Abuse doesn't require physical force to make you do it. You can be abused even though you have "chosen" to participate.
There are numerous examples of "talent" being coerced to do things they don't want to because they had to. Read something about one actress being coerced into anal sex or the producer wouldn't pay for the surgery she needed for a bad boob job as she was promised. Sure she could choose not do it and face the consequences (risking losing her breasts or whatever).
Btw, since American law doesn't allow certain acts (fisting for example) the producers take that kind of things over to eastern Europe. There you can always find young women "choosing" to do the most vile acts because they need the money to survive.
I read an article (always taken with a large grain of salt because journalists are lying bastards) covering trafficking - mafia-like organizations selling children and women to prostitution and other abuse. I would think pornography is not isolated from such things.
Anyway, my point is that it can be abuse with or without choice.
Btw, I don't believe in censorship or legislation, but that doesn't mean these women (or in a some cases - men) aren't abused.
If they are drug addicts their choices are in reality limited. Often they have been abused as a child and to get the drugs they crave the choice of continuing to abuse or let others abuse their bodies is a "simple" one.
My point is that even though they have "chosen" to participate they are being abused. The "gonzo" films that are being produced nowadays are abusive - choice or no choice.
Hmmm. Why do you assume that the vast majority in porn couldn't get abused, when you already acknowledge that children all over the world are abused in sweat-shops just to keep us with cheap shoes? Why is the former not possible when the latter is happening?
Umm, because a file manager is the dinosaur of information managers.
I want to manage information and the only obsticle I should bother myself is authorization. The location of the information is not something that should stop me from managing (viewing, changing,...) it.
So a file manager is therefore not adequate for managing information because it limits you to where the information is located. Of course there are distributed file systems and similar to get around this, but still it is far easier to provide a common interface to all different kinds of information spaces (WWW, digital cameras, etc).
Skins is not something I am interested in, but being able to access any information anywhere is a great feature. In fact this was the vision and goal of the WWW that has yet to be fulfilled. Giving end-users these tools is a step in the right direction.
Umm, how is the "new media" journalist any different from old days journalist? They both lie, deceive, skew, filter, and hide behind "right to free press" (yada yada).
At least the "new media" journalist doesn't come with a supposed integrity - we already know they shouldn't be trusted.
Adhering to standards isn't the problem. Forcing people to upgrade is.
If these "web designer" morons just used the standards and stopped trying to make decisions for me I would be fine. Heck, use XHTML and CSS and I will still use NS3.0x. It is their damn hard-on for using javashit when it isn't necessary and other k3wl techniques that breaks everything.
Oh, and of course the fact that they want, like now, to tell me my user agent won't do. I _know_ my user agents short comings and in 99% of the cases it will do just fine.
I guess you missed the "We're offering browser detection that can sniff out old browsers and direct them to the upgrades page" thing.
This isn't just about using standards. They want to _force_ us to upgrade our user agents.
I am well aware of the faults and shortcomings of NS3.0x I am using and I have no problems if people actually used standards (hell, I want them too!), but this is just a bunch of moronic "web designers" showing their ignorance.
If I want to use a broken user agents - that is my choice. Use standards and I can continue to make that choice.
I for one miss the days when/. was just "a bunch of..".
The last 2+ years it has gone downhill with trolls and people that don't bother to actually read the articles before posting. Some who shouldn't be posting at all (reading or not) because they don't know what they are talking about.
So give me the good ole days when CmdrTaco expressed his own opinion and no one whined about him not adhering to some journalistic standard (which is laughable in itself).
I haven't followed the development of CSS lately (the syntax of CSS is bloated and non-orthogonal - I wish we get something cleaner and better), but I thought CSS3 was to become modularized like XHTML, so I guess this is just a step in defining what is needed for small screen devices.
I haven't bothered to look at WAP after I read the first spec. I don't trust the telecom companies to produce anything of value. Buzzwords and flawed 'standards' is what they are about.
