me excited instead of Apex racing (are they comparable?). I care about DRM issues, but I also like to enjoy my time. Microsoft, with its Xbox, is providing reasonable enough entertainment value for the money, so why shouldn't I buy it? For Moral reasons?
I have to post, as there are only eleven posts so far, but I have to say it's nice to see SCO news that's actually new.
This is somewhat disturbing. Does anyone else think that every day that we continue going forth with Microsoft possibly taking up mindshare makes it more difficult to someday pull away from that?
I'm sorry, but democracy only works with an educated populace. Everyone here is so stupid that they will continue to elect these kinds of people. Our country has no hope. People just continue to get more and more stupid. So much for a civilization.
uhhh...do you mean that democracy works in your eyes with an educated populace? If the majority of people are, in your opinion, stupid, than doesn't it make sense that they will elect politicians that will outsmart them? Isn't this the way it always works, with eventually some rebellion and a step along the civilization-progress meter?
I agree with some of the things in the previous posts. I am a Linux User at school and at home. Being reasonably technical, I can do most things, and with the help of the internet, I can trouble-shoot most every problem that comes my way. That being said, I've never successfully compiled a linux kernel, always running into strange problems along the way. I imagine I would hit some of the same esoteric errors when running a testing kernel, but I would be happy to report those, as it is testing.
I see nothing wrong with some major distro releasing a testing kernel that will work within most of their system. The key is, you don't offer it right on the CD that installs the main operating system. For example, RH comes with, I think, 3 disks for the OS, plus a couple more source ones, which I never download anyways. What's the trouble with one more iso that contains all sorts of testing stuff. chances are, only people interested enough in testing a new kernel would go and get it to download, in the same way that only those interested enough in hacking some source will go and get the source CDs.
wow, I knew some people were up in arms about this, but your response is quite the leap. Thanks for it though; I appreciate the sentiments, as I agree with them most of the way home.
It's tough to ask whether Enron, Tyco, Worldcom, Microsoft, SCO...and so on love humanity, as they aren't the corporeal entities that can feel the emotion of love. I would be willing to bet that the people in those corpos who have a large hand in making decisions for the financial betterment of themselves and the people immediately around them don't necessarily live a happy life. That's good enough for me. I'm free to not care a whit for them and their fancy cars, and really, since I'm only going to be around for a hundred years or so, I'd rather spend my time doing stuff that I think is cooler (be it learning a new linux command every day, playing cards with my friends). If they deserve my scorn, and this scorn prompts me to rave about how terrible they are than they have effectively stolen my time, and I have thus lost. It is totally possible to disagree with what I have just said (we are all free to disagree), but that's just my take on it. I'm sure you'll disagree.
Fortunately, the bonus of the whole situation is that there are a lot of people in the industry, who can see that this entire deal is bulls**t on SCO's part, and if those people think it's dumb, it can do nothing better than to hurt SCO in the long run (errr...unless they've already fscked themselves in the short run). I'll be happy to hear a verdict chewing them out, and it's a good possibility that may take a while to come, but until then, I have other things to worry about that are relevant to me. If they however, win, and someday in the future I am in a position to buy their products, I won't. Even if that occurs, Linux and freedom will still move onwards, it's the nature of the beast. I plan to exercise my freedom to step on the SCO cockroach too!
cheers, DenOfEarth
They hate humanity and our ability to think and reason and invent.
Now, isn't that a bit harsh? I bet they probably don't mind humanity that much. I think what they are probably most keen on is to have a fairly reliable source of income, so they don't have to compete in a vicious marketplace. I definitely agree with you that signing an NDA is a bad idea in this case, even though I haven't read it, but it's not because the SCO guys want to steal your soul, or anything like that. They want money, money, money. simple enough
To not have to worry about the lawn because you placed a chemical that causes it to grow stronger and less fast or to be able to not have to worry about the house because a new weatherproof paint won't fade peel or chip. It's these "simple" things that we may not notice, but we also don't notice the impact they have on us. It can take an entire weekend to plant a garden, take care of a lawn, or paint a house.
