And then I realize the subject is about the high-res versions (yeah he should have kept his mouth shut if he wanted something for free which others pay for). Just like ripping off movies, music, and other media he should realize that hard work where people expect to get paid shouldn't be downloaded for free.
Its not insulting in the least bit to have the attitude of "its on the Internet, its machima, it should be free." We aren't talking about a corporation here. I don't feel guilty reading 10 web comics in the morning even though they put their time into it. If you want to create something for the Internet then don't expect to become rich off of it. Red and Blue was driven from word of mouth from the free versions.
I understand they work hard and want some money for their series so they offer a high-res version for paying customers. But I shouldn't feel the least bit guilty about wanting a bit torrent for the free version. If they don't want a free version then they should only sell high res versions and dvd (although the success of the show would be horrible because word of mouth on forums completely drive their high-res sales).
You are right and I never said that subscription won't work. I said that 90%+ games out there it won't work for. You can name EQ, FF XI, SWG, Doom3, Half-Life2, and a few others where subscriptions would work. Then I could name a thousand titles where people would play it for 1 month or less and forget it.
"(me)The writer's opinion is just as valuable as any other forum opinion.
(you)What postmodern horse manure. An opinion doesn't have value just because it exists. I can have an opinion that the world is flat but it's not as valuable as the truth. An opinion's value is determined by the quality of its content."
Listen up anon, I said the article was like a forum post. I said it wasn't newsworthy because it was opinion with no facts to back it up. I didn't say opinion had a high value, I said the article's opinion = forum opinion. Next time read the quote before you combat it.
is just as valuable as any other forum opinion. Why this guy was posted on/. is beyond me (slow weekend). He says that it is guarenteed we will have to pay for play, no rentals, no used games, and no physical media. That is his GUESS people.
After reading 1/2 of the article I realized it was as useful as reading someone's opinion on any message board. He drew up educated guesses and that was it.
Now of course every industry wants a subscription like service for their product. Yearly upgrades and that sort of thing can equal huge profits. But it doesn't work in a lot of industries. Everyone thought MMO games would be HUGE after EQ. I mean EQ is a cash cow. But besides SWG which survives on the star wars name alone, no other MMO game has come close to EQ in the US. For every success I see a dozen failed attempts.
So how this author thinks I will pay $10 a month for an average game is beyond me. Doom3 and HL2 could squeeze a few months out of me but the second I stop so do my payments. And 99% of games out there AREN'T Doom3 or HL2 quality. The subscription based model would actually hurt most companies because they would rather take the $50 and run. Besides Doom3 and Half-Life2 I can't think of one game I would pay for longer than 1 month. Planetside is a great example of a FPS game trying to charge per month and failing horribly (with a decent product). And they had a reason for the subscription, server costs, while other games will not.
This author doesn't have anything to back up his opinion so its just as valid as mine (do I get the front page if I buy a domain name and post this?). The most obvious conclusion in the next 5 years of gaming is 90%+ games still being bought, rented, etc and maybe 10% have a subscription for things like Xbox2 Live and MMO type games. I rent almost every console game instead of buying it because I know I won't play it longer than a week. So if they try to force a $50 + $10 a month tag down my throat it would fail horribly and they know it.
So all I need to do is move to India and I can have my own maids, cooks, and other servants? I'm getting my plane ticket right now!:)
Seriously, it would be interesting to see average income in both areas because it would shed a lot of light. Not your friend's pay or some millionaire in Silicon valley but the county's average income.
"A review of a service pack? What's next, A screenshot of RTPatch? I can see it now...
"Here we see the patch process at 37% complete. Note that the progress bar is roughly one third filled in with a nice blue color."
Please!!"
I laughed at this post until I RTFA. The article was nice and informative. It let me know a pop-up blocker was on the way (I was SO going to get Earthlink:), it let me know Outlook will be better in keeping viruses in check, and finally a firewall that will help keep viruses and spyware from running on my computer.
