too bad she already killed The HP Way... and HP... blec!
I fart in your general direction Ms. Fiorina. I doubt HP will even try to become what it once was, the bridges are burned... the Q is already in the HPAQ.
good point about the readability... I think that people can internalize and thing in a way where types are a kind of variable... but then, the really confusing part is the kinds of errors misusing even simple templates currently yeild in most compilers... but I think the compilers can catch up to that as well and give more sensible warnings. Still, fair point.
As far as the amazing stuff happening at compile time... well if we could have as efficient a solution to the similar problems at runtime...great,
But even so that will likely never be as efficient as what you can do at compile time in which much of the indirection or composing simply compiles away.
Mind you, I'm admitting that this is somewhat obscure at the moment, and that I'm so impressed with some of the tricks I've seen now (calling them "tricks" is admitting something too), such as in the Blitz ++ library, that I am enamored of the potential. I'm not saying it's all ready for prime time or this is the final form... quite the opposite, I think it's just begun... perhaps the promise will play out with dynamic systems.
I have not programmed in Objective C, or on the Mac for years and years, so I'm not sure what you mean there.
I tend to think that Java is too much in the OO religion... it's my bias, I know, and I'm not maligning Java wontonly.
But I agree with you that metaprogramming is something that is proving to be an amazing new addition to programming idioms.
In the end the advantage of C++ is that it has evolved to allow new idioms without ever forcing them and closing off access to the machine.
No doubt, closing off that access may be a good idea in some cases, but that "some" can never be all. So I'll wait until Netcraft tells me C++ is dead and then I still won't believe it.
I now think that Java represents a belief that object oriented programming is the end point.
C++ is demonstrating there is a point beyond it in which, as might have been expected if you are Stroustrup, where OOP is just one idiom.
the point beyond is metaprogramming.
Java, like Pascal, is based on people taking themselves literally when they say they "have found the proper way to program".
Not that Java is Bad, mind you, but I'm sick of the Java programmers whining about how bad C++ is, when in fact it's still the leader in supporting whatever the machine can do in the most efficient way reasonably possible.
I know this isn't the place for stupid inside jokes, but the post is about Porto Alegre which Bill Gates thinks is Porto Allegro. People could at least have checked every link on the internet before rating me a troll.
Bring Wil Wheaton back... as Wesley... BUT MAKE HIM A VILLIAN.
Evil Genious will do.
you know I'm right.
Re:How to be a millionaire and get what you want.
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no no, I get it.
nothing personal, I just love an old Steve Martin joke "How to be a millionaire and not pay taxes"... but I am also serious (though I mean no offense on your excellent point).
The serious thing is that it's difficult to get good people. To be a good manager by getting good people is a bit of a tautology.
The real task of a good manager is to take what you have and create a whole greater than the sum of the parts, and this is true even if you already start with great people... even more so if you think about it because if you have a really stellar team and you get them to create things that value more than the sum of the parts... you can literally change the world.
If computer science is applied philosophy why can't I work as a software engineer with my philosophy degree... oh wait, I do... for 15 years.
It's just that as a trained philosopher I'm forced to wonder, "hmmm, is that really me?"
seriously, logicians had a hell of a time getting work for hundreds of years but now there are not enough of us to fill the jobs. Sometimes someone may think, "I wish he had more formal education in computer science" but that's fair as I often think, "I wish he had more formal training in logic"...
and logic has remained the same for thousands of years... computer science... the computer scientists with 15 years of experience also didn't learn C++/Java/etc. in school.
How to be a millionaire and get what you want.
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what about Stone Henge?
sorry, GNU/Stone Henge.
I thought it was funny.
from a slashdot perspective it's insightful... a lot of geeks just went... "good point... perhaps I should modify my fish dispersal plans"
cats won't want to eat linux!
you have not been born, these are just your hallucinations within the womb, it gets much weirder.
and it runs linux!!!
finally a solution to the feral cat problem! Open Source ROCKS!!!
and I think my dog will love it... she doesn't seem that fond of cats.
what? read the article? excuse me... I only read titles... I'm American! If you don't get the meaning in that title... that's your bad.
anyway... cat eating robots... my god what will they think up next!?
too bad she already killed The HP Way... and HP... blec!
I fart in your general direction Ms. Fiorina. I doubt HP will even try to become what it once was, the bridges are burned... the Q is already in the HPAQ.
good point about the readability... I think that people can internalize and thing in a way where types are a kind of variable... but then, the really confusing part is the kinds of errors misusing even simple templates currently yeild in most compilers... but I think the compilers can catch up to that as well and give more sensible warnings. Still, fair point.
