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Next Up: the Jamming Wars

chicksdaddy writes "ITWorld has an interesting opinion piece on the next privacy battleground, which they say will be over citizens' rights to use jamming technology to (forcibly) opt-out of ubiquitous surveillance, as sensors pop up in more and more public spaces and private homes alike. 'Given the rapid pace of technological change, we don't know exactly what the future holds for us. But one thing is certain: personal privacy is going to turn from a "right" to a "fight" in the next decade, as individuals take up arms against government and private sector snooping on their personal lives.' The article mentions some skirmishes that have already occurred: employees using GPS jamming hardware to prevent employers from tracking their every movement, and the crush of new business for encrypted voice, video and texting services like SilentCircle (up 400% in the last two months). 'Absent the protection of the law, citizens should be expected to do what they do elsewhere: take matters into their own hands: latching onto tools and technology to give them the privacy that they aren't afforded by the legal system. However, there may not be an easy technology fix for ubiquitous, unregulated surveillance. Writing in Wired this week, Jathan Sadowski warns that the tendency for individuals to focus on securing their own data and communications and using technology to do may be misleading. 'The problem is that focusing on one or both of these approaches distracts from the much-needed political reform and societal pushback necessary to dig up a surveillance state at its root,' Sadowski writes."

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  1. When Paintball Guns are Outlawed... by dgatwood · · Score: 1

    Only outlaws will have paintball guns.

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    1. Re:When Paintball Guns are Outlawed... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Worse - you don't bring a paintball gun to a tactical nuclear weapons fight. Sure, us little guys can buy gizmos and change habits but if you have the power of any major government after your ass, you're toast. Even sophisticated people like Laura Poitras are hassled to the point of having to leave the country.

      Unless you've got some major new technology that can defeat the status quo, the only answer is to fight them at the ballot box.

      Goodluckwiththat.

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    2. Re:When Paintball Guns are Outlawed... by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1, Informative

      Exactly. The right to bear arms didn't do Edward Snowden or Bradley Manning a fat lot of good either.

    3. Re:When Paintball Guns are Outlawed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An analogy involving weapons does not make weapons the topic. Your excuse to attack the Second Amendment is even flimsier than the Nirvana Fallacy that you used to do so.

    4. Re:When Paintball Guns are Outlawed... by DougOtto · · Score: 5, Funny

      What we really need is the right to arm bears.

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    5. Re:When Paintball Guns are Outlawed... by operagost · · Score: 1

      They worked for the government.

      Dancing with the devil.

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    6. Re:When Paintball Guns are Outlawed... by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Exactly. The right to bear arms didn't do Edward Snowden or Bradley Manning a fat lot of good either.

      Manning gave up that right when he enlisted. He traded it for the responsibility to bear arms.

      But this brings up an interesting point: encryption tech is still (although not as much as it used to be) treated as munitions by the US government. As such, does the right to properly encrypted data fall under the right to bear arms? Or is the US interpreting the constitution these days to say you can bear as many arms as you want, but munitions are off-limits?

    7. Re:When Paintball Guns are Outlawed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless you've got some major new technology that can defeat the status quo, the only answer is to fight them at the ballot box.

      Ballot box? What's that? You mean that unauditable machine that tells us who will be the next boss?

      If anyone really cared about American politics, they'd be organizing peaceful campaigns to destroy all the voting machines. It'd be worth going to jail for as long as you could smash at least ten percent of them nationwide.

      Let's be honest with ourselves; even if they aren't crooked and rigged already, the fact that they are not auditable ensures that they will be permanently rigged eventually.

      The differences between exit polls and ballots skyrocket in any distric that introduces voting machines. Does that seem right to you? Does it?

    8. Re:When Paintball Guns are Outlawed... by msauve · · Score: 1

      I pay taxes, and assume you do, too. We all work for the government.

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    9. Re:When Paintball Guns are Outlawed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What we really need is to clone Obamaha's electronic signature as neither party seem to know where she stands at anytime

    10. Re:When Paintball Guns are Outlawed... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      If we worked for the government then they'd pay us. By paying taxes that makes us investors in the government.

    11. Re:When Paintball Guns are Outlawed... by slick7 · · Score: 3

      Unless you've got some major new technology that can defeat the status quo.

      Asymmetric warfare, you keep your energy hogging jammers and I'll hide out in my Tora Bora (patent pending) Faraday cage. Try and find me suckers.

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    12. Re:When Paintball Guns are Outlawed... by msauve · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ref: The Company Store. Really, it's not much different than the gov't. We get paid in scrip (fiat currency), don't actually own real property (eminent domain, property taxes), can't even subsist apart from gov't, which forces participation in the government economy (property taxes, again).

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    13. Re:When Paintball Guns are Outlawed... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      But this brings up an interesting point: encryption tech is still (although not as much as it used to be) treated as munitions by the US government. As such, does the right to properly encrypted data fall under the right to bear arms?

      Anything that is too dangerous doesn't fall under the 2nd amendment. The obvious example is, you can't own nuclear weapons. I don't understand why this is the case, but it's how the 2nd amendment is interpreted.

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    14. Re:When Paintball Guns are Outlawed... by Dare+nMc · · Score: 2

      Not like either of them tried that I know of. I know that after Dorner was the most wanted person in the USA, full resources out to get a single man on the run, with a gun in the city. While he did get killed, but I think he killed 2 police before becoming the most wanted, and shot like 5 more police (killing 3 of them) before getting burned to the ground in a cabin. So if 1 trained person, after Police only, with gun kills 5:1; guns are certainly capable of increasing the impact of your change. He didn't have near the dirt of Snowden or Manning, but he certainly got the info he had out with the help of the gun, that he wasn't able to do after first trying without the gun.

    15. Re:When Paintball Guns are Outlawed... by bored · · Score: 1

      I don't understand why this is the case, but it's how the 2nd amendment is interpreted.

      And its BS, because being a privateer and privately owning a ship complete with cannon sufficient to damage major naval vessels, forts and cities was common enough in early American history.

    16. Re: When Paintball Guns are Outlawed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually only the NRC would stop you from owning a nuke. Second amendment and dick v Heller could aruge ownership of a nuke

    17. Re:When Paintball Guns are Outlawed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The voting machines don't need to be rigged.

      The candidates are rigged. The political parties are rigged. Congress is rigged. The judiciary is rigged.

      No matter who you vote for, you're voting for servants of the corporate oligarchy.

    18. Re:When Paintball Guns are Outlawed... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I do agree with you, it's an incorrect interpretation of the law, but there must be some reasoning behind the current interpretation. I'm not sure what the reasoning is.

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    19. Re:When Paintball Guns are Outlawed... by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      Your post is depressingly accurate. Whenever this topic comes up in any discussion people bleat about property rights, and I immediately point out Eminent Domain and ask them what will happen to they property if they don't pay their taxes and that makes them stop and think, and grimace as realization dawns...

    20. Re:When Paintball Guns are Outlawed... by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      "We're the government, the KINGS, and you all are our serfs. We have the military, and you'll do as told while we do whatever the hell we want!"

    21. Re:When Paintball Guns are Outlawed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In many states, oil companies can force you to sell your land. The whole point of eminent domain is it gives the people a way to build resources for the public good so that we can have infrastructure (e.g. roads, post offices) that aren't run by psychopaths for profit. If we didn't have that ability, private companies would force you to sell the land but on much less favorable terms to you, and you can virtually guarantee that the public won't benefit from the sale.

      The same thing goes for property taxes. We move services into the public domain to ensure that minimum acceptable conditions are met. Otherwise we'd have school systems where teachers don't need to have college degrees, school food is provided by Pizza Hut, kids are doing little more than playing video games on their iDevices, and school security is insane for the benefit of private security contractors. We know things will be this way because things are heading in that direction now through corporations buying elections. This means the protections aren't working as well as they should be, but to abolish them is idiocy.

      Don't pretend for a minute that the absence of government would be a land of freedom. It would be like living in a town controlled by the mafia. Everything would be coercive and for-profit, with the added terror of companies competing with each other and all the collateral damage that brings when citizens have no protections.

    22. Re:When Paintball Guns are Outlawed... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      That comment shows a horrible lack of understanding of how government works..........

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    23. Re:When Paintball Guns are Outlawed... by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      But this brings up an interesting point: encryption tech is still (although not as much as it used to be) treated as munitions by the US government. As such, does the right to properly encrypted data fall under the right to bear arms?

      Anything that is too dangerous doesn't fall under the 2nd amendment. The obvious example is, you can't own nuclear weapons. I don't understand why this is the case, but it's how the 2nd amendment is interpreted.

      Which raises yet another question... why does "the land of the free" consider information obfuscation "too dangerous" at the same level as possessing a nuclear warhead?

      And if you think it doesn't, check the paperwork you require to export a cellphone SIM card vs the paperwork you need to export enriched uranium -- it's the same paperwork.

    24. Re:When Paintball Guns are Outlawed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps, first we need to show that this intruding tech can be rejected well. But then, if we keep on living without any change, we are going to be into a kind of hell similar to the actual constant upgrade of our software. Mainly because it is the only way of stopping new attacks. And that is a pointless selfallienation.

    25. Re:When Paintball Guns are Outlawed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now that the Second Amendment has been recognized as an individual right incorporated against the States via the Fourteenth Amendment, would there not be an attack on the Fourteenth Amendment?

      66 Anything that is too dangerous doesn't fall under the 2nd amendment. The obvious example is, you can't own nuclear weapons. I don't understand why this is the case, but it's how the 2nd amendment is interpreted.99

      The peripheral issues of nuclear weapons possession (e.g. radioactive materials and chemical explosives) run afoul of the state's police power to protect public health and safety.

    26. Re:When Paintball Guns are Outlawed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      66 I do agree with you, it's an incorrect interpretation of the law, but there must be some reasoning behind the current interpretation. I'm not sure what the reasoning is. 99

      This reasoning arises from the Progressive Movement. There is to be no challenge to the state's monopoly on lawful use of violence. However, that runs contrary to the original intent for the Second Amendment. It is a doomsday clause and the statists KNOW it.

    27. Re:When Paintball Guns are Outlawed... by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      No, it shows a realistic view of how government ACTUALLY works vs. the Pollyanna fantasy politicians claim it to be

    28. Re:When Paintball Guns are Outlawed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The reasoning is "I don't like it" and "You can't do THAT"

    29. Re:When Paintball Guns are Outlawed... by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      The peripheral issues of nuclear weapons possession (e.g. radioactive materials and chemical explosives) run afoul of the state's police power to protect public health and safety.

      ...but why does encryption fall under the same classification? Does not being able to snoop into people's private lives really adversely affect public health and safety? If it does, the argument could be applied to pretty much anything that hinders law enforcement getting what they want.

    30. Re:When Paintball Guns are Outlawed... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Uh huh, so are you also a truther? Or maybe you believe that Obama isn't really a citizen of the US?