I suggest any Win XP user to read it as it will tell what you can configure when this comes out.
I was thinking the same thing and looked through the comments so I wouldn't be redundent. If I was getting spammed once a week by a politician with no opt-out list why the hell would I vote for him? This doesn't seem like an advantage at all.
Predicting an economy in the year 2015? That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. I don't even know what kind of software, video games, or equipment I will be using in 2010. Why would they assume to know how many programmers we will need here or around the world in 2015. I refuse to RTFA with an intro like that:)
I come here because its a great site for geek news, I've hung out with Cowboy Neal, and this site came from the senior class of Hope college when I was a freshman. So I have some ties to the site and see it as an intellectual breeding ground that has been turned into a one minded way of thinking ever since Bush took office. I don't like it and I complain when I see it at its worst.
"If the topic is "Saddam's capture and its effects on Iraq", then I don't see how any of this other stuff isn't involved. When you view the world as a series of specific, unconnected issues, and try to deal with them one at a time, you just end up screwing things up worse and worse as time goes on."
My point was that every topic, either positive or negative, stretches out into a dozen negatives on/. when it comes to anything involving Bush.
GDP goes up 8.2%: Discussion is lost jobs, tax breaks for the rich, manufacturing is down the toilet
Saddam is caught: Discussion is Ashcroft, oil, osama, WMD, resistance
The far right and far left will take any topic and put such a huge spin on it so if its negative or positive it doesn't matter. They will always bring up problems and blame the other side./. should be a place of intelligent discussion. Not a vote by party lines. And that is what I see here. A bunch of liberal bush bashing no matter how good the news (Saddam was caught, lets give the troops a pat on the back and let the Iraqis be happy for a day).
See my point? Yours was valid because you are right, this is a series of events, but that doesn't make my point invalid about the site.
"I'm sorry, but how, exactly, is the ICC off topic? The ICC would be a perfect vehicle for Hussein's trial given the need to avoid a US-based "victor's justice," and if that's not pertinent to his capture, I don't know what is."
You got me there actually. (perhaps the negative tone like the, "Ha you can't use the ICC because you rejected it!" got me) So I figured I would grab 2 more for you in exchange for that one.
The US is only there for the Oil And Ashcroft: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=89225&cid=7718 67
I am sure there are many more out there that are modded as "insightful" that are pure anti-Bush administration posts. This should be positive topic for the Iraqis and US troops. But when you lean too far to the right or left you take any mention of a topic and spin it toward your way. That is what my original point is. If we caught Osama I am sure people on slashdot would find dozens of things to post negatively on that wonderful day. See my point?/. should be a place for meaningful discussion. Not a vote down the party lines without thinking type of place.
"Such as it is, the lies that have been told and the closed door deals that have enriched the rich have made it very hard for many of us who actually think (and thus we are labeled liberals) to accept that this is anything that great. And if you don't even have the grey matter to understand that, well then I can't help you at all."
a.) I don't see why you have to be so far right or so far left. All that means to me is that you will put a spin on any bit of news depending if it is good for your political party or not.
b.) I saw this as a great day for Iraqis and US troops. Shouldn't discussion be on the good news for them and how this will impact their country? Instead it brings topics like Guantanomo Bay and Bush's election 3 years ago. Why bother having a discussion with people like that? Fanatics aren't known for reason in a discussion.
"Perhaps it should be "international crowd"? Not everyone in the world sees these things in the light of American conservatism and liberalism."
Maybe not an international crowd but an Anti-US or Anti-Bush crowd. If we captured Saddam and the tone is negative here then why should I expect no different if Osama was captured. Both people killed thousands in their own way.
I get marked as flamebait because I see a wonderful day for Iraqis and US troops and point out the posts are negative. I see every leader, France and Germany included, happy to see he is put away. This isn't the international community at all.
