How many units of Call of Duty: Black Ops sold at $60 a pop? Anyway I think games on mobile devices and phones will spell the death for hand held game devices like nintendo and psp. What was that episode of star trek next generation where everyone on the ship was addicted to a game except Wesley? Thats what games like angry birds reminds me of. But really why are the games on phones and mobile devices so popular? Because people are stupid enough to believe the techno hype surrounding these gadgets, brainwashed into thinking they NEED them, and at the end of the day dont do much with them and justify their impulse purchase by playing a mind numbing game. Can we have Wesley come and save us all? Or at least explain to me why I spent $40 on this funky ipad cover with magnets?
I wouldnt beat up Stallman too much. This dialog although seemingly paranoid is a point of view that must be raised and kept active if personal freedom is important. Someday we will be all required to have a mobile device and a facebook page. I always envisioned bar code tattoos on the neck but a mobile device is much better cause of the games. Fighting for our freedom and rights is not a periodic battle but one that has to be fought at all times. Devices and technology that make it easier to track, control, and enslave people should be avoided and be exposed for what they really are... UNNECESSARY.
No no no you all have it wrong. It was a simple case of ego. The guy with the kimono pissed off the guy with the pony tail, so the guy with the pony tail bought mysql to spite him.
Rant... If you participate in social networking sites and the worst time vampire twitter, you waive your rights to any privacy! This article or claim is ridiculous. You dont want people to know a particular aspect of your life, then why are you posting it on a website? Nobody cares what you're doing. Posting your activities or life online is a poor way of alleviating the feelings of anomie. Real social interaction, real social networking is the only way to do that.
And I am sure someone will mention the point of disinformation relating to this. Employers beware. I could make myself look really good online when in fact it may be all bullcrap.
Sorry Fedora is a solid distro and can be used for anything. I am tired of the continuation of some old worn out perception that its a bad unstable distro only for testing et al. That is the wrong message to send to new linux users. Whats important is youre using UNIX and not that other OS. If you prefer a particular linux distro over another thats great, even if it is Un00btu:)
funny... I had no idea that China had their own linux distro. What? does it come without a web browser, iptables you cant change, and sample perl brute force dictionary attack scripts?
Well yea I think the mention of mega-corps duking it out is spot on... and that is the problem! As I see it sony and microsoft are not part of the film industry and shouldnt be in a position to dictate film distribution. So this issue to is like other online distribution venues in that no one place can offer "all" the film content that is available due to separate corporate ownership.
Microsoft is in a strange place with xbox. Making hardware like this? A live service to support? Game development? Considering gaming and consoles they have faired pretty damn well.
Believe me with MS and their history of bloatware I was worried they were going to bloat the hell out of the interface. They resisted the urge and NXE is good step forward to enhancing the interface of their successful game console.
Admittedly I was a little lost at first but thats what happens with something new. Wheres this and what happened to that questions were quickly answered by the guide button. BAM you got everything right there. And in the interface I started noticing the nice little touches like the description of games themselves with full screen slide shows.
Avators are fun and actually made mine look like me which works in a social networking context. Although I would like a choice of boxer shorts and 5 oclock shadow.
I'm a systems architect with many years experience. No real programming skills which the coding bunch will find odd and look down upon. Simply I hire programmers when I need them and usually have several on staff. I design, they code, I deploy.
Working on a big deployment my company hired a third party contractor for programming. The guy they sent was ok but seemed to be struggling with the project. I stepped in and reviewed the software and requirements and discovered he was doing it all wrong. He was fired and someone else finished the project.
Time passed and I applied for a job at another company. Was given a brief programming test which half of it I couldnt complete. Not a programmer and I explained that to them. They didnt care too much. As for the test I didnt mind and think its a good idea especially if its a programming position.
Now for the punchline... I did not get the job. It went to a guy who completed the test. The "same" guy we fired for incompetence on our project.