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    31. Re:When Paintball Guns are Outlawed... by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      No, I don;t think Obama is that bad, I voted for him, even though he has fucked up and reneged on a few things. He failed to fix (revoke) the "Patriot Act" and has only made the whole surveillance state 100times worse ...
      His health care bill has become an abomination thanks to his being unable to work around the republican blockage that is the congress that stated first "Our only goal is to make Obama a one-term president" instead of "Our goal is to fix the failing economy and help the citizens of America". And when they failed at that and lost again in 2012 (something I didn't think would've been possible given the state of the economy) their new goal became "Block any and/or everything Obama tries to do".
      While much has been block-worthy, again, the repubs are no better than the dems, especially on that front. Lose the religious nutjobs and the teatards and then maybe the republicans can win the presidency back. The moonbats they put up in 2008 (Palin as VP) and 2012 (Romney) pretty guaranteed they'd lose.
      McCain had a chance until he was saddled with Palin. I thought it was just a way to hurt the dems long term, since no one could fix the downward spiral the economy was in back then, I figured they threw the game just to make the dems look bad for the next four years (which Obama did in some ways). But then in 2012 they still couldn't field a serious challenge, I thought maybe they figured keep dragging the economy and then "w'ere set for 2016 victory!". But not so sure if it's typical GOP malice or stupidity at this point.

      Neither party can be allowed both the Executive and Legislative branch. Both are too extreme still.

  2. Easy solution by girlintraining · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Modern cameras are easy to detect and destroy without leaving any physical evidence. All you need is something capable of sending out a pulse of near-infrared light and then looking for the highest return signal. Visible light will work too, but since we're being sneaky and all. All digital reflect light in the same direction as it is received; an optical quality not found naturally.

    Just shoot a high power laser on a very short duration wherever this quality is found, and you'll burn out the CCD of any nearby digital camera. Be warned however; while this won't happen to humans, animals like cats have eyes which produce similar effect. Make sure you aren't using such a device indiscriminately. As well, the headlights of newer cars also exhibit this quality... so you should manually aim such a device towards a likely camera and then let the optics get a precise fix on the CCD.

    No need to jam... fire once, move on. You can even do it from miles away, where you're not even a single pixel in the frame. All that'll be recorded is a bright flash of multicolored or white light, followed by camera death.

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    1. Re:Easy solution by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Be warned however; while this won't happen to humans, animals like cats have eyes which produce similar effect.

      Yeah, people never get red-eye in photos.

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    2. Re:Easy solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Solution to the cat issues: cats and humans move, cameras either don't or move in patterns. Repeat a few times, and if something pops up consistently take a shot at it, otherwise get a human to look at the image first. Killing cameras isn't urgent unless you're a Shadowrunner who escaped from fiction, so set your thing out for half an hour and make sure you're hitting the right things.

      Or just build it into a backpack and blaze away as you walk down the street, I guess.

    3. Re:Easy solution by dougmc · · Score: 4, Informative

      Modern cameras are easy to detect and destroy without leaving any physical evidence. All you need is something capable of sending out a pulse of near-infrared light and then looking for the highest return signal. Visible light will work too, but since we're being sneaky and all. All digital reflect light in the same direction as it is received; an optical quality not found naturally.

      Um, are you trying to say that digital cameras are retroreflectors? If so, they are not.

      Now, it's possible that the sensor is -- though I've seen no evidence of this -- but don't forget that the sensor is generally behind some lenses and possibly a shutter.

      I do recall a system being deployed in movie theaters designed to prevent filming of the movie with IR signals, but this doesn't require that a digital camera be retroreflective -- instead it just relies on the fact that digital cameras are sensitive to IR and our eyes are not. Using such a device it would be pretty easy to make pictures taken not come out (as long as the IR source was very close to what you're trying to protect) but it won't damage your camera unless it's so incredibly powerful that it's uncomfortable for humans to be near.

      an optical quality not found naturally.

      Um, yes it is. You mentioned cat's eyes already, but there are other things that exhibit this property naturally as well.

      Just shoot a high power laser on a very short duration wherever this quality is found, and you'll burn out the CCD of any nearby digital camera. Be warned however; while this won't happen to humans, animals like cats have eyes which produce similar effect.

      Yes, cats have retroreflective eyes.

      But any laser strong enough to damage a camera CCD (especially through a closed shutter, or a camera not even pointed at the laser) will also damage human eyes. And cat eyes, though the retroreflective property isn't why.

      I don't know where you're getting your information, but you seem to have misunderstood much of it.

    4. Re:Easy solution by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Lasers strong enough to damage a CCD are not legal to own in many places. Weaker lasers blind cameras, but this can easily be overcome with a colour filter applied digitally to the recording. In short lasers are not very good against cameras.

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    5. Re:Easy solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Just shoot a high power laser on a very short duration wherever this quality is found ... while this won't happen to humans ... You can even do it from miles away, where you're not even a single pixel in the frame.

      Did you just tell the world to shoot high powered lasers into people's eyes, and that for sure it would have no ill effects? Fuck you.

    6. Re:Easy solution by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yeah, people never get red-eye in photos.

      Sigh. Red eye is caused by the ABSORPTION of light, not the REFLECTION of light. A retroflector is what is in a CCD, and in a cat's eye. example of red eye example of cat eye. Note the difference.

      Today's classroom science explanation brought to you by Jah-Wren Ryei, the idiot moderator who +1'd someone talking out of their ass, and wikipedia. Stay tuned for more exciting science later in this thread, where we'll go in detail to explore the behind the scenes technology that makes camera 'jamming' a reality, and why for some strange reason only people who have read books on optics can understand... it doesn't detect and blind human eyes.

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    7. Re:Easy solution by wbr1 · · Score: 1

      Sorry girlintraining, I typically like your posts, but this one is woefully misinformed. Perhaps this time it should be girlintrainginbra?

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    8. Re:Easy solution by no-body · · Score: 1

      Modern cameras are easy to detect and destroy without leaving any physical evidence....

      Problem is that the camera caught you before the shot and that gets you nailed.

      Better to bug the hell out of people doing this stuff - identify and shame the crap out of them publicly. I mean, how many people are identified putting up surveillance on a large scale, the suppliers, amounts of contracts the individuals approving etc. Since the established news media is failing, other means are needed.

    9. Re:Easy solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, cats have retroreflective eyes.

      Meh. Collateral damages. Cats are assholes anyway...

    10. Re:Easy solution by Rhacman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, he's describing how to build devices to intentionally destroy public and private property as well as the vision of certain animals. He asserts that one can trust that they are nearly impervious to prosecution due to a presumed lack of necessary evidence to obtain a conviction. He assures us that due to the technique he is proposing that these likely hobbyist quality devices will not inadvertently blind any human beings because his detector will not trigger in such cases.

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    11. Re:Easy solution by ravenscar · · Score: 1

      Completely correct, but retroreflectors are all over the road. I have retroreflective tape on my motorcycle. I have retroreflectors on my running shoes. Most modern road paint is designed to be retroreflective; same thing with street signs. I think something designed to detect and destroy retroreflective objects would be very busy in any environment near a roadway.

      I like your idea and all, it just seems like there would need to be some thought put into an algorithm to weed out retroreflective items that aren't cameras. Even there, I'd be worried about shining a laser into a car with with some sort of onboard camera for legitimate telematics purposes (commercial vehicles, police cars, etc.).

      It seems easiest to me to put on a balaclava, grab a laser, and shine it directly at the camera in question (assuming it can be located). Of course, I suppose it wouldn't take long for the police to put out an APB for a person wearing a balaclava and visiting road intersections.

      I'm not advocating this activity - just thinking through the problem for the fun of it.

    12. Re:Easy solution by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 5, Informative

      Just shoot a high power laser on a very short duration wherever this quality is found, and you'll burn out the CCD of any nearby digital camera

      As someone who has directly shined a 300mw laser directly into a security camera for about 30 seconds from less than 10 feet away, I am going to call bullshit because it didn't damage the camera at all. It did bind it while the laser was on it, but that was it.

      300mw isn't the highest power laser there is by a long shot, but it is already way above the 5mw limit considered safe, but even lasers have beam spread such that shining a multi-watt laser from "miles away" is going to massively reduce the energy density.

    13. Re:Easy solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the red light being perceived by the viewer is being emitted by the "red eye" because its either being emitted by the eye or being reflected by the eye. If it were being emitted by the eye you wouldn't need a light source to see red eye.

      The fact that parts of the eye absorb shorter wavelengths of light are what makes the eye glow red instead of glowing in the color of the light source, but rest assured that a REFLECTION of red light is what is causing red eye.

    14. Re:Easy solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's not just this post that girlintraining is wrong in. it's damn near every post he makes.

    15. Re:Easy solution by sacrilicious · · Score: 1

      Sigh. Red eye is caused by the ABSORPTION of light, not the REFLECTION of light.

      The article you cite does not support your "sigh" at the start of this statement; the article says that red-eye is caused by BOTH absorption AND reflection. Without reflection, pupils would be black, as in everyday life. Without absorption, the light reflected would be some color other than red. *Sigh* :)

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    16. Re:Easy solution by girlintraining · · Score: 1

      Um, are you trying to say that digital cameras are retroreflectors? If so, they are not.

      Direct quote from the wikipedia article you posted:

      In common (non-SLR) digital cameras, where the sensor system is retroreflective. Researchers have used this property to demonstrate a system to prevent unauthorized photographs by detecting digital cameras and beaming a highly-focused beam of light into the lens.

      But any laser strong enough to damage a camera CCD (especially through a closed shutter, or a camera not even pointed at the laser) will also damage human eyes.

      Well yes, if you point them at someone's eye. I already said this in my earlier post. However, absent a high amount of particulate or humidity in the air, the risk to human beings in the area is quite low, assuming you aim it correctly and don't reflect it off something (a retroflector, as you recall, returns the light on a parallel path, so if you are targetting it correctly, the only real risk is to yourself).

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    17. Re:Easy solution by girlintraining · · Score: 1

      As someone who has directly shined a 300mw laser directly into a security camera for about 30 seconds from less than 10 feet away, I am going to call bullshit because it didn't damage the camera at all. It did bind it while the laser was on it, but that was it.

      Yeah, and? For one, you need a much more powerful laser. A 300mW laser is shit. The laser in your bluray burner is about 4.5x more powerful. Second, shining a laser pointer isn't going to do anything to the camera because laser pointers don't have a focusing lens on it. At even a foot away, the beam has already diverged to at least double the size from the front of the device. The square root law means that you were only delivering 1/4th that power over a given surface area then... and I'm guessing, it was probably considerably lower.

      And you're the one that suggested 300mW, not me. I know better; I simply suggested a powerful laser could disable a camera. I did not specify how powerful; You assumed that.

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    18. Re:Easy solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you're the one that suggested 300mW, not me. I know better; I simply suggested a powerful laser could disable a camera. I did not specify how powerful; You assumed that.

      Okay, but 300mW is beyond "normal" for having sitting around somewhere. IIIb lasers are not toys. Hypothetically, great, you can disable cameras with a laser. You can also do it with a rock. Or a paintball. Or bird shit.

      As it happens, you can also destroy people's eyesight... to the point that it is outlawed in warfare by the freaking Geneva Conventions. And just because it is IR doesn't make it safe... there are regulations for IR lasers for even short pulses because they can still be dangerous.

