I guess we'd better not tell the OP about how I used to connect.... (drumroll)
a whole bunch of three-prong extension cords and XON/XOFF handshaking.
That worked fine, too, although 9600bps wasn't always achievable. But I was always worried somebody would actually plug one in to an electrical outlet while the end was still attached to my terminal in another building....
> One question though - if you're running the same binary, is it > still linked with libc5, or were you an early glibc convert?
Nah, I'm an early GNU/Solaris user. The binary was built with Solaris 2.5.1 -- and Sun is MUCH better about backwards binary compatibilty than the Linux folks...
BTW, when I say GNU/Solaris, I really do mean that in a fairly Stallmanesque, not-tounge-in-cheek manner. I use the Solaris kernel, X server and solibs, but nearly everything else has been replaced by GNU software. It works very well for me.
I've been writing in C for 16 years now; other language strengths are Javascript and Bourne Shell variants. I work occasionally with PHP, and it's C-like enough that learning it has been easy. But although some things are just not done elegantly, at least one can say, "okay, this is how you do it in C+UNIX, I'll bet it's the same in PHP". And usually, that leads to a solution within minutes, which is pretty good as far as foreign languages go.
Mac-minis might be a quick way to deploy a server farm of DVDs. I'll bet you could get 12 of them on a single U with the right shelf. Unless they are just a hair too tall.
Can't imagine why you'd want to, though.. I'd be easier just to rip 'em all on a harddisk.
Hmmm...
Why WOULD you put Macs in the datacenter..
Well, I suppose, those Mac minis probably have dual core CPUs, right? Okay, so that's 24 cores per 1 (or 2) U. Not that awful.
Actually, those things are short enough, that if you flipped 'em on their sides, you probably get 30 of them into 5U, including cooling. That's 60 cores in 5U. That's not bad, either, or about 250 cores per cabinet, with local storage for each pair of cores.
I wonder how they are for power consumption? What can rackable put in a cabinet?
So, let's see. 125 * 600 = $75,000
That's actually a lot of compute for 75 grand. That'll only buy you 140 opteron cores from sun (X2100 dual cores).
Good point -- Class B actually does seem to describe what TFA is talking about more accurately than Class L.
Oddly enough, the error here isn't in my understanding of the planet classification system used in Star Trek; rather, my understanding of TFA in the first place (hey, I glossed over it; this is/. afterall!).
I think this goes to prove that current science still has a lot to learn from Michael Okuda and his bretheren!... At least NASA has finally hire Mike for *something* (Orion Patch).
Dude, get over it. They blew up the Goauld ships two (three?) seasons ago. Colonel (now General) O'Neil used the Ancient Control Chair they found in Antartica. He can control it because he has a special gene. It shoots these really cool yellow drones.
You may think I'm joking, but I'm not. For 2nd year architecture, we ran a PDP-11-ish simulator on MIPS boxen. It must have been locally developed, however, as I cannot find it online anywhere. As a simulator for this stuff, I found it particularly retarded, as it included "extra" instructions for I/O. What a crock of shit!
We used real MIPS assembler in fourth-year compiler construction, however.
The 6551 would be a good choice. Commodore used it in the B128 and SuperPET 9000 (MMF 9000 in Europe). Additionally, the software UART in the Vic-20, C64, C128, Plus4 and C16 all mimicked the 6551.
Back in MY day... my BBS had six nodes, and ran Maximus-CBCS 2.01wb under MS-DOS 5.0/DESQview 2.31 (later upgraded to PC-Board 15).
Six serial ports were achieved by hardware-hacking a second serial board to have non-standard addresses, and scooping the interrupts from a sixteen-bit slot with bits of wire and a hunk of edge card connector. The X00 FOSSIL was required to get the non-standard COM ports up and running (BRU worked, too, IIRC).
Two monitors were achieved by running the secondary display on at 0xb000:0 (?) via MDA (Hercules) video card.
All in all, a good system, with a Cyrix 486DLC processor overclocked to 68MHz. No performance issues, even at 14,400 bps.
Um, dude, EARTH and LUNA are also synchronized so that only one of side of the moon is ever visible.
Hence the title of an excellent Pink Floyd album.