As far as the amazing stuff happening at compile time... well if we could have as efficient a solution to the similar problems at runtime...great,
But even so that will likely never be as efficient as what you can do at compile time in which much of the indirection or composing simply compiles away.
Mind you, I'm admitting that this is somewhat obscure at the moment, and that I'm so impressed with some of the tricks I've seen now (calling them "tricks" is admitting something too), such as in the Blitz ++ library, that I am enamored of the potential. I'm not saying it's all ready for prime time or this is the final form... quite the opposite, I think it's just begun... perhaps the promise will play out with dynamic systems.
I have not programmed in Objective C, or on the Mac for years and years, so I'm not sure what you mean there.
I tend to think that Java is too much in the OO religion... it's my bias, I know, and I'm not maligning Java wontonly.
But I agree with you that metaprogramming is something that is proving to be an amazing new addition to programming idioms.
In the end the advantage of C++ is that it has evolved to allow new idioms without ever forcing them and closing off access to the machine.
No doubt, closing off that access may be a good idea in some cases, but that "some" can never be all. So I'll wait until Netcraft tells me C++ is dead and then I still won't believe it.
a pickup.
I now think that Java represents a belief that object oriented programming is the end point.
C++ is demonstrating there is a point beyond it in which, as might have been expected if you are Stroustrup, where OOP is just one idiom.
the point beyond is metaprogramming.
Java, like Pascal, is based on people taking themselves literally when they say they "have found the proper way to program".
Not that Java is Bad, mind you, but I'm sick of the Java programmers whining about how bad C++ is, when in fact it's still the leader in supporting whatever the machine can do in the most efficient way reasonably possible.
it's punishment for subscribing.
>That's what dark matter is -- just ordinary matter that isn't part of luminous objects and, thus, is invisible.
not likely... it's been proved that it's not just cool matter, like dusts, for example. It's exotic matter or normal matter in an exotic state.
at least that's my understanding.
well it's funnier this way. :)
Ironically so do you and I... and our moderators do too!
what good is slashdot if you can't make an inside jokes that requires you to have read the article of a story earlier that da----- oooooooh!
I know this isn't the place for stupid inside jokes, but the post is about Porto Alegre which Bill Gates thinks is Porto Allegro. People could at least have checked every link on the internet before rating me a troll.
Now I have that on my permanent record.
And my resume.
Bastards!
jeez... troll, snif snif...
/. article of the day...
um... troll, or joke! That's how Bill Gates mispelled Porto Alegre on the notes lovingly covered in the other really important
don't tell me you guys don't read the articles?!?!
I kerknew someone would get it. :)
it was for you I took this abuse... rofl...
I mean... I did telegraph that it was a joke...
about how Bill Gates wrote it Porto Allegro on the notes he left which we attributed to Blair and then analysed and covered here today at /.
don't feel bad, it was an inside joke intended to make you look stupid. I'm so sorry about that.
you bill gates bashing bastards!
Netcraft confirms it.
villain, villain... a'ight?
Genius...fine... and fuck off!
Wil Wheaton is cool. Wesley was not.
Bring Wil Wheaton back... as Wesley... BUT MAKE HIM A VILLIAN.
Evil Genious will do.
you know I'm right.
no no, I get it.
nothing personal, I just love an old Steve Martin joke "How to be a millionaire and not pay taxes"... but I am also serious (though I mean no offense on your excellent point).
The serious thing is that it's difficult to get good people. To be a good manager by getting good people is a bit of a tautology.
The real task of a good manager is to take what you have and create a whole greater than the sum of the parts, and this is true even if you already start with great people... even more so if you think about it because if you have a really stellar team and you get them to create things that value more than the sum of the parts... you can literally change the world.
re, your sig line.
If computer science is applied philosophy why can't I work as a software engineer with my philosophy degree... oh wait, I do... for 15 years.
It's just that as a trained philosopher I'm forced to wonder, "hmmm, is that really me?"
seriously, logicians had a hell of a time getting work for hundreds of years but now there are not enough of us to fill the jobs. Sometimes someone may think, "I wish he had more formal education in computer science" but that's fair as I often think, "I wish he had more formal training in logic"...
and logic has remained the same for thousands of years... computer science... the computer scientists with 15 years of experience also didn't learn C++/Java/etc. in school.
first, get a million dollars.
then... do whatever you want.
surround yourself with the best people.
ok, how do you do that?