      The thing is that someone on here may come along and think your idea is all great, and they go do it, and don't understand the risks on the level that you say you do. It's like saying that you don't like the homeless guy down the street from you, the plague would keep him away from you. You're not saying the bubonic plague necessarily, people might assume that, but you didn't say...

      The laser in your bluray burner is about 4.5x more powerful.

      Oh, and I call bullshit one more time... 300mW is more than enough for a Blu-Ray burner...

      http://nitroxlasers.com/store/200mw-blu-ray-burning-laser-module-405nm.html

    19. Re:Easy solution by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 1

      > Yeah, and? For one, you need a much more powerful laser.

      I did more than what you said and it didn't work the way you said. Your leaving out details is your fault, not mine.

      If you aren't willing to specify how much wattage is necessary then you have no standing to whine that the laser isn't powerful enough.

      Same thing with the focusing lens - you want to add specifications after the fact, it may be true but you were completely disingenuous by leaving out the requirements.- after all you literally said "just shoot a high power laser."

    20. Re:Easy solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Direct quote from the wikipedia article you posted:

      Holy crap, what happened to the world? We can quote Wikipedia now? Look at what the page says... "now"... okay, not really... but we have the source that the Wikipedia article quotes...

      http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/FutureTech/story?id=1139800&page=1

      And it's true CCDs are at least sort of retroreflectors (not perfectly... never seen a clear plastic or glass thing put in front of a CCD before? I think they call them lenses... even my crappy cell phone sensor is covered) Anyway, the important thing to note is that they discuss messing up the video temporarily -- so that it makes bad pictures -- not unidentifiable pictures, and not destroying the sensor. And this is badly quoted researchers, so think 20 years from actually something you would consider doing.

      So basically, if a bunch of cameras get destroyed and blind people start showing up in hospitals... uh... FBI, look over here!!

    21. Re:Easy solution by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

      Just shoot a high power laser on a very short duration wherever this quality is found, and you'll burn out the CCD of any nearby digital camera.

      It's claimed LED's will obscure your face; LED's can be placed in a base ball cap

      The Anonymous Guide to Hiding From Facial Recognition, or the Long Arm of the Law (shows the use of a laser pointer)
      http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2012/08/the-anonymous-guide-to-hiding-from-facial-recognition-or-the-long-arm-of-the-law/

      So I bought a LED cap at a gun shop of all places for $12.
      http://www.walmart.com/ip/Huntworth-Men-s-Lighted-Baseball-Cap-Oak-Tree/15111206

      I've had it for a month now and haven't tested it to see if it block out my web cam or if I'll need to replace the LED's with IR LED's (I'm sure I will)
      but I have a base, all the hard work is done.

    22. Re:Easy solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Holy crap, +5 informative?
      Is everyone on Slashdot a fucking moron?

      If you see the light, Einstein, it means it got REFLECTED.
      It's only the non-red colors that get absorbed or scattered.
      Moreover, it shows that in humans lower frequencies tend to be REFLECTED better than higher frequencies.
      If you would have worked with near IR imaging, like i have, you would have known that eye REFLECTION is much more pronounced in these light frequencies.

      It is therefore HIGHLY LIKELY that your laser idea would target human eyes besides ccd cameras.

    23. Re:Easy solution by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      A variation on the old rule 'if it moves, salute it, if it doesn't move paint it white' ?

    24. Re:Easy solution by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Try capturing an image from the camera and then filtering out the colour of the laser (i.e. if you have a red laser simply drop the red channel). You will find you still have a reasonable image.

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    25. Re:Easy solution by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 1

      It was a black and white camera.

    26. Re: Easy solution by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      Do like they do in the movie "Four Lions" and just constantly shake your head rapidly to evade surveillance.

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  3. Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Jamming is broadcasting noise and would pretty trivially fall into the category of "vandalism" since it not only hides you but also hides anyone near you who may want to be tracked. It also is a poor choice for "laying low" since they can track the movements of the jammer trivially (it's the really noisy thing that's blocking out every other signal).

    The reality is that privacy is and has always been an illusion created by inefficient management of information. And most of the societal issues erosion of the illusion causes are better fixed by addressing the underlying cause of the problem not by the willful ignorance that is "privacy laws".

    1. Re:Nope by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      The reality is that privacy is and has always been an illusion created by inefficient management of information.

      No. It isn't. See (and read) the content my signature link points to.

      Privacy is as much a real thing as any other agreed-upon facet of a socially co-operative society. It can be enhanced; it can be eroded. There are potential benefits, and there are potential challenges. We're currently on a path to considerably less privacy, and the challenges are beginning to rear their heads at multiple points in our social structure. One of them is folks such as yourself who develop various limiting definitions and then spread them about -- this is exactly the same tactic the government uses as an erosive tool.

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  4. I'm Having Trouble with the Radar Sir by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Raspberry. There's only one man who would dare give me the raspberry: Lone Star!

    1. Re:I'm Having Trouble with the Radar Sir by Russ1642 · · Score: 1

      I knew it. I'm surrounded by assholes.

    2. Re:I'm Having Trouble with the Radar Sir by mortonda · · Score: 1

      I clicked on this story just to find this.

  5. LIcense Plate Scanners by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This one is only good for those cameras that use a flash:

    http://www.nophoto.com/

    I'm thinking it might be possible to build a "clear" overlay with a bunch of infra-red LEDs built in in a pattern that is invisible to the naked eye but fuzzes the numbers for any camera that sees in the infra-red (most of them). Put that over your plate and run it all the time, even when the car is parked anywhere except in your garage.

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    1. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Just get a license plate consisting of a mix of 1, I, L, D, O, 0. The characters are too similar to each other for a camera to pick up unless they are 3 ft away.

    2. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/mythbusters-database/way-to-beat-police-speed-cameras.htm

      ...the MythBusters determined that the only way to fight speed cameras was with speed itself — and lots of it. Speed camera sensors can generally detect cars traveling up to 200 miles per hour.

      So, in theory, you can crank up a hot rod capable of speeds greater than 200 mph and beat the camera. Well, until you're nabbed for reckless driving and excessive speeding, that is.

    3. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by bmo · · Score: 2

      >Just get a license plate consisting of a mix of 1, I, L, D, O, 0

      How well can I sneak a vanity license plate request through the receptionist at the Registry that says "D1LD0?"

      What if I say it's a town in Canada?

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    4. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

      I cannot imagine how people think deliberately obscuring your license plate could ever possibly be legal

    5. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by Entropius · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It'd be easier if citizens, fed up with them, just spraypainted over their apertures.

      There is spray paint covering half of Baltimore. Why not just add a little more?

    6. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I cannot imagine how people think deliberately obscuring your license plate could ever possibly be legal.

      Because it isn't obscured - to humans. The law doesn't say it needs to be readable by machines.

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    7. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This one is only good for those cameras that use a flash:

      The ones that take your photo when you break the speed limit? If only there was some other way to avoid getting your photo taken by those...

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    8. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by CanHasDIY · · Score: 0

      http://science.slashdot.org/story/07/04/23/2218246/busting-the-mythbusters-yawn-experiment

      You really shouldn't use pseudo-science performed by special effects artists as a reference.

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    9. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by bobbied · · Score: 1

      There are many... 1. Don't speed.... 2. Don't go near them when you do.... Etc..

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    10. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    11. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by johanw · · Score: 1

      That still doesn't make it legal (that may depend on your jurisdiction), but it will of course seriously reduce the chance of getting caught.

    12. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The mythbusters wouldn't broadcast a solution that worked for fear of getting sued. And in any case, their inept engineering skills generally make their tests invalid. Mythbusters is to scientific experimentation as Top Gear is to motoring - pure entertainment, nothing more. The pathetic attempt at a chaff launcher in that speed camera episode was particularly cringe-worthy.

    13. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nice snark, but in the nation that allows any nutjob to buy a bedroom full of automatic weapons and enough ammo to supply a small war, it's absolutely pathetic that you have a 50mph speed limit on major roads. In countries where we have few guns and much higher speed limits, far fewer people die. You have the right to bear arms - where's the right to drive at a reasonable speed?

    14. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 5, Informative

      http://science.slashdot.org/story/07/04/23/2218246/busting-the-mythbusters-yawn-experiment

      You really shouldn't use pseudo-science performed by special effects artists as a reference.

      Why not? Unlike the badly done yawn experiment, the license plate experiment was done by testing license plate cameras with a wide range of products, including the one the parent mentioned. The camera had no problem capturing the plate (much to my surprise, for that's the one product I thought would work).

      Any time the result can be proven in such a manner, where the products are tested plus the claims on why the products are supposed to work are debunked, I'd trust the results. Whenever they start "testing" with too many variables, the bad science is pretty obvious, and using it as a reference is just silly.

      If Mythbusters was known to fake results, that'd be one thing... as it is, they just often have faulty tests (and then get plenty of feedback on what they did wrong). That's the scientific method at work -- you just have to supply your own critical thinking.

    15. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You really shouldn't use pseudo-science performed by special effects artists as a reference.

      You realize that it isn't pseudoscience, right? It's true science. The article you linked didn't even dispute that. It disputed the analysis of the results and thus its conclusions, but otherwise it was a sound experiment.

      Pseudoscience relies on something that is impossible to replicate - like say, creationism (intelligent design - though there was evolution from creationism to intelligent design - they found a transition fossil in the documentation). Or ESP.

      Just because it's on TV doesn't automatically make it "bad" - they follow the scientific method (hypothesis, experimentation, analysis, conclusions) and people are free to reproduce the experiments. The only caveat is "don't try this at home" because replication can require special knowledge. But they lay bare the steps they took and their data.

      And yes, science does come up (often) with errors in procedure, errors in analysis, and errors in conclusion. Even in regular scientific studies.

      Is it sensationalized? Of course. It's a TV show, one that's fighting for eyeballs and ad money like everything else. But to dismiss it does a real disservice to everyone to whom thinks "science is hard and boring".

      If you think speed cameras are easy to defeat, then repeat their experiment. You can choose to use their equipment or someone else's (remember part of the conclusion is to determine why your results differ, and it could be equipment used - has happened many times before).

      In general, those sprays are worthless, though. And plastic holographic covers are easy to tell because they usually easily obscure your license place at ground level (i.e., if it works for the camera, the cops will easily notice it too and fine you for obscuring your plate).

      Also, in general, jammers and such are easily detected - if you're trying to prevent your face from being imaged, then you'll either wear IR glasses or funny facepaint, in which case people remember you as the "guy with the funny glasses or funny makeup". Try to look more normal and boring, and people forget you the moment you pass them.

      Same goes for jammers and such - a jammer is a transmitter and those are trivially easy to spot.

      Part of evading surveillance is trying to not stand out. Making your emails encrypted, wearing odd clothes or accessories, funny makeup, transmitters all call attention to yourself and bring MORE surveillance on you. Being absolutely boring and looking like everyone else and not sticking out? Well now, you've just made it a lot harder because you look, act, and behave like everyone else and is completely forgettable.

    16. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      Alright, fair enough; I concede the point (how often does that happen on the internets?).