Anybody can write code. Its what you do with it thats important:)
Admittedly too busy to read the articles behind the links so I will spew my opinion without proper research. First I get the impression that the MS windows clique resembles republicans jumping on democrats when they make a comment and twist it to their end. Ultimately its shows they are grabbing at straws and unix in the end dominates the computing world. Maybe this post doesnt qualify as this, not sure, but be on guard.
Second its important for techies to explain to non-techies the difference between the OS and the desktop. Its not the same thing. Often Mac users rave about the virutes of their OS confusing it with the desktop. In fact the OS is a unix variant with a cool proprietary desktop, proprietary in the sense of the hardware and that desktop and app drivers will work without issue.
Third after making that distinction, understand that unix/bsd/linux is blessed with choice of desktop, and more importantly the flexibility of not running x windows at all. I can can see where the discussion may get confusing. Linux distros are more concerned with the OS, and the desktop is left to the developers who build desktops and to developers who build desktop apps. Its all good. The desktop becomes an abstract layer unto itself and major linux distros may find it unnecessary to focus on it and focus more on the OS and provide a solid foundation for server and/or desktop. They are not giving up on the desktop, just a desktop oriented distro. Someone else is focusing on the desktop.
Fourth the linux desktop has made huge strides in the last 10 years and gnome and kde developers deserve high praise and all the app developers that run with these. I'm amazed. Whats needed is support for end users to understand the issues and overcome the need for windows. End users get a computer with windows which is more often than not screwed up by additional software and bloatware which actually makes windows appear more unstable than it is. End users may try a linux desktop but dont equate free software with the absence of some software drivers and get frustrated there. I like the new feature in fedora 8, dont recall the name, where you open a file and the app discovers there is no driver for it and a pop up appears showing where to dl it or buy it.
Fifth its about the software you need to use to get your task done. Generic apps like word processors and spreadsheets are available for the linux desktop, for free. You dont have to use word anymore.
Finally is the desktop an issue? Computing has changed and in a way and come full circle. First you had client/server where your client was very thin and you connected to a central computer to accomplish your tasks. Then personal computers came along and it became decentralized. Now with the internet we are going back to client/server. How much time and effort do you want to invest in your desktop and apps when you can merely open a web browser and use a word processor at google.
First please make a clear distinction between operating system and desktop. Do not confuse end users.
Then decide what you think is the better operating system, Windows or UNIX (and all its variants). Remember to include the Mac operating system in the UNIX camp. After you have made your decision, support the growth and adoption of that operating system by using it. Maybe the lame one will die by attrition and we can then entertain ourselves by arguing over our favorite desktop... mac, gnome or kde.
I have used or touched all sorts of operating systems and have experinced many different desktops. My favorite is Microsoft Bob. I love the drawers and opening... ok joking. Seriously the linux desktops are wonderful. I have used gnome and kde for many years and the progress they have made is fantastic. I am so glad that I have an opportunity to express my thanks and gratitude to the people who have worked on them. Good job! Not to mention the progress of openoffice, and the many apps that grace our linux distros. Again good job!
My goal is to move forward with our operating system of choice, explore new things that we may not have considered, and not get mired in comparing it to the lame one. Lets move on. IMHO windows desktop has been copying the mac desktop for years now. The linux desktop has made great strides and is now competing in the corporate world, and is working on better multimedia support. Who cares about office, internet explorer, and outlook, you dont need them. You dont need Windows. You dont need Microsoft. Lets move on.
How do you move forward in the work place? Well if youre data center is full of "UNIX" servers, and your end users are using windows on their workstations, this is an opportunity to move the workstations to linux. If the data center is full of windows servers, and workstations are windows, well forget it.
How do move forward at home or in general? I agree that its your work and what your trying to accomplish is what you should focus on, then the application that does it, then the OS that app runs on. The Mac, beautiful and elegant desktop, and the hardware is also cool looking. But undertand that its a unix operating system running on proprietary hardware therefore there are no issues with drivers etc. Unlike windows and linux distros that you can install on different hardware. And between the two as far as installation, updates, network and driver issues its a wash, with more time spent dorking with windows.
