This is why sys admins exist and why we are paid rather well.
The post you replied to was mostly speaking of business use. You're right on that note.
But what about at home, where the users are the administrators? For common problems, buttons are less intimidating to than config files. Your wife has it easy -- you admin the system for her. What if you weren't there to do it?
remember that bands like Phish and the Dead encourage their fans to tape their live performances and swap them with other fans.
While this is true, I doubt that this type of usage is significant. With the spread of consumer CDR units, a large focus is placed on trading quality recordings. In fact, those who tape shows of a band I listen to specifically request that their recordings not be encoded into mp3 due to the lack of quality.
People have been trading live shows since long before napster was around. I bet it has had little impact on most people interested in enough to become involved.
he says "this other guy misused the numbers to say linux was the most insecure os in the world."
in the same breath, he says "since linux has less than nt, you can't use these numbers to say linux is less secure than nt." using the numbers to say that linux is not less secure than, and therefore more secure than nt.
i know the abc guy's article was a farce; this is far worse.
i just dial my isp and make the squealing sounds and static myself. i can static so good that the webserver on the other end won't send me the sounds of the banner ads.
come on. beating your head against the wall because other people think you're cool isn't a very good reason.
just an observation: if this thing had the regular rearview mirrors instead of being "tricked out" with lcd screens, it probably wouldn't need that stupid windmill.
Something similar happened to my fiance just a month ago.
She recently started as a chemist for a very prominent research organization with many high-dollar government contracts.
About a month after she started, she was called in to the HR office for an unknown reason. They proceeded to accost her for checking the "no" box on the "have you ever been convicted..." question on the application. Turns out she was convicted of DUI, according to "her" criminal record. Funny considering we weren't even in the state on the day in question.
She adamantly denied it and returned to work. An hour later she was escorted off the premisis and placed on suspension while they "cleared the matter up." Turns out it was a free vacation day. 3PM the next day, they called her and told her they pulled a record with the same name and different SSN. She wasn't happy. I was infuriated.
Repeated demands for an apology from those involved just got replies telling her that it wasn't a big deal and that she wasn't embarrassed. I managed to get her worked up enough that she got an apointment with the head of HR for this company, whose office was next door to the CEO's. Finally he apoligized on behalf of the whole HR department. The disturbing thing is that he said it happens all the time. My question is, if it took them so little time to clear up, wouldn't you think to do that before accusing someone? With the degree of accuracy her job demands, one would expect a reasonable amount from the company's supporting departments.
I realize this isn't the same because her record was correct, they just got the wrong one. But it goes to show what can happen when any link in this critical chain is weak.
Funny enough, there was a big debate over a year ago on whether you should use $|++ rather than $| = 1. Turns out that most people agreed you shouldn't. It's probably on deja.com somewhere, but I'm too tired to look for it.
I agree. It's wrong to go after the owners of the systems that illegally distribute mp3s with Napster instead of the owners of the mp3s themselves...
Wait a minute... hmm...
I know what the problem is...
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European people see the TV commercial, go to their computers, and type:
www.bow.com
and get this:
This domain does not have a web site.
It's a pronunciation issue.
No wait... maybe it's that the site launches another window that takes your navigation away and insists that the window be a certain size. I wish there was a way to selectively disable javascript "features."
[...] including any libraries and source code included for such purpose with the Software. You may reproduce and distribute, in executable form only, programs which you create using the Software without additional license or fees [...]
To me, this sounds like they're trying to protect you from distributing the "libraries and source code included for such purpose with the Software".
They can't keep you from doing whatever the hell you want with your code. By the same token, they can do what they please with theirs, including not allow you to redistribute it.
Actually, I take it to mean that we are human to the corporations and government, and these departments are resources for us. The way you describe it, it would be "corporate resources".
Of course, this is just the result of corporations' semi-annual "let's get together and decide what to call ourselves" meetings. The term just hasn't changed in a while.
Since most Windows users don't even know what a macro is, it's a pretty good bet that if a document has macros, they are of the viral persuasion.
This is garbage. Your first point is correct -- that most users don't know what a macro is. However, to say that the mere existence of a macro implies that it is malicious is bullshit. Macros have tons of uses and I know people that use them all the time.
