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Congress Loves Spam -- If It's From Congress

Makarand writes "According to this NY Times article (registration required), while Congressional members were busy passing the U.S. anti-spam law that will go into effect on January 1, they were also busy sending unsolicited e-mail to their constituents. This activity was aimed at growing the subscriber base receiving their political messages because these email lists are not subject to the normal 90-day blackout period before an election where members are forbidden to use taxpayer-supported Congressional mass communications. Consumer advocacy groups say that this policy may be unfair to the challengers because this loophole could be used by elected officials to communicate with voters right up to Election Day."

148 comments

  1. Hah... by mOoZik · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, and who thought they were stupid enought to put themselves equally under the law? They are politician's, for god's sake.

    1. Re:Hah... by mOoZik · · Score: 1

      ...before someone points out the obvious, it's supposed to be politicians and not politician's. Ah, the curse of sleeplessness.

    2. Re:Hah... by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Let the bastards spam me. That's basically an almost 100% guarantee to make me vote against them

    3. Re:Hah... by Metasquares · · Score: 1

      But what about everyone else they're spamming? Hopefully most people are smart enough to ignore these messages, just like any other spam, but that won't stop at least a small percentage from taking them seriously.

    4. Re:Hah... by CaptBubba · · Score: 1
      I feel the same way.

      Just remember to take action if you get one of these spam messages. Print the spam, write and sign a letter explaining that the representitive in question lost your votes and donations because of it, and send it to their office. The campaign managers know that for every letter written and sent in there are hundreds, possibly thousands, of people who feel exactly the same way but were too busy/lazy to write a letter about it. If they get enough letters they will stop sending spam.

      I really don't care about the subscription list exception, but they way they hope to get people onto those lists is disgusting. Have a big rally or something where you have cards for people to fill in their email address, but don't spam. I just know there will be people who will get spammed by represenitives for another state or district.

    5. Re:Hah... by BuckaBooBob · · Score: 1

      Guess they have never thought of "what are people going to say when we are blacklisted by every ISP and our practices will keep us banned?"

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    6. Re:Hah... by cicho · · Score: 1

      Problem is, the voting system provides no way of voting "against" someone. You can only vote "for". If all the candidates spam, all you can do is not vote, which sends them no message at all.

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    7. Re:Hah... by nitrocloud · · Score: 1

      Hell, I'd reverse my vote if I got spam from a congressperson!

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  2. Full TEXT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    WASHINGTON, Dec. 27 -- Even as Congress was unanimously approving a law aimed at reducing the flow of junk e-mail, members were sending out hundreds of thousands of unsolicited messages to constituents.

    The spasm of activity is aimed at attracting voluntary subscribers to the lawmakers' e-mail lists, which would not be subject to House rules that normally impose a 90-day blackout before an election for taxpayer-supported Congressional mass communications.

    In September, the House Administration Committee voted, 5 to 3, along party lines to allow e-mail messages to the subscribers to be sent in the blackout period, but maintained the ban on free postal mail from House members to voters. The policy change affected only House rules and was not part of the junk e-mail legislation.

    At least 40 House members have bought or agreed to buy e-mail address lists from at least four vendors. The lists, which each have tens of thousands of addresses, are generally created by a process called e-mail appending, taking voter registration files from a member's district. The next step is to cross match them with large databases of names and e-mail addresses assembled by consumer data companies like Equifax, which has a database of more than 75 million e-mail addresses. E-mail addresses can usually be found for 10 percent to 20 percent of the voter file.

    Many members of Congress praise the new policy for allowing cheaper and more effective communications with constituents. But consumer advocacy groups say the policy may unfairly give an advantage to incumbents over challengers because it allows elected officials to use government resources to communicate with voters right up to Election Day. In addition, the consumer advocates say, sending bulk e-mail messages to constituents who have not agreed to receive it is essentially electronic junk mail, or spam.

    The ability to communicate with constituents at taxpayer expense, the franking privilege, is one of the most cherished and controversial perks of office. For 30 years, advocacy groups have lobbied and sued Congress to try to close loopholes and stop abuses of the privilege.

    Critics say the policy has created a significant new loophole.

    "The core value is that you don't want to leverage technology to increase incumbent advantage," said Celia Viggo Wexler, research director at Common Cause, a group that has sued to limit franking. "What is troubling is that essentially the House is saying, `O.K., you can communicate with the constituency up to an election, and we're not really going to check what you are saying with them.' The point is without that kind of oversight, it's ripe for abuse."

    Before the change, e-mail was subject to the same treatment as regular postal mail. Correspondence sent to more than 500 constituents had to obtain approval from the franking commission and was subject to a 90-day blackout before an election. But individual responses to citizens were not subject to the restrictions.

    Congressional officials said the old policy was too cumbersome.

    "Anything over 500 e-mails you had to submit that to the franking commission," said Brian Walsh, the Republican spokesman for the House Administration Committee. "There was going to be a delay of a couple of days to get approved. We didn't feel that was consistent with the technology that existed."

    The new policy says that lawmakers can freely send messages to voters who have agreed to subscribe to their e-mail lists. To build such lists, House members are sending huge amounts of bulk e-mail messages to their districts in the hope that some voters will subscribe.

    The unsolicited messages go out from Congressional offices as often as twice a month. The unsolicited messages, which have to stop 90 days before an election or a primary, are still subject to approval from the franking commission.

    "They are regulating commercial spam, and at the same time they are using the franking privilege to send unsolicited bulk communications which a

    1. Re:Full TEXT by w9wi · · Score: 1

      "The spasm of activity is aimed at attracting voluntary subscribers to the lawmakers' e-mail lists, "

      Voluntary, my *ss...

      After writing my representatives via email a few months back, one of my Senators (Lamar Alexander (TN)) saw fit to add me to his mailing list.

      I guess if you choose to express your opinion on the issues, you're opting in to be spammed.

    2. Re:Full TEXT by satch89450 · · Score: 1
      After writing my representatives via email a few months back, one of my Senators (Lamar Alexander (TN)) saw fit to add me to his mailing list. I guess if you choose to express your opinion on the issues, you're opting in to be spammed.

      What you did was present the beginning of a "business relationship" with your Congressman. If my understanding of the definition of UBE is accurate (I make no such claim) anything he sends you until you say "Stop" is not UBE/Spam.

      You started it, you have to end it.

    3. Re:Full TEXT by B.D.Mills · · Score: 1

      Include a disclaimer in your e-mail signature for use in all e-mails that is worded like the following:

      The sending of this e-mail to you must not be interpreted by the recipient as the sender giving permission to add the sender's e-mail address to any list, database or other similar collection of e-mail addresses unless the body of the e-mail expressly grants this permission. The sending of this e-mail must not be interpreted by the recipient as the establishment of a business relationship with the sender unless the body of the e-mail expressly states otherwise.

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  3. Can't see how that makes sense by arvindn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Spammers operate on the principle that even though 99% (or thereabouts) of recipients recognize and hate spam, the remaining 1% of fools are enough to make their business model viable. However, would this work for political spam? I mean, if more than 50% of recipients react negatively to it, its bad for the sender, isn't it? (IANAA, so correct me if I'm missing something :-)

    1. Re:Can't see how that makes sense by qvek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unless you can win the election with less than 50% of the vote which happens often :)

      Also 99% of people may SAY they hate spam. However I would think that a political email (especially one not asking for funds at all) is probably likely to be read and/or make a positive influence on a higher number of people than something with a subject line like "XXX FREE TEEN PICS", etc.

    2. Re:Can't see how that makes sense by KjetilK · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I'd argue that 100% of recipients hate spam, but that there are enough biznissmen who think that spamming is profitable and can't be bothered about the fact that they're hated, to make spammers very wealthy. Spammers are making money not by selling the products that they spam for, but by selling spamming itself.

      But of course, I could be wrong, it's just that every time I have actually gotten in contact with those who bought spam services, they had actually been ripped off by the spammer, and they sold nothing.

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    3. Re:Can't see how that makes sense by deadmongrel · · Score: 1

      "I'd argue that 100% of recipients hate spam"
      Not Really! There are people who buy from these businesses which use spam. Someone pays the spammers and businesses wouldn't be interested if they don't make money using spam. There are people in this world who think their jonny is too small and pay for bull crap. All I am saying is Spam, How much ever you hate it, makes money because some asshole uses it to buy stuff.

    4. Re:Can't see how that makes sense by martin-boundary · · Score: 1
      In any given election, there are those who will definitely vote for one candidate, those who will definitely vote for another, and so on. Then there are the so-called undecided, which make up only a small fraction of the population. Sometimes, this fraction is too small to matter, other times the election is so close that literally a handful of undecided voters make all the difference.

