Seriously, most serious/. users would gladly pay $20 a year to use the site, if even more features were promised to "members". Also, charging would get rid of most of the annoying ACs.
Now what have you got? You have management with proven workout experience.
You've got a proven business model. You've got a debt-free company. This adds up to: prime lending target
No, you have the same management as the ones who landed in this mess in the first place. Secondly, there is no long-term business model here - they're porting software.
Yes, there were lenders who "thought" like you at one point - we got the S&L crisis.
Besides, if the company is as Scott said, Cash positive the line of credit is probably not a huge concern.
Oh come on, if everything was champagne and lollipops, they wouldn't have filed in the first place.
Given the history of VA, Penguin, and other pure linux companies, Loki will be reduced to the equivalent of loan sharking to finance the place in the long run. Reputable creditors will keep a safe distance.
This note is not realistic. Once you have filed Ch. 11, you are seeking legal protection from ceditors. So you are out of the woods for now, but no one will ever loan you money again.
I don't see how you can realistically operate a company with no line of credit. Loki will be sold, its almost certain.
My own 2 cents is that C++ is just too complex. People wanting to use some of the advanced OO features will have a better development experience with Java or Python, and those wanting pure performance never switched from C in the first place.
I recently read an article where Bjarne outlined many of the things he had on the C++ wishlist, which more or less were the steps to make C++ into Java.
Most people keep more crap in their cube than they actually need. You can open up a lot of space if you trash or take home the stuff you haven't touched in six months.
P2P is the "push" of 2000. Its 2001 now, so you can safely move on to your next fad.
And no, your employer doesn't want to pay to route and transmit the bits coming out of the compute cycles you are "donating" to crypto cracking or searching for ET.
I knew there would be a posting like this, the linux zealots who are desperate to put a positive spin on any bad news from any linux company.
When you file for chapter 11, you are seeking protection from your creditors, largely so you can have enough money left over to pay off the employees. Companies are obligated to pay off their employees before creditors, so chapter 11 is a mechanism for them to reserve the cash to do this.
There are a few isoloated cases of filing for chapter 11 pushing a company back to profitability, but these are an infitesimal fraction. Once you are bankrupt, you are persona non grata to lenders - you have in fact sought legal protection to become a deadbeat loan - and its nearly impossible to run a business without lines of credit.
Rest assured no one files for chapter 11 unless its pretty much game over.
They laid the groundwork of knowledge but were unable to reap the rewards out of ignorance of technology and a bizarre unflinching adherance to ancient religious law.
Flash per se doesn't compete with tools put out by Microsoft - Curl does - so I doubt you'll ever see Curl as a default plugin distributed with Windows/IE...not while C# and ASP are being pushed as web development tools by MS. Goodbye Curl.
Don't forget that other great romantisized revolt, where a small cadre of wealthy, elitist intellectuals led the trash of the countryside into armed conflict - the American Revolution.
You're of course only highlighting the inherent contradiction in a democratic society - free speech that threatens free speech.
Well, in any case you live in a corporate republic where the flow of information is controlled by increasingly narrow interests, so you have to wonder what we're preserving in any case.
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1. XML RPC. You can debate the value of XML over other RPC methods, but the.NET model appears to be simpler than CORBA and more easily extensible.
2. Pervasive Object Model. Looking at the ActiveState site, you can see the power of being able to bind to.NET services written in any of the supported languages. Yes, you can compile Python to the JVM, but Sun won't officially support this type of activity - Microsoft on the other hand is funding cross-language support from ground zero.
3. Mostly open architecture. C#, SOAP, WSDL, and UDDI are all open specs. Some of.NET is not open, such as the source of the compiler, but at least with a spec you can write your own, and perhaps even influence the design.
4. A nice OO language. You get this with Java too. Hopefully memory-managed languages can become the norm for application development with all these tools available.
AOL owns HBO, which has without a doubt the finest original programming on TV. When CBS is rolling out crap like Big Brother2, NBC has The Weakest Link...HBO puts out gems like Six Feet Under.
Added to which, on HBO I get the bonus of actually getting nearly an hour of programming per hour of viewing, as there are no commercial breaks. I am definitely willing to pay for this.
Firstly, click here for actual quarterly numbers from AOL.
Secondly, there was never any expectation that AOL would not show a loss within one year after one of the largest mergers in history.
TW ad revenues are up (when most other ad supported businesses are sucking), AOL has sewn up the consumer ISP market, and through partnerships continues to acquire vast swaths of the consumer landscape.
It doens't take a rocket scientist to figure out that over time this will translate into an incredible amount of control and obscene profit margins.