So, what makes me wonder is why we even have lawns in the first place? Parks seem to make sense, as those places are normally used by many people. The lawn in a suburban household, where the owner comes home and enters the garage with his car, parking it, and going to his kitchen without even touching a blade of grass on the way. Why not cover the yard with something easier to take care of, like rocks, or thorny bushes. Then you don't even have to put checmicals on your property to keep it worry free, it just is.
IMHO, these things worry me the most. a lot of people are very concerned about creating a lifestyle for themself that seems to be kind of silly when you actually think about it. Grass...what's the point, anyways? Siding on the house, I guess that's a nice touch, but you spent the wad of dough on the house, and put yourself in a position to have to worry about how it looks (if that matters to you, of course).
Although, with regards to the article, there are many things that are simply useless, but as long as enough people pay the dough to have them, then they will be made. And in response to the guy who said that indoor plumbing was kind of pointless when it came out, try living somewhere cold and travel out to the stinky outhouse in the winter, oh wait, you can't do that, as everyone immediately grasped onto great utility of indoor plumbing.
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I know you started your reply by crying out: 'give me a break', but I would really wish to point out that you are the exact kind of poster that I want to give me a break
While attentions are diverted from Microsoft they are rebuilding. Once the dust of the present war ends Microsoft will step in, fully rested, and pick up where it left off however they will be fighting a tired and battle weary enemy.
Does somebody again want to clarify what this is all about in the first place. I bought a red-hat boxed linux sometime ago, and it did not come with sharp knives, camoflauge paint or gunpowder to get me ready for the up and coming technology war of the century, in fact, knowing then what I know now, I wouldn't have bought the box, since I can get that stuff free on the internet. What is the fight all about???? Who's doing battle with who??? You're stepping onto the battlefield to put your life on the line for what? So that people you've never met get forced to use your operating system of choice? Can't I just use my computer happily and quietly, the way I want...why do I have to fight in the trenches?
I've been reading slashdot for a while, and I don't post often, but you my friend, have finally caused me to put in my two cents. I use a computer running linux for one reason, and one reason only: it suits my needs. I am not planning on battling a giant software company by using it. Linux will _never_ die (I'd be willing to argue that point, but I won't now). People will continue to use windows as well, and most of the people I know that do, I don't blame them, as they have their own reasons. It makes no difference to anybody except yourself what you want to use, so if you have the savvy to run something like linux, then by all means, run your own box. What this isn't about is fighting a battle against a large software company (note that I don't call them a monopolist, as they aren't). I'll let redhat do that, as that's what they are in the business for. If I start my own company, no matter what I do, I'd buy software that works best for what we need. Do I stake my company on the automatic install of OSS based on my moral beliefs that OSS is better? How about I only hire employees that have the same moral opinion as I do, regardless of their skill level? Sounds like something's not right with this picture.
I sincerely hope that people like yourself will eventually realize that this isn't about war, it's about freedom...and you have to remember that if you exercise your own freedom effectively, war is not necessary.
If pop-up blocking is integrated into the browser that 90% of the web-surfing population is using, you can bet that they'll start figuring out how to get around it- or worse, figure out some more annoying method of advertising.
...could be verily easily changed to read:
If pop-up blocking is integrated into the browser that 90% of the web-surfing population is using, you can bet that they'll start figuring out how to get around it- or better, figure out some less annoying method of advertising.
In which case everyone will be a bit better off. Just because advertising is currently annoying doesn't mean it will continue to become moreso.
Yes I did get my handle from heavy metal. Thanks for noticing...I think you are the first
Not to be disrespectful, but the point I was trying to make is that everyone has their own measure of worth. Wehn you say:
The more worthless the information/product/message, the higher the crap level.
...worthless, I may remind you, is subjective. If you have seen no good examples of anything that was conveyed better with flash, obviously you don't watch animation. Or maybe you think asciimation is better. I don't get it.
Have you considered that the movie screen is a fundamentally different medium than the novel? The standard cliche of the book always being better than the movie comes from the fact that ones imagination plays a crucial role in realizing the characters and their troubles/vicotries, as opposed to trying to see an actor convey those emotions. All said, I think Peter Jackson is doing as good a job as can be done, and I stand by my opinion that were he to follow the plot of the books exactly, the movie would be, well, rather long and boring. As an example, the Two Towers constantly jumps between the three seperate storylines of Merry/Pippin, Aragorn, and Frodo/Sam/gollum. This keeps the plot going all of the time, hence making it easier to stay in your seat and watch the entire story in one sitting (try doing that with the book). Could you imagine if they did it exactly as in the book?
