... that whooshing sound was the joke, going over your head. In enlightened conversation, we're allowed to make facetious remarks like that without people going off half-cocked. While admittedly it's usually self-deprecating, I would have thought that jokes about sheep fucking wouldn't have needed a </sarcasm> tag to make it clear that it was a joke. At the very least, I thought the sudden juxtaposition of a sentence without any regard for proper grammar in a post that's otherwise grammatical would have tipped you off that it wasn't meant to be taken seriously....
My inner sense of irony is rather amused that you're calling me ignorant and unintelligent, but that would be an ad hominem attack rather than, you know, a facetious remark.
No, I am not exaggerating. True, it's not always that bad. But in some cases it is.
Years ago it was. If you need something for a life-threatening condition, you'll have it fairly quickly. Even if it's not a life-threatening condition, you'll still have it fairly quickly these days.
I've had a handful of surgeries in my life, and have never needed to wait more than 4 months for it, without leaving the country. And that 4 month wait was because there's only one surgeon in the country who's licensed to perform that particular procedure (there's only 4 in the US who could do it, too, so don't start telling me that it'd have been faster in the US: it wouldn't). The reason some people have longer waitlists than that is that they want a specific doctor, or are not willing to travel beyond a specific hospital (even if there's another hospital in the same greater metropolitan area that does the same surgery). If you don't ask if there's another surgeon available with a shorter waitlist, you might think the timeline that they tell you is actually real.
On rare occasions a minor surgery may be bumped because of a life threatening situation coming up (happened for my knee surgery), but I was put on a cancellation list and had the surgery a week later. The cancellation list is, itself, another part of the reason that some people think they can't get surgery: I had 1 day of notice for the knee surgery the 2nd time around... the hospital called me at 4pm on a Wednesday, and said "can you be here tomorrow at 8am?". If folks aren't willing to adjust their schedules like that, then they can leave with the perception that they can't get treatment, even though the treatment is available to them, they're just not willing to work with the system.
In rural cases, it can be a bit worse, but there's still plenty of hospitals available if you're willing to travel a couple of hours. We have some *extremely* rural areas where you're 6 hours by helicopter away from the nearest hospital, but most of the population isn't anywhere near that distant.
To be fair, it's Newfoundland. They're kind of like our version of Alabama. Sheep be very nervous on the rock...
While I agree that our politicians need to pull their heads out of their asses on a whole host of issues, and that our current federal government has, in 8 years, very successfully destroyed the reputation that we spent 100 years building, we're hardly the only nation that's doing stupid shit with Facebook. And actually, a lot of what little privacy you actually have on Facebook is a result of our legislators...
Windows 3/3.11 (Windows for Workgroups) --> Windows 3.46 (NT) Windows NT 4 Windows 2000 (NT 5) Windows XP (NT 5.1) Windows Vista (NT 6.0) Windows 7 (NT 6.1) Windows 8 (NT 6.2)
Witness that Windows XP Home would not actually install as an upgrade over Windows 2000 professional... XP was just 2000 SP4 with a pretty GUI, and XP Home disabled features that 2000 Professional had. As such, it was a downgrade.
The Windows 95 > 95 OSR2 > 98 > 98SE > ME chain was a completely different kernel, and died with ME. Actually, 3.11 and NT 3.46 were completely different as well, though they shared enough elements in their origin that it's fair to call one an extension of the other. 3.46 got a lot of its base from OS/2.
You can't. But there's no way to do it in Windows or Mac, either. There's also nothing you can do to prevent me from running netcat on another box on the network and capturing the stream in its entirety for brute force decryption at a later date.
You can, however, make it enough of a pain in the ass that most people won't bother.
If this means I have to have a Google Chrome installation on my laptop, then great. It means I don't have to run mono + silverlight + wine + whatever else to watch Netflix.
So... because women are too stupid to make an informed consent, society is misogynous for being heteronormative?
that has to be one of the stupidest ideas I have ever heard... it's also not an idea I've ever heard from feminism, and I am surrounded by feminists in my life.
