Looks like the Washington Post cited a slashdot user's post. I wonder if the user's permission was given and if not, whether this will yield the same upheaval from Katz doing the same thing.
Hmm...
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I'm once again disappointed in the moderators. This isn't a troll. It's utter bullshit, but it's not a troll. Anyway...
I could understand smaller bands sueing napster, because they may very well be taking money from a band that has very little if no following to begin with.
Yeah. And if they have so little, just how the hell do you expect them to sue Napster? I don't know too many lawyers that work for the warm fuzzies. (Actually, I don't know any lawyers, and consider myself fortunate.)
However Selloutica, and Dr. Dre are QUITE established and have money to wipe their asses with thousand dollar bills! They are the last people who should be worring about losing money!
Typical narrow-minded view. One possible reason is that they're concerned about losing money, but that doesn't make much sense, now, does it? Some other possibilities:
They remember what it's like to wipe with toilet paper instead of thousand dollar bills. They might have some sympathy for those musicians that are doomed to a life of Charmin (or worse yet, that cardboard you find in public bathrooms... ouch...).
They just might be trying to help out those toilet-paper-using musicians because they have the money and forum to do so.
They are trying to protect their work and the law. Don't forget that it's a law. If you want to break it, that's fine. But shut the hell up about it.
Especially when the majority of the public doesn't even know what an mp3 is.
Change to "majority of the public with heads up asses for the last 6 months" and your statement might hold water.
CD sales have been astronomical over the past year, and yet they still complain!
I said it before. Album sales are up for the same reason they always go up. Don't feed me that "I'm sampling music and buying the CD" bullshit. Album sales always increase, and might be just a little higher if people weren't pirating music.
Anyone got a spare thousand dollar bill? I need to wipe this guy's post off my screen.
The "mass media" isn't catching on. They're finding cute little articles about the "other" OS on a website about the "other" OS and linking to them.
I agree the exposure is good. But I doubt that Microsoft is batting an eyelash about this. If you think they are, I have a nice piece of the Golden Gate with your name on it.
OT: By the way, I wish moderators would start knocking down those who post replies to first post trolls in order to gain visibility. It's blatant karma whoring, annoying as all hell, and not much better than the trolls themselves.
At the end of my story, I mentioned that the content was nothing new to anyone here. I thought the interesting part was that it was posted in a high-profile place such as cnn.com, which likely has a more diverse readership (OS-wise) than LinuxWorld or slashdot.
I am pretty tech-savvy and have seen code in VB, Pascal, C and C++ as far as I can see they are all pretty much the same.
Someone who thinks that those languages are pretty much the same is quite accurately described as "tech-savvy". You probably also use terms like "e-anything", right?
You have procedures(functions, methods)
procedure != function
objects (structs, etc)
object != struct
Anything you can do in one language you can do in another, likewise the same goes for editors.
BWAAHH!!! That was great. If you could do anything in any language, there would only be one language. Each language has its high points: Pascal is easy to learn, C++ is very powerful but harder to learn, and yes, even VB has a plus -- you can get a full-fledged application up and running in no time flat. No mention about quality or speed of said application.
Ok, so emacs is more extensible than vi, but is it really so different?
Yes, it is. You're trying to reduce a decade-plus-old debate to people just wanting to be seen as "gurus" (another term that "tech-savvy" people use). Get real.
I personally like vi. I don't need syntax highlighting because I know what I type. I need to edit files when emacs isn't available and I don't want to learn two editors. But other people have their reasons for liking emacs better, and I understand that.
People have their preferences, plain and simple. Go use Visual Studio like all the tech-savvy gurus if you want. No one will complain.
Perhaps you might feel differently if I told you that at one time, someone accidentally ran across images that you might consider "inappropriate" and that's why I was tasked to do this. The images just happened to be of children. Sans clothing. My point is that the goal isn't always making sure employees are "behaving professionally", it's sometimes to make sure they aren't "committing a felony".
That said, thanks for your little corporate outlook bullshit. I would far prefer competent creative employees doing their job all the time. And if you call me a self-righteous prick for doing my job, you need an attitude adjustment.
If you couldn't care less how your employees spend their time, I pity the fool that gave you hire power.
I used to work for a contractor in a "national lab." Your rights as far as the computers in this lab, are the same as they are in any other company: non-existant. The employer owns the systems and the networks, and what they say goes. You can refuse and log off -- that's fine. It just might make it hard to do your job.