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    17. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Up in Montana perhaps? Seriously, you cannot be suggesting that speed limits are unnecessary and you use the example of the 2nd amendment to justify your logic?

      Wow... How far has the educational system in this country fallen... We used to know what our rights where and why we had them.. Apparently we don't teach that anymore.

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    18. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if I say it's a town in Canada?

      Actually, it is.

    19. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    20. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      the license plate experiment was done by testing license plate cameras with a wide range of products, including the one the parent mentioned.

      No they did not. I don't even need to watch the episode to know they didn't test the nophoto camera jammer - because it didn't exist 6 years ago when they ran the show. It is the result of an indiegogo crowd-funding campaign and only started shipping this year.

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    21. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      I was just wondering if there were someone that you could positively say was a leader, if not a king, of the cunts, and then you posted affirming that it was indeed the case.

      Thank you, I certainly have had more than my fair share of cunts, but right now I'm mainly a one-cunt guy.

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    22. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by timeOday · · Score: 1

      Going the speed limit is dangerous, because you are going slower than everybody around you.

    23. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by Kaenneth · · Score: 1

      I'm sure a judge would just love that line of logic, and not give you the maximum penalty after you basically admit you did it deliberately in an attempt to avoid the law.

      And I'm sure an officer wouldn't see that you are trying to evade the law, and so spend extra time searching you vehicle in great detail to find every possible other equipment violation.

      And I'm sure your defense attorney wouldn't call you a fool, because you're the type who would represent himself, and get all angry at the system for failing to be cheated by your cleverness.

      Your fundamental mistake is not realizing the the legal system is not bound by strict logical rules.

    24. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I don't know how susceptible the cameras are, but I suspect a row or two of IR LEDs above and below the numbers might well be sufficient. At this point you haven't even come close to obscuring the license plate, you've merely put a nice bright light source nearby. Even the approach of having some IR LEDs on top of the plate itself might be judged legal (again, humans can read it).

    25. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 1

      I'm sure a judge would just love that line of logic, and not give you the maximum penalty after you basically admit you did it deliberately in an attempt to avoid the law.

      That logic can only go so far, at some point it becomes the equivalent of if you don't help the police then you are trying to avoid the law. Where is that line? In the cases of speed and red-light cameras the states have circumvented the people's 6th amendment right to confront their accuser by making them civil violations. Seems to me that cuts both ways, if it isn't a crime then there was no intent to avoid the law.

    26. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by SJ · · Score: 2

      The only problem there is that it won't be long before those cameras start taking photos of everyone, regardless of speed. That data, along with everything else, can then be used to track you.

      It's just a side-effect that they can make some extra coin from those people that are speeding.

    27. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1
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    28. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 1

      it IS legal unless it is expressly legislated to be illegal.

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    29. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 1

      Hey, it's not my fault if the police chose to use a machine that was inferior to the human eye.

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    30. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 1

      I believe his point is they actually train people to drive properly and as such don't need ridiculously lower speed limits to compensate for the morons on the road.

      The guns issue is pretty self explanatory, less guns = more people still alive.

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    31. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If I recall, the plate surround Mythbusters tested had a screen with polarized film on it. Such a device may actually work to obscure a plate, provided the camera lens or enclosure is also polarized at 90 degrees to it. (Possible, but unlikely.)

      The thing being shown here is different. It's an active device using high output IR LEDs to overexpose and blow out data captured by the camera's CCD sensor, making the captured image unusable.

      To be honest though, the IR camera jammer could be made easily by DIY types with some mail-order LEDs and a resistor conveniently tapping into the circuit for the license plate lamp. Probably a lot cheaper that way. And hats or other clothing items can be made to work using the same principle with fairly cheap LEDs to prevent identification by security cameras, most of which purposely don't have an IR filter so they can see with "night vision".

    32. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by bobbied · · Score: 2

      I think you seriously underestimate the ability of the average person to accurately judge their ability to drive their cars. Most people don't know how bad they really are at driving, and I'm sure you are no exception. The morons will *always* be out there doing stupid things with their cars right in front of you or driving too fast behind you, speed limits or not.

      This less guns leads to less death idea is not supported by the facts. In the town I live in, we are one of the 10 lowest violent crime locations in the country and we have conceal carry permits, multiple shooting ranges and folks carrying guns around all the time. Go to Chicago, where guns are illegal, and folks are dropping like flies from high speed lead poisoning just walking down the street. I live really close to Dallas too, which isn't all that more dangerous, despite Texans affinity for firearms. I likely can't prove it to you, but more guns in the right hands would be a good for saving lives.

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    33. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by jittles · · Score: 1

      That still doesn't make it legal (that may depend on your jurisdiction), but it will of course seriously reduce the chance of getting caught.

      It's also perfectly legal to jam LIDAR in most states. THe only reason jamming radar is illegal is due to FCC Regs. The FDA governs the use of lasers and they have not made it illegal to jam LIDAR. Of course this is obviously a US-centric comment.

    34. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by Molochi · · Score: 1

      I haven't seen too many 50MPH Speed limit signs. 25 is common in schoolzones. 45 is common on multilane roads inside city limits. 55 is typical for high traffic expessways inside citylimits or on highways near populated areas. Federal Interstate asphalt is usually 65 or 75mph.

      Nit picking aside. Citizens of the USA do not have the right to drive, at any speed, on public roads. We also do not have the right to keep and bear arms any more, not even a pointy stick. Some semi-automatic weapons are still allowed if you are a citizen in good standing, but even standard, infantry issued, automatic small arms require per weapon federal approval.

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    35. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by Guest316 · · Score: 1

      Avoiding license plate scanners is easy. Switch to bicycle.

    36. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by advocate_one · · Score: 1

      They're already doing that. Those average speed cameras being set up do automatic number plate recognition to track your time between the two points. This dataset is retained by the police instead of being dumped automatically after use. Ideally, if you are not exceeding the speed limit, your number plate details and times should be erased from the data, but they're NOT doing this as it's too convenient for them to gather number data and times for later use.

      This is why you continue to hear stories on the news how they were able to track down that a suspect was in a particular area at the time of the crime as a justification for the retention of this data.

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    37. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by drkim · · Score: 2

      The law doesn't say it needs to be readable by machines.

      Yeah, except for, like, this part:

      V C Section 52017 6(c) A casing, shield, frame, border, product, or other device that obstructs or impairs the reading or recognition of a license plate by an electronic device operated by state or local law enforcement, an electronic device operated in connection with a toll road, high-occupancy toll lane, toll bridge, or other toll facility, or a remote emission sensing device, as specified in Sections 44081 and 44081.6 of the Health and Safety Code, shall not be installed on, or affixed to, a vehicle.

      (Your state may vary...)

    38. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, bloody hell, Dallas is very different from Chicago. You can make comparisons when everything else is equal, but if not, the comparison is weak, very weak. Or to use a TV analogy...

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii8q1Uw-g-E

    39. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In particular, let's see here...

      http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=dallas+versus+chicago&dataset=

      Population is about double. Population density is about quadruple. And unemployment rate is about double. None of those things are related to crime rate, right?

      It is like when bad weather causes a drop in the rate of crime in NYC... because simply fewer people encountering each other means fewer crimes. You want to counter that Dallas is as urban as Chicago, so you can't use the urban versus rural gun owner issue, but in fact Dallas is not nearly the same type of city as Chicago.

    40. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Rather than trying to prevent the car from being identified you need to prevent yourself from being identified, which is pretty easy when driving. As long as they can't prove who was driving they can't fine/prosecute anyone.

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    41. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

      all it would take is for the laws to be written so that

      "In the cases where the driver of the vehicle can not be identified the registered owner of the vehicle shall be charged with the infraction unless it can be shown that the owner had no knowledge of the vehicle being operated or being made available for use."

      so in short unless you have your car being stolen you get the ticket.

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    42. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      operated by state or local law enforcement

      Most of these cameras are operated by 3rd party companies that take a cut of the revenue in exchange for not charging up front.

    43. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by hypergreatthing · · Score: 1

      after you basically admit you did it deliberately in an attempt to avoid the law.

      Isn't our entire judicial system predicated on the desire to avoid the law? Or is there a club dedicated to breaking laws and handing out merit badge like awards that i am not aware of?

      ...
      If so can i join?

    44. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by chihowa · · Score: 1

      Which is exactly the point he was making. In the US, lower gun crime is not correlated with lower legal gun ownership.

      If you look at the places in the US with high gun crime, they clearly have many other more prominent issues that motivate crime. When those places place heavy gun ownership restrictions in place, the gun crime doesn't significantly drop. Other places in the country, with both high and low gun ownership, don't share this prevalent gun crime rate (or overall violent crime rates) and also don't share the prominent issues mentioned above. Perhaps the factors that correlate with gun crime (and violent crime in general) are actually poverty, high population density, unemployment, gang participation (ie. social problems) and not gun ownership (especially legal gun ownership).

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    45. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by zildgulf · · Score: 1

      In the US any action is legal unless there is a law against it, at least it is as long as there are people who insist that is true. We need to not only let people go who have committed no crime as the law is written but the system needs to be sanctioned if it becomes clear that someone has violated no law and continues to unlawfully detain or take legal action against such individuals. BTW, we, the people, are the final arbiters of what is legal and illegal. The problem is that too many people have given up this right and/or misunderstand the justice system thinking juries are just rubber stamps to the prosecution.

      So, NSA, tell our locals stop sending me to jury duty since I understand jury nullification and would be an automatic strike.

    46. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by zildgulf · · Score: 1

      Wow, a first on the innerwebs!

    47. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      You guys are referring to the first camera episode done 6 years ago, which didn't include the nophoto jammer, and had multiple other issues (like the horrible attempt at a chaff jammer). They revisited the camera recently and tested the newer products. The manufacturer of the camera then explained why the nojammer doesn't work (their cameras don't just use IR for focus and speed sensing).

      The problem, as I understand it, is that the nojammer, while obfuscating from the CCD in the IR range, provides an easily trackable token for the cameras (large IR glare from plate surface) which actually makes tracking and focus EASIER. The camera is then able to filter out IR when processing the actual plate image. This wouldn't work on a consumer camera (which wouldn't be able to focus on the plate, nor do the CCD analysis software packages include the right filters), which is why these devices can be believably sold (because anyone using a regular camera will see the washout effect).

      To really work, the IR camera jammer has to target the CCD itself (probably via high-powered IR laser). It might even be possible to use a polarized filter in tandem with a weaker IR source to first limit the light to a specific polarity, and then flood that polarity with IR. But anything using unpolarized IR in a reflective way is going to be hit-and-miss at best.

    48. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      all it would take is for the laws to be written so that

      "In the cases where the driver of the vehicle can not be identified the registered owner of the vehicle shall be charged with the infraction unless it can be shown that the owner had no knowledge of the vehicle being operated or being made available for use."

      so in short unless you have your car being stolen you get the ticket.

      The city I live in tried that; an ex-highway patrol officer fought it all the way to the state Supreme Court, and won.

      You can't cite cars for infractions, nor can you cite the owner of car without proof that they themselves were operating it at the time.

      Not in MO, at least.

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    49. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 1

      This less guns leads to less death idea is not supported by the facts.