Did you also mean to imply that Charon orbits Pluto in a geostationary orbit? (I don't know if that's the case or not)
And as for it sitting on something. I would like to propose that we attach the space end of it to a buoyant object, such as an empty bottle of bleach. Then all we'd have to do is put a bucket of water in orbit for it to sit on, and hang down to the earth for our robots to shimmy.
..it needs, in effect, a union. At least in a large country like the USA with multiple ISPs.
Assuming for the moment that you could get MS, Google, Yahoo, YouTube and MySpace into a union, and vote to block all content to a particular ISP until they behaved themselves......well, that ISP would probably roll over pretty quickly.
Even smaller websites could get into the act with technology similar to RBL. And the ISPs' only possible defence would be to band together, forming an effective communications monopoly.... which might cause FCC problems, and would certainly encourage p2p mesh grow-out in large cities.
I don't do PHP, Perl, CGI, J2EE or any of the "slashdot-approved" server-side scripting languages. I don't really care if my development environment supports any of them. I've tried them all
Uh-huh. You've tried them all? Really?
If you did, then you should really realize that neither CGI nor J2EE are scripting languages... assuming you have half a developer.brain.
If you didn't, then are standing up on slashdot, thumping your chest about something you have no clue about. Which should really surprise me, particularly attached to an MS-fanboy-attracting-article.
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Wrap a ziptie around each bundle of wires. Ziptie each ziptie to your hooks. Do it tight enough so that they won't fall off.
I guess we'd better not tell the OP about how I used to connect .... (drumroll)
a whole bunch of three-prong extension cords and XON/XOFF handshaking.
That worked fine, too, although 9600bps wasn't always achievable. But I was always worried somebody would actually plug one in to an electrical outlet while the end was still attached to my terminal in another building....
Spend two bucks on zip ties and stop your whining. Yeesh.
> One question though - if you're running the same binary, is it
> still linked with libc5, or were you an early glibc convert?
Nah, I'm an early GNU/Solaris user. The binary was built with Solaris 2.5.1 -- and Sun is MUCH better about backwards binary compatibilty than the Linux folks...
BTW, when I say GNU/Solaris, I really do mean that in a fairly Stallmanesque, not-tounge-in-cheek manner. I use the Solaris kernel, X server and solibs, but nearly everything else has been replaced by GNU software. It works very well for me.
..anything in this new one that'll compell me to upgrade?
I've been running the same binary since about 1997, so far, I really haven't found anything it doesn't do. But it IS a little ugly.
I didn't upgrade to FVWM-2 because its configuration files weren't compatible... How are they for 3?
You know what's hilarious?
I've been writing in C for 16 years now; other language strengths are Javascript and Bourne Shell variants. I work occasionally with PHP, and it's C-like enough that learning it has been easy. But although some things are just not done elegantly, at least one can say, "okay, this is how you do it in C+UNIX, I'll bet it's the same in PHP". And usually, that leads to a solution within minutes, which is pretty good as far as foreign languages go.
Toyota must be working on a robot that will really kick some Asimo!
> What possible advantage can it have there
Mac-minis might be a quick way to deploy a server farm of DVDs. I'll bet you could get 12 of them on a single U with the right shelf. Unless they are just a hair too tall.
Can't imagine why you'd want to, though.. I'd be easier just to rip 'em all on a harddisk.
Hmmm...
Why WOULD you put Macs in the datacenter..
Well, I suppose, those Mac minis probably have dual core CPUs, right? Okay, so that's 24 cores per 1 (or 2) U. Not that awful.
Actually, those things are short enough, that if you flipped 'em on their sides, you probably get 30 of them into 5U, including cooling. That's 60 cores in 5U. That's not bad, either, or about 250 cores per cabinet, with local storage for each pair of cores.
I wonder how they are for power consumption? What can rackable put in a cabinet?
So, let's see. 125 * 600 = $75,000
That's actually a lot of compute for 75 grand. That'll only buy you 140 opteron cores from sun (X2100 dual cores).
Good point -- Class B actually does seem to describe what TFA is talking about more accurately than Class L.
/. afterall!).
... At least NASA has finally hire Mike for *something* (Orion Patch).