Stole? Misunderstood the whole concept of the GPL, eh?
As for the, often repeated, lack of attribution - can you show some evidence of this? I looked in GNOME CVS and couldn't find any lack of attribution when kthmlw was imported into the tree ( http://cvs.gnome.org/bonsai/cvsview2.cgi?command=D IFF&subdir=%2Fgtkhtml&file=AUTHORS&rev1= 1.1&rev2=1.10&whitespace_mode=show&diff_mode=conte xt ).
Umm, no. Since its inception the purpose of the WWW was to both manage and access information. Read Tim Berners-Lee's proposal.
With WebDAV (which Nautilus has rudimentary support through gnome-vfs) you will be able to read and write everything from a source code repository to your own website using the same interface.
I believe they employ T.V. Raman author of Emacsspeak.
This isn't a problem with IBM, but rather the "webdesigners" they employ or hired to do this for them. Can't expect pissants like that to do anything right.
Heh, no, this is _another_ thing you find "distasteful" about GNOME, because the only thing you do here is to whine about how bad it is.
But hey! You are not alone! Daniel M. Duley (Mosfet) whines constantly about how mean GNOME/FSF/Debian/... is to KDE. HeUnique is running around the KDE lists trying to create "responses" to GNOME press coverage (it would generate hits on/. so it is probably his job). Dennis E. Powell (dep on the KDE lists) is using LinuxPlanet as his personal soapbox to flesh out conspiracy theories about GNOME and Red Hat.
The funny thing in all this is that you are getting more and more desperate. Obviosly you feel threatened that GNOME will eventually gather more users than KDE (I guess it is safe to assume KDE has more currently). This, of course, also threatens the investments each of you have in KDE (emotional, time, emotional, financial, emotional, knowledge, emotional, and did I mention emotional?).
Lastly none of this can be attributed to the KDE project because it is such a democratic open freely cooperating group of developers that don't have a leader (unlike that Other desktop project) so they can run around as they want and spew crap around them and at the same time attribute anything anyone even remotely connected to the GNOME project has to say to the project itself. Convenient, eh?
Well at least you are all entertaining at times. That people actually believe the crap you are saying is just sad, but then people actually want govt to protect them from choosing Microsoft products too.
It is only compliant in respect to syntax - not semantics.
If you use tables to force a a visual effect on some user agents this doesn't mean a damn thing on a voice browser.
How do you tell a blind user the meaning of a table (which of course is meant for tabular data) when you are using it for visual formatting? How do you explain to a computer (for searching, indexing, transforming, etc) that your table isn't really a table?
Just because others are worse doesn't make you any less wrong in your abuse of HTML.
You "mustn't" anything. It is entirely up to you if you want to abuse HTML to gain your, obviosly, much needed visual effects. Don't blame others for your wrong doings.
Uhmm, I think Ted Nelson would like to get some credit for thinking of "hypertext" and "hypermedia", both terms were coined by him in 1965, long before (1960) this patent was filed.
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Abuse doesn't require physical force to make you do it. You can be abused even though you have "chosen" to participate.
/mill
There are numerous examples of "talent" being coerced to do things they don't want to because they had to. Read something about one actress being coerced into anal sex or the producer wouldn't pay for the surgery she needed for a bad boob job as she was promised. Sure she could choose not do it and face the consequences (risking losing her breasts or whatever).
Btw, since American law doesn't allow certain acts (fisting for example) the producers take that kind of things over to eastern Europe. There you can always find young women "choosing" to do the most vile acts because they need the money to survive.
I read an article (always taken with a large grain of salt because journalists are lying bastards) covering trafficking - mafia-like organizations selling children and women to prostitution and other abuse. I would think pornography is not isolated from such things.
Anyway, my point is that it can be abuse with or without choice.
Btw, I don't believe in censorship or legislation, but that doesn't mean these women (or in a some cases - men) aren't abused.
I never said anything about location.