"Don't get us wrong, I don't think a single slashdotter is pissed right now that Saddam Hussein won't have another chance at governing Iraq. It's just that we're pissed that while this is a good thing, there's a lot of others things that should have been done first."
I understand, just let the troops, Iraqis, and Bush have one day in the sun.:)
I grew up in Lansing, MI. Grandfather was a GM employee all his life (think Michael Moore).
I live in FL now where newspapers here did they own recount of the election and found similar close results.
I've been to NY once in my life and never been to the northeast since. But I felt it was needed to point out how biased the/. community is compared to other forums right now.
You know slashdot has a liberal crowd when a story that is clearly positive for the coalition and Bush has responses that mention:
Guatonoma Bay and illegal arrests Bush's election being illegal Osama Bin Laden is still free US opposition to the International Court No WMD has been found If the war was about human rights then why not attack China
My professor told me the air in the 70s was much worse in the US than today and its thanks to the clean air act.
I'm sure the ozone will be healed a lot (after we fuck it up again)
Forests regrow and the earth cools down and heats up. I think as long as we stay away from the nuclear winter we can fix anything we *want* to. The question is when will public demand swing in the US for things (electric cars, ozone protection, more parks)
"I've known them all, and honor students, giften musicians and (in Canada) Air/Army/Sea Cadets or Boy/Girl scouts get just as drunk and have just as much sex as every other teenager. "
I just came out of college and so I do understand what you are saying. But I believe keeping kids away from drugs, sex, and alcohol before college can help a LOT. My friends who did drugs either at the age of 15 or younger are all messed up. The ones that drink before 18 are many many times more likely to become alcoholic. Also, getting a horny kid not to get a teenage girl pregnant is always a huge plus. At least in college they should be smart enough to use a condom (or pull out).
So they may still commit the same acts but if you wait until you are in college I think the acts will be more experimental and not become habits. Such as having a cigeratte while drunk in college compared to smoking in high school. One is more likely to die of lung cancer.
The RIAA represents big record labels such as Bertelsmann's BMG Entertainment, Vivendi's Universal Music and Time Warner's Warner Music. Time-Warner is the parent company of CNN.com.
So one of the companies underneath the RIAA is reporting something they find favorable. Its not surprising. I'm sure if some 10 person company came out with a survey that people loved the RIAA's new tactics they would publish that too.
Journalistic integrity is not always held to a high standard. This comes up when they can pass the credibility to another company. This time its the "research company NPD Group" or whoever the fuck they are.
First Poster: See! Apple goes out of its way to destroy competition too.
Second Poster: Microsoft has 95% mkt share while Apple has less than 5%. This is an okay practice.
But I think we all know if Apple had the 95% mkt share it would be just as bad or worse considering that they control a lot more of their computer system than Microsoft does. All this does is once again prove that corporations will do just about anything to grab an extra dollar and one of their main tactics is to destroy competition.
Everyone here agrees that Itunes is the best music service. A lot of people would say the Ipod is the best device. I think we are seeing what happens when Apple gets any kind of power. If Itunes becomes the next Napster will suddenly music downloads go to $1.50, then $2, and then only the Ipod will work with Itunes due to "software upgrades." Whatever the outcome I think everyone agrees that competition rocks and that any destruction of competition hurts the consumer.
Actually Gillette did this a long time ago. Their reasoning is that by giving a cheap razor away you can know how much each shave will cost (about) by the cost of the blades. People seemed to enjoy that more than buying an expensive razor with cheap blades.
Is the price for the 3-4 blades on a Mach3 not unlike the price for Lexmark's ink refills? Both have crazy margins.
Slashdot Mirror
And then I realize the subject is about the high-res versions (yeah he should have kept his mouth shut if he wanted something for free which others pay for). Just like ripping off movies, music, and other media he should realize that hard work where people expect to get paid shouldn't be downloaded for free.