      Yes it is, quite clearly. Look at most any civilized country and compare gun ownership rates to gun violence and you'll see a marked correlation and we're very high on both counts. Places without gun violence don't have a lot of guns available.

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    50. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Well, if that's what you want to think, I don't agree, violence still happens in places w/o guns. But it doesn't really matter.

      If you really think you are correct I suggest that you just go start the process of getting the constitution changed. That pesky 2nd amendment is going to be a problem for you.

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    51. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by advocate_one · · Score: 1

      your linky thing is broken. Here's where you were trying to link to

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    52. Re:LIcense Plate Scanners by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      This is why you continue to hear stories on the news how they were able to track down that a suspect was in a particular area at the time of the crime as a justification for the retention of this data.

      Do you? I haven't heard any.

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  6. XKCD is on it by CambodiaSam · · Score: 1

    Quite timely: http://xkcd.com/1251/

  7. He's foolish. by Oligonicella · · Score: 2

    It's not a zero-sum game. One can do what one can *now* to protect one's self AND work to create the proper safeguards.

    1. Re:He's foolish. by flayzernax · · Score: 2

      Were a long ways off from needing to jam... But seriously there are much better solutions to being spied on. Jamming is a bad one, and last resort. I would reserve only for a war zone. It's far to disruptive to legitimate communication and does more harm than simply switching modes of communication. (Wireless to wired, mail to in person).

    2. Re:He's foolish. by program666 · · Score: 1

      that's not what a zero-sum game is

    3. Re:He's foolish. by program666 · · Score: 1

      forget my other comment, I read yours wrong but it seems I can't delete or edit the other one

  8. As a wise man once said by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ooh, yeah! All right!
    We're jammin':
    I wanna jam it wid you.
    We're jammin', jammin',
    And I hope you like jammin', too.

    Ain't no rules, ain't no vow, we can do it anyhow:
    I'n'I will see you through,
    'Cos everyday we pay the price with a little sacrifice,
    Jammin' till the jam is through.

    We don't need the NSA
    To record the things we say
    Or the things we dooooo

    No matter how we try
    we're surounded by Wi-Fi
    transmissions tooooooo

    Now dey watch us wid their drones
    and their trackin our cell phones
    I guess we scroooooooed

    No bullet can stop us now, we neither beg nor we won't bow;
    Info can be bought nor sold.
    We all defend the right; Jah - Jah children must unite:
    Your life is worth much more than gold.

     

  9. What right to privacy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If people have to resort to (illegal) jamming, what right to privacy does our legal system actually afford?
    Congress is so woefully slow to help.

  10. Re:What's wrong with being tracked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too obvious. Try again, please.

  11. Employers by jklovanc · · Score: 1

    If you don't want to be tracked by an employer who tracks then find and employer who does not track. I have no problem with an employer knowing where I am during working hours. I am on their time. If they track me on my time then there is an issue.

    1. Re:Employers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Actually, most companies already track you on "your" time. There are all kinds of sources of information and employers use this information against employee already. Criminal arrests will get you fired--whether charges are true or false; whether you are found guilty or not; etc. Credit abuse will get you fired--whether the credit reports are false or true. Large purchases show up on credit reports, newspapers, trade magazines, etc. United Way & "volunteer" efforts also can be used to keep track of you. Access to law enforcement agencies database is easily achieved. (There are terminal in Sam's that connect to the sheriff's network and many of the security people are commissioned officers.) There is so much information published about everyone, or at lest everyone with the same name as you, that you can be easily tracked on "your" time. There are employers that employee people to keep up with employees do on their "time".

    2. Re:Employers by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      The discussion is about location tracking of individuals.

      Most of your arguments are specious at best. Where are the citations for any of these charges? I have never seen any of my large purchases showing up in trade magazines.

      There are terminal in Sam's that connect to the sheriff's network and many of the security people are commissioned officers.

      It is called the internet.

    3. Re:Employers by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 1

      Yeah I have a friend who has a company supplied phone and they are expressly forbidden from turning off the GPS on the device - termination offense. Fully disclosed mind you but I would so be putting that thing down at 5pm and leaving it at the office. My friend enjoys the free cell service in exchange.

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    4. Re:Employers by zildgulf · · Score: 1

      I have this too but it is for a specific purpose, to find out if I can get to the office and prep for an emergency in a given time slot. For disaster recovery we have to respond to any emergency all day every day. If another company had that policy I might say "bollocks" to that if they have the staff to handle anything at any time.

    5. Re:Employers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Your time" and "their time" ended somewhere between Nixon pulling the dollar off gold and the passage of the H1B law (1971-1991). "Your time" either means you are either on welfare, a trust fund baby or self-employed. Employment makes it all "their time".

  12. or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A slightly more moderate idea might be to vote for politicians that support to your beliefs such as right to privacy. For example, vote for the guy that wants to remove speed cameras from the city/county/state you live in and so forth. Or you can just commit vandalism against government property and accept the risks associated with that.

    1. Re:or... by Entropius · · Score: 1

      the guy that wants to remove speed cameras from the city/county/state you live in

      There isn't one. This is a real problem in states that don't support citizen initiatives.

  13. Re:What's wrong with being tracked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >If you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about.

    No.

  14. GPS jamming near an airport by Misch · · Score: 2

    Interestingly enough, there was a guy who was recently busted for putting a GPS jammer on his truck. It was discovered when he drove near an airport and impacted the testing of GPS-enhanced plane landing equipment.

    Source.

    The person was fined $32,000 and was fired by the company he was working for.

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    1. Re:GPS jamming near an airport by bobbied · · Score: 2

      And rightly so. Running around jamming GPS signals is a *serious* problem for a lot of things these days. Fines from the FCC *should* be quickly metered out for such foolishness. Glad to see that they are.

      Trying to hide one's location from your employer when on duty is possibly a bad idea too. One would assume that the employer had a valid interest in knowing where their equipment was and had installed the GPS based equipment for that purpose. The driver's attempts to mask his location was inexcusable and leads to a whole lot of "so where where you exactly?" questions that he likely could not answer truthfully and keep his job. Return all company equipment, fired with cause, no unemployment, don't pass go, don't collect $200, we will mail your last check and don't let he door hit you on the way out.

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    2. Re:GPS jamming near an airport by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fines from the FCC *should* be quickly metered out for such foolishness.

      The word you're looking for is "meted", as in "To distribute by or as if by measure; allot: mete out justice." Help make the world a more intelligent and educated place.

      Your humble spelling nazi.

  15. jamming tech wont be allowed by wierd_w · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The whole "personal jammer" thing is a non-starter. Jammers are indescriminate, and the usual rhetoric used to make them illegal will apply.

    Take for instance, with personal cellphone jammers. They are illegal in the united states, specifically cited by the FCC. The reason, is that they disrupt vital comminications infrastructure, and can therefor prevent expedient deployment of emergency services, an other vital services that rely on the availability of that communication medium.

    In the case of the surveylance industry, the argument can be made that cameras make the community safer, by helping law enforcement to identify and rapidly locate dangerous criminals, and that disrupting this system places the community at greater risk.

    Those are totally specious arguments in most of the applied settings they would be used in, but that doesn't matter. Think of it as a horrible cousin to the "think of the children!" Rhetoric. Or, maybe the "interstate commerce" doctrine.

    Personal jamming tech is a nonstarter for legal defense against ubiquitous tracking and surveylence.

    About the only thing left, then, is relentless use of it anyway, as a dedicated civil disobedience movement. Yes, that means pleading guilty to the charge in court when arrested, as per the proper use of civil disobedience as a tactic. You want to swamp the justice system with burdensome numbers of people to incarcerate, with a near 100% recidivism rate.

    It has to cost them far more money than their corporate puppeteers make from the mandatory protection and employment of the surveylence. It has to do this consistently, and without fail.

    Otherwise, there will always be the profit motive, and the corruption that money has on government, and the surveylence state will persist.

    1. Re:jamming tech wont be allowed by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1, Insightful

      FWIW, I really, really want to take your post seriously, but it's nigh impossible to do so when you consistently mis-spell the word, "surveillance"

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    2. Re:jamming tech wont be allowed by bobbied · · Score: 2

      Jamming RF communications is simply illegal and needs to be. The FCC takes a pretty dim view of the average citizen just deciding to disrupt licensed radio services for *any* reason they choose and this is how it SHOULD be. The FCC has authority over anything that puts off RF energy, either on purpose or incidentally and can (and will) require you to turn off equipment that is interfering with RF communications. If you don't obey, or they figure you are jamming on purpose, they can fine you, confiscate your equipment or otherwise get you off the air.

      Sitting in a movie theater jamming cell phone service to keep folks from getting calls during your movie may sound like a good idea, but the problem is you just cannot know how far your jamming signal is going. As others have pointed out, jamming signals are pretty much the equivalent of putting a flashing light on the thing you are trying to protect, and makes it easy to find with very little problem. All you need is an antenna, A way to attenuate the signal and a receiver and you can find a hidden transmitter in fairly short order. Add a directional antenna and it gets even faster.

      Don't be stupid... Leave the jamming equipment at home with your IR Camera killers and flashing device that changes red lights to green.

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    3. Re:jamming tech wont be allowed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's great if you're just occupying wall street and getting stoned, but for those of us with a respectable job we've got a bit more to lose once we have a criminal record.

    4. Re:jamming tech wont be allowed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      About the only thing left, then, is relentless use of it anyway, as a dedicated civil disobedience movement. Yes, that means pleading guilty to the charge in court when arrested, as per the proper use of civil disobedience as a tactic. You want to swamp the justice system with burdensome numbers of people to incarcerate, with a near 100% recidivism rate.

      Oh, I'm fairly sure you fuckers will just be killed while "resisting arrest". Keeps dangerous people off the streets and saves the justice system time and money.

    5. Re:jamming tech wont be allowed by wierd_w · · Score: 2

      I realize that there is a disproportionate number of person on slashdot that give exceptional levels of percieved value to the "correct" employment of language, structure, and punctuation; however, the purpose of language is to convey information and ideas. The purpose of spelling, grammatical, and syntax rules is to fascilitate that objective. Obcessive fixation over the use or lack of use of minutia relating to those aspects of communication, to the point where it causes a deficit in effective communication, is self defeating and irrational.

      If you difficulty in comprehending what I had written, such as if I had used ambiguous kanguage that could potentially have many and possibly conflictory meanings, you would have a legitimate complaint. However, the spelling of a word that you clearly were able to interpret correctly, desite the misspelling, is not sufficient grounds to make such a complaint. You did not have any difficulty in comprehending what was written. You may wish for me to use more widely established spellings in the future, and you may well ask that I do so, but fixation on the misspelling to the point where you refuse to engage in the communication process over the incongruity, such as your statement directly indicates, is simply incompatible with the objective goal of communication. Communication exists to transmit ideas. Rules and syntax exist to facilitiate that exchange. Nothing more. They do not exist as a metric by which to judge the merit of the information exchanged, and any attempt to do so is a misuse of that feature.

      No. It does not matter how convienient a metric it may be percieved to be. If you are going to be riggorous about the mechanics of linguistic exchange, then don't be hipocritical about it by bastardizing the rules yourself.