The plot would move for a while, there would be a gigantic battle occuring at helms deep, and then the story would stop, changing to the story of Frodo'/Sam/Gollum for the last hour of the movie. For the film medium, this would clearly suck, as the most obviously compelling character in the story (and that particular chapter of the story), would not be in the movie until the end...in which case his character would have to be developed after the film had already reached a climax with the battle of helms deep.
I'm not sure about you, but I wouldn't want to see the exact sequence of events in the book translated on screen. Tolkein is a great author, but does he know how to write a screenplay? I give my full kudos to Peter Jackson for making a film that is astonishing to watch in its own right, yet remains fully (and I mean fully) in the spirit of the books. There should be more film-makers like him.
Now if only web designers around the world would realize that I go to their website for information, not to see their cute little flash animation intro. I know you're a frustrated movie/art student. Deal with it and let me get the info I need.
Now if only web surfers around the world realized that some people like art and other little flash animations, and flash is the best way to be ensured that the maximum number of people can see art/animations. I know you're in a hurry to get nothing but information, but deal with it, sometimes it's nice to stop and smell the flowers.
Which makes me pause to wonder...If you are looking for nothing but information, do you stop your browser from downloading images from all the webpages you go to?
of or relating to the atomic nucleus
Pardon my ignorance, but should that read: of or relating to the atomic nucleus / nuculus?
what does the merriam-webster dictionary say is the proper pronunciation of 'nucleus'?
...that credits mass deleting or mass destroying of cultural artifacts as a good thing.
I don't think you were the only one confused...but maybe now that we're thinking of it we should attack mars
so, if you define success as holidays, then really, both systems can be seen to be successful, but if you want to work that much harder so you can buy that extra car or retire that extra bit earlier, than the United States is more successful.
I wholeheartedly agree. choice gives both projects strength...
Thanks for mentioning the -fs thing...why does it seem so simple to do those things when someone else mentions them on slashdot, rather than drudgin through manuals? ah well, my love for linux is continued, as you helped me learn something new today, thus keeping my daily streak alive.
Considering that the vast majority of people do silly things when given the oppurtunity (sorry, no stat on that one, it's just a gut feeling), when the squeaky clean ones rise to the top, who do they actually represent? The other small percentage of squeaky clean people trying to run the country?
of the time that I showed everquest to a friend of mine who is not into playing video games. His first question was: 'If you do well at the game does your monthly fee go down?'
I thought that was a brilliant idea. Sort of like pumping quarters into an arcade machine. every time you play, you pay. sounds like a great new addiction.
I'm pretty darn sure that IBM doesn't buy into the open-source ideals either. The thing is, open source is based on an ideal philosophy, but it has some practical benefits. IBM can use those practical benefits to their advantage. It's an open platform, and lots of volunteers work to strengthen codes that will eventually run on IBM hardware. By doing so, perhaps IBM is validating the ideals championed by free-as-in-liberty software people, but perhaps they are just being practical, and the benefits to the open-source ideals are non-existent, only the practical advantages of open-source are championed.
Ideals can be misleading, so I don't really count their worth so highly. The ideal Communism sounded great (it still does, in some ways), but it turned out that it wasn't very practical. It's the pragmatic approach that works best for all, and if the open-source movement didn't offer any practical advantage in the software development world, than IBM wouldn't give a dice about free software.
But if you turn around and start insisting that people pay for the use of that product, than you are violating the license under which you originally recieved the software. I think it would be this way at least.
what I am wondering is if all of the people who have contributed to the kernel code can sue SCO for not following the GPL in its distribution of Linux? There's a lot more non-SCO code in the kernel than SCO-code, I am sure.
y'know, I never really thought of it this way. IBM has enough stake now in Linux that they are defending the principles it is built on. This is a serious milestone for the open source movement.
hehe, you're a dummie, as now there's a book telling you how to use Solaris 9 ;)
Anyways, after seeing that thing in action, I recommend you give away all portable technology you have and get a solar/mechano radio/flashlight!
