That implies that populace will get a useful education, that will result in an income that can support spending idiotic amounts of money. Obviouisy, they arent.
Government is part of the problem here as well - they see a shortage in, say, nurses, so they push for every single college entrant to join a nursing program. Of course, the shortage ends before all the students in the programs graduate, so you end up on the other end of the spectrum, with a surplus of people who have a degree they can't use (but still have to pay for). The recent push for STEM students will have the same inevitable conclusion.
The obvious solution is for the government to only concern itself with paying the bill, and stop insisting on determining the track.
While I understand that Amazon's actions are in regards to state taxes, that's not what I was talking about - I was referring to the unilateral contract that allows them to dictate to their customers what said customers can or cannot do with the goods/services rendered.
Sigh... but yea, I'll also point out that this country's taxation system is royally fucked up, if that makes you feel any better.
The weird thing to me is that people refuse to believe that it's going on, even when presented with the confessions of people who had been paid to do it.
That, my friend, is called cognitive dissonance, better known around these parts as doublethink or mental gymnastics - the active denial of reality, when reality counters a strongly held belief.
And I concur, it is quite mindblowing to see in action.
That sums it up. If I was as mature and knowledgeable as I am now it would be different for me and my debt as I suspect for many people. At 18 you are legally an adult but still lacking in the emotional and intellectual maturity which makes you a ripe consumer for debt.
This is why I counsel my nieces and nephews when they get close to college age.
Much as I hate destroying the illusion that life as an adult isn't a constant battle with powerful forces that want you to live in abject poverty, beholden to them for life, I still think it's better than allowing the poor kids to fall into that trap unawares.
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Then who is going to put up the money to loan to students?
The government.
A loan agreement has to be mutually beneficial to both borrower and lender.
Government gives interest free loans, they get a highly educated populace who can afford to spend idiotic amounts of money, thus improving the economy and tax pool. The student gets a good education that leads to a better, healthier, happier life.
It's the definition of a win-win. Also, FWIW, the government isn't supposed to profit from doing it's job. That's kinda one major reason for the existence of government - to do the things that are not necessarily profitable, but must be done for the good of all.
I spent the first year at a community college which is practically free in most states,
As an alumni, former employee, and on-again-off-again student of a state-funded community college, I call bullshit. Tuition at our little school has been going up every year, and with the most recent increase they're charging almost $900 for a single, 4 credit hour class.
That doesn't include books and the myriad of bullshit fees they tack on. My guess is, your first year was "practically free" because of grants (like Pell) and/or scholarships (like A+).
Long story short, because ceteris paribus is utter bullshit. There's a fair chance you got lucky, or live in a state that controls tuition better than others, or are leaving out part of the story (like any scholarships, grants, preferential treatment due to legacy/social/racial status, free credit hours due to employment, etc).
Point being, not all people/situations/opportunities are created equally.
Side note, your exceptional circumstances do not change the absolute fact that the tuition system is seriously gamed against most people.
I'm sure I'm not alone in being fed the fuck up with corporations taking control of different aspects of our lives via unilateral contracts. I think it's high time we demand such obligations be banned, thus empowering consumers to at least have a little say in how a contract is worded and executed.
Unilateral contract == legalized rape entirely too often.
The sad thing about conspiracy theories and the internet age is that no matter how far out or whackjob the theory may be, you can find a dozen videos documenting "proof" of the theory and entire forums full of people who believe in the lunacy and who circle-jerk each other in a frenzy of panic.
The other side of that double-edged sword is that it's now trivial for trolls and misinformation agents to convince the masses that an actual, legitimate conspiracy is "bunk" merely by publicly and regularly lambasting anyone who brings it up. For example, every person who claimed the NSA was spying on Americans, prior to Ed Snowden's recent disclosure.
Not saying that's the case here, just pointing out the flip side.
Considering how voraciously OP is defending their piss-poor grammatical abilities, you'd think some people actually want to sound like fucking imbeciles.
however, the purpose of language is to convey information and ideas.