What do I use? I'm a sys admin and tend to use what I use in the data center. One place I worked they used Suse, so I ran Suse and kde on my workstations. I got Red Hat in the data center where I work now, so I use Fedora and gnome. Love the code buddy in Fedora 8. At home fedora and windows. Windows!? Yes I use it to run premiere that I edit training videos on. Someday I will have the money for a Mac;)
mid 70's teletype machine hooked up to mainframe at lawrence livermore lab in berkeley and we played ascii star trek. killed couple of trees in the process.
Lets use Kenya as an example and shoot our way out of it! Obviously if democracy is to work, than voting needs to be ironclad. WTF!? First chads then computer voting. A portion of funds from the campaign millions should be used to pay for an accurate and secure voting process.
I have friends who are obsessed with warranties. Me, I dont care that much unless the item is brand new. Whether hard drives fail or I upgrade I do it myself and have the old hard drive.
Its computing 101! Made a mistake and to whine about it like its not his responsibility is the epitome of pretense and bravado. I'll repeat the same thing... encrypt sensitive data. What if the macbook was stoled or lost? Backup your data too. As a programmer it would be a bad career choice to make public to my clients that I write code with authn data and give the data away. Then say OOPS apple is at fault. Too much:)
You arrogant bastard!:) Again its problematic for us because IT here is fragmented and there are not enough people. If our IT talent were more centralized no doubt we would have a better chance of deployment. But its not and the people maintaining campus wide infrastructure and systems like me are under staffed. Not hard to list apps and state how easy it is but when you DONT have a mail sys admin, network admin, hardware engineer, decent data center, and help desk staff its not going to happen. And besides email in my book is one level above printing, not something I am too excited to do. So for people in the same boat outsourcing can be perceived as a cry for help and funding where there is none. More about politics then common sense at edu's.
Our campus IT is fragmented. Although there is a stigma to outsourcing our email, it boils down to the cost of doing business. We need campus wide email and calendar. To this day we still dont have it. Its embarrassing. Obviously it would add great benefit to communication and collaboration. Attempts have been made to do it inhouse but the service doesnt match what google apps can support.
So yea I am disappointed I cant do it inhouse. We simply dont have the funding and resources. And to all the naysayers going on about important emails lost or student info in corporate hands its all moot when you cant communicate with one another in the freaky first place. Think of how research could benefit if we could simply talk and coordinate with each other.
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I use all types of OS's and get bit in the ass occasionally by updates et al. Part of the biz friends. All this nonsense about what distro is better and I use it for the desktop or production is a joke. Use what you like. Who cares. BUT if you work in an RHEL production environment you should use fedora in some capacity at least to test whats coming down the road for RHEL.
What I am really tired of is fedora getting this rep as being so cutting edge that you should steer clear of it. That spin has gotten to be too much. Just another distro, nothing more. geez.
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My post said I preferred OS X over X Windows so dont burn an apple on my lawn. And that was my point, to see OS X for what it really is so more people can use it. Dont get infatuated with cute hardware. I can run X Windows on a mac, but I cant run OS X natively on my FreeBSD PC. Its even more easier now to run OS X on something other than a mac but the only thing stopping me is Apple. Stop putting XP CD's into intel macs. Start putting OS X CD's into PC's. Its the same old debate but this time Steve Jobs might take the leap.
Intel move was not a surprise. OS X is just BSD UNIX with a pretty graphical desktop. Easier to run on CISC chip. Apple is in a quandry, makes good software and consumer electronics but macs bought only by people who dont know better. Its a slippery slope as we move along and people realize thats is merely a choice between gnome, kde and OS X. Maybe some compromise and convergence will happen in the future. We'll get a pretty graphical desktop, good software but on linux on intel. Hey you can still run it on a computer that looks like a lamp if you want:)
Oops bad example... on meds for walking pneumonia:) My point is Sun bought the DS, they certainly did not develop it. Anybody who uses the Sun DS knows most of the config files and operational attributes are prefixed with "ns" which stands for netscape.
