Well, no, the expensive payware stuff is often expressly designed to employ consultants from the company that designed it.
Totally agree.
But what I've noticed is that Linux itself is a much bigger management hassle than Windows is. Untrained people manage their own Windows installations fairly easily (i.e., it runs with less intervention, and can update 99% of its installed software without any intervention).
Yeah...there's a reason why we all the botnets run Windows...because all the "untrained" (read:clueless) people can setup a server. This is also partly true for *n*x systems...but let's take the Minecraft-Forums as an example, were people creep out from under their stones which want to run a public accessible server without knowing what an IP is. I'm not saying beginners suck...but a colorful-clicky-clicky-finished server installation is dangerous, even on Unix/Linux.
Even trained people (even I) have trouble just getting the average Linux distro to a basic, usable state, then updating it with typical software on occasion.
No repro here. Dekstop: Ubuntu, just runs. Server: Debian, just runs. Not sure where you've got the problems?
Even the distros that are specifically designed for minimal h4xx0r talent are only truly canned for a small subset of hardware configurations.
No repro on the Desktop, either. Though, I haven't worked with "real big server hardware" so far, so I can't say anything about that.
The ultimate answer here is that anyone who does a trade study on which software to use and doesn't make a realistic assessment of the total-cost-to-own has failed to do a trade study properly. Just saying "is it open source?" is a guarantee of random results.
I think we agree on the "Take the best tool for the job" part...where "tool" includes staff, software and support-contracts.
You're just a bunch of losers! We (Austrian) got a whole new government-website for just € 500,000... with full-text-search (yes, that was the argument why it's so expensive)! Not just a lousy app...bah...
Wait, you mailed encrypted evidence to the clients and would have given them the key in case stuff turned bad?
Interesting idea, I think it would have been better to mail that to newspapers and maybe directly file a complaint. Though, your business.... Well, on second thought "get a new job" would have been an appropriate solution, too.
You mean a Mincraft map with Redstone-circuitry building a 32-bit processor + OS + Browser + JavaScript + BicaVM running Minecraft with that map? Uhh...I feel dizzy...
The problem is not providing such components, nor get them to work like the original nor getting it into your head. The real problem I see is interfacing with the rest of the brain.
Because, let's face it, that's something every coder knows: Interfacing, working and supporting legacy systems just sucks.
No repro on my end. Especially the package-managers (apt etc.) make it easy to install software (and especially deinstallation and automatic dependency discovery). And we're not talking about source packages here, I've only compiled two packages in the last five years, one was a WLAN-Dongle driver which is now in the kernel, and the other is a Asterisk module...and yes, I consider myself above the average user.
The thing is (at least I found/feel it that way) that MS products are *always* easy to setup and maintain. But beware the moment you want to do something "not so ordinary", "out of the line" or "fancy" with it...from that point it just throws sticks between your legs. Sometimes it's already enough if you want to customize it, away from the factory defaults.
MS is making for the most part great products...but they lack flexibility on all levels, in my opinion.
Yes, of course. But it also shows the way the vendor is trying to take. F.e. they punched The Gimp of the disc to get the Mono libraries in...now they're punching the Mono libraries of the disc...makes you wonder.
On the other hand, I think leaving a technophile (and that's said with love, because I'm one, too) in charge of a project will result in this. Ubuntu tries hard to be the Latest And Greatest And Most Shiny Of All (tm), with a constantly changing mindset adopting the newest technologies and philosophies.
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No problem, you just need the right phone.
Well, no, the expensive payware stuff is often expressly designed to employ consultants from the company that designed it.
Totally agree.
But what I've noticed is that Linux itself is a much bigger management hassle than Windows is. Untrained people manage their own Windows installations fairly easily (i.e., it runs with less intervention, and can update 99% of its installed software without any intervention).
Yeah...there's a reason why we all the botnets run Windows...because all the "untrained" (read:clueless) people can setup a server. This is also partly true for *n*x systems...but let's take the Minecraft-Forums as an example, were people creep out from under their stones which want to run a public accessible server without knowing what an IP is. I'm not saying beginners suck...but a colorful-clicky-clicky-finished server installation is dangerous, even on Unix/Linux.