As far as I'm concerned, this is one of those things that hurts only the guilty. If you're doing your job, (i.e. not writing personal/inflammatory mail, downloading pr0n, reading/.) this does nothing to you. If you're simply doing what you are supposed to, whoever is intercepting/monitoring/recording you will simply see you doing your job.
Fortunately, at the lab I worked at, I was the one doing said intercepting/monitoring/recording. I once ran a script that traversed every user's.netscape/cache/* directory and dropped into a single directory a symlink to all the image files. I would up with a few thousand links to image files, then let xv thumbnail them for me to browse them easily. Let me tell you, it's quite interesting what you can find.
Do what you're being paid to do, and nothing else, and you have no reason to be paranoid.
Since you guys have the influence to make major changes in the music industry, will you use the current publicity to promote transfer of digital music that preserves artists' copyrights?
[...] just where does the Bosstone's royalty money from my CD purchase go?
Some of it goes into their pocket. Less of it than would have if other people -- those who don't care about the "full quality" and songs they couldn't find an mp3 for -- would have bought the CD like you did.
If "the artist gets squat" where does the money I'll pay for admission next time I see them live go?
I love it when people ask this question. Where does this money go? Lots of places. Ever see all those guys that run around backstage and hand the band freshly-tuned guitars? The guy that runs the lights? The guy that drives the truck that holds the lights? The guy that drives the bus that carries the guitar tuner buy and the lights guy? They get paid. They eat food. They drink beer. They sleep in hotels. How, exactly, do you think this all gets paid for? This isn't to mention the lights, guitars, and busses themselves... worst yet, Ticketmaster...
Obviously, none of that money goes to the Bosstones, because, as you say, when you download MP3s, "the artist gets squat".
When you download the mp3s, the band makes money from you being a genuine fan and doing all the things you mentioned. You can't honestly tell me that you think that everyone who downloads mp3s that are illegal (which yours are not since you now own the CD) does the same.
Yes, this is a generalization, but one that I feel is accurate: A majority of people who download illegal mp3s will never support the artist in any way, shape, or form. Explain to me how this is fair.
Creating a copy of something you own legally is in no way illegal. Making mp3s from a CD you own is no less legal than burning a copy of it.
Its innovations like Napster that force the price down!
Sorry to plagiarize, but this is ridiculous - why didn't LP prices drop over a period of ten years in the 70's? It's innovations like audio cassettes that forced the price of LPs down!
Do you get it yet? Napster isn't having that much of an effect on album sales. Go ahead and say it: "...but CD sales are going up, maybe because people are downloading songs from Napster and want the original copy, so they're going and buying the CD!!" Bullshit. Most people that use Napster wouldn't buy the CD otherwise. The reason album sales are up is the same reason they always go up.
When did Metallica CDs cost more or less than others???
They do cost more right now. You just don't know where to look for CDs that cost less. You don't have to buy everything from a major label, you know. And perhaps more importantly, the size of the label isn't necessarily proportional to the talent of the artists on that label.
I just love it when websites have "actual size" pics. Sometimes -- like today -- when my eyes get tired or I feel like sitting far away from my screen, I run 800x600 on my 21" monitor. I sure hope that pic isn't the actual size of this thing.
Goody for you. It's great that you have that opportunity. You make it seem like it's so simple for someone to just go out and choose to not have one of these prideless jobs.
I'm not painting myself as someone who didn't have it relatively easy -- my college education was paid for by scholarships in part, but mostly by my extremely hard-working parents. Neither one of them made very much money at the time, and my tuition was a good piece of their income. After recently graduating, I make more than either one of them by a large margin. My fiance and I make more than my parents ever did, and we don't have a house and 2 kids. And your guess is wrong: I do know someone with one of those jobs: my father. He's been a blue-collar worker since he graduated from high school. And let me tell you first-hand: he works harder than you ever will. Yes, I have it easy. But I, unlike you, realize that people make sacrifices for it to be so.
I'm not sure what level of education you have, plan to have, or how it's being funded, but here's a little reality check for you. A whole lot more goes into someone's career pick than choice. Your upbringing, social status, and finances play a large part in where you end up in life. If you're dealt a shitty hand, it's much more difficult than saying "I adamently [sic] refuse to sit in this little job." Maybe that little job doesn't have honor (like what you do does), but unfortunately that's what's necessary to pay the bills. And let me tell you, people doing 40-50+ years of work they hate to support their families carries a great deal of honor in my book. Certainly more honor than someone like you who says, "I'm not going to wind up in a prideless little job like you."
If you have so much insight, why don't you go outside and look around and see that "these people" with "those jobs" make it possible for you to live your life the way you do. You don't have to honor them or go pat them on the back, but judging and looking down on them as lesser people with no pride makes you look like a fucking asshole.
