Based on the replies below, I think we've come to a solid consensus... It's option 1.
IMHO 1 in 4 children are copiously ridiculed, harassed, and are treated poorly... I'd even argue that some arguments here can get downright mean... And yet, here we are every day.
If someone takes the trolling and flaming as bullying, they've been bullied. They can learn to live with it, or they can go somewhere else.
I guess not, since that's what these folks put together.
Seriously though, it's my experience that there aren't too many people out there writing much with concurrency and SMP in mind to start with. I'm not sure how they did it, but if they can bring parallelism to another method of programming, then fine by me. The more people get used to utilizing the multiple cores available to them, the better IMHO.
Agreed. The crowd was out of hand before the record folks even showed up. The mall security, and the local authorities failed, and then decided to blame someone else for it.
The next thing is: In the article, it appeared that most of the attendees were tween girls... And there were plenty of references to parents being there too. One reference even said that a mother, father and daughter "camped out" so they could be near the front. They also fail. As adults, be freaking civil, you're supposed to be examples. I'm willing to bet that a lot of the fighting was between the adults...
I also say take the laptop. I took mine with me to France, and it ended up being quite useful. I found it much easier to find free wireless cafes than kiosks (ok.. yes.. it's Paris so there was a cafe every 5 steps).
Also, it helped me find things in the city that I found out about while on vacation.
If only I could've found a way to stop going to google.fr....
Well, if it's the former, Google has its own "Do no evil" thing that they're supposed to abide by.
This whole story irritates me. Microsoft is employing the whole, "If you can't beat them, find some way to leverage your stockpiles of cash to manipulate the market." If Bing really is a better search engine, people will start using it. Let it compete on its merits.
Every company that files for a ridiculous patent is supporting the broken patent system.
Come on people, pay attention. Google is a company no different from Microsoft or Boeing.
I say that Google is very different from Microsoft and Boeing. Boeing doesn't make phones (unless I totally missed something), and Microsoft gets most of its business from software. Google's main business is helping you find stuff. Plus, who are you to say what they intent to do with what they file?
The author notes that, in practice, the patent office has tended to only use other patents in their review. When Google gets a patent like this it (hopefully) ensures that the USPTO will review this material in the future. Also, there is a fee for terminating the patent afterward. Why pay the fee if you're not planning on enforcing? Let's see if they pay the renewal fee in four or so years.
As for your statement on the ridiculous patent.. Yes it is. I also think that maybe, *maybe* Google did this as a demonstration and got one over on the patent office? I found it kinda funny.
Well... yea. Although I might amend it to IEBKAC - Ignorance Exists Between Keyboard and Chair.
I mean, they knew enough to jailbreak their iPhone, and installed SSH, and didn't set a proper root password... The best part is that they even got a wake up call in the form of the Astley worm... Speaking of which... I consider seeing Rick as an iPhone background fairly malicious, so I'll correct the summary.
(j/k Rick, thank you for having a good sense of humor about all this.:D)
I think what the article is really asking is what's a good model to start all this stuff. You're looking at one or two servers per location (or maybe even network appliances at remote sites).
I totally agree with your premise. In my experience taking something that appears to work (when you realize you've really just been lucky) requires some time to bring about the change that the business really needs.
Now, as for having two servers per location, that heavily depends on how those sites are connected. Are they using a dedicated line or a VPN? That's important since that'll affect what hardware needs to be located where. It's possible (even if unlikely) that some sites would only need a VPN appliance... But since the poster seems to want general advice:
VMWare ESXi is a pretty good starting place for getting going on virtualization. I've had a great experience with it for testing. When you feel like you've got a good handle, get the ESX licenses.
If SAN isn't in your budget, I still recommend some sort of external storage for the critical stuff... Preferably replicated to another site... But you can run the OS on local storage, especially in the early stages. But you'll need to get everything onto external storage to implement the VMotion services and instant failover. Get a good feel for P2V conversion. It'll save you tons of time when it works... It doesn't always, but that's why you'll always test, test and test.