It does surprise me... considering the number of customers in their userbase who are part of the queer community, I didn't think they'd be stupid enough to do something to alienate them. (not saying that they're a gay company, but I am saying that the overwhelming majority of the computers that I see at the local LGBT community center and at the coffee shops in the gay village here in town have a fruity logo)
It's also rather surprising, considering the number of companies in the tech industry that are quite open about their support for the queer community, actually. All of the big players have shown open support, to the point that there basically is no Internet if you're boycotting queer-friendly companies. (Facebook, Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, etc. have all made It Gets Better videos where they proudly talk about being an open/safe workplace for LGBT employees... how well would the Internet work without search engines?)
I think it's more likely to be a backroom deal where China does the invading, and the US agrees to leave SK... but the US-China relations aren't quite there. Yet.:)
Part of the issue is that China and NK have a mutual defense pact right now. Also, NK has a very large standing army and a major terrain advantage that makes current conventional warfare techniques of limited use. If they strike first, all bets are off though.
You have a crazy twitchy person with his finger on the button for a nuclear weapon. They keep talking about striking the US directly, but if they really wanted to do some damage they'd go for Japan or South Korea, both of which can be hit quite easily.
Now it's *possible* that Kim-Jong Un is just pretending to be bonkers. But it's also possible that he actually is bonkers. Do you really want to take that gamble?
ahh... memories of learning Logo on the Apple II... and while I don't remember it, there's a comment on my report card from that era saying that I had taught the teacher how to use the computer (we had a computer at home since 1984 and I didn't start school until later than that: I was born in' 81).
And yes, I realize that there's folks who were into computers before I was even born. I'll get off your lawn, now.
How would they distribute that proprietary binary on a Linux system, when they need to compile against different versions of different libraries that may or may not be installed on your system, and may or may not still exist next week when you update your system? Do you suggest they statically compile all of the libs and dependencies they need into the binary itself?
Short of coming up with their own Linux distro specifically for the purpose, they have decided that there's no way they can distribute a proprietary binary for what they're doing. For better or for worse, they've gone with Flash on Apple, and Silverlight on MS Win to provide the functionality, rather than building their own app for it. You may think it's a cop-out, but it's still the decision they've made. And they've said many times now that the reason they made that decision is that it's too difficult to control the environment on a Linux system, and their content providers are requiring them to exert that kind of control. There's nothing stopping you from running netcat on another system on your network to capture the stream, and then brute-forcing the encryption either, but that's an extreme case that most of us won't bother to do.
The GP asked why there were Linux systems like embedded TV's and DVD players that can run Linux. If you don't like the answer given, then provide a counter-explanation.
The Roku however runs Linux and handles Netflix, TV's that run Linux internally handle Netflix. How does they accomplish this?
The same way Android, Boxee Box, and WDTV accomplish it: by being a closed system that allows DRM. It's not that Netflix doesn't want to support Linux, it's that the content providers for Netflix don't want them to support a system where they can't control what happens with the stream.
So it's okay to get a warrant to obtain information using information obtained without a warrant? Or if you suspect you need a warrant but can't get one and you're afraid it might be too late? How about we just start preemptively start pulling people over for speeding because they are going downhill. I guess the whole concept of innocent until proven guilty is kind of lost here isn't it.
That's a slippery slope, and you know it. Any lawyer worth their salt would have a field day in court against police using a warrant in such a manner. In fact, I do believe that's how Gotti managed to get off a few times....
The exemption I'm talking about is in the case where there's a life threatening emergency, and you simply don't have the time to get a warrant, in which case as long as the need was immediate, you disclose that it's been done, and the warrant is issued after the fact (on basis of the information you already had), then I don't see any wrong having been done. When I went to the point of saying that anything you got would be inadmissible if the warrant wasn't subsequently issued, I have no idea how you're stretching that to mean what you claim it would...
or if there is a life threatening emergency (in which case there is sufficient evidence in plain sight to arrest the perpetrators; i.e. no warrant would be immediately needed).
Unless, say, the whereabouts of the suspect was unknown, in which case you'd need a warrant to subpoena their cell phone data to get a location....