And your proposed solutions are just more roadblocks, more dialogs for people to click blindly on, more hoops to jump through.
The virus scanning would have work fine, assuming that people kept the data files up-to-date, and this wouldn't have been effective against the ILOVEYOU "virus": it spread too quickly.
The solution is to simply not allow any file of any type to do something malicious or questionable to the system. This includes accessing/modifying the registry period, sending mail to people in the address book, etc.
This isn't a particularly effective solution for those of us that, because of the powers that be, are forced to use MS products. PINE doesn't interact too well with Exchange servers.
Luckily, we have a web developer on staff who coded up a sweet interface to the mail system.
I hate it when morons tout party lines to get all the other zealots' support.
I was curious about what you asked, so I gave it a whirl on my NT box.
Play along at home if you want (if you're "fortunate" enough to have a Windows box).
Take this line, and put it in a text file: msgbox ("hi")
Save it on your desktop as "test.gif". Save it again in the same place as "test.vbs".
Open "test.gif" from your desktop. If explorer is configured to open your images, the icon will show up as a picture frame with a brush on it. Click it: IE will open, and it'll give you a missing image icon. Don't close the window yet.
Click the "test.vbs" from your desktop. It will execute as expected.
Now go back to the IE window and change the ".gif" to ".vbs". It'll execute just fine. This is just the same as executing it from the desktop.
Conclusion? I don't know. It does "type" the file based on its extention. But considering that Outlook seems to make it very easy to open things, that might be a good thing, since it may give you some sort of indication of what the file is. Won't protect the clueless users, but may save a few.
Let's just hope there never is a port of Outlook to any *nix. Automatically opening a "jpeg" that's actually a shell script... yikes.
I've never understood why people would want to do this. Why would you want to use a machine that costs several hundred dollars to do the same work that an ordinary CD player costing less than $200 can do?
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The post you replied to was mostly speaking of business use. You're right on that note.
But what about at home, where the users are the administrators? For common problems, buttons are less intimidating to than config files. Your wife has it easy -- you admin the system for her. What if you weren't there to do it?
While this is true, I doubt that this type of usage is significant. With the spread of consumer CDR units, a large focus is placed on trading quality recordings. In fact, those who tape shows of a band I listen to specifically request that their recordings not be encoded into mp3 due to the lack of quality.
People have been trading live shows since long before napster was around. I bet it has had little impact on most people interested in enough to become involved.
Try not having blind faith just because the book has an animal on the front. Some O'Reilly books are crap, too.
shit. now we have computer riceboys, too. just what we need.
how ingenious.
he says "this other guy misused the numbers to say linux was the most insecure os in the world."
in the same breath, he says "since linux has less than nt, you can't use these numbers to say linux is less secure than nt." using the numbers to say that linux is not less secure than, and therefore more secure than nt.
i know the abc guy's article was a farce; this is far worse.
lynx? kids these days...
i just dial my isp and make the squealing sounds and static myself. i can static so good that the webserver on the other end won't send me the sounds of the banner ads.
come on. beating your head against the wall because other people think you're cool isn't a very good reason.
> And no, I shall never buy any software from M$.
/. do. then rebel.
> EVER!
no. you'll just pirate it like all the other l33t script kiddies on
that's so cool.
just an observation: if this thing had the regular rearview mirrors instead of being "tricked out" with lcd screens, it probably wouldn't need that stupid windmill.
She recently started as a chemist for a very prominent research organization with many high-dollar government contracts.
About a month after she started, she was called in to the HR office for an unknown reason. They proceeded to accost her for checking the "no" box on the "have you ever been convicted..." question on the application. Turns out she was convicted of DUI, according to "her" criminal record. Funny considering we weren't even in the state on the day in question.
She adamantly denied it and returned to work. An hour later she was escorted off the premisis and placed on suspension while they "cleared the matter up." Turns out it was a free vacation day. 3PM the next day, they called her and told her they pulled a record with the same name and different SSN. She wasn't happy. I was infuriated.