Indeed; however, when you less speak (or write) the language, and more chew on it and spit it on the sidewalk like a lump of discarded chaw, I, among others, am strongly disinclined to take what you say seriously. Those who either can't be bothered to use the proper spellings/grammar/punctuation, or flat out refuse to do so as you've done here, are telling the world the being correct is not important to them, and thus, their statements are of questionable veracity. It's the difference between talking to an Ivy League professor, or an Appalachian mountain hick - one sounds like he knows what he's talking about, the other you wouldn't trust to give you straight information on anything but the best way to make possum stew.
See, you have a choice: you could educate yourself, actually use spell-check, and proofread your work, thus removing yourself from the criticism of individuals like myself. Or you could be a butthurt little bitch about it, and defend your piss-poor English skills, in spite of the fact they are not worth defending.
P.S. Judging from the plethora of spelling, grammar, and usage errors in your post, either you're trying to piss me off, or you really are as ignorant as I presume. Here's hoping for the former, I really don't like to think of people as complete, abject morons.
There's a call center here in town that will permanently disbar you from employment if you so much as show up 30 seconds late to the mass interview session, or skip a question on their online "application." Learned that one the hard way.
Not like it was a big loss - I wouldn't want to work for assholes like that anyhow.
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If you forgive student loans
Interest-free != forgiven.
That implies that populace will get a useful education, that will result in an income that can support spending idiotic amounts of money. Obviouisy, they arent.
Government is part of the problem here as well - they see a shortage in, say, nurses, so they push for every single college entrant to join a nursing program. Of course, the shortage ends before all the students in the programs graduate, so you end up on the other end of the spectrum, with a surplus of people who have a degree they can't use (but still have to pay for). The recent push for STEM students will have the same inevitable conclusion.
The obvious solution is for the government to only concern itself with paying the bill, and stop insisting on determining the track.
Report to the nearest NSA facility for rehabilitation.
I think they call them "Fusion Centers" now...
I don't know where you live, but it sounds like you're being ripped off.
Well, I'm not, since I dropped those greedy bastards like a hot rock. But I dig what you're saying, and yea, this school's a total scam.
While I understand that Amazon's actions are in regards to state taxes, that's not what I was talking about - I was referring to the unilateral contract that allows them to dictate to their customers what said customers can or cannot do with the goods/services rendered.
Sigh... but yea, I'll also point out that this country's taxation system is royally fucked up, if that makes you feel any better.
Lol, good answer. Kinda ignores the spirit of what I said, but it did give me a good chuckle, so fair's fair.
One good term deserves another:
The weird thing to me is that people refuse to believe that it's going on, even when presented with the confessions of people who had been paid to do it.
That, my friend, is called cognitive dissonance, better known around these parts as doublethink or mental gymnastics - the active denial of reality, when reality counters a strongly held belief.
And I concur, it is quite mindblowing to see in action.
If it's from the Rolling Stone, I'm not interested.
Why? Matt Taibbi is one of the greatest (and few) journalists alive today.
You being butthurt about what the magazine puts on their cover doesn't change that fact.
... you were an idiot at 18. Sad really.
That sums it up. If I was as mature and knowledgeable as I am now it would be different for me and my debt as I suspect for many people. At 18 you are legally an adult but still lacking in the emotional and intellectual maturity which makes you a ripe consumer for debt.
This is why I counsel my nieces and nephews when they get close to college age.
Much as I hate destroying the illusion that life as an adult isn't a constant battle with powerful forces that want you to live in abject poverty, beholden to them for life, I still think it's better than allowing the poor kids to fall into that trap unawares.
Then who is going to put up the money to loan to students?
The government.
A loan agreement has to be mutually beneficial to both borrower and lender.
Government gives interest free loans, they get a highly educated populace who can afford to spend idiotic amounts of money, thus improving the economy and tax pool. The student gets a good education that leads to a better, healthier, happier life.
It's the definition of a win-win. Also, FWIW, the government isn't supposed to profit from doing it's job. That's kinda one major reason for the existence of government - to do the things that are not necessarily profitable, but must be done for the good of all.
Yeah, socialism stinks, right?
Implemented correctly and justly, socialism, capitalism, and even communism are actually not too bad.
However, they are never implemented correctly and justly (though it sounds like you're on the right track).
If the US is doing such a bad job compared to all these countries, why are they still coming here to study and work?