As for the basic services you stated above (www, ftp, email, dns, firewall, dhcp): Firewall (IMHO) is best done on appliance. Which should be anywhere you have an internet connection coming in. I'm sure you knew that already, but I'm trying to be thorough. Email is usually going to be on its own instance (guest, cluster, whatever)... But I find that including it in the virtualization strategy has been quite alright. In fact, my experience with virtualization has been quite good except when there is a specific hardware requirement for an application (a custom card, or something like that). USB has been much less of a headcache since VMWare has support for it now, but there are also network based USB adapters (example: USBAnywhere) that provide a port for guest OSes in case you don't use VMWare.
what kind of a comment is that? Global warning has been debated so hotly it would be wonderful to see data that doesn't have a hand driven one way or the other by government. Those of us who aren't global warming specialists don't know what to believe other than to be concerned. implying that this person has a part of it is like saying that someone is interested in politics. Like it or not, these types of things involve every person on the planet, so, you know , everyone's interested.
I personally don't know what any of the truths are (note: I don't expect to be swayed completely in either direction by anyone posting here). But I think something's lost in all of this.
I don't know if humans are causing global warming... But if I emit less, and pollute the air less, I get to breathe cleaner air right? Also, how about we think about reducing energy usage to save on the energy bill?
That's good enough for me. I don't need to hear that we're destroying the environment (or not, or frankly whatever). I like paying less often at the pump, and I like not spending as much a month on my electric/gas bill. I also don't mind separating my trash.
Maybe I should've just said, "Can't we all just get along?"
Besides, since when has IE depended on "industry standards?" Before someone goes and marks me as a troll, or flamebait, or whatever, IE is the only browser that supports ActiveX, and ASP.... By design.
And there are plenty of web developers out there that have depended on it for years... so much so that newer editions of IE that provide "better security" require a compatibility view for some of those sites to render properly.
- You don't know what this has to do with UN policy, it could be a cautious guard that doesn't want anyone rocking the boat during the group. Seems decently reasonable.
Not rocking the boat would likely involve not making a scene such as this. In fact, the net effect is that more attention was drawn to the Great Firewall.
- I saw no other posters at the convention. The poster could have been wildly inappropriate. If I went to a dinner about abortion methods for doctors where the topic was to discuss efficient safe methods. And I brought a big ass jesus loves your baby poster to the event it sure as hell would get taken down.
It's possible that the poster was making a stir. I (obviously) don't know what it said, so we'll leave the inappropriate option out there. But in the example, the big ass Jesus poster would probably be left alone at an event like that. Granted... If they took down the Jesus poster, then the backlash and the PR that could be generated from that would be much worse... See this whole incident as an example.
- Maybe the guard was an idiot... Who knocks a poster onto the floor? Taking it away makes sense, so fine do that. But the fact that the guy knocked it onto the floor hints that he was a bit of a nutter. Which would point to him not being the absolute representative of the UN.
He was UN security that was called in after a request to remove the poster. There was someone who thought it was a bad idea to criticize the Great Firewall. I'll concur that the guard was an idiot... Unless he decided that he wanted to make a scene, in which case he was quite effective.
- Do try to apply occam's razor. Anyone else want to play devils advocate with me. The raw emotional responses on/. are a bit worrisome. Lets not all jump to conclusions out of how bad this COULD be.
I do. And I think that the UN's on edge with China, especially lately. Riling them up isn't considered a good idea. I also wouldn't be surprised if the UN thought, "Oh crap, the Chinese are going to spit fire on us if they see it."
The GF is considered a great example of not allowing information to be free. I think that many of us on here find that simple fact quite offensive. I also find it not surprising that many of us react so emotionally because we have this image of over a billion people being lied to constantly on the part of their government. I personally react the way I do because I don't want that to happen to me.
As for whether or not it is already... I'm not going there.
Or, you could argue that the current free alternatives are only that way until the software audit hits.
I totally sympathize with the poster though. You either have to fix the situation, or get out before someone fixes you. It's not a matter of if, but when.
A lot of people applaud OS X for it's great interface, and these same people then bash MS for admitting that they let it influence their design!
It's pretty simple - implemented it first and brought it home. Microsoft copied it, and I don't think they added anything to it.