      Of course, it doesn't make sense to spam those who vote against you, and it doesn't make sense to spam those who vote for you. But the undecideds, I guess there's a small chance they'll bite.

    5. Re:Can't see how that makes sense by darien · · Score: 2, Funny

      Of course, it doesn't make sense to spam those who vote against you...

      Ah, but wait until e-Voting really gets going. "If you want to be removed from this mailing list, click here."

    6. Re:Can't see how that makes sense by martin-boundary · · Score: 1

      Heh. Imagine Slashdot2004, instead of the [diebold.com] tag next to a link, it'll be [D] or [R].

    7. Re:Can't see how that makes sense by shaitand · · Score: 1

      The great thing about advertising is that there is no viable and accurate way to measure return. Companies spend millions of dollars every year on advertising but they generally don't know whether or not it worked.

      The best they can do is poll random samples and ask people if they've seen the ad. And that doesn't work very well.

    8. Re:Can't see how that makes sense by fastidious+edward · · Score: 1

      The way spam works is to have a unique ID in the email correspondiing to a unique remote image and link target should you decide to click.

      The remote image lets the company know you have read the email (unless you turn off remote image loading, but IIRC this is not available in OE and I'd wager spam respondants are not 'power users' who would know how to do this).

      The unique link allows a commission to be paid if a product is bought.

      The two together allow a pretty accurate measure of the direct effectiveness of spam, though it still doesn't take account of side effects (i.e., saturation affecting demand for a product)

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    9. Re:Can't see how that makes sense by Metaldsa · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the same thing and looked through the comments so I wouldn't be redundent. If I was getting spammed once a week by a politician with no opt-out list why the hell would I vote for him? This doesn't seem like an advantage at all.

    10. Re:Can't see how that makes sense by schon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      businesses wouldn't be interested if they don't make money using spam

      That's known as 'specious reasoning'. It makes sense as long as you don't actually think about it.

      obsimpsons quote:

      Lisa: "By that logic, I could say that this rock keeps tigers away."

      Homer: "Really, how does it work?"

      Lisa: "It doesn't. It's just a rock! But you don't see any tigers around, do you?"

      Homer: "I would like to buy your rock!"


      Here's what's really happening:

      Spammer finds moron, says "I can advertise your product for a fraction of the cost of legit^h^h^h^h^hconventional marketing companies."

      Moron thinks "hey, this stuff must really work, after all, if it didn't work, they'd be out of business." And says "OK, here's my money."

      NOBODY buys any of Moron's stuff. Moron is out $X. Spammer finds new moron, says "I can advertise your product for a fraction of the cost of legit^h^h^h^h^hconventional marketing companies."

      Moron thinks "hey, this stuff must really work, after all, if it didn't work, they'd be out of business." and says "OK, here's my money."

      Lather, rinse, repeat.

      It is NOT necessary for spam to be effective for it to continue - all that's required is for someone to think it's effective.

    11. Re:Can't see how that makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spammer finds moron, says "I can advertise your product for a fraction of the cost of legit^h^h^h^h^hconventional marketing companies."

      Or similarly summed up with the sentence, "Hi, my name is Dave Rhodes."

  4. Effectiveness of SPAM? by OffTheLip · · Score: 3, Interesting

    SPAM is irritating but how effective is it really? Aside from the occasional well publicised ripoff who reads or responds to it? The US Congress must know something I don't.

    1. Re:Effectiveness of SPAM? by Slowping · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think it's a calculating move by politicians. With the SPAM bill they reduce the noise surrounding their own spam. I know that my grandparents didn't mind SPAM when they first got on the internet, when it was only ~1-5 per day. They stopped reading SPAM when it exploded to 100's per day.

      If the SPAM bill helps cut that down to, say, 20 per day, politicians' own included, I think elderly people like my grandparents will start reading SPAM again. With the growing importance of the elderly voting population, I think SPAM can be quite important for these politicians.

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    2. Re:Effectiveness of SPAM? by shaitand · · Score: 2, Funny

      Let's put it this way, MILLIONS have already enlarged their penises and every one of them is now making their penis functional (since it stopped working along with the enlargment) again thanks to viagra.

    3. Re:Effectiveness of SPAM? by WhitehatSystems.com · · Score: 1

      Who reads or responds to it? obviously people do respond to it. unfortunately there are too many stupid people who do, otherwise the spammers would not be sending so many to my spamtraps...

  5. What's that line again ? by Space+cowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Oh yeah, I remember: "Do unto others as you would have them do to you"...

    Reminds me indirectly of the Euro-MP who complained that people were contacting her with their views. They ought to have just sat back and been told what they wanted....

    Disgusted. Is it any wonder we regard politicians as full of (sh)it ?

    Simon.

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  6. loopholes by 56ker · · Score: 1

    Just wait till they find out and they'll put an "except for use by political parties" clause. ;)

  7. but they can't send any *spam* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    because everyone knows there's no beef in government ;-)

  8. Nothing New by Bloodmoon1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This shouldn't really come as to big of a suprise. Political acts have been exempted from major laws before. From the DoNotCall.gov FAQs:

    The National Do Not Call Registry does not limit calls by political organizations, charities or telephone surveyors.

    Political spam isn't to much different from unsolicited political phone calls. And both would surely be of intrest to the politicians, as they seem to have exempted them from the laws. I find political phone calls equally, if not more annoying, then people asking me if I want to save $.13 a year on my long distance bills.

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    1. Re:Nothing New by mattjb0010 · · Score: 1

      Political spam isn't top much different from unsolicited political phone calls.

      and we know how to deal with unsolicited phone calls! :)

    2. Re:Nothing New by WCMI92 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I do as well. I see it this way...

      Politicians shouldn't be trying to influence me. I should be influencing THEM. But in the "nanny state" we are becoming, more and more people, unfortunately, have the misguided idea that it's the government's (and hence, the politician's) job to TAKE CARE OF US...

      Let them run ads and put up signs at election time, as that's stuff I can CHOOSE to eyeball or listen to. But they don't need to be calling me or spamming me. THAT, to me is a government invasion of my privacy.

      Typical of a group of politicians who have been in office, and therefore power, too long...

      Write laws that have no prohibitions on THEMSELVES. This was one of the big things the Democrats were doing in the 40 years they ran Congress. And changing things to that Congress had to live under the laws it passed was one of Newt's biggest planks in the "Contract for America".

      (Congress used to be exempt from, among other laws: The 1964 Civil Rights Act, the Social Security Act, and the OSHA Act.)

      Leave them in power 10 years and they act the same way...

      I'm beginning to think the best strategy is to always vote against incumbents. No matter what the party of their particular beliefs.

      Note too the implications that the new (illegal, but upheld anyway) CFR "Amendment" to the Constitution can prohibit what can be said via e-mail 90 days before an election...

      So, is it soon to be illegal for me to say anything negative about Robert K. Byrd 90 days before an election on MY OWN website?

      Scary stuff. Don't say I didn't warn you people either. CFR and the misguided Supreme Court just allowed a wedge to be inserted into the first amendment's protection of our right to criticize the government. Sledgehammers are being readied to drive that wedge further...

      When Congress exempts ITSELF from a law it expects us peasants to live under, it's safe to say it's a bad law they are passing.

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  9. Sign Me Up! by qw(name) · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I guess when the first email arrives from my representative or senator I will start using their email address when signing up for free offers and sweepstakes. That should give them lots of input from their constituents.

    Following their example: it's ok as long as nobody says it's not.

  10. I can see,The penis party, the Nigerian Party... by enronman · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think spammers are going to start a bunch of lil grassroots political parties. They will band together and form the penis party, and sell penis creams, pills, and lord knows what else to "support" the party.
    The only real solution is to have terrorists start using spam to fund their operations... only with that boogieman out of the closet will congress do anything about spam.

  11. bah, easy to deal with... by tuxette · · Score: 5, Funny
    You just tell them "well, I was going to vote for your candidate, but since you called to pestered me, I'll vote for the opponent instead." *click*

    Political spam can be dealt with in a similar manner. "Promise" a vote and then on the day of the election write "Sucka. Did you really think I'd vote for a spammer?"

    At the same time, sign these politicians up on mailing lists etc. that guarantee lots and lots of spam. And forward their addresses to those kind Nigerians who have more than enough money to help finance political campaigns.

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    1. Re:bah, easy to deal with... by Bloodmoon1 · · Score: 1

      Personally, I've always prefered to sign them up for free hardcore gay porn, but I think I like your idea better. I knew someone would find a use for those wealthy Nigerian benefactor's of deposed kings someday. I love it. You just got a new fan.

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    2. Re:bah, easy to deal with... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Local ISP's can EASILY filter these out to a quarantine bin, then inform the intended recipitant that they got spam or a virus, and have to go through all sorts of hoops to read it, and when they do, with an online web background supports the opposition, or presents unflattering factual information. Anything with the word vote in it to get delayed, and, seeing that it is SPAM, resell or give this information to the opponent for next time.