    6. Re:jamming tech wont be allowed by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      (And this stupid IME on this phone copes with changes in process focus by simply discarding keypresses-- for whole words at a time. Please ignore the clear obviousness of missing words in the above. They do not reflect on my ability to construct proper sentences. Samsung simply decided that making sure the alert bar getting focus to tell me that the local file scanner completed successfully was substantially more important than proper fidelity from the IME.)

    7. Re:jamming tech wont be allowed by wierd_w · · Score: 2

      This is a classic application of the prisoner's dillema.

      Both prisoners stand to gain the best possible outcome for both involved, by not assisting the authorities in investigating them. The authorities incentivize both prisoners in secret, to rat out the other. If one rats, he gets a reduced sentence, and the other gets prosecuted more viggorously, by being charged with more crimes. If neither prisoner rats, the authorities have to drop the major part of the case, and give both prisoners reduced sentences. If the prisoners both rat each other out, both will do hard time.

      In this case, we are the prisoners. Choosing to capitulate with the obtrusive video monitoring by our state and corporate officials, is ratting each other out. Collectively engaging in riggorous disobedience is refusal to comply with the demand to rat each other out.

      If more people disobey than capitulate, the penalties associated with disobedience cannot be sensibly enforced; there simply wouldn't be any employees left, even if they went full on H1B. Thus, your argument that "those of us with jobs to lose " should, and would rat everyone else out, only shows you are willfully complicit, and will end up servicing the panopticon. Willingly.

      In reality, you have more to gain by encouraging everyone to disobey, because it makes it impossible to enforce punishment for the crime, AND it disrupts the power grab of the panopticon.

      But don't let little things like that influence your fear based decision making.

    8. Re:jamming tech wont be allowed by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      Not entirely true.

      It is possible to effectively jam a single communicating device, with a very small near field transmitter stuck directly on top of the device's antenna.

      Say, a small 1/4 wavelength coil, stuck to the antenna. When calculated over any appreciable distance, the output of the jammer will be at or below normal noise floor, since it attenuates quickly, and is fairly low power to start with. The detection system simply won't find it unless it is right on top of it.

      However, because it is right on top of the antenna it is intended to jam, there is very low resistance to the coupling of both antennas, allowing the very low power device to effectively smash the fidelity of the larger device, rendering it inoperable.

      An adhesive antenna coil with a small organic film capacitor and a diode inside it would be adequate to jam many of the more problematical devices in question. They could even derive the power required to operate directly from the antenna they are jamming. A simple act of nondestructive sabotage.

      Tape it over the antenna coil, and walk away. Problem solved.

      Does not jam cellphones in movie theaters, but that isn't the intention here.

    9. Re:jamming tech wont be allowed by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      You cearly do not understand what civil disobedience actually requires. There is zero resistance to arrest, and it is obvious to all that this is the case. This prevents the authorities from claiming that there was, without also losing their moral and ethical grounds for enforcement.

      So, you go around sabotaging cameras, microphones, and monitoring equipment, and when the police arrest you, you comply 100% with the arrest, and make no attempts whatsoever to evade the legal consequences.

    10. Re:jamming tech wont be allowed by bobbied · · Score: 1

      RF knows no boundaries, except physics. Sure, if you have direct access and can dial down the power enough to blend in with the background noise, you might be hard to find.. But you are not going to jam much either. Still, on the GPS band, you are going to have to dial back the power a LOT or risk standing out like a lighter in a hayfield on a moonless night.

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    11. Re:jamming tech wont be allowed by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Take for instance, with personal cellphone jammers. They are illegal in the united states, specifically cited by the FCC. The reason, is that they disrupt vital comminications infrastructure,

      That is untrue. They are illegal because they are not licensed to broadcast on those frequencies. The FCC doesn't allow ANY unlicensed broadcasters on restricted frequencies, no matter what the reason. Every cell phone has to get FCC licensing before it can be legally used in the US.

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      When information is power, privacy is freedom.
    12. Re:jamming tech wont be allowed by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      The idea is to alter the resonant properties of the sending antenna. By directly coupling with sending antenna using the near feild, we can make the signal fidelity of the broadcast signal drop to abysmally low levels.

      For a realworld example, look at what happens when a small cellphone booster used for cars gets parked underneath a big cellphone tower. The broadcast power of the repeater is considerably less than the tower, but also considerably greater than a normal cellphone. The tower has to turn the reception gain way down to avoid saturation, and when it does, the actual devices it is listening for are lost in the noise floor. This makes the tower useless. This is one of the reasons why the FCC has issued strong rules about signal boosters for cellular communications.

      In this case, we are basically acting like a mosquito in the device's ear. Makes hardly any noise at all, actually, but because it is so close, it drowns everthing else out. Additionally, it also acts like a kazoo, distorting all the sent signals from the antenna through direct coupled resonance, and the slight impedance of the jammer's antenna coil and capacitor putting it slightly out of phase with the sending antenna. The big antenna would be talking with marbles in its mouth.

      The fact that it also is directly on top of an antenna that is supposed to be broadcasting makes detecting it nearly impossible, even if/when the signalling antenna turns its broadcast power way up to try to compensate for what it percieves as a high noise floor. (Making the signal emitted by the nearfield device greater, from the stronger resonance) The detection equipment operator will likely ignore the signal, believing it to be coming from a known source of RF energy. He would have to be looking at the raw RF histogram to notice that the signal it was emitting was highly distorted.

      Making the stickers cammoflauged to avoid being easily spotted (same color as the black plastic housing of a stick antenna, with a similar matte finish, for instance) would make detecting the device even harder. Just make sure you dont leave finger prints when you affix it, unless you want the feds to pay you a visit.

    13. Re:jamming tech wont be allowed by drkim · · Score: 1

      Sitting in a movie theater jamming cell phone service to keep folks from getting calls during your movie may sound like a good idea, but the problem is you just cannot know how far your jamming signal is going.

      Great point - but forget about range. How do you know that 'annoying' guy talking into his cell phone right behind you in the theater isn't saying, "Hello? 911? I think I'm having a heart attack!"

    14. Re:jamming tech wont be allowed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      J 4 1 totlly agre mon.

    15. Re:jamming tech wont be allowed by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      You are assuming that the jammer is on constantly and thus easy to locate. There is no need to have it on all the time though, just for a few seconds when some asshole decides to take a call during the movie. Good luck tracking down a relatively low power 5 second burst of RF with no warning of if or when it will happen.

      I agree it's a stupid thing to do, but I know lots of people who use phone jammers regularly this way and never attract any attention.

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    16. Re:jamming tech wont be allowed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shakespeare got that a lot, too.

    17. Re:jamming tech wont be allowed by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Depends on what you mean by "jammer". The traditional "blanket RF emission" jammers are illegal most places, but there is nothing to say you can't saturate the 2.4GHz spectrum with data packets that have random MAC addresses. I'm not sure where shorting out the RX antenna comes, but if you do then the transmitter won't be able to do listen-before-talk any more and depending on the firmware may just keep blasting away.

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    18. Re:jamming tech wont be allowed by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

      and why isn't there an Usher arranging for an EMT??

      and besides actually jamming RF inside a theater is not needed all you would need is to have nice sturdy walls (with rebar) covered in some groovy gilded flocked/velvet wall paper and you are sorted.

      have some way of paging folks as neeed (and for folks to page staff) and everybody is happy.

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    19. Re:jamming tech wont be allowed by Streetlight · · Score: 1

      In the case of the surveylance industry, the argument can be made that cameras make the community safer, by helping law enforcement to identify and rapidly locate dangerous criminals, and that disrupting this system places the community at greater risk.

      Surveillance may only prevent crime if the potential criminal knows where the cameras are. However, should the criminal just ignore their presence the cameras don't prevent crime. One video I saw sometime ago showed a hit man get out of a luxury car, follow and fatally shoot a pedestrian then, IIRC, get out of the camera's view and disappeared. The hit man was dressed in a way that made him unidentifiable. He knew or expected that cameras would be present. I think this occurred in NYCity. It's likely the hit man will never be found unless an enormous amount of police leg work finds those who hired him.

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    20. Re:jamming tech wont be allowed by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Ahh.. True. Intermittent use would make it much harder to find. It might take more than 5 seconds to do more than just disrupt the audio of a call, but that might be enough to get bozo to hang up. Of course, getting an usher might work too.

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    21. Re:jamming tech wont be allowed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you don't seem to understand that police will simply enter your house by kicking down your door, blow your brains out without saying anything, and then write a report saying you were resisting arrest.

      No witnesses, and terrorists like you will be dead.

    22. Re:jamming tech wont be allowed by drkim · · Score: 1

      and why isn't there an Usher arranging for an EMT??

      I'm sorry. I had no idea you were still able to attend movie theaters from the 1940's

      The only ushers at my multiplexes come around after the screening to sweep up the popcorn, cups and condoms. You would be long dead waiting for them to save you from a MI.

      In the case of a MI, I don't want to get the attention of a 17 year old working part-time at the multiplex, who will then need to leave the multiplex to make a call on his cel phone to "arrange for an EMT", I want an RA moving in my direction as soon as possible.

      Here's how you handle it: forget about jamming and Faraday cages; If someone is talking on their phone, have the (apparently omnipresent) usher throw their ass out.

      Unless of course, you were referring to 'Usher', who will be appearing in Willemstad, Netherlands Antilles, on the 31st.

    23. Re:jamming tech wont be allowed by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I realize that there is a disproportionate number of person on slashdot that give exceptional levels of percieved value to the "correct" employment of language, structure, and punctuation

      Yes, readability. Reading someone who says "If you difficulty in comprehending what I had written, such as if I had used ambiguous kanguage that could potentially have many and possibly conflictory meanings" is like listening to someone who not only has a severe speech impediment, but mumbles as well. And many errors, like not knowing the difference between loose and lose; they're, there, and their, or whose and who's, or uses greengrocers' apostrophes, shows himself to be uneducated and probably barely literate.

      If you can't easily communicate using the written word, shut the fuck up. I don't want to read your gibberish.

    24. Re:jamming tech wont be allowed by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      *sigh*

      Once again, from the top:

      1) Syntax, grammar, and spelling are intended to assist communication. Nothing more. "Readability" is a metric of the effectiveness of the communication.

      2) Misuse of those rules to provide a service they are not, and have never been intended for (conveying how "smart", or how "valuable" the communication itself is) is not rational.

      3) Drawing attention to incorrect use, as an excuse to ignore communication you find disfavorable, is pure hypocrisy. The reason it is hypocrisy, is because the premise itself relies on misuse of those rules; specifically, the attempt to use them as a metric of worthiness to communicate. Those rules are not and have never been intended for that function. Calling out misuse for the purpose of misuse is nonsensical.

      4) As stated in the addendum post, I use a smartphone with a crappy IME. When coupled with the notoriously bad "slashdot mobile" experience, entire words are simply omitted during text entry, *despite being keyed*, and further, any attempts at proofreading and correction are rendered extraordinarily difficult to accomplish. Under these circumstances, "perfect communication" is not possible, without hurculean effort.