See, it has more to do with the fact that this is the latest instance of Microsoft implementing something that they didn't design, selling something that appears to be blatantly stolen, and claiming it as their own. DOS was bought from someone. Windows was taken from numerous someones. The Office suite was created as a response to Lotus, WordPerfect and others. And we all know how Microsoft has defended it's position in the marketplace (that whole anti-competitive thing).
Add that to the fact it took Microsoft almost 10 years to have their design "influenced." If Microsoft said, "Look, we missed the boat on this taskbar idea. It's a great design and we'll be implementing something similar." I think there would still be grumblings, but not with the same level of sarcasm.
I'm curious how 'anonymous reader' knows that Microsoft is doing nothing to fix the problem. This has been bugging me for a long time. Its possible that a workable solution could take some time to get implemented, and in that time, doesn't it make sense to send a C&D letter in the interim? Hell, doesn't it make sense to send the letter anyways, so you don't have all these assholes trying to break your system?
A C&D letter doesn't mean that other actions haven't been taken. Just a thought.
Obviously it's implied. But I think it's a reasonable implication. 1) If it was identified already as a problem on Microsoft's side, I don't think they would've gone through all the work to build the system as such. Their documentation indicated that this is how they suggest you setup your transaction. That tells me they thought they had a complete implementation and design. 2) Is there any indication in the C&D that corrective measures are being taken (other than squelching the whistle-blower)?
Microsoft is working their Bing campaign hard. I'm seeing ads for it everywhere. I've got a feeling there are at least some folks who will try it out, and maybe even like it. Oh, and if you ever go to Microsoft.com and try searching for anything you're using Bing.
There's a reasonable chance that you'll eventually accidentally use Bing.
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...see the Eighth Amendment of the US constitution
What is this "Constitution?" And if it's so important, why does it have amendments?
Signed,
The PATRIOT Act, DMCA, the RIAA, and the courts.
Based on the replies below, I think we've come to a solid consensus... It's option 1.
IMHO 1 in 4 children are copiously ridiculed, harassed, and are treated poorly... I'd even argue that some arguments here can get downright mean... And yet, here we are every day.
If someone takes the trolling and flaming as bullying, they've been bullied. They can learn to live with it, or they can go somewhere else.
Please go to the "a new hole in IE8" article.
And if you're looking for the article to *read* it... yes, you are new here.
As long as you have UAC enabled... Implying that you have Vista or Windows 7.
No no no... I think he's on to something there.
I guess not, since that's what these folks put together.
Seriously though, it's my experience that there aren't too many people out there writing much with concurrency and SMP in mind to start with. I'm not sure how they did it, but if they can bring parallelism to another method of programming, then fine by me. The more people get used to utilizing the multiple cores available to them, the better IMHO.
I read the article, and then followed up by going to the linked Newsday article... I saw no such reference.
Can you please provide a link so we can verify that?
Agreed. The crowd was out of hand before the record folks even showed up. The mall security, and the local authorities failed, and then decided to blame someone else for it.
The next thing is: In the article, it appeared that most of the attendees were tween girls... And there were plenty of references to parents being there too. One reference even said that a mother, father and daughter "camped out" so they could be near the front. They also fail. As adults, be freaking civil, you're supposed to be examples. I'm willing to bet that a lot of the fighting was between the adults...
I also say take the laptop. I took mine with me to France, and it ended up being quite useful. I found it much easier to find free wireless cafes than kiosks (ok.. yes.. it's Paris so there was a cafe every 5 steps).
Also, it helped me find things in the city that I found out about while on vacation.
If only I could've found a way to stop going to google.fr....
Well, if it's the former, Google has its own "Do no evil" thing that they're supposed to abide by.
This whole story irritates me. Microsoft is employing the whole, "If you can't beat them, find some way to leverage your stockpiles of cash to manipulate the market." If Bing really is a better search engine, people will start using it. Let it compete on its merits.
Every company that files for a ridiculous patent is supporting the broken patent system.
Come on people, pay attention. Google is a company no different from Microsoft or Boeing.
I say that Google is very different from Microsoft and Boeing. Boeing doesn't make phones (unless I totally missed something), and Microsoft gets most of its business from software. Google's main business is helping you find stuff. Plus, who are you to say what they intent to do with what they file?