Oddly enough, the error here isn't in my understanding of the planet classification system used in Star Trek; rather, my understanding of TFA in the first place (hey, I glossed over it; this is
I think this goes to prove that current science still has a lot to learn from Michael Okuda and his bretheren!
...the term for an "earth-like" planet is "Class M".
These scientists, however, are talking about "Hot Earths" -- which would be "Class L" planets.
Dude, get over it. They blew up the Goauld ships two (three?) seasons ago. Colonel (now General) O'Neil used the Ancient Control Chair they found in Antartica. He can control it because he has a special gene. It shoots these really cool yellow drones.
Q: Why do the British drink warm beer?
A: Lucas refrigerators!
They're both total bullshit?
Not only is a Window a chick, but she's hot! And funny! http://www.flickr.com/photos/windowsnyder/58200550 /
One can only hope she lets in all kinds of Trojans. Or at least the lambskins.
> You may not replace pawns with queens once they've reached
> the other end of the chess table.
Assuming you could get pawns that far on Hawking... Why the fuck not?
> I can't think of a worse experience for an OS install then Irix.'
... or early versions of yggdrasil or slackware.
;)
You clearly have not installed AIX 2.x
Hmm, maybe should have added "in the 21st century" as a qualifier to your statement.
You may think I'm joking, but I'm not. For 2nd year architecture, we ran a PDP-11-ish simulator on MIPS boxen. It must have been locally developed, however, as I cannot find it online anywhere. As a simulator for this stuff, I found it particularly retarded, as it included "extra" instructions for I/O. What a crock of shit!
We used real MIPS assembler in fourth-year compiler construction, however.
My Grade 10 math teacher taught us, because she felt we deserved to know, even though it had not been on the curriculum since the late 1970s.
:)
Suffice to say, none of us remember how. But at least I am familiar with the procedure.
The 6551 would be a good choice. Commodore used it in the B128 and SuperPET 9000 (MMF 9000 in Europe). Additionally, the software UART in the Vic-20, C64, C128, Plus4 and C16 all mimicked the 6551.
Back in MY day... my BBS had six nodes, and ran Maximus-CBCS 2.01wb under MS-DOS 5.0/DESQview 2.31 (later upgraded to PC-Board 15).
Six serial ports were achieved by hardware-hacking a second serial board to have non-standard addresses, and scooping the interrupts from a sixteen-bit slot with bits of wire and a hunk of edge card connector. The X00 FOSSIL was required to get the non-standard COM ports up and running (BRU worked, too, IIRC).
Two monitors were achieved by running the secondary display on at 0xb000:0 (?) via MDA (Hercules) video card.
All in all, a good system, with a Cyrix 486DLC processor overclocked to 68MHz. No performance issues, even at 14,400 bps.
Um, dude, EARTH and LUNA are also synchronized so that only one of side of the moon is ever visible.
Hence the title of an excellent Pink Floyd album.
Did you also mean to imply that Charon orbits Pluto in a geostationary orbit? (I don't know if that's the case or not)
And as for it sitting on something. I would like to propose that we attach the space end of it to a buoyant object, such as an empty bottle of bleach. Then all we'd have to do is put a bucket of water in orbit for it to sit on, and hang down to the earth for our robots to shimmy.
Jesus, why the hell not just buy one?
..it needs, in effect, a union. At least in a large country like the USA with multiple ISPs.
...well, that ISP would probably roll over pretty quickly.
Assuming for the moment that you could get MS, Google, Yahoo, YouTube and MySpace into a union, and vote to block all content to a particular ISP until they behaved themselves...
Even smaller websites could get into the act with technology similar to RBL. And the ISPs' only possible defence would be to band together, forming an effective communications monopoly.... which might cause FCC problems, and would certainly encourage p2p mesh grow-out in large cities.
Uh-huh. You've tried them all? Really?
If you did, then you should really realize that neither CGI nor J2EE are scripting languages... assuming you have half a developer.brain.
If you didn't, then are standing up on slashdot, thumping your chest about something you have no clue about. Which should really surprise me, particularly attached to an MS-fanboy-attracting-article.
The courts should just tell them that somebody confessed to murder in their name, and now they're going to have to go to jail for the next 25 years.