Personally, I'm still stuck on the question of why this matters at all.
One platform has a disproportionately high conversion rate in a growing, increasingly important marketing sector and you're confused about why it matters? Do you hate money?
No, just all the stupidity that love of it seems to cause.
P.S. In your effort to seem clever, you failed to explain why what kind of phone people use to shop online with does matter.
You appear to be grasping at straws. I suspect this is an attempt by your brain to cope with the cognitive dissonance you are currently experiencing. Why else would you attempt to explain away the facts by ranting about "alternate user agents", a factor which surely represents -- at best -- a rounding error in the data.
Seriously. Give it up. You're not convincing anyone except yourself.
In other words, I'm "grasping at straws" and performing mental gymnastics for pointing out a possible discrepancy in the data collection method... which you subsequently speculate to be inaccurate, based on nothing quantifiable, only your own, personal opinion about user agents.
Well, in that case, may I welcome you to Black Kettle Manor, Mr. Pot...
"The most obvious explanation" You keep using that term, but I do not think it means what you think it means.
Then your thinking is flawed.
If you can't explain what makes you think that, I have no compunction to believe you. Besides, you used that phrase twice, on two separate items, to "explain" something completely unrelated. Maybe you're using some weird dictionary?
Now, would you please, please stop prattling on about the goddamn keyboard?
You're the one that admitted that Android has a fundamental flaw with the keyboard that stopped you using it for online purchase.
No, I didn't - I said the keyboard on my smartphone doesn't work right, however if you actually read the entire sentence I said that after pointing out no trouble shopping with my Nexus 7, which is also an Android device. You're inferring shit I never said, because you failed to actually pay attention to the shit I did say. Then tell me my thinking is flawed?
OK, sure thing, dude, whatever you've got to tell yourself. Enjoy that false sense of intellectual superiority.
By all accounts autonomous cars are better at spotting potential road hazards, like deer and pedestrians, than people are.
Pretty sure that's just a Law of Averages thing; there are hundreds of millions of non-autonomous cars being operated around the US every day, compared to a few thousand auto-cars. If the numbers were switched (hundreds of millions of auto-cars vs a few thousand diver-operated ones), I'd wager the percentages of who's better at what would be swapped as well.
By law, EU countries have to have 15% to 25% VAT for non-essential goods. But it's always included in the price so you're not reminded of it every time you pull out your wallet.
That's funny - when I go look at buying Arduinos straight from the maker's website, all the prices say "+VAT."
Do they just not remind you of it when you're in Europe?
Really, I think that's less an OS limitation than it is a matter of website coders not considering that someone would view the site with a (non-iOS) screen smaller than 7".
It especially does not offer any better explanation than "Android devices using iOS user agents."
Quite the opposite, really.
I'd like to know what percentage of Android users who are not Slashdot users even know that you can do this.
I doubt it's quantifiable, but considering that 0.01% of the US population is still over 3,000,000 people, I'd venture a guess and say: lots.
Bad jokes aside, here's the research bit:
Per this Time article, Android phones make up about 51% of the US mobile phone market. If we take the figures from Wikipedia, there are about 327,578,000 active smartphones in the US. If we divide 327,578,000 by 51%, we get 167,064,780 Android phones currently active.
If even 5% of those Android users know how to switch user agents, that's still 8,353,239 people.
That's more than the entire population of my home state.
That in no way explains how a device owned by about 30% of smartphone users was seen as being responsible for over 80% of online sales.
The most obvious explanation
You keep using that term, but I do not think it means what you think it means.
Here's the gist up to this point:
AC - Mobile apps are formatted for mobile.
This Guy - Yea, but the keyboard on my Android phone fucks up on the ordering screen.
You (BB) - This report seems to indicate that iOS users don't have that issue.
TG - unquantifiable - Android phones can emulate iOS user agent, so that report could be flawed. Also, this whole debate matters not.
BB - explained by iPhone keyboard iz teh winz!
TG - That explains nothing.
BB - explained by Android fonez iz teh cheapxxors!
Which brings us to right here, right now.