There are extreme circumstances where obtaining a warrant will take more time than you have, and in such cases, I don't oppose implementing a wire tap or intercepting communications to get the information needed, on two very important conditions: there is disclosure after the fact, and a warrant is subsequently obtained. The first speaks for itself, and for the second: If the warrant is not obtained for any reason, then any information gathered by this means can't be used in criminal proceedings. Given how much information can be gotten through such a tap, you'd better be absolutely certain that there is an urgent and immediate need to implement a tap, and that your evidence to justify it is adequate, otherwise you can throw your own case out by doing it.
It is still possible to have that form of warrantless information gathering while still having an open and democratic government, but you need to be open about the information gathering too, when it happens. What passes for democracy in the states is a far cry from how I actually envision it.
You're clearly not already running e17 from that list of dependencies... your complaint is akin to somebody complaining that installing kopete on their gnome system pulls in a ton of unneeded deps.
From a system that's already running e17: tara@MarchHare:~$ sudo apt-get autoremove Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. tara@MarchHare:~$ sudo apt-get install terminology Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following NEW packages will be installed:
terminology 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 839 kB of archives. After this operation, 3,118 kB of additional disk space will be used. Get:1 http://packages.bodhilinux.com/bodhi/ precise/stable terminology amd64 20130326-1 [839 kB] Fetched 839 kB in 1s (480 kB/s) Selecting previously unselected package terminology. (Reading database... 279968 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking terminology (from.../terminology_20130326-1_amd64.deb)... Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils... Setting up terminology (20130326-1)...
This terminal's not high bandwidth at all... I can't comment on the resources. I switched back to lxterminal because I don't like how it handles tabs or transparency.
That being said, it had no issues at all SSH'ing into my server over a cellular connection, and I have no reason to think that it's actually going to increase the amount of data being transferred.
Unless you're stupid enough to try to run it remotely from the server, and use something like nx or vnc to display it locally....
I grew up in a "religiously oriented" part of the US and had so many Darwin fish vandalized or removed from my pickup that I eventually switched to sticker on the inside of the rear window. After that I just got nasty notes and middle fingers from other drivers.
So this surprises you, somehow? You freely acknowledge that you grew up in an area with a lot of fundamentalists, and are surprised that people might be offended by you loudly advertising your belief in something that disagrees with their beliefs?
You're as bad as the Christians, if you don't understand why they may be offended by that.
Of course, for that one, we didn't really need more proof - I get somewhere around 100 assorted deliveries per year, all in great shape; even when they arrive in torrential rain and sit outside all day, I find them neatly bagged, perfectly safe and dry... Unless the sender stupidly marked them "fragile". Then I get a box at least badly frayed on all sides, often damp (even when delivered in dry weather, seriously, WTF), frequently with the corners blown out or other large inexplicable holes in the sides. I honestly don't think I've ever received a "fragile" package that didn't look like a second-hand box-fort from Afghanistan.
You need to switch to a different delivery company, then. I've had that problem with DHL (seriously... they left a $600 computer monitor sitting on my front stoop because I wasn't home... thankfully my next-door neighbour saw it and rescued it so the hooligans on the other side didn't "liberate" it).
But with Purolator especially, I've never had a problem. I've also never had an issue with UPS, but I'm not in the states, so they may be different there.
No, atheists are far worse. A secular person tells me they were at church, I say to myself "and I care why?" But man, how atheists go on and on and on and on and on.... about how stupid it is to believe in god. At least the secular people mention it in passing and move on.
They don't always act that way. On either side of the camp. I know (and live with) atheists who really don't care what you choose to believe, as long as you're not foisting it on everybody around you. I also know of several Christian groups who see it as their calling to evangelize to the world. Hint: they have the word "evangelical" in their name....
In my own belief structure, teaching that kind of knowledge to somebody who hasn't come to you seeking it is one of the worst things you can do to a person. I will not state whether I believe in a god, many gods, or none at all, but perhaps that belief about evangelism is something we can all take to heart?
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... that whooshing sound was the joke, going over your head. In enlightened conversation, we're allowed to make facetious remarks like that without people going off half-cocked. While admittedly it's usually self-deprecating, I would have thought that jokes about sheep fucking wouldn't have needed a </sarcasm> tag to make it clear that it was a joke. At the very least, I thought the sudden juxtaposition of a sentence without any regard for proper grammar in a post that's otherwise grammatical would have tipped you off that it wasn't meant to be taken seriously....