As for you "never owning a stock" - don't brag about that too much, even in days like this, stocks are still your best way to make money (yes kids, Priceline is up 400% in the last couple of months). Take on some risk man, you could get hit by a cement truck tomorrow.
This entire line of reasoning is ridiculous. You can still download the JDK and JRE for free. You can buy Java IDEs from a number of vendors. If you want Java on your computer, its easily achievable. Hell, if we are going to insist on OEMs putting a language toolkit on every computer (why you would do this is beyond me), at least make it an open language.
mostly to get around firewalls, I suppose, which the net admins will block as soon as they figure out what is going on... hmm wonder who will be the first to implement a firewall that automatically drops all HTTP requests with a tag in the payload...
Why would you do that? Just to spite Microsoft? Well, you'll be spiting Sun and IBM too, because they are jumping on the SOAP bandwagon as fast as MS.
As it stands, creating such a firewall wouldn't make any sense in any case, if you have no software capable of servicing SOAP requests, they fall into the ether.
Sun is winning A) the application server market place B) the developer mind share.
VB is still the most popular programming language out there, for better or for worse. Java-based environments do hold the app server marketplace, but this market is still young, watch for Microsoft to make a move on it.
I have nothing against SOAP, UDDI, or WSDL. But they're hardly impressive.
Duh!! How are they "not impressive"? If you knew even remotely anything about them you would know that SOAP in particular is only as smart as its payload - its a fricking RPC packet wrapper.
go read some of the white papers and come back with an opinion.
Established companies like Exodus can't stay in the black, Sealand is probably doomed. Cute idea, but really, who is that interested in dealing with them?
At the end of the day, they're a colo like any other and you have to evaluate them on throughput, response time, and data security. Sealand puts an emphasis on physical remoteness as an enhancement to security, but this is more of a gimmick than an actual asset.
Java users are seeing JVM failures that have nothing to do with the presence (or lack thereof) of required modules. 1.x JVMs and 2.x JVMs have huge compatibility issues and most Java users have to keep both 1.x and 2.x JDKs installed to cope. Perl in particular does not have this problem - you can use Perl 5.6 to run any perl script in your library.
I can't speak to the portability of C#, but yes, I am saying that Java is not WORA.
Microsoft is not the only company backing web services - IBM and Sun itself are coming behind a model based on SOAP, WSDL and UDDI. Since you don't give any reasons why "this is not very impressive technology", I will provide you with some reasons why this approach is impressive:
1. The standards are open, and you can program with them right now.
2. "RPC over HTTP" is already being hacked out and used all over the web, so it makes sense to standardize it. Maybe a world full of JVMs communicating over ORBs using IIOP would have been preferrable, but it isn't ever going to happen, even Sun conceeds this.
3. It makes sense to work with Microsoft at this point instead of against it. They control practically all of the desktop computers in the world, and an increasing number of servers. How they came to this position is irrelevant. Strategically, it doesn't make any sense to fight this presence for any group, corporate or volunteer.
4. Java has failed to live up to its promises. No one believes Java is write-once read-anywhere, regardless of if it is even true at this point, so there is no point in flogging that messasge anymore - it has failed in the marketplace.
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Seriously, most serious /. users would gladly pay $20 a year to use the site, if even more features were promised to "members". Also, charging would get rid of most of the annoying ACs.
No, you have the same management as the ones who landed in this mess in the first place. Secondly, there is no long-term business model here - they're porting software.
Yes, there were lenders who "thought" like you at one point - we got the S&L crisis.
You unwittingly provided the counter-example to your own argument. Classic!
Oh come on, if everything was champagne and lollipops, they wouldn't have filed in the first place.
Given the history of VA, Penguin, and other pure linux companies, Loki will be reduced to the equivalent of loan sharking to finance the place in the long run. Reputable creditors will keep a safe distance.
I don't see how you can realistically operate a company with no line of credit. Loki will be sold, its almost certain.
I recently read an article where Bjarne outlined many of the things he had on the C++ wishlist, which more or less were the steps to make C++ into Java.
Most people keep more crap in their cube than they actually need. You can open up a lot of space if you trash or take home the stuff you haven't touched in six months.
And no, your employer doesn't want to pay to route and transmit the bits coming out of the compute cycles you are "donating" to crypto cracking or searching for ET.
When you file for chapter 11, you are seeking protection from your creditors, largely so you can have enough money left over to pay off the employees. Companies are obligated to pay off their employees before creditors, so chapter 11 is a mechanism for them to reserve the cash to do this.
There are a few isoloated cases of filing for chapter 11 pushing a company back to profitability, but these are an infitesimal fraction. Once you are bankrupt, you are persona non grata to lenders - you have in fact sought legal protection to become a deadbeat loan - and its nearly impossible to run a business without lines of credit.