Its not insulting in the least bit to have the attitude of "its on the Internet, its machima, it should be free." We aren't talking about a corporation here. I don't feel guilty reading 10 web comics in the morning even though they put their time into it. If you want to create something for the Internet then don't expect to become rich off of it. Red and Blue was driven from word of mouth from the free versions.
I understand they work hard and want some money for their series so they offer a high-res version for paying customers. But I shouldn't feel the least bit guilty about wanting a bit torrent for the free version. If they don't want a free version then they should only sell high res versions and dvd (although the success of the show would be horrible because word of mouth on forums completely drive their high-res sales).
Np, everyone has done it :)
You are right and I never said that subscription won't work. I said that 90%+ games out there it won't work for. You can name EQ, FF XI, SWG, Doom3, Half-Life2, and a few others where subscriptions would work. Then I could name a thousand titles where people would play it for 1 month or less and forget it.
"(me)The writer's opinion is just as valuable as any other forum opinion.
(you)What postmodern horse manure. An opinion doesn't have value just because it exists. I can have an opinion that the world is flat but it's not as valuable as the truth. An opinion's value is determined by the quality of its content."
Listen up anon, I said the article was like a forum post. I said it wasn't newsworthy because it was opinion with no facts to back it up. I didn't say opinion had a high value, I said the article's opinion = forum opinion. Next time read the quote before you combat it.
is just as valuable as any other forum opinion. Why this guy was posted on /. is beyond me (slow weekend). He says that it is guarenteed we will have to pay for play, no rentals, no used games, and no physical media. That is his GUESS people.
After reading 1/2 of the article I realized it was as useful as reading someone's opinion on any message board. He drew up educated guesses and that was it.
Now of course every industry wants a subscription like service for their product. Yearly upgrades and that sort of thing can equal huge profits. But it doesn't work in a lot of industries. Everyone thought MMO games would be HUGE after EQ. I mean EQ is a cash cow. But besides SWG which survives on the star wars name alone, no other MMO game has come close to EQ in the US. For every success I see a dozen failed attempts.
So how this author thinks I will pay $10 a month for an average game is beyond me. Doom3 and HL2 could squeeze a few months out of me but the second I stop so do my payments. And 99% of games out there AREN'T Doom3 or HL2 quality. The subscription based model would actually hurt most companies because they would rather take the $50 and run. Besides Doom3 and Half-Life2 I can't think of one game I would pay for longer than 1 month. Planetside is a great example of a FPS game trying to charge per month and failing horribly (with a decent product). And they had a reason for the subscription, server costs, while other games will not.
This author doesn't have anything to back up his opinion so its just as valid as mine (do I get the front page if I buy a domain name and post this?). The most obvious conclusion in the next 5 years of gaming is 90%+ games still being bought, rented, etc and maybe 10% have a subscription for things like Xbox2 Live and MMO type games. I rent almost every console game instead of buying it because I know I won't play it longer than a week. So if they try to force a $50 + $10 a month tag down my throat it would fail horribly and they know it.
So all I need to do is move to India and I can have my own maids, cooks, and other servants? I'm getting my plane ticket right now! :)
Seriously, it would be interesting to see average income in both areas because it would shed a lot of light. Not your friend's pay or some millionaire in Silicon valley but the county's average income.
"A review of a service pack? What's next, A screenshot of RTPatch? I can see it now...
:), it let me know Outlook will be better in keeping viruses in check, and finally a firewall that will help keep viruses and spyware from running on my computer.
"Here we see the patch process at 37% complete. Note that the progress bar is roughly one third filled in with a nice blue color."
Please!!"
I laughed at this post until I RTFA.
The article was nice and informative. It let me know a pop-up blocker was on the way (I was SO going to get Earthlink
I suggest any Win XP user to read it as it will tell what you can configure when this comes out.
I was thinking the same thing and looked through the comments so I wouldn't be redundent. If I was getting spammed once a week by a politician with no opt-out list why the hell would I vote for him? This doesn't seem like an advantage at all.