      The Local ISP can decide what email will be selectively blocked, and blacklist accordingly.

    3. Re:bah, easy to deal with... by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      "You just tell them "well, I was going to vote for your candidate, but since you called to pestered me, I'll vote for the opponent instead." *click*"

      And then the candidates set up telemarketing campaigns that claim to be from their opponent's camp. In Louisiana's gubenatorial run-off last month, Republican Bobby Jindal all but accused Democrat (and governor-elect) Mary Blanco of doing just that.

    4. Re:bah, easy to deal with... by ubrayj02 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Funny, I work for an elected official - and filtering the email is part of my job.

      Your switcheroo-vote trick, I can assure you, won't work unless you do it en-masse. If you are not a realt threat to a politician's job, then expect to be ignored with extreme prejudice (barring some sort of dire need, press related significance, or obvious wrong that needs righting).

      Regarding your idea to sign your elected official up on mailing list, etc.: it's been done. Oh god has it been done. The boss's public email address has been posted online for years, and we get everything - EVERYTHING - that you could imagine. THe funny thing is, none of it affects anyone else in the office except me. No one sees any of that spam, and it doesn't hurt our office in any real way. However, all that spam DOES hurt our constituency.

      You see, knucklehead, when we get three or four legitimate constituent emails a day for help, with legislative ideas, or honest & valid complaints about some branch of our sprawling gov't - we can't get to them! It takes me an hour every day of sitting in front of a computer screen deleting spam - and the result is that is an hour that constituents DON'T GET SERVED.

      All that spam does is take away from other constituents! You are screwing your neighbors out of the service they are entitled to. You subvert the ability an elected official has to serve the people he or she represents. In the long run, the little things that the OFfice of So-and-So does for people in a community don't make a huge political impact. But when you need a new medi-Care card, or the DMV is hassling you, or a city is using an ordinance improperly, or a million other things - think about what it takes for you to get help from people sworn to do so. Don't piss in the well you might be drinking from someday.

    5. Re:bah, easy to deal with... by welshsocialist · · Score: 1
      First off, I believe that spamming a politician because they did it to you is counter-productive. It all goes back to that golden rule thingy. I do have a question for the previous poster. Why don't campaigns and politicians use an opt-out mechanism for those who don't want the phone calls, the junk snail mail, and the rest of it?

      I call spam based on a small litmus test:
      1. Did I ask for the message?
      2. Is there a way to opt-out of future messages?

      If the answers to the above are NO, then it's SPAM. If the SPAM is sent repeatedly, that would make me question my vote for that candidate. I'm sorry to be so harsh, but I have a low tolerance for SPAM. I suspect many other slashdotters do too.
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    6. Re:bah, easy to deal with... by edb · · Score: 1

      You see, knucklehead, when we get three or four legitimate constituent emails a day for help, with legislative ideas, or honest & valid complaints about some branch of our sprawling gov't - we can't get to them! It takes me an hour every day of sitting in front of a computer screen deleting spam - and the result is that is an hour that constituents DON'T GET SERVED.

      Oh, so spam in your mailbox is evil and in conflict with the Democratic Process because it masks real email messages just by sheer volume, but your spam is OK in our mailboxes?

      I guess I'm not a politician, because that argument just doesn't make sense to me...

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  12. Forged emails + politics=Fun by enronman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is the old story about the guy who takes a stack of bumper stickers for the opposing canidate and puts one on every cars bumper... With political spam it becomes SO much easier and fun. With to a bit of tech savy and good writting a great many fake messages could be sent out. I dare any politican to use this hardcore, because the backlash that could be unleashed against them would be frightfull once people learn that you really CAN get eail from your congresman!

    1. Re:Forged emails + politics=Fun by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1
      There is the old story about the guy who takes a stack of bumper stickers for the opposing canidate and puts one on every cars bumper... With political spam it becomes SO much easier and fun.
      OT but still amusing... Years ago, the PvdA party (one of the opposition parties in Holland) made a bumper sticker that read "OUT with the CDA, IN with the PvdA". (The CDA was the incumbent at the time).

      The stickers proved wildly popular with CDA voters, who pasted them on trash cans, wastebaskets and dumpsters all over town.
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  13. Gegoraphical Location by lxt · · Score: 1

    Surely the biggest problem polititians have is, unlike normal spam, the audience they are trying to reach is located in a very specific area. Mass emailing simply wouldn't work - although there may on most spam be a 0.1% response rate, this would be reduced even further to virtually nil when location is factored in. Even "spam lists" would have some degree of innacuracy when it comes to location of the recipitant. Maybe I'm missing something...

  14. what i can't understand is.. by zr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ..since when geeks (please no offence, myself included) look to the government to legislate our way out of spam?! whats wrong with you people? shame on you, M$ is proving to be geekier than you!..

  15. This is great, hopefully the start of a trend by Xendarq · · Score: 1

    Next up:
    o SCO contributes to the Linux kernel
    o the RIAA releases RIAA/Kazaa for file swapping

    By the logic of Congress, neither action would invalidate their respective lawsuits.

    1. Re:This is great, hopefully the start of a trend by RevRa · · Score: 1

      Next up:
      o SCO contributes to the Linux kernel


      They already did, now they're trying to take it back. :-)

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  16. Could simple email filters win out? by darnok · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Are politicians required to send this email from specific email addresses e.g. your_faithful_candidate@congress.wankers.gov? It seems like they should be (i.e. in order to prove their spam is actually "from a political organization", it should at least come from a traceable *and documented* source), in which case a few simple email filters could make the problem essentially disappear.

    Thankfully I'm not a US citizen, so my exposure to this sort of rubbish is, oh, probably 2-3 years away...

    1. Re:Could simple email filters win out? by lxs · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Thankfully I'm not a US citizen, so my exposure to this sort of rubbish is, oh, probably 2-3 years away...

      Don't count on it. I don't live in the US, I've never been to the US. But I still get many spams telling me that I can swindle the US tax system. I think the whole world will suffer the spam fallout of local US elections.

  17. Commercial by Threni · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Spam is generally defined as being `unsolicited commercial email`. How spam from the political wing of the armed forces can be described as commercial is anyone's guess.

    1. Re:Commercial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd describe it as 'boo-yakka'.

    2. Re:Commercial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His it cos I is black?

    3. Re:Commercial by StenD · · Score: 1

      It's 'unsolicited bulk email'. Spam is spam, irregardless of the content.

    4. Re:Commercial by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 1

      They *are* trying to sell something - in this case themselves (like prostitution, except it doesn't pay as well).

      A better definition of spam is UBE not UCE - unsolicited *bulk* email. My own personal definition is "If I didn't *explicitly* ask for it, it's spam".

    5. Re:Commercial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And regardless of your use of a nonexistent word.

    6. Re:Commercial by WCMI92 · · Score: 1

      " Spam is generally defined as being `unsolicited commercial email`. How spam from the political wing of the armed forces can be described as commercial is anyone's guess."

      Consider that the government is the largest business in the country. It takes in more money, and spends more money than any other. It is one of, if not the largest advertisers. It tries to sell services. It tries to get you to let it control more of your life every day.

      The only difference between the government and a corporation is that the government has guns. LOTS of guns. And the authority to back up it's EULA with deadly force ;)

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    7. Re:Commercial by McDutchie · · Score: 2, Informative
      Spam is generally defined as being `unsolicited commercial email`
      Er, no. A definition that is at least as common, and makes a lot more sense, is "unsolicited bulk email".
    8. Re:Commercial by geekoid · · Score: 1

      So if a relative sends you an email you didn't ask for they're spammers?

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    9. Re:Commercial by JuggleGeek · · Score: 1

      If the relative sent millions of emails to people who didn't ask for it, yes, it is spam. What part of "bulk" do you not understand?

  18. In other news.. The Penis Patch Party launches by wackybrit · · Score: 1

    This exemption to political organizations could result in similar issues as to the protection that religions get. L Ron Hubbard created Scientology, as he was getting too much flak from the scientific community on his ideas about Dianetics (tm). Laws offered protection to religions, and so Scientology was born. Numerous other 'questionable' activities have been 'religionized' or 'charitized' because of this. So, what next? Could we have penis patch and viagra companies becoming political organizations?

    "Presidental candidate Ivor Bigcock believes in bigger penises for all. If you contribute just $9.99 to our campaign, we'll send you a free penis patch!"

    Yes, I can actually see this happening!

  19. Re:I can see,The penis party, the Nigerian Party.. by mattjb0010 · · Score: 1

    They will band together and form the penis party

    Finally, a party for the small people!