I have used this DS for many years and am pleased that Red Hat bought the Netscape product and didnt let it die. Sun aquired the code through a partnership called iPlanet. AOL ended up with the code too out of iPlanet and just liked the name "Netscape" for commercials. So now you got Sun and Red Hat moving forward with it.
Whats not to like? All operating systems have a decent DS now! You can stop announcing what you use, it just doesnt matter. If you run Suse edirectory, solaris Sun DS, windows AD, RHEL Red Hat DS.
GUI!? Interestingly enough in trying to get this DS to run on linux and other OS's in the past, its the console that caused problems not the actual service. Havent tried the latest Sun version for RHEL 3 so dont know the status but the darn java console always installed an old version (4) of the netscape http server. That was the culprit. One of the reasons the java console is there is to support central admin for other Sun products. Makes sense but now we dont need that anymore:) So I agree with all the posts. Red Hat and fedora crowd should develop a console that lives up to the quality of the service, or make it an option at install so people who can, can use the command-line. Put a nice front-end on this baby and the world is yours!
Well I have been using this particular DS for many years and have tried it on a myriad of operating systems even windows. The platfrom support from Sun for RHEL and Windows has always been a version behind the current one. Only starting this year did Sun support RHEL 3 which in my book is pathetic. Remember Sun aquired the DS from Netscape, (nsswitch.conf notice the ns prefix) and dont really know what to do with it. This is a good DS and I am very pleased with Red Hats purchase. Its the best of both worlds. If you run Solaris you have a DS, and now if you run Red Hat you have a DS. And I think Windows shops have a DS too:)
I think people overlook the general fault in using a database. LDAP is the solution. Larry is a fool if thinks his DBMS frankenstein can provide the speed and profiling necessary to properly track American citizens around the world. Obviously Big Brother would be better served by an LDAP directory and not an DBMS like Oracle. 'nuff said.
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How many units of Call of Duty: Black Ops sold at $60 a pop? Anyway I think games on mobile devices and phones will spell the death for hand held game devices like nintendo and psp. What was that episode of star trek next generation where everyone on the ship was addicted to a game except Wesley? Thats what games like angry birds reminds me of. But really why are the games on phones and mobile devices so popular? Because people are stupid enough to believe the techno hype surrounding these gadgets, brainwashed into thinking they NEED them, and at the end of the day dont do much with them and justify their impulse purchase by playing a mind numbing game. Can we have Wesley come and save us all? Or at least explain to me why I spent $40 on this funky ipad cover with magnets?
I wouldnt beat up Stallman too much. This dialog although seemingly paranoid is a point of view that must be raised and kept active if personal freedom is important. Someday we will be all required to have a mobile device and a facebook page. I always envisioned bar code tattoos on the neck but a mobile device is much better cause of the games. Fighting for our freedom and rights is not a periodic battle but one that has to be fought at all times. Devices and technology that make it easier to track, control, and enslave people should be avoided and be exposed for what they really are... UNNECESSARY.
No no no you all have it wrong. It was a simple case of ego. The guy with the kimono pissed off the guy with the pony tail, so the guy with the pony tail bought mysql to spite him.
Rant... If you participate in social networking sites and the worst time vampire twitter, you waive your rights to any privacy! This article or claim is ridiculous. You dont want people to know a particular aspect of your life, then why are you posting it on a website? Nobody cares what you're doing. Posting your activities or life online is a poor way of alleviating the feelings of anomie. Real social interaction, real social networking is the only way to do that.
And I am sure someone will mention the point of disinformation relating to this. Employers beware. I could make myself look really good online when in fact it may be all bullcrap.
Sorry Fedora is a solid distro and can be used for anything. I am tired of the continuation of some old worn out perception that its a bad unstable distro only for testing et al. That is the wrong message to send to new linux users. Whats important is youre using UNIX and not that other OS. If you prefer a particular linux distro over another thats great, even if it is Un00btu :)
funny... I had no idea that China had their own linux distro. What? does it come without a web browser, iptables you cant change, and sample perl brute force dictionary attack scripts?