My inner sense of irony is rather amused that you're calling me ignorant and unintelligent, but that would be an ad hominem attack rather than, you know, a facetious remark.
No, I am not exaggerating. True, it's not always that bad. But in some cases it is.
Years ago it was. If you need something for a life-threatening condition, you'll have it fairly quickly. Even if it's not a life-threatening condition, you'll still have it fairly quickly these days.
I've had a handful of surgeries in my life, and have never needed to wait more than 4 months for it, without leaving the country. And that 4 month wait was because there's only one surgeon in the country who's licensed to perform that particular procedure (there's only 4 in the US who could do it, too, so don't start telling me that it'd have been faster in the US: it wouldn't). The reason some people have longer waitlists than that is that they want a specific doctor, or are not willing to travel beyond a specific hospital (even if there's another hospital in the same greater metropolitan area that does the same surgery). If you don't ask if there's another surgeon available with a shorter waitlist, you might think the timeline that they tell you is actually real.
On rare occasions a minor surgery may be bumped because of a life threatening situation coming up (happened for my knee surgery), but I was put on a cancellation list and had the surgery a week later. The cancellation list is, itself, another part of the reason that some people think they can't get surgery: I had 1 day of notice for the knee surgery the 2nd time around... the hospital called me at 4pm on a Wednesday, and said "can you be here tomorrow at 8am?". If folks aren't willing to adjust their schedules like that, then they can leave with the perception that they can't get treatment, even though the treatment is available to them, they're just not willing to work with the system.
In rural cases, it can be a bit worse, but there's still plenty of hospitals available if you're willing to travel a couple of hours. We have some *extremely* rural areas where you're 6 hours by helicopter away from the nearest hospital, but most of the population isn't anywhere near that distant.
To be fair, it's Newfoundland. They're kind of like our version of Alabama. Sheep be very nervous on the rock...
While I agree that our politicians need to pull their heads out of their asses on a whole host of issues, and that our current federal government has, in 8 years, very successfully destroyed the reputation that we spent 100 years building, we're hardly the only nation that's doing stupid shit with Facebook. And actually, a lot of what little privacy you actually have on Facebook is a result of our legislators...
No... the correct sequence would be:
Windows 3/3.11 (Windows for Workgroups) --> Windows 3.46 (NT)
Windows NT 4
Windows 2000 (NT 5)
Windows XP (NT 5.1)
Windows Vista (NT 6.0)
Windows 7 (NT 6.1)
Windows 8 (NT 6.2)
Witness that Windows XP Home would not actually install as an upgrade over Windows 2000 professional... XP was just 2000 SP4 with a pretty GUI, and XP Home disabled features that 2000 Professional had. As such, it was a downgrade.
The Windows 95 > 95 OSR2 > 98 > 98SE > ME chain was a completely different kernel, and died with ME. Actually, 3.11 and NT 3.46 were completely different as well, though they shared enough elements in their origin that it's fair to call one an extension of the other. 3.46 got a lot of its base from OS/2.
You can't. But there's no way to do it in Windows or Mac, either. There's also nothing you can do to prevent me from running netcat on another box on the network and capturing the stream in its entirety for brute force decryption at a later date.
You can, however, make it enough of a pain in the ass that most people won't bother.
If this means I have to have a Google Chrome installation on my laptop, then great. It means I don't have to run mono + silverlight + wine + whatever else to watch Netflix.
I'm sure a lot of 60 yr old ordinance, not kept in humidity controlled rooms, is effective.
The ordnance itself? Probably not. The guns? As long as they're being properly maintained, they're probably still in working order.
Ammunition isn't that hard to come by, even for a country with as many embargoes against it as NK. Some countries are still selling them stuff.
So... because women are too stupid to make an informed consent, society is misogynous for being heteronormative?
that has to be one of the stupidest ideas I have ever heard... it's also not an idea I've ever heard from feminism, and I am surrounded by feminists in my life.
So, no surprises here.