Look, Wang-Chung, I'm not going to get into an iQueer vs AnFag flamewar with you, because I couldn't give less of a fuck. My point , as it has been, is this: A report showing that 80% of online purchases in a day originated from devices with iOS user agents DOES NOT FUCKING EQUATE to 80% of online purchases in a day originating from iPhones, BECAUSE Android phones (which make up 80% of the smartphone market) are capable of spoofing iOS user agents.
In summation, it's a stupid report, based on bad data, that tells us absolutely nothing useful. Now, would you please, please stop prattling on about the goddamn keyboard?
Until you get to the ordering screen, which they didn't take the time to create a mobile version of, and you can't fill out the entire form because the goddamn keyboard keeps popping up and covering the last few entries!
The Nexus 7 works pretty well (Humble Bundle's site takes a huge shit on it, otherwise I haven't had a problem), but I've all but given up trying to order stuff with my smartphone.
Given this report, iOS users don't seem to have a problem.
I can spoof an iPhone/iPad user agent with my Droid.
But I haven't, at least not for online shopping, so I can't tell you whether or not that would make an actionable difference in usability. If it does, that might help explain why a phone that does not have a majority share of the mobile market is seen as being the device in use by the majority share of online shoppers: Android users spoofing iOS user agents.
Personally, I'm still stuck on the question of why this matters at all.
And in other news, rioting at stores decreased by 21%.
Which is a real bummer for me - my favorite part of Black Friday is Red Saturday, when I sit around watching videos and news reports of all the fights that broke out over Tickle-Me-Elmo, or whatever the duke-it-out toy is this year.
the mobile apps are formatted for the small screen negating any advantage of a computer.
Until you get to the ordering screen, which they didn't take the time to create a mobile version of, and you can't fill out the entire form because the goddamn keyboard keeps popping up and covering the last few entries!
The Nexus 7 works pretty well (Humble Bundle's site takes a huge shit on it, otherwise I haven't had a problem), but I've all but given up trying to order stuff with my smartphone.
You've obviously never owned a dog. Sometimes your dog shits twice and you only have one bag. Sometimes you're rushing to work. Sometimes you can't find the shit.
Actually, I've always had dogs; the difference is, I actually take responsibility for my pets, unlike some folks.
Only have one bag? Use it twice. Rushing to work? No excuse for damaging someone else's property. Can't find the shit? Maybe you should be paying attention to your pet instead of finger-fucking your cell phone or whatever else you're distracted by.
Don't be a dick. This (and your) response is that of a psychopath.
That you think my belief that people should take responsibility for themselves (and, by extension, their pets) is the response of a "psychopath" proves several salient points for me: 1) you are apparently one of those selfish, irresponsible dicks who leaves shit lying around for other people to step in, and 2) you don't know what the term 'psychopath' means, either.
That, or you're getting defensive about me calling you on bad behavior, and thus are lashing out in a pathetic attempt to marginalize an opposing viewpoint. Either way, you're not helping yourself by continuing to respond with increasingly aggressive insults.
Because a dick measuring contest is the best way to resolve disputes. Everyone is being a dick here. Take the high road, don't be a dick.
I'm guessing by the context that you don't actually know what the phrase "dick measuring contest" means. Recommendation: Look it up so you can stop using it incorrectly (Hint: You can tell a DMC fairly easily - they often start with something akin to "Oh yea? Well...").
No, the people being dicks are the selfish assholes letting their dogs shit on someone else's property, and not cleaning it up. The property owners/managers are doing their jobs, protecting their property, and trying to give the tenants who aren't total selfish douche-nozzles an opportunity to use the green spaces without having to dodge fucking turd mines.
Having lived in apartments with a shared green space (and fellow tenants who refused to clean up after their pets), I'd take it a step further: place a clause in the lease that states after 3 incidents of having to clean up your dog's shit, you're evicted, on the spot. I bet the issue would self-resolve in a hurry.
Wow, what a wonderful way to improve the already adversarial relationship between property managers and tenants.
I agree, it's a total dick move on the part of the lazy fucks who refuse to clean up after their dogs. Just think, if they'd be responsible adults and clean up after their pets, the managers wouldn't need to waste money on DNA testing, a cost which will inevitably be passed along to the other tenants.
I think throwing people into the mix changes things. People act differenmtly when there are people around, even to the point that apparently a paper silhouette of a person will reduce thefts.
You realize Home Alone was not a documentary, right?