Well yea I think the mention of mega-corps duking it out is spot on... and that is the problem! As I see it sony and microsoft are not part of the film industry and shouldnt be in a position to dictate film distribution. So this issue to is like other online distribution venues in that no one place can offer "all" the film content that is available due to separate corporate ownership.
Microsoft is in a strange place with xbox. Making hardware like this? A live service to support? Game development? Considering gaming and consoles they have faired pretty damn well.
Believe me with MS and their history of bloatware I was worried they were going to bloat the hell out of the interface. They resisted the urge and NXE is good step forward to enhancing the interface of their successful game console.
Admittedly I was a little lost at first but thats what happens with something new. Wheres this and what happened to that questions were quickly answered by the guide button. BAM you got everything right there. And in the interface I started noticing the nice little touches like the description of games themselves with full screen slide shows.
Avators are fun and actually made mine look like me which works in a social networking context. Although I would like a choice of boxer shorts and 5 oclock shadow.
I'm a systems architect with many years experience. No real programming skills which the coding bunch will find odd and look down upon. Simply I hire programmers when I need them and usually have several on staff. I design, they code, I deploy.
Working on a big deployment my company hired a third party contractor for programming. The guy they sent was ok but seemed to be struggling with the project. I stepped in and reviewed the software and requirements and discovered he was doing it all wrong. He was fired and someone else finished the project.
Time passed and I applied for a job at another company. Was given a brief programming test which half of it I couldnt complete. Not a programmer and I explained that to them. They didnt care too much. As for the test I didnt mind and think its a good idea especially if its a programming position.
Now for the punchline... I did not get the job. It went to a guy who completed the test. The "same" guy we fired for incompetence on our project.
Anybody can write code. Its what you do with it thats important :)
Admittedly too busy to read the articles behind the links so I will spew my opinion without proper research. First I get the impression that the MS windows clique resembles republicans jumping on democrats when they make a comment and twist it to their end. Ultimately its shows they are grabbing at straws and unix in the end dominates the computing world. Maybe this post doesnt qualify as this, not sure, but be on guard.
Second its important for techies to explain to non-techies the difference between the OS and the desktop. Its not the same thing. Often Mac users rave about the virutes of their OS confusing it with the desktop. In fact the OS is a unix variant with a cool proprietary desktop, proprietary in the sense of the hardware and that desktop and app drivers will work without issue.
Third after making that distinction, understand that unix/bsd/linux is blessed with choice of desktop, and more importantly the flexibility of not running x windows at all. I can can see where the discussion may get confusing. Linux distros are more concerned with the OS, and the desktop is left to the developers who build desktops and to developers who build desktop apps. Its all good. The desktop becomes an abstract layer unto itself and major linux distros may find it unnecessary to focus on it and focus more on the OS and provide a solid foundation for server and/or desktop. They are not giving up on the desktop, just a desktop oriented distro. Someone else is focusing on the desktop.
Fourth the linux desktop has made huge strides in the last 10 years and gnome and kde developers deserve high praise and all the app developers that run with these. I'm amazed. Whats needed is support for end users to understand the issues and overcome the need for windows. End users get a computer with windows which is more often than not screwed up by additional software and bloatware which actually makes windows appear more unstable than it is. End users may try a linux desktop but dont equate free software with the absence of some software drivers and get frustrated there. I like the new feature in fedora 8, dont recall the name, where you open a file and the app discovers there is no driver for it and a pop up appears showing where to dl it or buy it.
Fifth its about the software you need to use to get your task done. Generic apps like word processors and spreadsheets are available for the linux desktop, for free. You dont have to use word anymore.
Finally is the desktop an issue? Computing has changed and in a way and come full circle. First you had client/server where your client was very thin and you connected to a central computer to accomplish your tasks. Then personal computers came along and it became decentralized. Now with the internet we are going back to client/server. How much time and effort do you want to invest in your desktop and apps when you can merely open a web browser and use a word processor at google.