I know it's kinda poor to use wikipedia as a source, but here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain#Patent
The author notes that, in practice, the patent office has tended to only use other patents in their review. When Google gets a patent like this it (hopefully) ensures that the USPTO will review this material in the future. Also, there is a fee for terminating the patent afterward. Why pay the fee if you're not planning on enforcing? Let's see if they pay the renewal fee in four or so years.
As for your statement on the ridiculous patent.. Yes it is. I also think that maybe, *maybe* Google did this as a demonstration and got one over on the patent office? I found it kinda funny.
Well... yea. Although I might amend it to IEBKAC - Ignorance Exists Between Keyboard and Chair.
I mean, they knew enough to jailbreak their iPhone, and installed SSH, and didn't set a proper root password... The best part is that they even got a wake up call in the form of the Astley worm... Speaking of which... I consider seeing Rick as an iPhone background fairly malicious, so I'll correct the summary.
(j/k Rick, thank you for having a good sense of humor about all this. :D)
I think what the article is really asking is what's a good model to start all this stuff. You're looking at one or two servers per location (or maybe even network appliances at remote sites).
I totally agree with your premise. In my experience taking something that appears to work (when you realize you've really just been lucky) requires some time to bring about the change that the business really needs.
Now, as for having two servers per location, that heavily depends on how those sites are connected. Are they using a dedicated line or a VPN? That's important since that'll affect what hardware needs to be located where. It's possible (even if unlikely) that some sites would only need a VPN appliance... But since the poster seems to want general advice:
VMWare ESXi is a pretty good starting place for getting going on virtualization. I've had a great experience with it for testing. When you feel like you've got a good handle, get the ESX licenses.
If SAN isn't in your budget, I still recommend some sort of external storage for the critical stuff... Preferably replicated to another site... But you can run the OS on local storage, especially in the early stages. But you'll need to get everything onto external storage to implement the VMotion services and instant failover. Get a good feel for P2V conversion. It'll save you tons of time when it works... It doesn't always, but that's why you'll always test, test and test.
As for the basic services you stated above (www, ftp, email, dns, firewall, dhcp):
Firewall (IMHO) is best done on appliance. Which should be anywhere you have an internet connection coming in. I'm sure you knew that already, but I'm trying to be thorough.
Email is usually going to be on its own instance (guest, cluster, whatever)... But I find that including it in the virtualization strategy has been quite alright. In fact, my experience with virtualization has been quite good except when there is a specific hardware requirement for an application (a custom card, or something like that). USB has been much less of a headcache since VMWare has support for it now, but there are also network based USB adapters (example: USBAnywhere) that provide a port for guest OSes in case you don't use VMWare.
You're planning on *not* getting really drunk for 3 more years? That's gotta be a killer party you're planning.
I plan on getting really drunk as soon as I can get myself to the corner liquor store (and home safely).
That or: "Bwwwwoooooooowwwwwww"
Or is that an anti-global-warming bias? I don't know anymore....
what kind of a comment is that? Global warning has been debated so hotly it would be wonderful to see data that doesn't have a hand driven one way or the other by government. Those of us who aren't global warming specialists don't know what to believe other than to be concerned. implying that this person has a part of it is like saying that someone is interested in politics. Like it or not, these types of things involve every person on the planet, so, you know , everyone's interested.
I personally don't know what any of the truths are (note: I don't expect to be swayed completely in either direction by anyone posting here). But I think something's lost in all of this.
I don't know if humans are causing global warming... But if I emit less, and pollute the air less, I get to breathe cleaner air right? Also, how about we think about reducing energy usage to save on the energy bill?
That's good enough for me. I don't need to hear that we're destroying the environment (or not, or frankly whatever). I like paying less often at the pump, and I like not spending as much a month on my electric/gas bill. I also don't mind separating my trash.
Maybe I should've just said, "Can't we all just get along?"
Besides, since when has IE depended on "industry standards?" Before someone goes and marks me as a troll, or flamebait, or whatever, IE is the only browser that supports ActiveX, and ASP.... By design.
And there are plenty of web developers out there that have depended on it for years... so much so that newer editions of IE that provide "better security" require a compatibility view for some of those sites to render properly.
They don't tend to pray that hurricanes decide to change direction to avoid them... So I say no.