/mill
If they are drug addicts their choices are in reality limited. Often they have been abused as a child and to get the drugs they crave the choice of continuing to abuse or let others abuse their bodies is a "simple" one.
My point is that even though they have "chosen" to participate they are being abused. The "gonzo" films that are being produced nowadays are abusive - choice or no choice.
Hmmm. Why do you assume that the vast majority in porn couldn't get abused, when you already acknowledge that children all over the world are abused in sweat-shops just to keep us with cheap shoes? Why is the former not possible when the latter is happening?
/mill
Umm, because a file manager is the dinosaur of information managers.
...) it.
/mill
I want to manage information and the only obsticle I should bother myself is authorization. The location of the information is not something that should stop me from managing (viewing, changing,
So a file manager is therefore not adequate for managing information because it limits you to where the information is located. Of course there are distributed file systems and similar to get around this, but still it is far easier to provide a common interface to all different kinds of information spaces (WWW, digital cameras, etc).
Skins is not something I am interested in, but being able to access any information anywhere is a great feature. In fact this was the vision and goal of the WWW that has yet to be fulfilled. Giving end-users these tools is a step in the right direction.
Umm, how is the "new media" journalist any different from old days journalist? They both lie, deceive, skew, filter, and hide behind "right to free press" (yada yada).
/mill
At least the "new media" journalist doesn't come with a supposed integrity - we already know they shouldn't be trusted.
Adhering to standards isn't the problem. Forcing people to upgrade is.
/mill
If these "web designer" morons just used the standards and stopped trying to make decisions for me I would be fine. Heck, use XHTML and CSS and I will still use NS3.0x. It is their damn hard-on for using javashit when it isn't necessary and other k3wl techniques that breaks everything.
Oh, and of course the fact that they want, like now, to tell me my user agent won't do. I _know_ my user agents short comings and in 99% of the cases it will do just fine.
Idiots.
I guess you missed the "We're offering browser detection that can sniff out old browsers and direct them to the upgrades page" thing.
/mill
This isn't just about using standards. They want to _force_ us to upgrade our user agents.
I am well aware of the faults and shortcomings of NS3.0x I am using and I have no problems if people actually used standards (hell, I want them too!), but this is just a bunch of moronic "web designers" showing their ignorance.
If I want to use a broken user agents - that is my choice. Use standards and I can continue to make that choice.
Pursuing a doctorate degree at UC, Irvine.
/mill
http://www.ics.uci.edu/~rohit/
I for one miss the days when /. was just "a bunch of..".
/mill
The last 2+ years it has gone downhill with trolls and people that don't bother to actually read the articles before posting. Some who shouldn't be posting at all (reading or not) because they don't know what they are talking about.
So give me the good ole days when CmdrTaco expressed his own opinion and no one whined about him not adhering to some journalistic standard (which is laughable in itself).
The "GNOME dudes" aren't developing Inti. Havoc Pennington ("one GNOME dude" maybe) is.
/mill
If you want to use C++ now GTK-- is what you want. Or maybe the Python, OCaml, Perl, Ada, or Guile bindings are of interest.
"As a graphic display medium (which is what a web page is, regardless of what language it's written in)"
Yeah, you "know exactly what HTML is". Sigh. You are just another web designer stuck in his visual world of flash and ignorance.
/mill
Use dvipdfm ( http://gaspra.kettering.edu/dvipdfm/ ).
/.
/mill
Funny topic this when 99% of the participants don't know anything what they are talking about. Oh well, that's
Well actually gtk+ does have an equivalent - it's in CVS. Look in gdk/linux-fb/.
/mill
You shouldn't feed the troll though. It only grows.
MS is employing the authors of GHC (http://www.haskell.org/ghc/) so I would say that MS have produced a substantial amount of Haskell code.
/mill
I haven't followed the development of CSS lately (the syntax of CSS is bloated and non-orthogonal - I wish we get something cleaner and better), but I thought CSS3 was to become modularized like XHTML, so I guess this is just a step in defining what is needed for small screen devices.