  20. It is the Members responsibility to inform by Chatmag · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's the Congressional Members duty to keep their constituents informed. In a representative government, our elected officials must promote two way communication.

    The Congress Online Project Nine Benefits of a good web site, number 3: "Targeted communication with key audiences. Web sites can help build ongoing relationships with key audiences by providing targeted features and information. Timely, informative sections of a Web site devoted to a single issue, for example, can attract people who care about the issue and keep them coming back for more. And issue-based e-mail updates provide the opportunity to regularly communicate with people who subscribe."

    In order to fulfill the requirements of the Congressional "Franking" priviledge, Members would have to clearly identify emails sent to their constituents, with proper headers, From address, etc.

    Also, in order to provide documentation that they are reaching their constituents, they would most likely be required to maintain an email mailing list.

    I highly doubt that the Members would use the shotgun email tactic of spammers.

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    1. Re:It is the Members responsibility to inform by WCMI92 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If they want to keep us informed... PUT UP A WEBSITE. That way, if I want to go there, I can.

      There is nothing in the Constitution that says that we, the people, are obligated to listen to ANYONE in our government. The reverse, however is true though.

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    2. Re:It is the Members responsibility to inform by Alsee · · Score: 1

      I highly doubt that the Members would use the shotgun email tactic of spammers.

      The only difference is that they try to aim the shotgun blast at everyone in their state / district:

      "cross match them with large databases of names and e-mail addresses assembled by consumer data companies like Equifax, which has a database of more than 75 million e-mail addresses. E-mail addresses can usually be found for 10 percent to 20 percent of the voter file."

      Any UNSOLICITED BULK E-MAIL is SPAM.

      The Congress Online Project Nine Benefits of a good web site

      Great! I'm all for good websites. However SPAM is not a website!

      Members would have to clearly identify emails sent to their constituents, with proper headers, From address

      It is still UNSOLICITED BULK E-MAIL when it has a proper headers. It is still UNSOLICITED BULK E-MAIL when it has a correct From address. It is still SPAM.

      to provide documentation that they are reaching their constituents, they would most likely be required to maintain an email mailing list

      Yippee, they keep a list of the million people they SPAMmed.

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    3. Re:It is the Members responsibility to inform by silentbozo · · Score: 1

      It's the Congressional Members duty to keep their constituents informed. In a representative government, our elected officials must promote two way communication.

      Hmmm. So if I call up my congresscritter, I should be able to talk directly to him, instead of some wet-behind-the-ears intern looking at a cheat-sheet full of the current "positions" that the honorable congressman is taking on issues, right?

      It'd be great if it were true. However, I smell something more along the lines of mass advertise until it becomes fashionable to pretend you're against it (ie, telemarketing.) What really galls me is that under the franking privilege, they're using OUR taxpayer money to spam US, the taxpayers.

      Members would have to clearly identify emails sent to their constituents, with proper headers, From address, etc.

      So what? Lots of commercial companies do this already - with addresses that nobody listens or responds to (and "legitimately" so, because of bounced mail.) What's to keep my congresscritter from just feeding everything into a LISP construct that matches keywords to the current position paper, spits out a "I am deeply aware of this issue, and also concerned about X - thank you for taking the time to share your views" form letter, in the same way that lame-ass "AI" tech support works?

  21. They asked for it by davmoo · · Score: 3, Funny

    Any politician that spams me will most definitely *not* get my vote. I'll vote for Fidel Castro for President before I'll vote for a scumbag spammer.

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    1. Re:They asked for it by batlike · · Score: 1

      That should be easy: just check the only radio button on the balot and you're done.

    2. Re:They asked for it by Kris_J · · Score: 1
      Any politician that spams me will most definitely *not* get my vote.
      And of course you never get spam with a faked From: line...
  22. Overreacting by filtersweep · · Score: 1

    Frankly (no pun), I really do not receive that much unsolicited junk mail from politicians as it is, so why should I fear that they will even begin to compete with the real spammers that send 100+ emails to my public email address?

    People have largely accepted their junk mailing privileges as it is. I am a bit more worried about irresponsible emails from so-called political organizations, with the possibility that like soft money, they will be playing by an entirely different set of rules and have little accountability.

    There are enough internet rumors- just wait until the political spin doctors step into the game... but actual candidates pose little concern.

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    1. Re:Overreacting by Alsee · · Score: 2, Interesting

      First of all they shouldn't be able commit abuses through e-mail that they are forbidden from commiting through normal mail. Elected officials are not permitted to abuse their office to run a private polical campaign, they are not permitted to stick the tax-payers with the bill for running that campaign.

      Secondly, because it is still SPAM.

      They are each sending millions of unsolicited junk E-mails with the costs almost entirely dumped on the receiving end. The actual dollar costs are split 50/50 between the sender and receiver, but the dollor costs are negligable. The real cost is human. Lets assume that only takes one second on average to spot and delete each spam. Each batch of 1,000,000 spams costs 1,000,000 people one second. The total cost is still 1,000,000 seconds. That is cost is SEVEN WEEKS of full-time work for one person.

      Then multiply that by the fact that they are each sending several million spams in each batch. Multiply that by the number of state and federal elected positions. Multiply that by the number of candidates. Multiply that by the number special intrest groups. Multiply that by every year, assuming that they are nice enough to only spam us once per year.

      The E-mail system is flawed in that anyone can set up an automated system generating spam and for merely a few dollars they can burn up more than an entire human life-span dealing with the output. A human waking life is around 1.5 billion seconds. Every 1.5 billion spams generated costs one human lifetime. The dollar cost to generate those 1.5 billion spams is far too low a price to pay to burn up a lifetime from other people.

      The problem with spam is that the lionshare of the real cost is dumped on the people receiving it. Unsolicited bulk e-mail is still unsolicited bulk e-mail when it is sent by a politician or political activist. It is still spam.

      P.S.
      Don't think the new "CAN-SPAM" law is going to fix the spam problem. The Direct Marketing Association considers the law a victory for the spam business. Check this C-NET sory "
      It's not called 'Can' Spam for nothing.

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    2. Re:Overreacting by Elvisisdead · · Score: 1

      Um, it's not millions. It may be 10s of thousands, but let's not overstate the case. Every congressman is in posession of their own mail server that they can use to do this. The only benefit of the whole deal is that few people actually vote. Even less will vote (or vote for the non-spam candidate) if they get pissed at the spam.

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  23. Re:Commercial - Read CANSPAM by Crypto+Gnome · · Score: 1

    in the recently passed CANSPAM bill, SPAM is explicitly defined as Commercial Email.

    So this Political SPAM is perfectly legal.

    Not only that, but said bill also legislates opt-out - which means any and every JimBOB spammer has the legal right to SPAM you once (assuming he follows a handfull of basic rules).

    So now all spammers need to do is recycle Business Entities like they do ISP accounts, and it's all Perfectly Legal and there's nothing you can do about it.

    All the SPAM you can stomach, and then some, for ever and ever.

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  24. Surprising? by blankmange · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And why should any of us be surprised by this? The politicians want to regulate it as long as it doesn't apply to them. I think that would cover quite a few things, not just spam.

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  25. TERM LIMITS! by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    These guys need to go... ALL of them. This country really needs to take back control of itself. Watch some Cspan folks, watch these guys debate in the house, watch the senate, watch all of the other covered events... watch these guys like a hawk. They're all slick, they all play each other for fools. Enough cnn, fox news, msnbc(does anyone watch it anyways?) and hell even the bbc is looking more like cnn these days. They have this game called politics down to a science called bullshit. You linux users know this as FUD :)

    1. Re:TERM LIMITS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are already term limits. It's called voting for the other guy.

  26. Doesn't work by Inode+Jones · · Score: 1

    During the municipal election in Ottawa, I got a call from Alex Cullen, a candidate for council. Well, I got an ADAD; couldn't even tell him off (maybe I could have if I waited until the end of the spiel, but...) OK, I was going to vote for Blatherwick anyway.

    The day before election day, I got an ADAD call from Blatherwick. Oh well, just gotta hold my nose and vote.

  27. Oh my god! by Rogerborg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You mean that we might see more than 98% of incumbents re-elected?

    A 5-1 funding advantage is what does that. Spamming voters can't exactly make it worse.

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    1. Re:Oh my god! by Chainsaw+Messiah · · Score: 0

      Yeap, nothing's going to change while we have professional politicians running things. My current voting strategy is to skip the Presidential vote and for the rest vote against every incumbent of any party.

    2. Re:Oh my god! by WCMI92 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "You mean that we might see more than 98% of incumbents re-elected [commoncause.org]?

      A 5-1 funding advantage is what does that. Spamming voters can't exactly make it worse."