It does surprise me... considering the number of customers in their userbase who are part of the queer community, I didn't think they'd be stupid enough to do something to alienate them. (not saying that they're a gay company, but I am saying that the overwhelming majority of the computers that I see at the local LGBT community center and at the coffee shops in the gay village here in town have a fruity logo)
It's also rather surprising, considering the number of companies in the tech industry that are quite open about their support for the queer community, actually. All of the big players have shown open support, to the point that there basically is no Internet if you're boycotting queer-friendly companies. (Facebook, Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, etc. have all made It Gets Better videos where they proudly talk about being an open/safe workplace for LGBT employees... how well would the Internet work without search engines?)
I think it's more likely to be a backroom deal where China does the invading, and the US agrees to leave SK... but the US-China relations aren't quite there. Yet. :)
Part of the issue is that China and NK have a mutual defense pact right now. Also, NK has a very large standing army and a major terrain advantage that makes current conventional warfare techniques of limited use. If they strike first, all bets are off though.
You have a crazy twitchy person with his finger on the button for a nuclear weapon. They keep talking about striking the US directly, but if they really wanted to do some damage they'd go for Japan or South Korea, both of which can be hit quite easily.
Now it's *possible* that Kim-Jong Un is just pretending to be bonkers. But it's also possible that he actually is bonkers. Do you really want to take that gamble?
None of this will happen, of course. Because China doesn't want what amounts to a prosperous Germany right next door.
Yes, they do. That would be huge for their trading prospects. What they don't want is the US military entanglement that comes with South Korea.
You're both forgetting about China, who might have a few things to say about a large scale US military operation on their border...
ahh... memories of learning Logo on the Apple II... and while I don't remember it, there's a comment on my report card from that era saying that I had taught the teacher how to use the computer (we had a computer at home since 1984 and I didn't start school until later than that: I was born in' 81).
And yes, I realize that there's folks who were into computers before I was even born. I'll get off your lawn, now.
A proprietary binary enforces the DRM.
How would they distribute that proprietary binary on a Linux system, when they need to compile against different versions of different libraries that may or may not be installed on your system, and may or may not still exist next week when you update your system? Do you suggest they statically compile all of the libs and dependencies they need into the binary itself?
Short of coming up with their own Linux distro specifically for the purpose, they have decided that there's no way they can distribute a proprietary binary for what they're doing. For better or for worse, they've gone with Flash on Apple, and Silverlight on MS Win to provide the functionality, rather than building their own app for it. You may think it's a cop-out, but it's still the decision they've made. And they've said many times now that the reason they made that decision is that it's too difficult to control the environment on a Linux system, and their content providers are requiring them to exert that kind of control. There's nothing stopping you from running netcat on another system on your network to capture the stream, and then brute-forcing the encryption either, but that's an extreme case that most of us won't bother to do.
The GP asked why there were Linux systems like embedded TV's and DVD players that can run Linux. If you don't like the answer given, then provide a counter-explanation.
The Roku however runs Linux and handles Netflix, TV's that run Linux internally handle Netflix. How does they accomplish this?
The same way Android, Boxee Box, and WDTV accomplish it: by being a closed system that allows DRM. It's not that Netflix doesn't want to support Linux, it's that the content providers for Netflix don't want them to support a system where they can't control what happens with the stream.
So it's okay to get a warrant to obtain information using information obtained without a warrant? Or if you suspect you need a warrant but can't get one and you're afraid it might be too late? How about we just start preemptively start pulling people over for speeding because they are going downhill. I guess the whole concept of innocent until proven guilty is kind of lost here isn't it.
That's a slippery slope, and you know it. Any lawyer worth their salt would have a field day in court against police using a warrant in such a manner. In fact, I do believe that's how Gotti managed to get off a few times....
The exemption I'm talking about is in the case where there's a life threatening emergency, and you simply don't have the time to get a warrant, in which case as long as the need was immediate, you disclose that it's been done, and the warrant is issued after the fact (on basis of the information you already had), then I don't see any wrong having been done. When I went to the point of saying that anything you got would be inadmissible if the warrant wasn't subsequently issued, I have no idea how you're stretching that to mean what you claim it would...
That's kind of exactly the exemption I was talking about....
or if there is a life threatening emergency (in which case there is sufficient evidence in plain sight to arrest the perpetrators; i.e. no warrant would be immediately needed).