You step out of your car, leaving your keys in the ignition. Someone comes up to you and tells you that the area is crawling with pychotic people, and there is a likelihood that one of them will be taking your car and hitting someone with it. You say it's not your problem and you leave the keys anyway. It is my understanding that Spamhaus is suggesting that you should be fined for that. We can argue that makes sense or not, but can we please agree that this is not about free speech?
But it is free speech; or, more specifically, free expression (which is protected by the same Amendment for us 'Mericans).
Because I have a right to tell that person, "Yea, well, fuck you, because my shit is none of your damn business."
But I'll play your game, since the free speech angle doesn't even have to come into play:
What Spamhaus is suggesting is a perfect example of 'blaming the victim.' Someone steals your shit and uses it for a crime, and they say the person whose shit got stolen should be held accountable? That's not just stupid, it's fucking evil. Like saying a rapist isn't really a rapist because the woman he raped was wearing tight jeans. Oh, and she has to pay a fine for being so damn rape-able.
One more plus for Jolla is that the Android compatibility makes it very easy for other smart phone companies now using Android to change their OS to Jolla’s Sailfish.
Yawn.
Wake me when they release the source and a step-by-step instructable for replacing the current Android build on my paid-for celly.
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Personally, I'm still stuck on the question of why this matters at all.
One platform has a disproportionately high conversion rate in a growing, increasingly important marketing sector and you're confused about why it matters? Do you hate money?
No, just all the stupidity that love of it seems to cause.
P.S. In your effort to seem clever, you failed to explain why what kind of phone people use to shop online with does matter.
Do you hate knowledge?
You appear to be grasping at straws. I suspect this is an attempt by your brain to cope with the cognitive dissonance you are currently experiencing. Why else would you attempt to explain away the facts by ranting about "alternate user agents", a factor which surely represents -- at best -- a rounding error in the data.
Seriously. Give it up. You're not convincing anyone except yourself.
In other words, I'm "grasping at straws" and performing mental gymnastics for pointing out a possible discrepancy in the data collection method... which you subsequently speculate to be inaccurate, based on nothing quantifiable, only your own, personal opinion about user agents.
Well, in that case, may I welcome you to Black Kettle Manor, Mr. Pot...
i was going to mod you up...that is until you involved Wang-Fucking-Chung in this.
It was that or call him Alan Parsons, but IMO Wang-Chung sounds funnier.
Even without a 'k' sound.
"The most obvious explanation"
You keep using that term, but I do not think it means what you think it means.
Then your thinking is flawed.
If you can't explain what makes you think that, I have no compunction to believe you. Besides, you used that phrase twice, on two separate items, to "explain" something completely unrelated. Maybe you're using some weird dictionary?
Now, would you please, please stop prattling on about the goddamn keyboard?
You're the one that admitted that Android has a fundamental flaw with the keyboard that stopped you using it for online purchase.
No, I didn't - I said the keyboard on my smartphone doesn't work right, however if you actually read the entire sentence I said that after pointing out no trouble shopping with my Nexus 7, which is also an Android device. You're inferring shit I never said, because you failed to actually pay attention to the shit I did say. Then tell me my thinking is flawed?
OK, sure thing, dude, whatever you've got to tell yourself. Enjoy that false sense of intellectual superiority.
It does tell you that people who set their smartphone user agent to iOS are more readily willing to part with their cash...
FTFY, considering that the report bases this claim on website traffic.
Like I told BasilBrush, I'm here to make the point that there isn't enough data to make such a strong claim, not get involved in a fan-boy flamewar.
By all accounts autonomous cars are better at spotting potential road hazards, like deer and pedestrians, than people are.
Pretty sure that's just a Law of Averages thing; there are hundreds of millions of non-autonomous cars being operated around the US every day, compared to a few thousand auto-cars. If the numbers were switched (hundreds of millions of auto-cars vs a few thousand diver-operated ones), I'd wager the percentages of who's better at what would be swapped as well.
It makes zero sense for the vehicle control system to have any connection to anything you mentioned.
You are correct - it makes no sense for infotainment systems to be connected to the CAN bus.
So, we've established that doing so makes no sense... which does absolutely nothing to change the fact that they are.
By law, EU countries have to have 15% to 25% VAT for non-essential goods. But it's always included in the price so you're not reminded of it every time you pull out your wallet.