By the way, if you ever find yourself in need of any cyanide, drop me a line.
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I'm waiting...
Hmm...
I could understand smaller bands sueing napster, because they may very well be taking money from a band that has very little if no following to begin with.
Yeah. And if they have so little, just how the hell do you expect them to sue Napster? I don't know too many lawyers that work for the warm fuzzies. (Actually, I don't know any lawyers, and consider myself fortunate.)
However Selloutica, and Dr. Dre are QUITE established and have money to wipe their asses with thousand dollar bills! They are the last people who should be worring about losing money!
Typical narrow-minded view. One possible reason is that they're concerned about losing money, but that doesn't make much sense, now, does it? Some other possibilities:
Especially when the majority of the public doesn't even know what an mp3 is.
Change to "majority of the public with heads up asses for the last 6 months" and your statement might hold water.
CD sales have been astronomical over the past year, and yet they still complain!
I said it before. Album sales are up for the same reason they always go up. Don't feed me that "I'm sampling music and buying the CD" bullshit. Album sales always increase, and might be just a little higher if people weren't pirating music.
Anyone got a spare thousand dollar bill? I need to wipe this guy's post off my screen.
I agree the exposure is good. But I doubt that Microsoft is batting an eyelash about this. If you think they are, I have a nice piece of the Golden Gate with your name on it.
OT: By the way, I wish moderators would start knocking down those who post replies to first post trolls in order to gain visibility. It's blatant karma whoring, annoying as all hell, and not much better than the trolls themselves.
That was the story, in my book.
They already have:
$ su -
Password:
# rpm --install myprog.rpm
# ^D
Now when enough people start using it...
2000-05-10 13:48:13 Linux users unnaffected by ILOVEYOU "virus" (articles,news) (rejected)
Fast site. Popular site. Good site. Pick one.
Appropriate, I think.
from the can't-they-spell-"louise"-right? dept.
technology* t = new technology();
while ( companies_copy(t) )
{
if ( strcmp (company_that_copied_technology, "Microsoft") )
{
continue;
}
else
{
submit_to_slashdot();
bitch_and_moan();
}
}
/. is mentioned early on in the article. I wonder if it was openacs'ed.
Someone who thinks that those languages are pretty much the same is quite accurately described as "tech-savvy". You probably also use terms like "e-anything", right?
You have procedures(functions, methods)
procedure != function
objects (structs, etc)
object != struct
Anything you can do in one language you can do in another, likewise the same goes for editors.
BWAAHH!!! That was great. If you could do anything in any language, there would only be one language. Each language has its high points: Pascal is easy to learn, C++ is very powerful but harder to learn, and yes, even VB has a plus -- you can get a full-fledged application up and running in no time flat. No mention about quality or speed of said application.
Ok, so emacs is more extensible than vi, but is it really so different?
Yes, it is. You're trying to reduce a decade-plus-old debate to people just wanting to be seen as "gurus" (another term that "tech-savvy" people use). Get real.
I personally like vi. I don't need syntax highlighting because I know what I type. I need to edit files when emacs isn't available and I don't want to learn two editors. But other people have their reasons for liking emacs better, and I understand that.
People have their preferences, plain and simple. Go use Visual Studio like all the tech-savvy gurus if you want. No one will complain.
That said, thanks for your little corporate outlook bullshit. I would far prefer competent creative employees doing their job all the time. And if you call me a self-righteous prick for doing my job, you need an attitude adjustment.
If you couldn't care less how your employees spend their time, I pity the fool that gave you hire power.
As far as I'm concerned, this is one of those things that hurts only the guilty. If you're doing your job, (i.e. not writing personal/inflammatory mail, downloading pr0n, reading /.) this does nothing to you. If you're simply doing what you are supposed to, whoever is intercepting/monitoring/recording you will simply see you doing your job.
Fortunately, at the lab I worked at, I was the one doing said intercepting/monitoring/recording. I once ran a script that traversed every user's .netscape/cache/* directory and dropped into a single directory a symlink to all the image files. I would up with a few thousand links to image files, then let xv thumbnail them for me to browse them easily. Let me tell you, it's quite interesting what you can find.
Do what you're being paid to do, and nothing else, and you have no reason to be paranoid.
Since you guys have the influence to make major changes in the music industry, will you use the current publicity to promote transfer of digital music that preserves artists' copyrights?
And to think, some of the West coast is still sleeping soundly in their beds. What a day they're in for.