Even trained people (even I) have trouble just getting the average Linux distro to a basic, usable state, then updating it with typical software on occasion.
No repro here. Dekstop: Ubuntu, just runs. Server: Debian, just runs. Not sure where you've got the problems?
Even the distros that are specifically designed for minimal h4xx0r talent are only truly canned for a small subset of hardware configurations.
No repro on the Desktop, either. Though, I haven't worked with "real big server hardware" so far, so I can't say anything about that.
The ultimate answer here is that anyone who does a trade study on which software to use and doesn't make a realistic assessment of the total-cost-to-own has failed to do a trade study properly. Just saying "is it open source?" is a guarantee of random results.
I think we agree on the "Take the best tool for the job" part...where "tool" includes staff, software and support-contracts.
The plagues most likely did happen..except, you know...it's called "natural disaster".
You're just a bunch of losers! We (Austrian) got a whole new government-website for just € 500,000 ... with full-text-search (yes, that was the argument why it's so expensive)! Not just a lousy app...bah...
The office of the judge or the boss? *eg*
Because most of the internet users still use "IE8" or less and therefor see JavaScript as something which sucks, is slow and can't find it's own tail?
Wait, you mailed encrypted evidence to the clients and would have given them the key in case stuff turned bad?
Interesting idea, I think it would have been better to mail that to newspapers and maybe directly file a complaint. Though, your business. ... Well, on second thought "get a new job" would have been an appropriate solution, too.
Yo dawg, I heard you got Java and JavaScript swapped!
You mean a Mincraft map with Redstone-circuitry building a 32-bit processor + OS + Browser + JavaScript + BicaVM running Minecraft with that map? Uhh...I feel dizzy...
If you've got a Neo Freerunner, no problem.
So...most people will get off cheap?
Those stories sound very interesting, thank you very much.
The problem is not providing such components, nor get them to work like the original nor getting it into your head. The real problem I see is interfacing with the rest of the brain.
Because, let's face it, that's something every coder knows: Interfacing, working and supporting legacy systems just sucks.
...that the law to disconnect copyright infringers from the internet would have gone through.
Microsoft dumps stuff in favor of HTML5.
Adobe dumps stuff in favor of HTML5.
Can somebody check the temperature in hell, please?
Yeah, except...those are not QR...not even close...
No repro on my end. Especially the package-managers (apt etc.) make it easy to install software (and especially deinstallation and automatic dependency discovery). And we're not talking about source packages here, I've only compiled two packages in the last five years, one was a WLAN-Dongle driver which is now in the kernel, and the other is a Asterisk module...and yes, I consider myself above the average user.
one click installation.
Wait a moment, do you mean OS or application installation?
The thing is (at least I found/feel it that way) that MS products are *always* easy to setup and maintain. But beware the moment you want to do something "not so ordinary", "out of the line" or "fancy" with it...from that point it just throws sticks between your legs. Sometimes it's already enough if you want to customize it, away from the factory defaults.
MS is making for the most part great products...but they lack flexibility on all levels, in my opinion.
Don't worry, there might be some good news. ;)
Clearly though application availability is Linux's desktop achille's heel...
May I ask what exactly you mean?
We seem to say we want improvments, then we proceed to complain it's not like the old.
Improvement does not necessarily involve radical/big changes.
Yes, of course. But it also shows the way the vendor is trying to take. F.e. they punched The Gimp of the disc to get the Mono libraries in...now they're punching the Mono libraries of the disc...makes you wonder.
On the other hand, I think leaving a technophile (and that's said with love, because I'm one, too) in charge of a project will result in this. Ubuntu tries hard to be the Latest And Greatest And Most Shiny Of All (tm), with a constantly changing mindset adopting the newest technologies and philosophies.
Is your O-Key broken?
You're lucky...VS2008 has delays from 3 seconds up to 2 minutes on my work machine for no noticeable reason.
I'd say that depends if the Marketing/Sales-Team or the Development-Team is running the booth.