Rest assured no one files for chapter 11 unless its pretty much game over.
They laid the groundwork of knowledge but were unable to reap the rewards out of ignorance of technology and a bizarre unflinching adherance to ancient religious law.
Most publiers are releasing only older titles on e-books. I have yet to see a new hardcover edition be simultaneous released on e-books.
This is the best and most expensive ergonomic chair you can buy, period.
Flash per se doesn't compete with tools put out by Microsoft - Curl does - so I doubt you'll ever see Curl as a default plugin distributed with Windows/IE...not while C# and ASP are being pushed as web development tools by MS. Goodbye Curl.
You're of course only highlighting the inherent contradiction in a democratic society - free speech that threatens free speech.
Well, in any case you live in a corporate republic where the flow of information is controlled by increasingly narrow interests, so you have to wonder what we're preserving in any case.
2. Pervasive Object Model. Looking at the ActiveState site, you can see the power of being able to bind to .NET services written in any of the supported languages. Yes, you can compile Python to the JVM, but Sun won't officially support this type of activity - Microsoft on the other hand is funding cross-language support from ground zero.
3. Mostly open architecture. C#, SOAP, WSDL, and UDDI are all open specs. Some of .NET is not open, such as the source of the compiler, but at least with a spec you can write your own, and perhaps even influence the design.
4. A nice OO language. You get this with Java too. Hopefully memory-managed languages can become the norm for application development with all these tools available.
Connecting impoverished villages stricken by AIDS with T1 lines simply isn't going to have a substantial effect on the common welfare.
Added to which, on HBO I get the bonus of actually getting nearly an hour of programming per hour of viewing, as there are no commercial breaks. I am definitely willing to pay for this.
Secondly, there was never any expectation that AOL would not show a loss within one year after one of the largest mergers in history.
TW ad revenues are up (when most other ad supported businesses are sucking), AOL has sewn up the consumer ISP market, and through partnerships continues to acquire vast swaths of the consumer landscape.
It doens't take a rocket scientist to figure out that over time this will translate into an incredible amount of control and obscene profit margins.
As for you "never owning a stock" - don't brag about that too much, even in days like this, stocks are still your best way to make money (yes kids, Priceline is up 400% in the last couple of months). Take on some risk man, you could get hit by a cement truck tomorrow.
This entire line of reasoning is ridiculous. You can still download the JDK and JRE for free. You can buy Java IDEs from a number of vendors. If you want Java on your computer, its easily achievable. Hell, if we are going to insist on OEMs putting a language toolkit on every computer (why you would do this is beyond me), at least make it an open language.
Why would you do that? Just to spite Microsoft? Well, you'll be spiting Sun and IBM too, because they are jumping on the SOAP bandwagon as fast as MS.
As it stands, creating such a firewall wouldn't make any sense in any case, if you have no software capable of servicing SOAP requests, they fall into the ether.
Sun is winning A) the application server market place B) the developer mind share.
VB is still the most popular programming language out there, for better or for worse. Java-based environments do hold the app server marketplace, but this market is still young, watch for Microsoft to make a move on it.
I have nothing against SOAP, UDDI, or WSDL. But they're hardly impressive.
Duh!! How are they "not impressive"? If you knew even remotely anything about them you would know that SOAP in particular is only as smart as its payload - its a fricking RPC packet wrapper.
go read some of the white papers and come back with an opinion.
At the end of the day, they're a colo like any other and you have to evaluate them on throughput, response time, and data security. Sealand puts an emphasis on physical remoteness as an enhancement to security, but this is more of a gimmick than an actual asset.
You're wrong. Start multi-platform programming in Java instead of reading articles about it and you'll very quickly understand.
I can't speak to the portability of C#, but yes, I am saying that Java is not WORA.
1. The standards are open, and you can program with them right now.
2. "RPC over HTTP" is already being hacked out and used all over the web, so it makes sense to standardize it. Maybe a world full of JVMs communicating over ORBs using IIOP would have been preferrable, but it isn't ever going to happen, even Sun conceeds this.
3. It makes sense to work with Microsoft at this point instead of against it. They control practically all of the desktop computers in the world, and an increasing number of servers. How they came to this position is irrelevant. Strategically, it doesn't make any sense to fight this presence for any group, corporate or volunteer.
4. Java has failed to live up to its promises. No one believes Java is write-once read-anywhere, regardless of if it is even true at this point, so there is no point in flogging that messasge anymore - it has failed in the marketplace.
They get to raise the price of stamps whenever they want. Any idiot could operate in the black if prices can be arbitrarily raised.