Even right wing people think Ann Coulter is nuts. She is f'd up in the head and this comes from a republican yuppie.
Anyone with a head knows voting down the party lines is retarded anyhow. And that my friend is called politics.
Predicting an economy in the year 2015? That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. I don't even know what kind of software, video games, or equipment I will be using in 2010. Why would they assume to know how many programmers we will need here or around the world in 2015. I refuse to RTFA with an intro like that :)
"why do you seek for more "liberal views""
I come here because its a great site for geek news, I've hung out with Cowboy Neal, and this site came from the senior class of Hope college when I was a freshman. So I have some ties to the site and see it as an intellectual breeding ground that has been turned into a one minded way of thinking ever since Bush took office. I don't like it and I complain when I see it at its worst.
"There - it's still a 'liberal' view, but not one offtopic reference.
:)
Happy now?"
Extremely
"If the topic is "Saddam's capture and its effects on Iraq", then I don't see how any of this other stuff isn't involved. When you view the world as a series of specific, unconnected issues, and try to deal with them one at a time, you just end up screwing things up worse and worse as time goes on."
/. when it comes to anything involving Bush.
/. should be a place of intelligent discussion. Not a vote by party lines. And that is what I see here. A bunch of liberal bush bashing no matter how good the news (Saddam was caught, lets give the troops a pat on the back and let the Iraqis be happy for a day).
My point was that every topic, either positive or negative, stretches out into a dozen negatives on
GDP goes up 8.2%: Discussion is lost jobs, tax breaks for the rich, manufacturing is down the toilet
Saddam is caught: Discussion is Ashcroft, oil, osama, WMD, resistance
The far right and far left will take any topic and put such a huge spin on it so if its negative or positive it doesn't matter. They will always bring up problems and blame the other side.
See my point? Yours was valid because you are right, this is a series of events, but that doesn't make my point invalid about the site.
"I'm sorry, but how, exactly, is the ICC off topic? The ICC would be a perfect vehicle for Hussein's trial given the need to avoid a US-based "victor's justice," and if that's not pertinent to his capture, I don't know what is."
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/. should be a place for meaningful discussion. Not a vote down the party lines without thinking type of place.
You got me there actually. (perhaps the negative tone like the, "Ha you can't use the ICC because you rejected it!" got me) So I figured I would grab 2 more for you in exchange for that one.
The US is only there for the Oil
And Ashcroft: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=89225&cid=771
I am sure there are many more out there that are modded as "insightful" that are pure anti-Bush administration posts. This should be positive topic for the Iraqis and US troops. But when you lean too far to the right or left you take any mention of a topic and spin it toward your way. That is what my original point is. If we caught Osama I am sure people on slashdot would find dozens of things to post negatively on that wonderful day. See my point?
"Such as it is, the lies that have been told and the closed door deals that have enriched the rich have made it very hard for many of us who actually think (and thus we are labeled liberals) to accept that this is anything that great. And if you don't even have the grey matter to understand that, well then I can't help you at all."
a.) I don't see why you have to be so far right or so far left. All that means to me is that you will put a spin on any bit of news depending if it is good for your political party or not.
b.) I saw this as a great day for Iraqis and US troops. Shouldn't discussion be on the good news for them and how this will impact their country? Instead it brings topics like Guantanomo Bay and Bush's election 3 years ago. Why bother having a discussion with people like that? Fanatics aren't known for reason in a discussion.
"Perhaps it should be "international crowd"? Not everyone in the world sees these things in the light of American conservatism and liberalism."
Maybe not an international crowd but an Anti-US or Anti-Bush crowd. If we captured Saddam and the tone is negative here then why should I expect no different if Osama was captured. Both people killed thousands in their own way.
I get marked as flamebait because I see a wonderful day for Iraqis and US troops and point out the posts are negative. I see every leader, France and Germany included, happy to see he is put away. This isn't the international community at all.