Wow. Lots of talk and rants. My turn...
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First please make a clear distinction between operating system and desktop. Do not confuse end users.
Then decide what you think is the better operating system, Windows or UNIX (and all its variants). Remember to include the Mac operating system in the UNIX camp. After you have made your decision, support the growth and adoption of that operating system by using it. Maybe the lame one will die by attrition and we can then entertain ourselves by arguing over our favorite desktop... mac, gnome or kde.
I have used or touched all sorts of operating systems and have experinced many different desktops. My favorite is Microsoft Bob. I love the drawers and opening... ok joking. Seriously the linux desktops are wonderful. I have used gnome and kde for many years and the progress they have made is fantastic. I am so glad that I have an opportunity to express my thanks and gratitude to the people who have worked on them. Good job! Not to mention the progress of openoffice, and the many apps that grace our linux distros. Again good job!
My goal is to move forward with our operating system of choice, explore new things that we may not have considered, and not get mired in comparing it to the lame one. Lets move on. IMHO windows desktop has been copying the mac desktop for years now. The linux desktop has made great strides and is now competing in the corporate world, and is working on better multimedia support. Who cares about office, internet explorer, and outlook, you dont need them. You dont need Windows. You dont need Microsoft. Lets move on.
How do you move forward in the work place? Well if youre data center is full of "UNIX" servers, and your end users are using windows on their workstations, this is an opportunity to move the workstations to linux. If the data center is full of windows servers, and workstations are windows, well forget it.
How do move forward at home or in general? I agree that its your work and what your trying to accomplish is what you should focus on, then the application that does it, then the OS that app runs on. The Mac, beautiful and elegant desktop, and the hardware is also cool looking. But undertand that its a unix operating system running on proprietary hardware therefore there are no issues with drivers etc. Unlike windows and linux distros that you can install on different hardware. And between the two as far as installation, updates, network and driver issues its a wash, with more time spent dorking with windows.
What do I use? I'm a sys admin and tend to use what I use in the data center. One place I worked they used Suse, so I ran Suse and kde on my workstations. I got Red Hat in the data center where I work now, so I use Fedora and gnome. Love the code buddy in Fedora 8. At home fedora and windows. Windows!? Yes I use it to run premiere that I edit training videos on. Someday I will have the money for a Mac
mid 70's teletype machine hooked up to mainframe at lawrence livermore lab in berkeley and we played ascii star trek. killed couple of trees in the process.
Lets use Kenya as an example and shoot our way out of it! Obviously if democracy is to work, than voting needs to be ironclad. WTF!? First chads then computer voting. A portion of funds from the campaign millions should be used to pay for an accurate and secure voting process.
I have friends who are obsessed with warranties. Me, I dont care that much unless the item is brand new. Whether hard drives fail or I upgrade I do it myself and have the old hard drive.
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Its computing 101! Made a mistake and to whine about it like its not his responsibility is the epitome of pretense and bravado. I'll repeat the same thing... encrypt sensitive data. What if the macbook was stoled or lost? Backup your data too. As a programmer it would be a bad career choice to make public to my clients that I write code with authn data and give the data away. Then say OOPS apple is at fault. Too much
You arrogant bastard! :) Again its problematic for us because IT here is fragmented and there are not enough people. If our IT talent were more centralized no doubt we would have a better chance of deployment. But its not and the people maintaining campus wide infrastructure and systems like me are under staffed. Not hard to list apps and state how easy it is but when you DONT have a mail sys admin, network admin, hardware engineer, decent data center, and help desk staff its not going to happen. And besides email in my book is one level above printing, not something I am too excited to do. So for people in the same boat outsourcing can be perceived as a cry for help and funding where there is none. More about politics then common sense at edu's.