      Don't forget that so-called "campaign finance reform" now makes it illegal for you and me to pool our money to criticize an incumbent 30-90 days before an election in any meaningful way that might be seen or heard by other voters...

      That law should have been called the "Incumbency Protection Illegal Constitutional Convention of 2002".

      Limiting contributions to candidates is one thing. Implying that *I* am part of the corruption problem if *I* and others choose to excercise free speech to criticize a politician is offensive, insulting, and flat out WRONG.

      I'm still stunned the Supreme Court upheld it. Expect more and more laws from Congress abridging the freedom of speech, now that the wedge has been driven.

      I'm waiting for the CFR "website blackout" law that will be next. We will have to black out our poltiical commentary, blogs, message boards, etc, Google will have to disable search results that hit critique of a candidate, etc...

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    3. Re:Oh my god! by dacetone · · Score: 1

      I hate to quote the crazy guy with the sign, but "Politicians and Diapers need to be changed for the same reason." Saw that one on my way down to see the family, and for once, agreed with the sign.

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  28. Public record? by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If the email is sent using government, rtaher than private or party equipment, doe sthe list become a record that can be obtained using FOIA (Freedom of Information Act?) If so, Congress could very well help spammers harvest email addresses for at lost less than buying an email database that has been matched to records.

    If you can get the list, how long before someone spoofs a Congressman's addresse and sends his or her constiuents an email that upsets them and forces the rep to deal with the backlash?

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    1. Re:Public record? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "how long before someone spoofs a Congressman's addresse and sends his or her constiuents an email that upsets them and forces the rep to deal with the backlash?"

      couldn't be soon enough.

    2. Re:Public record? by mangastudent · · Score: 1
      If the email is sent using government, rather than private or party equipment, does the list become a record that can be obtained using FOIA (Freedom of Information Act?)

      Could be --- but it won't matter for the Congress. Due to the principle of separation of powers, the Congress pretty much has to be exempt from FOIA or anything else enforced by the Executive branch. Can anyone confirm this?

      (That's the good explanation for why they are "above the law". They have to be to help prevent abuses by the Executive branch. The powers of the "purse" and ultimately impeachment back this up, but this tends to stop things before it gets ugly --- an imperfect but stable system.)

  29. fuck the vote buyers, use rbl's to block em by Indy1 · · Score: 1

    I am sure the second some vote buying piece of shit starts to spam, the major blacklists will list them. Nothing like a spews listing to bitch slap common sense into a spammer and his isp.

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    1. Re:fuck the vote buyers, use rbl's to block em by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if they pass a law to make it illegal to block .gov email sites?

      As for your sig I bet Mr. Jedi would be on his knees begging for mercy and coughing up $3000+ dollars in a settlement if they came knocking at your door with a lawsuit.

    2. Re:fuck the vote buyers, use rbl's to block em by Indy1 · · Score: 1

      thats why many of the major blacklists such as spews are overseas, the vote buyers have ZERO control over them. As far as being sued, my server, my rules. I have EVERY right to accept or deny traffic coming into my servers. The day someone can be sued for that is the day we'll have a communist government in power.

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  30. Full TEXT is not fair use. by jerryasher · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Please respect copyright by not posting the full text of articles. /. readers can register or not read the Times. It should be up to the Times to decide. /. readers that have chosen not to register have chosen not to read.

    If you support GPL, then you need to support the copyright it is based on.

    1. Re:Full TEXT is not fair use. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NY Times should respect my right not to get spammed to death.

    2. Re:Full TEXT is not fair use. by B.D.Mills · · Score: 1

      You are incorrect. I have chosen not to register because I object to the illegitimate gathering of my personal information for their commercial gain. I don't know to what use they will put my personal details, either now or in the future, nor I suspect do you. Until I do know, I will follow Fats Waller's advice - "Don't give your right name!"

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      The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. - Edmund Burke
    3. Re:Full TEXT is not fair use. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Lie. The NYT thinks I'm a 70 year old woman CEO in Afghanistan, making less than 20000 per year.

    4. Re:Full TEXT is not fair use. by JuggleGeek · · Score: 1
      NY Times should respect my right not to get spammed to death.

      I signed up with NYTimes several years ago. I set up an email address just for them. I receive their "Todays Headlines" emails every day, just like I receive similar messages from SlashDot. They've never spammed me. I've never received anything to the email address I gave them except for the mail I asked for. I've never heard of them sending spam.

      In other words, the AC who claims they spam is lying.

  31. Really not as bad as it sounds... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Informative
    From the article:
    The lists, which each have tens of thousands of addresses, are generally created by a process called e-mail appending, taking voter registration files from a member's district. The next step is to cross match them with large databases of names and e-mail addresses assembled by consumer data companies like Equifax, which has a database of more than 75 million e-mail addresses. E-mail addresses can usually be found for 10 percent to 20 percent of the voter file.
    ...
    The new policy says that lawmakers can freely send messages to voters who have agreed to subscribe to their e-mail lists. To build such lists, House members are sending huge amounts of bulk e-mail messages to their districts in the hope that some voters will subscribe.
    ...
    The unsolicited messages go out from Congressional offices as often as twice a month. The unsolicited messages, which have to stop 90 days before an election or a primary, are still subject to approval from the franking commission.


    So...

    - politicians are targetting their constituents only.
    - the unsolicited messages are still subject to the 90-day rule, and only contain an invitation to subscribe to a mailing list.
    - politicians are free to send whatever they please to people on the mailing list.

    That all sounds fine to me... Congress isn't really placing themselves above the law, and the fact that they can spam those on their subscriber mailing list at the taxpayer's expense, doesn't bother me that much. In truth, they should just get rid of the entire 'franking privilege', not just this minor part of it.

    But when all's said and done... if you spam me, I don't vote for you. It is that simple :)
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    1. Re:Really not as bad as it sounds... by Alsee · · Score: 2, Insightful

      fact that they can spam those on their subscriber mailing list

      You seem to have forgotten step where they grab Equifax's 75 million address SPAM LIST, trim it down to target their own state, then send a massive flood of UNSOLICITED BULK E-MAIL asking people to sign up for the mailing list. That is SPAM.

      Congress isn't really placing themselves above the law

      I guess that's true in that they put the law so far down that every spammer can be above the law. The law they passed actually legalized much formerly illegal spam. The Direct Marketing Association conciders the CAN-SPAM law to be a victory! Just check C-NET's story: It's not called 'Can' Spam for nothing.

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    2. Re:Really not as bad as it sounds... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Ok... you get both people spamming you, you don't vote?

      Perhaps instead of taking the quite, and safe unthinking route, you start a dialog with your elected official?

      Naw, that woud reqiure effort, and you might actually effect things. Then what would you complain about?

      You could also try to understand why politicians are exempt to things like this, but then again, that would take away from your busy day of complaining.

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  32. Time to get the 4th estate on this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they had actually been ripped off by the spammer, and they sold nothing.

    It is time to start suing the people who are advertising via spam AND getting the 4th estate to cover such lawsuits.

    Let the 'people who are advertising' know how LOUSY the return on spam is...by costing them $$$.

  33. Congress by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

    Congress is full of hooey. They have been for over two hundred years. Why this is newsworthy I don't know, unless it's just because it involves spammers, people most of us respect almost as much as we respect our Congressional representatives. Oh wait ... these spammers are Congresspeople. Now what are we going to do?

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  34. DNS RBL? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, will house.gov be added to the spamhaus lists? :)

  35. Re:I can see,The penis party, the Nigerian Party.. by WCMI92 · · Score: 0, Troll

    " I think spammers are going to start a bunch of lil grassroots political parties. They will band together and form the penis party, and sell penis creams, pills, and lord knows what else to "support" the party.
    The only real solution is to have terrorists start using spam to fund their operations... only with that boogieman out of the closet will congress do anything about spam"

    Don't be so sure that terrorists aren't already into spam... Or at least into profiting off the fradulent "products" that 99% of spam seems to hawk...

    Terrorist groups are the new mafia in the world. The underworld tends to fund itself by the illegal. IMHO, ppammers like Ralsky would gladly sell spam services to Al Queida for a fast buck to hawk fake penis pills supplied from some Palestinian placebo factory, that is, if his observed morals are consistent...

    I consider spam ITSELF to be a form of terrorism. It has made my e-mail services virtually useless. Spam is now up to 90% of all the e-mail I receive. That is up from 60% only 6 months ago. As far as I'm concerned, rounding them up and holding them in Cuba without trial and without access to lawyers (while blasting inane commercials at them 24/7) is too good for them.

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  36. Full text IS fair use. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you support the GPL, you should support the ideals behind it, which are that the concept of copyright is FLAWED, and should be removed.

    Stop thinking of information as property. It isn't.

    The

    1. Re:Full text IS fair use. by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Mod parent AC up. It is 10x more insightful than the GPL whiner he's responding to.