That's funny - when I go look at buying Arduinos straight from the maker's website, all the prices say "+VAT."
Do they just not remind you of it when you're in Europe?
Really, I think that's less an OS limitation than it is a matter of website coders not considering that someone would view the site with a (non-iOS) screen smaller than 7".
It especially does not offer any better explanation than "Android devices using iOS user agents."
Quite the opposite, really.
I'd like to know what percentage of Android users who are not Slashdot users even know that you can do this.
I doubt it's quantifiable, but considering that 0.01% of the US population is still over 3,000,000 people, I'd venture a guess and say: lots.
Bad jokes aside, here's the research bit:
Per this Time article, Android phones make up about 51% of the US mobile phone market. If we take the figures from Wikipedia, there are about 327,578,000 active smartphones in the US. If we divide 327,578,000 by 51%, we get 167,064,780 Android phones currently active.
If even 5% of those Android users know how to switch user agents, that's still 8,353,239 people.
That's more than the entire population of my home state.
That in no way explains how a device owned by about 30% of smartphone users was seen as being responsible for over 80% of online sales.
The most obvious explanation
You keep using that term, but I do not think it means what you think it means.
Here's the gist up to this point:
AC - Mobile apps are formatted for mobile.
This Guy - Yea, but the keyboard on my Android phone fucks up on the ordering screen.
You (BB) - This report seems to indicate that iOS users don't have that issue.
TG - unquantifiable - Android phones can emulate iOS user agent, so that report could be flawed. Also, this whole debate matters not.
BB - explained by iPhone keyboard iz teh winz!
TG - That explains nothing.
BB - explained by Android fonez iz teh cheapxxors!
Which brings us to right here, right now.
Look, Wang-Chung, I'm not going to get into an iQueer vs AnFag flamewar with you, because I couldn't give less of a fuck. My point , as it has been, is this: A report showing that 80% of online purchases in a day originated from devices with iOS user agents DOES NOT FUCKING EQUATE to 80% of online purchases in a day originating from iPhones, BECAUSE Android phones (which make up 80% of the smartphone market) are capable of spoofing iOS user agents.
In summation, it's a stupid report, based on bad data, that tells us absolutely nothing useful. Now, would you please, please stop prattling on about the goddamn keyboard?
Or the more obvious explanation that the iOS keyboard popping up doesn't ever cover up form fields on a web-site.
That in no way explains how a device owned by about 30% of smartphone users was seen as being responsible for over 80% of online sales.
It especially does not offer any better explanation than "Android devices using iOS user agents."
Quite the opposite, really.
This disgusts me.
Walmart, and the other retailers, shouldn't be forcing their employees to come in and work in a madhouse like that on Thanksgiving day.
These people should be at home with their families, beating them up.
Um... I was talking about Black Friday, not Turkey Thursday.
Regardless, I wholeheartedly agree.
Until you get to the ordering screen, which they didn't take the time to create a mobile version of, and you can't fill out the entire form because the goddamn keyboard keeps popping up and covering the last few entries!
The Nexus 7 works pretty well (Humble Bundle's site takes a huge shit on it, otherwise I haven't had a problem), but I've all but given up trying to order stuff with my smartphone.
Given this report, iOS users don't seem to have a problem.
I can spoof an iPhone/iPad user agent with my Droid.
But I haven't, at least not for online shopping, so I can't tell you whether or not that would make an actionable difference in usability. If it does, that might help explain why a phone that does not have a majority share of the mobile market is seen as being the device in use by the majority share of online shoppers: Android users spoofing iOS user agents.
Personally, I'm still stuck on the question of why this matters at all.
And in other news, rioting at stores decreased by 21%.
Which is a real bummer for me - my favorite part of Black Friday is Red Saturday, when I sit around watching videos and news reports of all the fights that broke out over Tickle-Me-Elmo, or whatever the duke-it-out toy is this year.
Damn iPhone, ruining my schadenfreude....
the mobile apps are formatted for the small screen negating any advantage of a computer.
Until you get to the ordering screen, which they didn't take the time to create a mobile version of, and you can't fill out the entire form because the goddamn keyboard keeps popping up and covering the last few entries!