I think you're asking the wrong question.
If the US is doing such a great job, why are so many of your colleagues not Americans?
The issue at hand is not the quality of education, but the outrageous, crippling expense of it.
I spent the first year at a community college which is practically free in most states,
As an alumni, former employee, and on-again-off-again student of a state-funded community college, I call bullshit. Tuition at our little school has been going up every year, and with the most recent increase they're charging almost $900 for a single, 4 credit hour class.
That doesn't include books and the myriad of bullshit fees they tack on. My guess is, your first year was "practically free" because of grants (like Pell) and/or scholarships (like A+).
Why can't others do the same?
Long story short, because ceteris paribus is utter bullshit. There's a fair chance you got lucky, or live in a state that controls tuition better than others, or are leaving out part of the story (like any scholarships, grants, preferential treatment due to legacy/social/racial status, free credit hours due to employment, etc).
Point being, not all people/situations/opportunities are created equally.
Side note, your exceptional circumstances do not change the absolute fact that the tuition system is seriously gamed against most people.
the bubble will burst... right?
FTFY, and yes, yes it will.
I'm sure I'm not alone in being fed the fuck up with corporations taking control of different aspects of our lives via unilateral contracts. I think it's high time we demand such obligations be banned, thus empowering consumers to at least have a little say in how a contract is worded and executed.
Unilateral contract == legalized rape entirely too often.
The sad thing about conspiracy theories and the internet age is that no matter how far out or whackjob the theory may be, you can find a dozen videos documenting "proof" of the theory and entire forums full of people who believe in the lunacy and who circle-jerk each other in a frenzy of panic.
The other side of that double-edged sword is that it's now trivial for trolls and misinformation agents to convince the masses that an actual, legitimate conspiracy is "bunk" merely by publicly and regularly lambasting anyone who brings it up. For example, every person who claimed the NSA was spying on Americans, prior to Ed Snowden's recent disclosure.
Not saying that's the case here, just pointing out the flip side.
In my experience it seems less of a "trying to save a couple weeks of pay" issue, and more of a "vindictive asshole boss" sort of thing.
I pissed them off by quitting, and they reacted angrily. So it goes.
Calm down with the language. OP does not exist. He's just a figment of Dice's imagination, and you have fed the corporate trolls.
I do wonder about that anytime I see an "ask Slashdot" posted by an AC, especially if it's job related.
No worries, even if it is a bot, somehow I doubt my response is the one they're looking for.
... Where, approximately, is "here?"
I think, by arguing specifics, you're missing the spirit of Dr. King's words.
Considering how voraciously OP is defending their piss-poor grammatical abilities, you'd think some people actually want to sound like fucking imbeciles.
however, the purpose of language is to convey information and ideas.
Indeed; however, when you less speak (or write) the language, and more chew on it and spit it on the sidewalk like a lump of discarded chaw, I, among others, am strongly disinclined to take what you say seriously. Those who either can't be bothered to use the proper spellings/grammar/punctuation, or flat out refuse to do so as you've done here, are telling the world the being correct is not important to them, and thus, their statements are of questionable veracity. It's the difference between talking to an Ivy League professor, or an Appalachian mountain hick - one sounds like he knows what he's talking about, the other you wouldn't trust to give you straight information on anything but the best way to make possum stew.
See, you have a choice: you could educate yourself, actually use spell-check, and proofread your work, thus removing yourself from the criticism of individuals like myself. Or you could be a butthurt little bitch about it, and defend your piss-poor English skills, in spite of the fact they are not worth defending.
P.S. Judging from the plethora of spelling, grammar, and usage errors in your post, either you're trying to piss me off, or you really are as ignorant as I presume. Here's hoping for the former, I really don't like to think of people as complete, abject morons.
There's a call center here in town that will permanently disbar you from employment if you so much as show up 30 seconds late to the mass interview session, or skip a question on their online "application." Learned that one the hard way.
Not like it was a big loss - I wouldn't want to work for assholes like that anyhow.
If the author works for a helpdesk in Louisville Kentucky that has a name similar to a certain muscle do yourself a favor and just get out.
Rock?
Venis?
Bergina?
Janus?
C'mon, man, don't leave us hangin!