      Taken all together, your insistence and arrogance on the demand clearly demonstrates several outstanding features.

      1) You are unwilling to finish reading something that does not meet your onerous preconceptions of value.

      2) You hypocritically misuse language rules while condemning others for a related infraction.

      3) You have clearly demonstrated your own lack of tolerance in intellectual matters, giving a REAL metric of your own intellectual capacities.

      4) You have clearly demonstrated that you are unable to approach the situation without subjective biases, and that you will cling to strawmen rather than actually "degrade yourself" to actually finish reading what was written.

      5) You resort to adhominems and other illogical tactics when called on the above.

      From this, I can only conclude that you are not nearly as intelligent and well educated as you believe yourself to be, and live in a carefully constructed fantasy setting in which you and you alone are worthy of communication, and that *any* deviation from the currently established norms for the language used, is clear evidence to support this self-narrative.

      In light of that:

      Which is correct: Jail, or Gaol.

      After you experience that sudden burst of anger and incredulity, I challenge you to look it up.

      You will find that the latter is archaic, but correct. How then did it become "jail" instead?

      The simple answer, is that your preconception about "propriety" of language, and of its syntax, and use all having an ultimately and unquestionably "correct" form, simply is not conserved. It is a fantasy. One you cling desperately to, and that desperation with which you cling to it, speaks volumes about how uneducated and unintelligent you actually are.

    25. Re:jamming tech wont be allowed by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      On the contrary. I fully expect to happen.

      What else will happen, is that this behavior can't be sustained by the government, without being highly suspicious.

      This is ensured, because not all "terrorists" (ahem) will be conveniently sitting alone in their houses, waiting to have their brains blown out by the keystone cops. Some of them will be in very public places at all times, and videos and other recordings of the police misconduct will escape the media blockade. The fiction simply won't be able to endure, if the rate of "actions" taken is high. Eventually, they will have to arrest someone properly, and peacefully, and the extremeness in the two events will only condemn the government for its immorality.

      The same exact thing happened in india.

    26. Re:jamming tech wont be allowed by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      however, the purpose of language is to convey information and ideas.

      Indeed; however, when you less speak (or write) the language, and more chew on it and spit it on the sidewalk like a lump of discarded chaw, I, among others, am strongly disinclined to take what you say seriously. Those who either can't be bothered to use the proper spellings/grammar/punctuation, or flat out refuse to do so as you've done here, are telling the world the being correct is not important to them, and thus, their statements are of questionable veracity. It's the difference between talking to an Ivy League professor, or an Appalachian mountain hick - one sounds like he knows what he's talking about, the other you wouldn't trust to give you straight information on anything but the best way to make possum stew.

      See, you have a choice: you could educate yourself, actually use spell-check, and proofread your work, thus removing yourself from the criticism of individuals like myself. Or you could be a butthurt little bitch about it, and defend your piss-poor English skills, in spite of the fact they are not worth defending.

      P.S. Judging from the plethora of spelling, grammar, and usage errors in your post, either you're trying to piss me off, or you really are as ignorant as I presume. Here's hoping for the former, I really don't like to think of people as complete, abject morons.

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    27. Re:jamming tech wont be allowed by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      Considering how voraciously OP is defending their piss-poor grammatical abilities, you'd think some people actually want to sound like fucking imbeciles.

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    28. Re:jamming tech wont be allowed by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Syntax, grammar, and spelling are intended to assist communication.

      Exactly. Writing "the bank should loose money" when it should be "lose" completely changes the meaning of the sentence. Misspellings confuse and slow down and detract from comprehension when the reader doesn't move his lips when he reads.

      Misuse of those rules to provide a service they are not, and have never been intended for (conveying how "smart", or how "valuable" the communication itself is) is not rational.

      Of course it is. If you write like a third grader it's safe to assume you paid no attention in school and probably dropped out as soon as it was legal. I've noticed that folks who write like that also are factually incorrect most of the time as well. Why should I lend credence to the uneducated?

      Drawing attention to incorrect use, as an excuse to ignore communication you find disfavorable, is pure hypocrisy.

      Drawing attention to incorrect use is meant to be educational to the one you're correcting.

      You are unwilling to finish reading something that does not meet your onerous preconceptions of value.

      Correct.

      You hypocritically misuse language rules while condemning others for a related infraction.

      Nobody's perfect, but some of us at least make an effort.

      You have clearly demonstrated your own lack of tolerance in intellectual matters

      I'm not tolerant of ignorance disguised as knowledge.

      You have clearly demonstrated that you are unable to approach the situation without subjective biases, and that you will cling to strawmen rather than actually "degrade yourself" to actually finish reading what was written.

      I'm not going to wade through unreadable prose written by the uneducated. The uneducated cannot educate.

      Which is correct: Jail, or Gaol.

      Both. Language evolves, as anyone who's read ancient texts can attest. E.g., "hacker" used to mean someone who re-purposes hardware, or writes quick and dirty code. Now it means someone who breaks into computers. The rules do change from time to time.

      But Mark Twain's works, over a hundred years old, are as readable as they were when they were written. A modern dropout's writing is not.

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  17. Our fault by wbr1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We have been blithely feeding bits of our privacy to corporations for years. Neilsen, survey companies, members discount store cards, google, facebook, mobile phone providers. The list goes on and on. The data is there and we GIVE it away for things we ostensibly want.

    Is it any surprise now that the government wants the same and more? Google is an advertising company. They have show how much can be made in this way, and the data that can be gathered. They give us the tools that we need in order to be able to better serve their customers. Government is supposed to protect the people, and as is often the case, has taken it to far. The individual NSA analyst may think he is doing a greater good sifting through your 'metadata' and believe it whole-heartedly. However he is really just feeding the military-data complex, which is simply an offshoot of the military-industrial complex. It is tied up with money galore, corporate greed and self interest, and kickbacks and graft, um I mean campaign donations, to grease up the politicians who feed it to us if they don't buy it for free

    This thing has inertia, it is armed, and comes with more power than even a large group of 'regular' joes can easily fight. Especially since most of the country is apathetic and/or splintered of bullshit issues like gay marriage. This has been a long time coming, and people have fought, but they get swept up and under by the machine. People like Manning, Snowden, Assange, they are doing the things that Patrick Henry and Ben Franklin would likely be proud of. They have stood up against a government that enables people to steal away little by little the wealth that this country and its people generate. They have stood up to say, no, this is not what america is supposed to be. And whether you agree with their methods or motivations, have you stood up? Have I? Or have we both sat down to watch the Cowboys game again?

    Unfortunately it will end one of two ways that I see. The continuing downhill slide until finally comes to a bloody crash, or a bloody crash now. And by bloody, I mean bloody. And after? Brave words will be said, changes may be made, some deep some superficial, but sooner or later those near the top will realize...

    "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"

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  18. Flooding by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

    An app that randomly broadcast packets with new mac addresses constantly would be quite effective at flooding databases with crap and hiding the individual.

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    1. Re:Flooding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An app that randomly broadcast packets with new mac addresses constantly would be quite effective at flooding databases with crap and hiding the individual.

      An app that randomly broadcast packets with new mac addresses constantly would be quite effective at flooding databases with crap and hiding the individual.

      nice , start out with a device not related to any computer you own. The eyes are watching...

    2. Re:Flooding by wbr1 · · Score: 1

      An app that randomly broadcast packets with new mac addresses constantly would be quite effective at flooding databases with crap and hiding the individual.

      Only if the snooping was on your lan and at layer 2. MAC addresses do not make it past your first router.

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    3. Re:Flooding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THe amount of uninformed garbage on slashdot is unbelievable. I might take the point to note that your suggestion wouldnt work, because MAC addresses never traverse subnets, and there will always be at least 3 subnets between your computer and the "database", and that thats not how databases work anyways...

      but Id rather ask why you bothered making a suggestion about a subject you clearly dont understand. Obviously, what we need is fake activism by way of bogus suggestions that would never work and never fix the percieved problem.

      If you want to make a difference, start by getting informed. If this seems harsh, its because this type of "slacktivism" ("we should totally make an invention that finds all those sleazebags and kills them") never does anything except waste everyone's time, and spread misinformation.

    4. Re:Flooding by advocate_one · · Score: 1
      an app in your phone that floods nearby wifi routers with random MAC addresses... so they have problems tracking YOU amongst all the other data. See here for what some sleazebag company has been doing in London

      That's what he meant.

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    5. Re:Flooding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Build your "random" list from other mac addresses you pass on the street and you help protect them too. It's the (semi-)humanitarian move.

  19. Re:What's wrong with being tracked? by bobbied · · Score: 1

    If you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about.

    Unless of course it LOOKS like you are doing something wrong, even when you are not, then you DO have something to worry about.

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  20. Oh my by Temtongkek · · Score: 2

    How has no one quoted Spaceballs yet? Slashdot, you're upsetting me.

    1. Re:Oh my by DewDude · · Score: 1

      "I knew it, I'm surrounded by assholes. Keep firing assholes!"

  21. WRONG- no jamming wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People using jamming equipment are already attracting massive fines, and pretty soon engaging in ANY form of electronic signal interference will be a very serious criminal offence. Even the idea of keeping one's cell phone in a Faraday sleeve/case will probably be outlawed under "terms of service" regulations.

    The correct solution is for the people to DEMAND amendments to the Constitution so that a Right to Privacy is enforced, especially against potential NSA activities, and the obscene actions of Bill Gate's inBloom (company name is chosen as a pedophile's joke) child monitoring database system currently being rolled out in NY and elsewhere across the USA). A Right to Privacy would clearly deny the State or its agents the right to generally spy on citizens, even when such spying is done 'anonymously' for 'statistical' purposes (the catch-all excuse used by the NSA). The Right to privacy amendment would define legitimate government spying as that which carefully targets court-approved individuals only, for direct law enforcement purpose. Pre-empive, pre-crime, or general surveillance would be utterly outlawed.

    Taking this on at the other end (the point at which users use services) is not a societal solution, but the ability of informed individuals to protect themselves better. For instance, no sane person would buy Bill Gate's NSA spy box, the Xbox One. Every intelligent person knows their cell phone is location tracked in realtime, and that the microphones and cameras can be remotely activated at any time.

    In an ideal world, the monsters for whom that evil murderous puppet Obama fronts for would see their powers over the ordinary people hamstrung by an updating of the Constitution. However, in OUR world, the opposite is happening. Obama (and his successors) are now fixed-term dictators, and are free to ignore any aspect of the Constitution. As the police state expands, and police state methods become even more commonplace and vicious than now, ordinary people will have no options left, as we witnessed in Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany at their peak. Under such circumstances, ordinary people simply comply and survive as best they can.

    1. Re:WRONG- no jamming wars by drkim · · Score: 1

      ...the monsters for whom that evil murderous puppet Obama fronts for...

      OMG! Obama's fronting for Dick Cheney now?!

  22. heisenberg uncertainty and 'the cat' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    either participate in the world or not. that is your option people.

    Jam? Funny, with ToF sensors and signal maps, I can now find your location (jamming source), back trace your trajectory and find out who you are in about 20min.

    Once you enter the system [of life?], you change the measurement, I can ID you. Welcome to the new world order.