Our campus IT is fragmented. Although there is a stigma to outsourcing our email, it boils down to the cost of doing business. We need campus wide email and calendar. To this day we still dont have it. Its embarrassing. Obviously it would add great benefit to communication and collaboration. Attempts have been made to do it inhouse but the service doesnt match what google apps can support.
So yea I am disappointed I cant do it inhouse. We simply dont have the funding and resources. And to all the naysayers going on about important emails lost or student info in corporate hands its all moot when you cant communicate with one another in the freaky first place. Think of how research could benefit if we could simply talk and coordinate with each other.
I use all types of OS's and get bit in the ass occasionally by updates et al. Part of the biz friends. All this nonsense about what distro is better and I use it for the desktop or production is a joke. Use what you like. Who cares. BUT if you work in an RHEL production environment you should use fedora in some capacity at least to test whats coming down the road for RHEL.
What I am really tired of is fedora getting this rep as being so cutting edge that you should steer clear of it. That spin has gotten to be too much. Just another distro, nothing more. geez.
Windows XP?
My post said I preferred OS X over X Windows so dont burn an apple on my lawn. And that was my point, to see OS X for what it really is so more people can use it. Dont get infatuated with cute hardware. I can run X Windows on a mac, but I cant run OS X natively on my FreeBSD PC. Its even more easier now to run OS X on something other than a mac but the only thing stopping me is Apple. Stop putting XP CD's into intel macs. Start putting OS X CD's into PC's. Its the same old debate but this time Steve Jobs might take the leap.
Intel move was not a surprise. OS X is just BSD UNIX with a pretty graphical desktop. Easier to run on CISC chip. Apple is in a quandry, makes good software and consumer electronics but macs bought only by people who dont know better. Its a slippery slope as we move along and people realize thats is merely a choice between gnome, kde and OS X. Maybe some compromise and convergence will happen in the future. We'll get a pretty graphical desktop, good software but on linux on intel. Hey you can still run it on a computer that looks like a lamp if you want :)
Oops bad example... on meds for walking pneumonia :) My point is Sun bought the DS, they certainly did not develop it. Anybody who uses the Sun DS knows most of the config files and operational attributes are prefixed with "ns" which stands for netscape.
I have used this DS for many years and am pleased that Red Hat bought the Netscape product and didnt let it die. Sun aquired the code through a partnership called iPlanet. AOL ended up with the code too out of iPlanet and just liked the name "Netscape" for commercials. So now you got Sun and Red Hat moving forward with it.
:) So I agree with all the posts. Red Hat and fedora crowd should develop a console that lives up to the quality of the service, or make it an option at install so people who can, can use the command-line. Put a nice front-end on this baby and the world is yours!
Whats not to like? All operating systems have a decent DS now! You can stop announcing what you use, it just doesnt matter. If you run Suse edirectory, solaris Sun DS, windows AD, RHEL Red Hat DS.
GUI!? Interestingly enough in trying to get this DS to run on linux and other OS's in the past, its the console that caused problems not the actual service. Havent tried the latest Sun version for RHEL 3 so dont know the status but the darn java console always installed an old version (4) of the netscape http server. That was the culprit. One of the reasons the java console is there is to support central admin for other Sun products. Makes sense but now we dont need that anymore
Well I have been using this particular DS for many years and have tried it on a myriad of operating systems even windows. The platfrom support from Sun for RHEL and Windows has always been a version behind the current one. Only starting this year did Sun support RHEL 3 which in my book is pathetic. Remember Sun aquired the DS from Netscape, (nsswitch.conf notice the ns prefix) and dont really know what to do with it. This is a good DS and I am very pleased with Red Hats purchase. Its the best of both worlds. If you run Solaris you have a DS, and now if you run Red Hat you have a DS. And I think Windows shops have a DS too :)
LDAP
I think people overlook the general fault in using a database. LDAP is the solution. Larry is a fool if thinks his DBMS frankenstein can provide the speed and profiling necessary to properly track American citizens around the world. Obviously Big Brother would be better served by an LDAP directory and not an DBMS like Oracle. 'nuff said.