I'll stick with procmail and elm, thank you.
* Subject:.*ILOVEYOU
Yes they did. Just like the original poster said that innovations like Napster will bring the price of CDs down.
Get it? :)
Uh huh. Sure. Did mp3.com know this when they bought and encoded mp3s from 45,000 CDs and gave their users access to them through my.mp3.com?
Perhaps you should inform them that they have their "rights" confused.
The poster hasn't yet answered, so I will.
[...] just where does the Bosstone's royalty money from my CD purchase go?
Some of it goes into their pocket. Less of it than would have if other people -- those who don't care about the "full quality" and songs they couldn't find an mp3 for -- would have bought the CD like you did.
If "the artist gets squat" where does the money I'll pay for admission next time I see them live go?
I love it when people ask this question. Where does this money go? Lots of places. Ever see all those guys that run around backstage and hand the band freshly-tuned guitars? The guy that runs the lights? The guy that drives the truck that holds the lights? The guy that drives the bus that carries the guitar tuner buy and the lights guy? They get paid. They eat food. They drink beer. They sleep in hotels. How, exactly, do you think this all gets paid for? This isn't to mention the lights, guitars, and busses themselves... worst yet, Ticketmaster...
Obviously, none of that money goes to the Bosstones, because, as you say, when you download MP3s, "the artist gets squat".
When you download the mp3s, the band makes money from you being a genuine fan and doing all the things you mentioned. You can't honestly tell me that you think that everyone who downloads mp3s that are illegal (which yours are not since you now own the CD) does the same.
Yes, this is a generalization, but one that I feel is accurate: A majority of people who download illegal mp3s will never support the artist in any way, shape, or form. Explain to me how this is fair.
So just where DOES the money go?
There IS no money, so it doesn't go anywhere.
I'm waiting.
You can stop.
Creating a copy of something you own legally is in no way illegal. Making mp3s from a CD you own is no less legal than burning a copy of it.
Its innovations like Napster that force the price down!
Sorry to plagiarize, but this is ridiculous - why didn't LP prices drop over a period of ten years in the 70's? It's innovations like audio cassettes that forced the price of LPs down!
Do you get it yet? Napster isn't having that much of an effect on album sales. Go ahead and say it: "...but CD sales are going up, maybe because people are downloading songs from Napster and want the original copy, so they're going and buying the CD!!" Bullshit. Most people that use Napster wouldn't buy the CD otherwise. The reason album sales are up is the same reason they always go up.
When did Metallica CDs cost more or less than others???
They do cost more right now. You just don't know where to look for CDs that cost less. You don't have to buy everything from a major label, you know. And perhaps more importantly, the size of the label isn't necessarily proportional to the talent of the artists on that label.
I just love it when websites have "actual size" pics. Sometimes -- like today -- when my eyes get tired or I feel like sitting far away from my screen, I run 800x600 on my 21" monitor. I sure hope that pic isn't the actual size of this thing.
You walk around Karma St. in lustful search of Signal 11 and slashdot-terminal.
Use the preview button, Luke.
I'm not painting myself as someone who didn't have it relatively easy -- my college education was paid for by scholarships in part, but mostly by my extremely hard-working parents. Neither one of them made very much money at the time, and my tuition was a good piece of their income. After recently graduating, I make more than either one of them by a large margin. My fiance and I make more than my parents ever did, and we don't have a house and 2 kids. And your guess is wrong: I do know someone with one of those jobs: my father. He's been a blue-collar worker since he graduated from high school. And let me tell you first-hand: he works harder than you ever will. Yes, I have it easy. But I, unlike you, realize that people make sacrifices for it to be so.
I'm not sure what level of education you have, plan to have, or how it's being funded, but here's a little reality check for you. A whole lot more goes into someone's career pick than choice. Your upbringing, social status, and finances play a large part in where you end up in life. If you're dealt a shitty hand, it's much more difficult than saying "I adamently [sic] refuse to sit in this little job." Maybe that little job doesn't have honor (like what you do does), but unfortunately that's what's necessary to pay the bills. And let me tell you, people doing 40-50+ years of work they hate to support their families carries a great deal of honor in my book. Certainly more honor than someone like you who says, "I'm not going to wind up in a prideless little job like you."
If you have so much insight, why don't you go outside and look around and see that "these people" with "those jobs" make it possible for you to live your life the way you do. You don't have to honor them or go pat them on the back, but judging and looking down on them as lesser people with no pride makes you look like a fucking asshole.
By the way, if you ever find yourself in need of any cyanide, drop me a line.
The actual secret message is:
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