    (and the cat in the box smiles).

  23. If it was good enough for Maxwell Smart . . . by reboot246 · · Score: 2

    I'm going to be using the Cone of Silence.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cone_of_Silence/

  24. The war is over by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and it hasn't even started yet. I just read an article yesterday about a guy who went to jail for using a GPS jamming device to thwart employer monitoring. Appaently it was affecting nearby aircraft. Raise your hand if you're willing to give up your freedom (ie. go to jail) for your right to privacy. See all those hands? What, you don't? Yeah, that's why they've already won. Unless you are wealthy enough to buy several congressfolks and change the law expect to be bent over by those with the money.

  25. GPS and trucking companies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trying to hide one's location from your employer when on duty is possibly a bad idea too. One would assume that the employer had a valid interest in knowing where their equipment was and had installed the GPS based equipment for that purpose. The driver's attempts to mask his location was inexcusable and leads to a whole lot of "so where where you exactly?" questions that he likely could not answer truthfully and keep his job.

    GPS is being adopted fast in the transportation industry as a way to gain extra profit. Some trucking companies are starting to charge their employees or contracted drivers for the 'privilege' of driving company equipment outside of a designated route or taking too long getting to the next destination. Those designated routes never take in to account little things like construction, traffic, map updates, and weather. Fees incurred range from fuel expenses all the way up to their mileage rate, fuel, and 'maintenance fees'. It can easily be over $100 an hour simply because the automated route software did not know about a detour or traffic accident in advance.

    It could very well be that obfuscating his GPS data was the only thing from being required to, on occasion, pay his employer simply for working that day.

    1. Re:GPS and trucking companies by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 1

      trucking companies have been using GPS for years. that's nothing new at all.

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  26. Privacy Schmivacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't do anything illegal in private, so why should i fear all this surveillance. My life is so boring, I dont care if some anonymous govt agency sees where I am or what Im doing in public.

    I have nothing to hide, so I have nothing to fear. Im not a criminal, pedo, gun murderer or turrist... Governments need some way of fighting the turrists, we dint want the turrists to win, so spy away I say. I feel safer already.

    1. Re:Privacy Schmivacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lampshade, smampshade, fsck Godwin.

  27. Obtain GPS Jammer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone know where I can buy a cheap GPS jammer? My insurance company wants to install a GPS tracking box in my car, but I'd rather they didnt!

    1. Re:Obtain GPS Jammer by aXis100 · · Score: 1

      Jamming GPS is selfish and foolish - you'll also jame other people's GPS tens or even hundreds of metres away.

      GPS is such a weak signal that you'll get better results sticking some tinfoil (or better yet, lead sheet) over the antenna.

  28. Its not a war by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Its people committing a crime. Its not legal to interfere with communications. FCC takes a dim view on it.

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  29. Re: What we really need is the right to arm bears by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Trust me. As a hunter, I know: Bears are very well armed. As a matter of fact, unless a man is well armed in a match up with a bear, the man will lose.

    Just sayin'...

  30. Kneejerk reaction ... by golodh · · Score: 1
    I'm a bit bothered by the childish kneejerk reaction of "fight" and "buy a jammer" to repair what is in essence a big legal privacy loophole. If being tracked and identified bothers you, outlaw or regulate tracking.

    If you lack the will or the stamina to fight this through the ballot box, then why do you have voting rights? Might as well dispense with them right now, yes?

    It's fundamentally wrong to indiscriminately interfere with or obstruct devices (cellphones, GPS) near you just because you might be tracked through them. In doing that you're overstepping the boundaries of your own rights and encroaching on other people's rights. The proper response would be to turn your cellphone off if you don't want to be tracked, or to ditch the GPS tracker you object to.

    There are very good reasons to outlaw the possession or operation of e.g. GPS jammers in public places and to enforce such laws simply because jammers can also interfere with other people's legitimate use of the same..

    Besides which, any store or mall is free to refuse people who operate any kind of jammer entry, or to kick them out if they switch one on while inside. And absent legal protection, your boss might just make it a condition of employment that you remain traceable. That's where your spunky "fight" will lead you. Defeat.

    The way through the ballot box starts looking a lot brighter compared to that.

    1. Re:Kneejerk reaction ... by some+old+guy · · Score: 2

      Because the ballot box, particularly for offices that have any real sway in the debate, is being effectively neutered by the system that controls it.

      The corporate plutarchs and their mass-media entertainment industry shills are doing a masterful job of manipulating public behavior, to the extent that no dissident element has any possibility of making an electoral impact. Money always wins. Always.

      Conclusion?

      Short of a complete societal and economic collapse with a subsequent rethinking of governing structures, we're hopelessly fucked.

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      Scruting the inscrutable for over 50 years.
  31. Golden mean... what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It sounds like you're confused by the difference between the rule of law and the law of rule. Obviously the reciprocal of one is not necessarily congruent with the set of the reciprocal of the other.

  32. Re: What we really need is the right to arm bears by davester666 · · Score: 1

    Only the slowest man.

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  33. Silly season by jandersen · · Score: 1

    ... the next privacy battleground...

    I didn't know there had been a previous "privacy battleground".

    Personally, I don't feel there is an issue. Sure, it is slightly uncomfortable to know that there are unsavoury character out there collecting information about who you are and what you do with the intent to use it against you - advertisers spring to mind - but that is the way it has always been, and we have always found ways to live with it, one way or another.

    I am sure I will be modded way down for expression this as my view, ironically (free speech, eh?), but I really think it is a non-issue. We give out private information without a second thought all the time, when we use credit cards, mobiles and God knows what else; it is part of opening your front door and showing yourself outside in the public space, where other people are likely to observe your presence, whether by means of technology or simply by looking at you. Privacy is not about a right to pass through life completely unobserved, but about things like the sanctity of the home: you have a right to a place that is your own, where nobody else has a right to enter without your persmission.

    A more relevant and pressing issue is about what is done with the data afterwards, and to me the most worrying part is not what the government or its agencies will do, but what private companies are up to. To me there is nothing more odious than being targeted by manipulative advertisers trying to extract money from you and enticing you to get hooked on products that are harmful to you. At least in our part of the world, governments are tightly regulated in most of what they do, whereas big businesses are not. And with some trans-national corporations being bigger than many governments, that is a real cause for concern.

  34. Re: What we really need is the right to arm bears by bluegutang · · Score: 1

    Even the fastest man is slower than a running bear.
    http://www.backpacker.com/ask_a_bear_how_fast_can_bears_run/skills/15225

  35. Re: What we really need is the right to arm bears by xenobyte · · Score: 1

    What he means is this: If more than one man is running from the same bear, only the slowest man need worry. When the bear catches up he will forget about the others and only care about the one he caught.

    It's the old joke: Two men sit in a tent when they hear a bear outside. The bear is obviously mad and about to attack. One of the men starts putting on his shoes. "Why are you wasting time doing that?!" the other yells. "I can run faster with shoes on" he replies. "You can outrun a bear!" the other yells back. "I don't need to" the first replies, "I just need to run faster than you" he says and leaves the tent and start running.

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  36. Bearing Arms by zildgulf · · Score: 1

    Hey, I have the right to bear arms and I don;t care what the government says. Now as for my pasty white legs that is something totally different.

  37. Employers may use GPS trackers on their vehicles by zildgulf · · Score: 1

    The company had a right to use GPS tracking on one of THEIR trucks. It is their equipment and they have a right to know where their drivers are. They also have the duty to make sure all truckers get their OSHA mandated rest period. Woe to any trucking firm that has GPS tracking and use it only for driving up profits instead for profit and safety enforcement for they will face the wrath of the Federal Government, as they should.

  38. Re:If it was good enough for Maxwell Smart . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What was that? I can't hear you!

  39. Obligated reading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cory Doctorow's "Little brother" deals with this subject.

  40. License rights by Occams · · Score: 1

    What people who write about this do not understand is that spectrum regulators cannot give permits to equipment that will interfere with licensed transmissions. That is just impossible legally.

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  41. Once again by gzuckier · · Score: 1

    We see that Bob Marley was ahead of his time.

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  42. American problem ... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
    ... which affects the rest of the world.

    But as described, it's only something that Americans can act upon.

    Having said that, I've been involved in pushes against privacy breaches in the UK in the past, and will be in the future. But I suspect that an American identical twin of mine would have greater global effect. That's not right, but it is real.

    Oh, but I am going to enjoy the live broadcast of the US President opening Sino-US talk by publicly giving the Chinese Premier a blowjob. Bareback, with swallow.

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  43. REFLECTION vs. RETROFLECTION by DrYak · · Score: 1

    but rest assured that a REFLECTION of red light is what is causing red eye.

    Whereas, cat's eyeshine is due to RETROFLECTION.
    It reflects light like a mirror, but a special mirror that is always pointing exactly back to you.
    Cats have eyeshine only on your photo. Other persons in the same room won't have seen it (unless they where also holding a light source).
    (It works that way, because cat's eyes are sphere of refractive material. But unlike humans and most other daytime animal, they aren't coated with pigment that absorbs light, instead the background is reflecting)

    Also the, in the case of the red eye, SCATTERING (light shining back in all direction, like any normal object underlight) would be more apropriate (usually, REFLECTION make you think about a mirror: something on which light bounces symmetrically on the other side). You're slimply seeing the blood vessels being lighted by your light source (with better focusing, you could even see the individual vessels, that's what doctors do). If your eyes where big enough, other people in the room could also be seeing the red eyes.

    To test: make a pulse of light.
    - Scattering material will be lighted by the pulse. you'll get something back, not all signal, but still a fraction (That's the case with red eye) you get a funny colour (red, from the blood vessels) but it doesn't give the impression to glow, you don't get that much more light than the rest of the environment.
    - Perfectly Reflective material: you won't get any signal back directly. The light will bounce on the mirror and continue it's path elsewhere (it could scatter back there so even if you don't see the mirror it self, you could see the object reflected in it).
    - retroflective material: you'll get your pulse back almost at the same intensity you sent it. The object seems glowing because it seems much more brighter thant the environment ( that's NOT the case with red eyes)

    retroflection was evolved by night life animals because each beam crosses precisely twice the photo receptor of the cat's eye - signal gain.
    humans and day life animals evolved a light-absorbing layer to avoid too much light bouncing and reflecting in all directions inside the eye which would have made the vision more blurry.

    retroflection is also used in roadsign and other road marker: by shining all the light back, they are more visible (seem glowing), instead of scattering the light in all directions.

    Funny stuff: next time you're driving during a rainy night, when you see road sign over head, while driving under them, try turning of the high beam and only leaving low beam headlights. They will be dark to you (no more light going up to them from your car to shine back), but still visible in their reflections on the road (your low beam's light bounce on the road up toward the signs, and the reflect it back to the road)

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  44. Re: What we really need is the right to arm bears by cwsumner · · Score: 1

    ..."You can outrun a bear!" the other yells back. "I don't need to" the first replies, "I just need to run faster than you" he says...

    That joke is so old that it has whiskers !
    The problem is that many bears are smarter than that. They are fully capable of disabling all of you and then coming back to dine.