Location. Location. Location.
- You don't know what this has to do with UN policy, it could be a cautious guard that doesn't want anyone rocking the boat during the group. Seems decently reasonable.
Not rocking the boat would likely involve not making a scene such as this. In fact, the net effect is that more attention was drawn to the Great Firewall.
- I saw no other posters at the convention. The poster could have been wildly inappropriate. If I went to a dinner about abortion methods for doctors where the topic was to discuss efficient safe methods. And I brought a big ass jesus loves your baby poster to the event it sure as hell would get taken down.
It's possible that the poster was making a stir. I (obviously) don't know what it said, so we'll leave the inappropriate option out there. But in the example, the big ass Jesus poster would probably be left alone at an event like that. Granted... If they took down the Jesus poster, then the backlash and the PR that could be generated from that would be much worse... See this whole incident as an example.
- Maybe the guard was an idiot... Who knocks a poster onto the floor? Taking it away makes sense, so fine do that. But the fact that the guy knocked it onto the floor hints that he was a bit of a nutter. Which would point to him not being the absolute representative of the UN.
He was UN security that was called in after a request to remove the poster. There was someone who thought it was a bad idea to criticize the Great Firewall. I'll concur that the guard was an idiot... Unless he decided that he wanted to make a scene, in which case he was quite effective.
- Do try to apply occam's razor. /. are a bit worrisome. Lets not all jump to conclusions out of how bad this COULD be.
Anyone else want to play devils advocate with me. The raw emotional responses on
I do. And I think that the UN's on edge with China, especially lately. Riling them up isn't considered a good idea. I also wouldn't be surprised if the UN thought, "Oh crap, the Chinese are going to spit fire on us if they see it."
The GF is considered a great example of not allowing information to be free. I think that many of us on here find that simple fact quite offensive. I also find it not surprising that many of us react so emotionally because we have this image of over a billion people being lied to constantly on the part of their government. I personally react the way I do because I don't want that to happen to me.
As for whether or not it is already... I'm not going there.
Free *& legal* alternatives then.
Or, you could argue that the current free alternatives are only that way until the software audit hits.
I totally sympathize with the poster though. You either have to fix the situation, or get out before someone fixes you. It's not a matter of if, but when.
A lot of people applaud OS X for it's great interface, and these same people then bash MS for admitting that they let it influence their design!
It's pretty simple - implemented it first and brought it home. Microsoft copied it, and I don't think they added anything to it.
See, it has more to do with the fact that this is the latest instance of Microsoft implementing something that they didn't design, selling something that appears to be blatantly stolen, and claiming it as their own. DOS was bought from someone. Windows was taken from numerous someones. The Office suite was created as a response to Lotus, WordPerfect and others. And we all know how Microsoft has defended it's position in the marketplace (that whole anti-competitive thing).
Add that to the fact it took Microsoft almost 10 years to have their design "influenced." If Microsoft said, "Look, we missed the boat on this taskbar idea. It's a great design and we'll be implementing something similar." I think there would still be grumblings, but not with the same level of sarcasm.
I'm curious how 'anonymous reader' knows that Microsoft is doing nothing to fix the problem. This has been bugging me for a long time. Its possible that a workable solution could take some time to get implemented, and in that time, doesn't it make sense to send a C&D letter in the interim? Hell, doesn't it make sense to send the letter anyways, so you don't have all these assholes trying to break your system?
A C&D letter doesn't mean that other actions haven't been taken. Just a thought.
Obviously it's implied. But I think it's a reasonable implication.
1) If it was identified already as a problem on Microsoft's side, I don't think they would've gone through all the work to build the system as such. Their documentation indicated that this is how they suggest you setup your transaction. That tells me they thought they had a complete implementation and design.
2) Is there any indication in the C&D that corrective measures are being taken (other than squelching the whistle-blower)?
All suspects are guilty. Period. Otherwise they wouldn't be suspects, would they? -Troops
Microsoft is working their Bing campaign hard. I'm seeing ads for it everywhere. I've got a feeling there are at least some folks who will try it out, and maybe even like it. Oh, and if you ever go to Microsoft.com and try searching for anything you're using Bing. There's a reasonable chance that you'll eventually accidentally use Bing.