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    2. Re:Full text IS fair use. by cicho · · Score: 1

      So you think GPL-licensed works are not copyrighted? Have you ever *seen* GPL? Hint: your parent AC has about as much clue about GPL as Darl "GPL is anti-American" McBride.

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    3. Re:Full text IS fair use. by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Unlike you, I have read the GPL and a lot of other writings by RMS. The GPL is a hack of copyright law, that should be clear to anyone who thinks about the name RMS choose for it - copyleft. The only reason the GPL even exists is because copyright is so wrong in the first place. If there were no copyright, there would be no need for the copyleft -- it would be the default. As it stands today, without the GPL, Free code would be easily abused through the copyright system - so the GPL must exist in that context. But that's all it is, a hack of the current status quo. Abolish copyright and the need for the GPL will disappear with it.

      To argue that "copyright protects the GPL so copyright is GOOD" is to entirely miss the point - kind of in the way that "Open Source" is "Free Software" with the politics neutered.

      YOU may not agree that the political agenda advanced by the GPL is good/right/correct/etc but to deny that the agenda even is exists is to totally miss the point.

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    4. Re:Full text IS fair use. by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      If you support the GPL, you should support the ideals behind it, which are that the concept of copyright is FLAWED, and should be removed.

      Stop thinking of information as property. It isn't.

      You know, it makes it a lot harder to accuse the other side (or the media) of making straw man arguments when people keep shooting off their mouths about how copyright law is wrong and shouldn't be obeyed or respected. Are you advocating the inclusion of an entire copyrighted article into Slashdot post 7821166 as a form of civil disobedience in protest of copyright law? If so, then you should say so. If you're just wanting to read copyrighted stuff here for free, you aren't doing us any favors by publicly encouraging people to break the law.

    5. Re:Full text IS fair use. by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      He's responding to the inaccurate representation of the GPL that the original whiner made when he said, "If you support GPL, then you need to support the copyright it is based on." It is a common misrepresentation here on slashdot at least and deserves to be rebutted more often than it is.

      As for making it hard for you to accuse "the other side" (as if the situation were even close to binary) of straw men, tough titties. It is the extremes that define the spectrum. If there weren't people advocating the outright abolishment of copyright for whatever reason, all it would do is make today's more "moderate" positions the extreme ones.

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    6. Re:Full text IS fair use. by edhall · · Score: 1
      If there were no copyright, there would be no need for the copyleft -- it would be the default.

      You're being silly. Without copyright the "default" would be the public domain, which would mean that anyone could modify sourcecode, base a product on it, and keep their modifications secret. They wouldn't even have to give credit. RMS's original motivation for the GPL, to prevent vendors from hoarding the sourcecode used in their products, would be utterly unfulfilled without a mechanism to compel the revelation of that code.

      The GPL limits copying, just like any other copyright-based instrument - it's not a "hack" of copyright. Perhaps the fact that the GPL's terms are contrary to those usually applied by copyright holders blinds you to this. The limits it puts on copying -- roughly, if you make copies of GPL'd software you must agree to make modifications available under the GPL's terms -- fall squarely into the realm of copyright. This is the right of authors or assignees to limit copying to those circumstances they desire (which often is no copying at all, subject to "fair use" limits, but could be nearly any set of limitations or lack thereof).

      I'm not denying that copyright holders do harm with over-restrictive terms, or that the copyright law itself should be overhauled or legal extensions to copyright like the DCMA should be eliminated. But copyright itself, as the essential source of the legal rights of authors, isn't in itself a bad thing. Abolish it only if you have found a better way to secure those rights (or believe that authors shouldn't have them).

      -Ed
    7. Re:Full text IS fair use. by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1
      Without copyright the "default" would be the public domain, which would mean that anyone could modify sourcecode, base a product on it, and keep their modifications secret.

      True. But without copyright, they couldn't sell that product on a pay-per-copy basis, so market forces would strongly discourage this. (Indeed, this trend can already be percieved in the move towards free / open source software.)

      If you've given up the idea of pay-per-copy, moving towards programmers being paid for custom solutions, and people are allowed to hack your binaries anyway, what motive do you have to keep your source secret? Would you hire a plumber who insists on putting a locked cover around all your pipes?

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    8. Re:Full text IS fair use. by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Thanks, that is exactly the response I had in mind.

      Just as the marketplace rarely tolerates a car with the hooded welded shut, without copyright I (and from my reading of his writings, RMS) expect that the market would insist on source code by default.

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      When information is power, privacy is freedom.
  37. "For the people"? by Quantum-Sci · · Score: 1

    It's the Congressional Members duty to keep their constituents informed. In a representative government, our elected officials must promote two way communication.

    We are supposed to be having a representational government? Virtually every Congressional action taken in the past three years has been counter-publius.

    In this day, the public library system would -never- have been created. (Socialistic, not-for-profit, communist idea of) sharing information with the undeserving unwashed. Hey, who's supposed to -pay- for a library system?!

    And look how costs escalate over five years, with "absolutely nothing" to show for it! If someone thinks they deserve to have certain information, they'll hunt it down and buy it --or steal it-- like normal people do in Thunderdome.

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  38. Will Congress make the SPEWS list? by satch89450 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As a SysAdmin I've been studying the DNS-based blocking lists in general and SPEWS in particular. Seeing how they say they operate, how long do you think it will take for the US Government to "win" an escalated listing in the SPEWS database?

    "I'm sorry, Congressman, but the reason all your mail is being bounced is that our server IP address is listed in SPEWS. What is SPEWS? 'Spam Prevention Early Warning System.' Because we have been unable to answer complaints to abuse@house.net to their satisfaction, they have put together a 'crimes file' showing that The House of Representatives is a spam-lovin enterprise, have listed our entire netblock, and we've run out contractors to superserve our mail servers -- every time we hire one, it ends up listed in SPEWS, too."

    Will the blocking lists work as they are supposed to, or are they going to take the smart path and NOT piss off the one organization who makes the "Laws of the Land?"? I can see it now: it becomes illegal for any operator of a mail server with more than 100 commercial clients to use any DNS- or domain-based blocking list.

    Not exactly the death of the Internet, but possibly a case of felony if you do, damned if you don't.

  39. No offence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're on slashdot, you gotta wear that pocket protector with pride!

  40. Re:I can see,The penis party, the Nigerian Party.. by mcpkaaos · · Score: 1

    The penis party

    Otherwise known as a Slashdot Meetup.

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  41. They want your support... by Kjella · · Score: 1

    ...in order to get to the money. The politicians wants votes, so they get to keep their jobs as representatives ($$$) and maybe some campaign contributions to boot ($$$). What the armed forces want, I dunno. But I don't really care if it is commercial or not, as long as it's bulk.

    I think the definition of SPAM should be "unsolicitated bulk email" as well as UCE. Whatever your message is, you don't have the right to mass dump it on a bunch of strangers and expect them to carry the cost. It'd be like throwing flyers on the street, so that "anyone can pick it up, and if you don't like it, just ignore it", except that someone has to carry that cost in the end. It's online littering.

    Kjella

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  42. Re:I can see,The penis party, the Nigerian Party.. by jcenters · · Score: 1

    How is the parent a troll? For the love of (insert name of preferred deity here), everything this guy has said in this thread makes sense and should probably be modded up.

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  43. They are buying smart lists... by MadAnthony02 · · Score: 1

    The NYT article says that what they are doing is taking voter "consumer information" (ie credit bureau) companies like Equifax that have email info. SInce chances are both Equifax and your voter registartion info contain your address, they can taget it pretty effectively. This isn't spam in the sense that it's not targeted, just in the sense that it's not wanted.

  44. opted-in by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    As a constituent, one is opted-in to one's representative's messages by default. A civic duty, it is debatable only whether it should even be possible to opt out. It's bad enough not to read an email from your representative, though that is your right. But if you opt out of the direct notification, and opt to get your government info through only, say, Fox News, perhaps you should also give up your 911 phone service, and maybe even your subscription to the police. The fire department will have to keep coming, to protect your subscribed neighbors, but they might not have to rescue you or your pets. We need *more* and *better* government communication, not more constituent alienation.

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    1. Re:opted-in by ShadowSystems · · Score: 1

      "As a constituent, one is opted-in to one's representative's messages by default."

      Why? I don't give a flying cockroach dingleberry whom you are, if I don't feel like listening to you, there's no law that says I have to.
      Period.
      End of argument.
      "Your right to your fist ends at my nose." sums it up perfectly.
      You have every right to say what-ever you want, and I will defend with my life your right to say it, but no matter WHAT you have to say, I do NOT have to listen to you spew it.