"Don't get us wrong, I don't think a single slashdotter is pissed right now that Saddam Hussein won't have another chance at governing Iraq. It's just that we're pissed that while this is a good thing, there's a lot of others things that should have been done first."
:)
I understand, just let the troops, Iraqis, and Bush have one day in the sun.
I grew up in Lansing, MI. Grandfather was a GM employee all his life (think Michael Moore).
/. community is compared to other forums right now.
I live in FL now where newspapers here did they own recount of the election and found similar close results.
I've been to NY once in my life and never been to the northeast since. But I felt it was needed to point out how biased the
You know slashdot has a liberal crowd when a story that is clearly positive for the coalition and Bush has responses that mention:
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Guatonoma Bay and illegal arrests
Bush's election being illegal
Osama Bin Laden is still free
US opposition to the International Court
No WMD has been found
If the war was about human rights then why not attack China
Some links:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=89225
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?
sid=89225&
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=89225&ci
Ever thought about actually dicussing the topic? Would it be too crazy to actually talk about the capture and its effects on Iraq?
Doesn't the earth heal itself over time?
My professor told me the air in the 70s was much worse in the US than today and its thanks to the clean air act.
I'm sure the ozone will be healed a lot (after we fuck it up again)
Forests regrow and the earth cools down and heats up. I think as long as we stay away from the nuclear winter we can fix anything we *want* to. The question is when will public demand swing in the US for things (electric cars, ozone protection, more parks)
"I've known them all, and honor students, giften musicians and (in Canada) Air/Army/Sea Cadets or Boy/Girl scouts get just as drunk and have just as much sex as every other teenager. "
I just came out of college and so I do understand what you are saying. But I believe keeping kids away from drugs, sex, and alcohol before college can help a LOT. My friends who did drugs either at the age of 15 or younger are all messed up. The ones that drink before 18 are many many times more likely to become alcoholic. Also, getting a horny kid not to get a teenage girl pregnant is always a huge plus. At least in college they should be smart enough to use a condom (or pull out).
So they may still commit the same acts but if you wait until you are in college I think the acts will be more experimental and not become habits. Such as having a cigeratte while drunk in college compared to smoking in high school. One is more likely to die of lung cancer.
The RIAA represents big record labels such as Bertelsmann's BMG Entertainment, Vivendi's Universal Music and Time Warner's Warner Music. Time-Warner is the parent company of CNN.com.
So one of the companies underneath the RIAA is reporting something they find favorable. Its not surprising. I'm sure if some 10 person company came out with a survey that people loved the RIAA's new tactics they would publish that too.
Journalistic integrity is not always held to a high standard. This comes up when they can pass the credibility to another company. This time its the "research company NPD Group" or whoever the fuck they are.
First Poster: See! Apple goes out of its way to destroy competition too.
Second Poster: Microsoft has 95% mkt share while Apple has less than 5%. This is an okay practice.
But I think we all know if Apple had the 95% mkt share it would be just as bad or worse considering that they control a lot more of their computer system than Microsoft does. All this does is once again prove that corporations will do just about anything to grab an extra dollar and one of their main tactics is to destroy competition.
Everyone here agrees that Itunes is the best music service. A lot of people would say the Ipod is the best device. I think we are seeing what happens when Apple gets any kind of power. If Itunes becomes the next Napster will suddenly music downloads go to $1.50, then $2, and then only the Ipod will work with Itunes due to "software upgrades." Whatever the outcome I think everyone agrees that competition rocks and that any destruction of competition hurts the consumer.
Actually Gillette did this a long time ago. Their reasoning is that by giving a cheap razor away you can know how much each shave will cost (about) by the cost of the blades. People seemed to enjoy that more than buying an expensive razor with cheap blades.
Is the price for the 3-4 blades on a Mach3 not unlike the price for Lexmark's ink refills? Both have crazy margins.