I was about to reply the exact same thing, except mention the upcoming Project Gotham game that makes me excited instead of Apex racing (are they comparable?). I care about DRM issues, but I also like to enjoy my time. Microsoft, with its Xbox, is providing reasonable enough entertainment value for the money, so why shouldn't I buy it? For Moral reasons?
This is somewhat disturbing. Does anyone else think that every day that we continue going forth with Microsoft possibly taking up mindshare makes it more difficult to someday pull away from that?
uhhh...do you mean that democracy works in your eyes with an educated populace? If the majority of people are, in your opinion, stupid, than doesn't it make sense that they will elect politicians that will outsmart them? Isn't this the way it always works, with eventually some rebellion and a step along the civilization-progress meter?
I see nothing wrong with some major distro releasing a testing kernel that will work within most of their system. The key is, you don't offer it right on the CD that installs the main operating system. For example, RH comes with, I think, 3 disks for the OS, plus a couple more source ones, which I never download anyways. What's the trouble with one more iso that contains all sorts of testing stuff. chances are, only people interested enough in testing a new kernel would go and get it to download, in the same way that only those interested enough in hacking some source will go and get the source CDs.
It's tough to ask whether Enron, Tyco, Worldcom, Microsoft, SCO...and so on love humanity, as they aren't the corporeal entities that can feel the emotion of love. I would be willing to bet that the people in those corpos who have a large hand in making decisions for the financial betterment of themselves and the people immediately around them don't necessarily live a happy life. That's good enough for me. I'm free to not care a whit for them and their fancy cars, and really, since I'm only going to be around for a hundred years or so, I'd rather spend my time doing stuff that I think is cooler (be it learning a new linux command every day, playing cards with my friends). If they deserve my scorn, and this scorn prompts me to rave about how terrible they are than they have effectively stolen my time, and I have thus lost. It is totally possible to disagree with what I have just said (we are all free to disagree), but that's just my take on it. I'm sure you'll disagree.
Fortunately, the bonus of the whole situation is that there are a lot of people in the industry, who can see that this entire deal is bulls**t on SCO's part, and if those people think it's dumb, it can do nothing better than to hurt SCO in the long run (errr...unless they've already fscked themselves in the short run). I'll be happy to hear a verdict chewing them out, and it's a good possibility that may take a while to come, but until then, I have other things to worry about that are relevant to me. If they however, win, and someday in the future I am in a position to buy their products, I won't. Even if that occurs, Linux and freedom will still move onwards, it's the nature of the beast. I plan to exercise my freedom to step on the SCO cockroach too! cheers, DenOfEarth
Now, isn't that a bit harsh? I bet they probably don't mind humanity that much. I think what they are probably most keen on is to have a fairly reliable source of income, so they don't have to compete in a vicious marketplace. I definitely agree with you that signing an NDA is a bad idea in this case, even though I haven't read it, but it's not because the SCO guys want to steal your soul, or anything like that. They want money, money, money. simple enough
To not have to worry about the lawn because you placed a chemical that causes it to grow stronger and less fast or to be able to not have to worry about the house because a new weatherproof paint won't fade peel or chip. It's these "simple" things that we may not notice, but we also don't notice the impact they have on us. It can take an entire weekend to plant a garden, take care of a lawn, or paint a house.
So, what makes me wonder is why we even have lawns in the first place? Parks seem to make sense, as those places are normally used by many people. The lawn in a suburban household, where the owner comes home and enters the garage with his car, parking it, and going to his kitchen without even touching a blade of grass on the way. Why not cover the yard with something easier to take care of, like rocks, or thorny bushes. Then you don't even have to put checmicals on your property to keep it worry free, it just is.
IMHO, these things worry me the most. a lot of people are very concerned about creating a lifestyle for themself that seems to be kind of silly when you actually think about it. Grass...what's the point, anyways? Siding on the house, I guess that's a nice touch, but you spent the wad of dough on the house, and put yourself in a position to have to worry about how it looks (if that matters to you, of course).
Although, with regards to the article, there are many things that are simply useless, but as long as enough people pay the dough to have them, then they will be made. And in response to the guy who said that indoor plumbing was kind of pointless when it came out, try living somewhere cold and travel out to the stinky outhouse in the winter, oh wait, you can't do that, as everyone immediately grasped onto great utility of indoor plumbing.