      "A civic duty, it is debatable only whether it should even be possible to opt out. "

      Sorry, wrong answer.
      There's the newspaper - get your message published in it, and I'll read it when I have the time and inclination to do so.
      Otherwise, I'm subsidizing your message, and if I don't care about your message, I sure as hell won't give you my money in order to vocalize it.
      Even if I *DID* vote for you (and I do vote, thanks), it's MY choice to listen to you or ignore you like the carbunckle on the arse of Life that politicians are.

      "It's bad enough not to read an email from your representative, though that is your right. But if you opt out of the direct notification, and opt to get your government info through only, say, Fox News, perhaps you should also give up your 911 phone service, and maybe even your subscription to the police."

      Nice try, but maybe you should ease up off the crack pipe.
      I get my news online. MSNBC, CNN, API, Reuters, NYT, The Register, The Independant (UK), The San Jose Mercury, SiliconValley.com, GrokLaw, PioneerPress, & Wired News Daily, among others.
      I don't need, and rarely use, television or local newspapers, because I preferr to get as balanced an input as possible.
      I get a better, more accurate, & timely picture of "my local government" as well as "my government over-all" through global news sources, than by relying upon local services only.
      So why the HELL would I want to limit myself to listening to the tripe the congress critter is spewing in my email, when I can filter through a half dozen global news sources and get an infinitely clearer picture of the crap they've been up to? Actions speak louder than words, so if thier words don't jive with thier actions, what conclusion can you come to?
      My Emergency Services (Fire & Police) have nothing to do with whether I choose to listen to some politician spouting off at the mouth.
      My taxes are willingly paid to the police & fire to do thier job, and they are willing to do thier job as paid for.
      Try saying the same of politicians without breaking out into convulsions of laughter...

      "The fire department will have to keep coming, to protect your subscribed neighbors, but they might not have to rescue you or your pets."

      They'd better not. If my house is on fire and they refuse to assist, there'd better be a DAMN good reason, or the local courts will have various firefighting personnel up against a wall with a pair of super-heated vice-grips to thier painfull parts....
      My taxes pay them to do thier job.
      THEY seem to be able to do it, so why can't our politicians?
      Oh yeah, it's because the fire & police are relatively honest, while you'd be hard-pressed to find ANYONE in Office that could pass a lie detector test without bribing the test-giver...

      "We need *more* and *better* government communication, not more constituent alienation."

      And for this you advocate spam?
      I agree -they SHOULD communicate more- but NOT if it means adding to my daily overload of spam filtering...

    2. Re:opted-in by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Do you complain when your representative doesn't represent you? You're paying for their work, even when it's as shoddy as we're growing accustomed to. Politicians are different from police and firemen - their job is to talk, and to talk with you. When you ignore them, others like the media move into that power vacuum, totally unaccountable to you. Of course you're not limited to the messages coming from your representatives, you're much better off triangulating on multiple media sources, especially the Internet with its fast, easy search power. Global news is more like entertainment when you don't even know how the local school board is spending your money, training your neighbors who are kids in school. Politics is not like garbage hauling - leaving it exclusively to the specialists keeps you out of the loop, and therefore expendable. Get involved even enough to read their publications, and give some feedback, and the system will start to revolve around *you*, too. Ignore it, and you're perpetuating the system of neglect that hurts all of us, especially when we're outnumbered by lobbyists and media corporations. Our choice is to pay with a little bit of time reading their messages, or paying a lot more on the back end when they rip us off, sell us out, to those who are in the loop.

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    3. Re:opted-in by Steve+B · · Score: 1
      As a constituent, one is opted-in to one's representative's messages by default.

      Bill Clinton called. He wants you to return his dictionary.

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    4. Re:opted-in by Steve+B · · Score: 1
      Politicians are different from police and firemen - their job is to talk, and to talk with you.

      Well, then, if they can't even convince people to listen, they need to give up politics and resign themselves to lives of honest toil.

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    5. Re:opted-in by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      The 90s called. They want to remind you that "opt-in" is a neologism with roots in "option", implying the option to "opt out".

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  45. Loophole in thinking. by SharpFang · · Score: 1

    Spam is not the way.

    Typical outcome of sending 1.000.000 spam messages is 100 happy (though dumb) customers, 10.000 really pissed off people and mostly indifferent but rather hostile rest. The profit is no loss from those 10.000 and profit from those 100.

    But if you send out spam to your voters, divided fifty-fifty for and against, the outcome is 50 votes gained (the other 50 would vote for you anyway) and 5.000 votes lost (people who decide they won't vote on a party that uses spam)

    So... feel free to send. Just remember: Winners don't use spam!

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  46. pheer! by XO · · Score: 1

    Consumer advocacy groups say that this policy may be unfair to the challengers because this loophole could be used by elected officials to communicate with voters right up to Election Day.


    Phear that. Imagine elected officials actually COMMUNICATING with voters. Doesn't happen.
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  47. Great tool for spammers by jridley · · Score: 1

    Most people know not to try to use the "opt out" link in normal spam. But I bet most of them would go ahead and try to use it if they got a political spam, assuming either they'd honor it or ignore it.

    So if I were a spammer (uck), I'd spend some time formatting a very official looking letter from some national committee with a nice "opt-out" link that would go straight into my "known good" database.

    It'd be a dirt-cheap database-vetting move, and probably pretty effective.

    Hell, it might even make it past a lot of spam filters; bayesians at least are probably so tuned to BS base64 and HTML-confused stuff that a plainly formatted mail might just sail right through.

  48. Effect of CAN-SPAM law (was:Overreacting) by satch89450 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    P.S. Don't think the new "CAN-SPAM" law is going to fix the spam problem. The Direct Marketing Association considers the law a victory for the spam business. Check this C-NET [story]...

    After reviewing and crafting a new AUP document for my boss at a Web hosting company, I'm beginning to appreciate how the CAN-SPAM law will get a handle on spam. Let me explain.

    There is a lot more to the CAN-SPAM law than just spam. The thing that caught my eye when I read the actual Act of Congress and the law referenced by the Act is that the issue of unauthorized access to computers "used in interstate commerce" (and Web hosting falls into that class) has been clarified, and the penalties for unauthorized access have been strengthened. That means when some twerp uses one of my customer's Web sites to commit FormMail spam, it becomes a Federal matter. Falsified credentials isn't just a civil matter any more -- the Feds have criminalized the offense.

    One of the biggest problems that the anti-spam crowd has had is with forgery. I have a domain, fluent (dash) access (dot) com, which has been used as a forged return address in someone's spew for a long time -- I found out when I turned the entire domain into a spam-trap and started getting bounces from all kinds of networks. (Some of those networks are now blocked because of that, but that's life on the Internet these days. Maybe I'll implement a sunset script for my automated access blocking...or maybe I won't.) With the new law, a forged From: line is criminalized. While the law is silent on the matter, forged Received From: lines may also be roped into the "deceit" intent of the law -- but that will have to be tested in a Court.

    As a commercial operator of Internet services, it lets me write things into my AUP that now stand a chance of being enforced, and not necessarily on my nickel. Before CAN-SPAM, it just didn't pay to go after a guy who is probing my network looking for broken formmail.pl and formmail.cgi scripts. What CAN-SPAM really does is put the black hats on alert that their activities may attract more attention than they would be comfortable getting.

    It also unshackles the programmer in me to write scripts to enforce some of these things using technological means instead of investigative means. For example, if I enforce the From: line restriction, the script person can't complain because it's an enforcement of an AUP requirement -- I'm just making sure that my customers toe the legal line.

    For the DMA, it is a win, because it makes more people play by the rules. Consider that CAN-SPAM is also a win for the block-lists like SpamCop and SPEWS, because it reduces the detective work required to recognize the spew just starting from yet another IP address, and it also limits the methods available to the abusers to avoid being caught and blocked.

    1. Re:Effect of CAN-SPAM law (was:Overreacting) by Alsee · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The CAN-SPAM law also wipes out all state spam laws.

      Basicly CAN-SPAM defines how to legally flod the planet with spam. There are about 25 million companies in the US. If each of them spammed you once with a valid and functional opt-out list you would be busy clicking almost SEVEN THOUSAND opt out links in seven thousand spams every day for the next ten years. Even one-tenth of one percent of that is still 70 spam per day per person (actually per e-mail account).

      Then of course spammers routinely reopen as a "new" business.

      A huge loophole in the law is that a spammer can flood you with 500 messages all at once, before you ever even see the opt-out link. He can continue to spam you up to ten days after you opt-out.

      Yes, we are currently drowning in fraudulent and deceptive spam, but drowning in non-fradulent and non-deceptive legalized spam isn't exactly a solution. The law wiped out ALL state spam laws, except to the extent that they address fradulence and deception. CAN-SPAM legalizes spam.