The Nexus 7 works pretty well (Humble Bundle's site takes a huge shit on it, otherwise I haven't had a problem), but I've all but given up trying to order stuff with my smartphone.
You've obviously never owned a dog. Sometimes your dog shits twice and you only have one bag. Sometimes you're rushing to work. Sometimes you can't find the shit.
Actually, I've always had dogs; the difference is, I actually take responsibility for my pets, unlike some folks.
Only have one bag? Use it twice. Rushing to work? No excuse for damaging someone else's property. Can't find the shit? Maybe you should be paying attention to your pet instead of finger-fucking your cell phone or whatever else you're distracted by.
Don't be a dick. This (and your) response is that of a psychopath.
That you think my belief that people should take responsibility for themselves (and, by extension, their pets) is the response of a "psychopath" proves several salient points for me: 1) you are apparently one of those selfish, irresponsible dicks who leaves shit lying around for other people to step in, and 2) you don't know what the term 'psychopath' means, either.
That, or you're getting defensive about me calling you on bad behavior, and thus are lashing out in a pathetic attempt to marginalize an opposing viewpoint. Either way, you're not helping yourself by continuing to respond with increasingly aggressive insults.
Try facts next time.
Because a dick measuring contest is the best way to resolve disputes. Everyone is being a dick here. Take the high road, don't be a dick.
I'm guessing by the context that you don't actually know what the phrase "dick measuring contest" means. Recommendation: Look it up so you can stop using it incorrectly (Hint: You can tell a DMC fairly easily - they often start with something akin to "Oh yea? Well...").
No, the people being dicks are the selfish assholes letting their dogs shit on someone else's property, and not cleaning it up. The property owners/managers are doing their jobs, protecting their property, and trying to give the tenants who aren't total selfish douche-nozzles an opportunity to use the green spaces without having to dodge fucking turd mines.
Having lived in apartments with a shared green space (and fellow tenants who refused to clean up after their pets), I'd take it a step further: place a clause in the lease that states after 3 incidents of having to clean up your dog's shit, you're evicted, on the spot. I bet the issue would self-resolve in a hurry.
Wow, what a wonderful way to improve the already adversarial relationship between property managers and tenants.
I agree, it's a total dick move on the part of the lazy fucks who refuse to clean up after their dogs. Just think, if they'd be responsible adults and clean up after their pets, the managers wouldn't need to waste money on DNA testing, a cost which will inevitably be passed along to the other tenants.
I think throwing people into the mix changes things. People act differenmtly when there are people around, even to the point that apparently a paper silhouette of a person will reduce thefts.
You realize Home Alone was not a documentary, right?
Yes, because people have a right to privacy while breaking into a warehouse.
Where do you get warehouses from? Both TFA and TFS focus on public places such as "neighborhoods and schools."
I'll have you know that I watched several hours of the Olympics (and nothing else ever) in 3D last year, thank you very much.
I'm guessing a split between beach volleyball and ladies tennis.
OK, let's go with the car analogy.
You step out of your car, leaving your keys in the ignition. Someone comes up to you and tells you that the area is crawling with pychotic people, and there is a likelihood that one of them will be taking your car and hitting someone with it. You say it's not your problem and you leave the keys anyway. It is my understanding that Spamhaus is suggesting that you should be fined for that. We can argue that makes sense or not, but can we please agree that this is not about free speech?
But it is free speech; or, more specifically, free expression (which is protected by the same Amendment for us 'Mericans).
Because I have a right to tell that person, "Yea, well, fuck you, because my shit is none of your damn business."
But I'll play your game, since the free speech angle doesn't even have to come into play:
What Spamhaus is suggesting is a perfect example of 'blaming the victim.' Someone steals your shit and uses it for a crime, and they say the person whose shit got stolen should be held accountable? That's not just stupid, it's fucking evil. Like saying a rapist isn't really a rapist because the woman he raped was wearing tight jeans. Oh, and she has to pay a fine for being so damn rape-able.
So, less the blind leading the blind, and more the evil leading the stupid.
Somehow I don't find that all too reassuring...
One more plus for Jolla is that the Android compatibility makes it very easy for other smart phone companies now using Android to change their OS to Jolla’s Sailfish.
Yawn.
Wake me when they release the source and a step-by-step instructable for replacing the current Android build on my paid-for celly.