Repeated demands for an apology from those involved just got replies telling her that it wasn't a big deal and that she wasn't embarrassed. I managed to get her worked up enough that she got an apointment with the head of HR for this company, whose office was next door to the CEO's. Finally he apoligized on behalf of the whole HR department. The disturbing thing is that he said it happens all the time. My question is, if it took them so little time to clear up, wouldn't you think to do that before accusing someone? With the degree of accuracy her job demands, one would expect a reasonable amount from the company's supporting departments.
I realize this isn't the same because her record was correct, they just got the wrong one. But it goes to show what can happen when any link in this critical chain is weak.
Acceptable spelling. Sheesh. Clearly you meant "0wn the Internet."
Funny enough, there was a big debate over a year ago on whether you should use $|++ rather than $| = 1. Turns out that most people agreed you shouldn't. It's probably on deja.com somewhere, but I'm too tired to look for it.
Wait a minute... hmm...
www.bow.com
and get this:
This domain does not have a web site.
It's a pronunciation issue.
No wait... maybe it's that the site launches another window that takes your navigation away and insists that the window be a certain size. I wish there was a way to selectively disable javascript "features."
[...] including any libraries and source code included for such purpose with the Software. You may reproduce and distribute, in executable form only, programs which you create using the Software without additional license or fees [...]
To me, this sounds like they're trying to protect you from distributing the "libraries and source code included for such purpose with the Software".
They can't keep you from doing whatever the hell you want with your code. By the same token, they can do what they please with theirs, including not allow you to redistribute it.
Of course, this is just the result of corporations' semi-annual "let's get together and decide what to call ourselves" meetings. The term just hasn't changed in a while.
An English country? I won't pretend to be versed in Canadian history, but you might get some conflicting views there.
and yet refuse to stop speaking their language as if they had some God-given right to be different.
You clearly have never been to California. Or Texas. Or Florida. Or to a university campus.
It's arrogant and ignorant to expect someone to conform to your standards.
Thousands of dorks that would actually read their email on Christmas morning being able to do so: priceless.
Of course you're not.
My point was that IE will have no problem running a .vbs file. But it won't do it in the same way it "runs" a .gif file.
PINE interacts with Fetchmail. Fetchmail interacts with Exchange.
This is garbage. Your first point is correct -- that most users don't know what a macro is. However, to say that the mere existence of a macro implies that it is malicious is bullshit. Macros have tons of uses and I know people that use them all the time.
And your proposed solutions are just more roadblocks, more dialogs for people to click blindly on, more hoops to jump through.
The virus scanning would have work fine, assuming that people kept the data files up-to-date, and this wouldn't have been effective against the ILOVEYOU "virus": it spread too quickly.
The solution is to simply not allow any file of any type to do something malicious or questionable to the system. This includes accessing/modifying the registry period, sending mail to people in the address book, etc.
Luckily, we have a web developer on staff who coded up a sweet interface to the mail system.
I hate it when morons tout party lines to get all the other zealots' support.
Play along at home if you want (if you're "fortunate" enough to have a Windows box).
- Take this line, and put it in a text file:
- Save it on your desktop as "test.gif". Save it again in the same place as "test.vbs".
- Open "test.gif" from your desktop. If explorer is configured to open your images, the icon will show up as a picture frame with a brush on it. Click it: IE will open, and it'll give you a missing image icon. Don't close the window yet.
- Click the "test.vbs" from your desktop. It will execute as expected.
- Now go back to the IE window and change the ".gif" to ".vbs". It'll execute just fine. This is just the same as executing it from the desktop.
Conclusion? I don't know. It does "type" the file based on its extention. But considering that Outlook seems to make it very easy to open things, that might be a good thing, since it may give you some sort of indication of what the file is. Won't protect the clueless users, but may save a few.msgbox ("hi")
Let's just hope there never is a port of Outlook to any *nix. Automatically opening a "jpeg" that's actually a shell script... yikes.
Explosion. Big chunks of rock flying toward Earth. Big chunks of rock hit atmosphere and burn up into dust before getting anywhere near Earth.
Ever hear of MTBF?
from the steam-rising-from-the-riaas-forehead dept.