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  49. Time to Black-Hole List the entire Congress?? by JGski · · Score: 1

    Perhaps fortunately, there are only some many Congress-critters to account for. Black-holing them should be pretty easy. Add a press release when each is to explain their ethical lapse...

  50. And this is a big deal because? by KalvinB · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Government officials will be following the rules. You're not going to be getting e-mails with "v0t3 f0r 930r93 6u5h"

    If you don't want policitical spam, as soon as one arrives, look for the tell and block it. They're not going to be faking domains and it's going to be professionally written. A preemptive expression block of "vote for" would probably knock out close to 100% of political spam.

    The problem with spam isn't spam itself. It's that it's designed to be difficult to filter out.

    As long as spammers of any sort follow the rules, I don't have a problem with them. I can filter them out without any trouble if I choose.

    Howard Dean is praised for exploiting the internet to build his campaign. Now you're whining that they would dare use e-mail. It's a public medium. Anyone can use it. Calling it "spam" doesn't make it any less e-mail. Politicials will be sending out a few million (if that) not billions. How many voters gave out e-mail addresses? Those are the only people who will be getting e-mails. I wouldn't call it spamming when you volunteer your e-mail address. That's "opt-in."

    If they abuse it, don't vote for them. If they use it intelligently, encourage others to do the same. That's what the internet is for.

    The only issue is the black out period. And no one has done anything yet. I'd be more impressed if a politician didn't take advantage of a legal situation than if they were forced not to.

    Ben

    1. Re:And this is a big deal because? by Fangboner · · Score: 1
      KalvinB wrote:
      The problem with spam isn't spam itself. It's that it's designed to be difficult to filter out.
      Not true. The problem is that there's so much of it. That message traffic costs your ISP even if you don't see it.
      Howard Dean is praised for exploiting the internet to build his campaign. Now you're whining that they would dare use e-mail.
      Just using email isn't a problem. These politicians are sending spam (unsolicited bulk email), in this case inviting people to join their mailing lists.

      You want people to vote for you or join your mailing list? Don't piss them off by spamming. Put a link on your web page, there are plenty of ways to do it besides spamming.
      It's a public medium. Anyone can use it. ... How many voters gave out e-mail addresses? ... I wouldn't call it spamming when you volunteer your e-mail address. That's "opt-in."
      Repeat after me: Putting my email address on my home page is not an invitation to be spammed. Posting to Usenet or a mailing list is not an invitation to be spammed. Having a listed telephone is not an invitation for telemarketers. Having a home address is not an invitation to receive junk mail.

      Opt-in is when I ask to receive mail. Spamming people to invite them to join a mailing list is still spamming. UBE is spam even if the politicians decide to exempt themselves from the legal definitions of spam.
    2. Re:And this is a big deal because? by Steve+B · · Score: 1
      The problem with spam isn't spam itself. It's that it's designed to be difficult to filter out.

      This is what I've been saying all along -- the law needs to treat spam filters like any other computer security measure (i.e. wilfully crack one and you could spend the next 5-10 hoping like hell that your herbal v1agra and p3n1s enlargment products didn't work for your cell mate). This would leave spammers with only the options of "too dangerous" or "too easy to block".

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  51. Too bad it's illegal by KalvinB · · Score: 1

    When January 1st rolls around in a few days, anyone who pulls something like that can be tracked down and heavily fined and/or jailed.

    And considering it would be against the government, the chances of you getting tracked down are much higher.

    You can campaign "for" an opposing candidate to make them look bad but you must not forge any headers or you will be in a deep pile of trouble.

    If a candidate were to do something like that against the opposition, they'd likely be kicked out the race. Breaking a brand spanking new federal law to try to win an election wouldn't look very good on one's record.

    That may have worked in 2000 (if people didn't mind the trickery which would come to light quickly). In 2004 we have laws against such things.

    Ben

  52. Heh by Berrik · · Score: 1

    I didn't know Congress wanted me to have a larger penis. Berrik

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  53. Ummm NO. by geekoid · · Score: 1

    Both people running will use it, so then what do you do?

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    1. Re:Ummm NO. by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      Vote the third, may be outsider but certainly not asshole.

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  54. You need to relize by geekoid · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    that almost nobody gets as worked up about spam as the people who post on slashdot.

    Most people don't care or mind, unless its porn.

    Personally, I have nothing against spam, I just want it clearly marked as such.

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    1. Re:You need to relize by cshake · · Score: 1

      But you have to realize that all the /. users who get worked up will be those 50,000 people who vote against the candidate.

      And, How can you not have anything against spam? It is wasting everyones resources, filling up mailboxes and eating otherwise usefull bandwidth.

  55. news articles are exempt from copyright by js7a · · Score: 1
    Please respect copyright by not posting the full text of articles.... It should be up to the Times to decide.

    On the contrary, Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107 has repeatedly been held to allow news articles to be redistributed in full for noncommercial and many commercial purposes without permission from the copyright holder. Such 'fair use' of copyrighted material for "criticism, comment, news reporting, ... or research, is not an infringement of copyright."

    Complete news articles have always been recognized as exempt under the 'fair use doctrine' for noncommercial redistribution, as well as limited commercial uses, since long before Section 107 was codified.

    1. Re:news articles are exempt from copyright by JuggleGeek · · Score: 1

      Seeing your sig in this discussion reminded me that the Dean campaign has a history of sending spam.

  56. Nice in theory, worthless in Reality. by ShadowSystems · · Score: 1

    "Do you complain when your representative doesn't represent you?"

    YES I get pissed off when the people I vote for don't get into office.
    That means the cretins I did NOT vote for ARE in office, therefore the people I believe best represent my opinions / beliefs / etc are NOT the ones in positions to further those ideals.
    YES I complain - it just doesn't do any damned good.

    "You're paying for their work, even when it's as shoddy as we're growing accustomed to."

    Yes I'm paying for them TO work - unfortunately, they're not doing the work they're paid to be doing. Instead of making America a better place for all American's, they're flushing our Rights down the toilet, selling out our resources to the highest bidders in return for kick-backs & future shares of profits, and generally making life hellish for those who elected them into Office.

    "Politicians are different from police and firemen - their job is to talk, and to talk with you."

    Then they're not doing thier job. If I wish to speak with my representative, the one I voted for, then it's fairly easy to get in touch, as they ARE interested in what "the little guy" has to say. However, if I want to get in touch with the putz who got elected, "thier time's too valuable" and we get pawned off on some flunky who takes a message and mails us back a boiler-plate reply that does nothing to further the discourse. Unless, of course, I'm going to contribute a massive wad of cash, in which case they're ALL too happy to sit and listen to me, at least until the cheque clears...

    "When you ignore them, others like the media move into that power vacuum, totally unaccountable to you."

    Except I don't completely ignore them, I merely make sure the message I get from them is the one the World see's, not the airbrushed clap-trap they want to feed me.
    And the media IS accountable - if they're proven to no longer be a viable source of data, they tend to get ignored *en masse*, which sends thier ratings into the toilet, thier advertisers stop dealing with them, and they tend to go bankrupt... OR, they clean up thier act, straighten-up-and-fly-right, get-thier-shit-together, and suddenly return to the domain of legitimate news sources.
    The Enquirer isn't a good source of political commentary, and you wouldn't use it to gain an idea of how a candidate works/thinks/acts, while CNN would be a better choice, see?

    "Of course you're not limited to the messages coming from your representatives, you're much better off triangulating on multiple media sources, especially the Internet with its fast, easy search power."

    Ahh, you CAN see reason...

    "Global news is more like entertainment when you don't even know how the local school board is spending your money, training your neighbors who are kids in school."

    Except my local news doesn't cover such things unless there's blood, money, or corruption involved. "If it ain't bleedin', dyin', or cryin', it ain't news." I already keep in touch with my local schools, as I'm rather fond of volunteering my time to help around campus, attending PTA meetings, helping host Bake Sales, etc; my son doesn't get away with much at school, because all his teachers know me on sight, have my home number at hand, and are perfectly willing to call me at the slightest hint of something out of the ordinary.
    I've lived in this community since 1981, am fairly active in it, and attend all the local LAFCO/City Hall style meetings, so your argument is a touch moot... Sorry.

    "Politics is not like garbage hauling - leaving it exclusively to the specialists keeps you out of the loop, and therefore expendable."

    Unfortunately, it IS like hauling garbage, or have you not been paying attention to all the trash they've been trying to dump down our throats & strap to our backs? Our children will be stuck with the largest bill in history; an environment that is so screwed I'm surprised Mother Nature hasn't tried to exterminate the entire race in disgust; politicians

  57. XXX FREE TEEN POLITICS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    However I would think that a political email... is probably [more] likely to be read... than something with a subject line like "XXX FREE TEEN PICS", etc.

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