Unless, say, the whereabouts of the suspect was unknown, in which case you'd need a warrant to subpoena their cell phone data to get a location....
There are extreme circumstances where obtaining a warrant will take more time than you have, and in such cases, I don't oppose implementing a wire tap or intercepting communications to get the information needed, on two very important conditions: there is disclosure after the fact, and a warrant is subsequently obtained. The first speaks for itself, and for the second: If the warrant is not obtained for any reason, then any information gathered by this means can't be used in criminal proceedings. Given how much information can be gotten through such a tap, you'd better be absolutely certain that there is an urgent and immediate need to implement a tap, and that your evidence to justify it is adequate, otherwise you can throw your own case out by doing it.
It is still possible to have that form of warrantless information gathering while still having an open and democratic government, but you need to be open about the information gathering too, when it happens. What passes for democracy in the states is a far cry from how I actually envision it.
You're clearly not already running e17 from that list of dependencies... your complaint is akin to somebody complaining that installing kopete on their gnome system pulls in a ton of unneeded deps.
From a system that's already running e17:
... 279968 files and directories currently installed.) .../terminology_20130326-1_amd64.deb) ... ... ...
tara@MarchHare:~$ sudo apt-get autoremove
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
tara@MarchHare:~$ sudo apt-get install terminology
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
terminology
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 839 kB of archives.
After this operation, 3,118 kB of additional disk space will be used.
Get:1 http://packages.bodhilinux.com/bodhi/ precise/stable terminology amd64 20130326-1 [839 kB]
Fetched 839 kB in 1s (480 kB/s)
Selecting previously unselected package terminology.
(Reading database
Unpacking terminology (from
Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils
Setting up terminology (20130326-1)
'nuf said?
This terminal's not high bandwidth at all... I can't comment on the resources. I switched back to lxterminal because I don't like how it handles tabs or transparency.
That being said, it had no issues at all SSH'ing into my server over a cellular connection, and I have no reason to think that it's actually going to increase the amount of data being transferred.
Unless you're stupid enough to try to run it remotely from the server, and use something like nx or vnc to display it locally....
I grew up in a "religiously oriented" part of the US and had so many Darwin fish vandalized or removed from my pickup that I eventually switched to sticker on the inside of the rear window. After that I just got nasty notes and middle fingers from other drivers.
So this surprises you, somehow? You freely acknowledge that you grew up in an area with a lot of fundamentalists, and are surprised that people might be offended by you loudly advertising your belief in something that disagrees with their beliefs?
You're as bad as the Christians, if you don't understand why they may be offended by that.
Of course, for that one, we didn't really need more proof - I get somewhere around 100 assorted deliveries per year, all in great shape; even when they arrive in torrential rain and sit outside all day, I find them neatly bagged, perfectly safe and dry... Unless the sender stupidly marked them "fragile". Then I get a box at least badly frayed on all sides, often damp (even when delivered in dry weather, seriously, WTF), frequently with the corners blown out or other large inexplicable holes in the sides. I honestly don't think I've ever received a "fragile" package that didn't look like a second-hand box-fort from Afghanistan.
You need to switch to a different delivery company, then. I've had that problem with DHL (seriously... they left a $600 computer monitor sitting on my front stoop because I wasn't home... thankfully my next-door neighbour saw it and rescued it so the hooligans on the other side didn't "liberate" it).
But with Purolator especially, I've never had a problem. I've also never had an issue with UPS, but I'm not in the states, so they may be different there.
No, atheists are far worse. A secular person tells me they were at church, I say to myself "and I care why?" But man, how atheists go on and on and on and on and on.... about how stupid it is to believe in god. At least the secular people mention it in passing and move on.
They don't always act that way. On either side of the camp. I know (and live with) atheists who really don't care what you choose to believe, as long as you're not foisting it on everybody around you. I also know of several Christian groups who see it as their calling to evangelize to the world. Hint: they have the word "evangelical" in their name....
In my own belief structure, teaching that kind of knowledge to somebody who hasn't come to you seeking it is one of the worst things you can do to a person. I will not state whether I believe in a god, many gods, or none at all, but perhaps that belief about evangelism is something we can all take to heart?