/mill
I haven't bothered to look at WAP after I read the first spec. I don't trust the telecom companies to produce anything of value. Buzzwords and flawed 'standards' is what they are about.
I thought it just looked like a shorter version of the CSS2 spec. I didn't see anything specific to mobile user agents.
/mill
WAP is dead because both the idea and the implementation sucks. CSS' only sucks in its implementation.
Stole? Misunderstood the whole concept of the GPL, eh?
D IFF&subdir=%2Fgtkhtml&file=AUTHORS&rev1= 1.1&rev2=1.10&whitespace_mode=show&diff_mode=conte xt ).
/mill
As for the, often repeated, lack of attribution - can you show some evidence of this? I looked in GNOME CVS and couldn't find any lack of attribution when kthmlw was imported into the tree ( http://cvs.gnome.org/bonsai/cvsview2.cgi?command=
Umm, no. Since its inception the purpose of the WWW was to both manage and access information. Read Tim Berners-Lee's proposal.
/mill
With WebDAV (which Nautilus has rudimentary support through gnome-vfs) you will be able to read and write everything from a source code repository to your own website using the same interface.
..I think I have said this before..
I believe they employ T.V. Raman author of Emacsspeak.
/mill
This isn't a problem with IBM, but rather the "webdesigners" they employ or hired to do this for them. Can't expect pissants like that to do anything right.
Heh, no, this is _another_ thing you find "distasteful" about GNOME, because the only thing you do here is to whine about how bad it is.
/. so it is probably his job). Dennis E. Powell (dep on the KDE lists) is using LinuxPlanet as his personal soapbox to flesh out conspiracy theories about GNOME and Red Hat.
/mill
But hey! You are not alone! Daniel M. Duley (Mosfet) whines constantly about how mean GNOME/FSF/Debian/... is to KDE. HeUnique is running around the KDE lists trying to create "responses" to GNOME press coverage (it would generate hits on
The funny thing in all this is that you are getting more and more desperate. Obviosly you feel threatened that GNOME will eventually gather more users than KDE (I guess it is safe to assume KDE has more currently). This, of course, also threatens the investments each of you have in KDE (emotional, time, emotional, financial, emotional, knowledge, emotional, and did I mention emotional?).
Lastly none of this can be attributed to the KDE project because it is such a democratic open freely cooperating group of developers that don't have a leader (unlike that Other desktop project) so they can run around as they want and spew crap around them and at the same time attribute anything anyone even remotely connected to the GNOME project has to say to the project itself. Convenient, eh?
Well at least you are all entertaining at times. That people actually believe the crap you are saying is just sad, but then people actually want govt to protect them from choosing Microsoft products too.
% uname
/lib/libc-2.1.3.so /lib/libc-2.1.3.so
/lib/libc-2.1.3.so
Linux
% ls -l
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 888596 May 1 20:26
% file
/lib/libc-2.1.3.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1, stripped
/mill
It is only compliant in respect to syntax - not semantics.
/mill
If you use tables to force a a visual effect on some user agents this doesn't mean a damn thing on a voice browser.
How do you tell a blind user the meaning of a table (which of course is meant for tabular data) when you are using it for visual formatting? How do you explain to a computer (for searching, indexing, transforming, etc) that your table isn't really a table?
Just because others are worse doesn't make you any less wrong in your abuse of HTML.
Manuel Chakravarty is already working on bindings to gtk+ ( http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~chak/haskell/gtk/ ).
/mill
You "mustn't" anything. It is entirely up to you if you want to abuse HTML to gain your, obviosly, much needed visual effects. Don't blame others for your wrong doings.
/mill
Uhmm, I think Ted Nelson would like to get some credit for thinking of "hypertext" and "hypermedia", both terms were coined by him in 1965, long before (1960) this patent was filed.
/mill
http://www.xanadu.com.au/general/faq.html#4