He may be under the (false) impression this is a universal problem.
If that were the case then new fancy phones are a hard sell. Why bother when service is bad?
Around where I live the phone works at home, work, and everywhere in between.
I would presume it works at the store etc but the phone sucks... It's old...
(Phone shuts off a lot for lack of battery power about 1 hour after a full charg... thats when it's not being used...)
The phone that got stolen was much better..
That and the niceness of having a PDA/phone system is why ordered a visor phone...
(Like cheap cell phones it's free with service activation... Oh boy.. so when they eventually deside to ship it.... one month later... I guess everybody is getting phones for christmass)
I'll guess both catch hell for having characters the writers don't know how to write for.
Most of the horrific jokes seem centered around Shatners bad acting and wig and Wheatons character being garbage.
BTW I liked the consept of Wesly Crusher and personly think Rodenbury needed to think that character out more and put more guidelines with reguards to that character.
Wheaton had nothing to work with...
They got harassed because it was *POSSIBLE* to make their code *WORK WITH* GPL'd code, but it wasn't free enough.
A bunch of fanatics beating up an innocent bystandar...
Sorry but that wasn't a violation of the GPL...
You can be harrased for violating the GPL becouse you MIGHT have compiled a Linux kernel the same day you compiled a commertal code..
Dosen't mean a thing...
If harrasment were the law I'd be legally bound to buy the local newspaper
[Stupid phone sales]
If I put code in the public domain, no one can ever make it unfree
Yes they can and do...
The reason there are so many accadental GPL violations is code theft is so natral in software develupment now a days that many develupers steal free software out of habbit.
They can make their own versions with whatever restrictions they want, but *MY* code remains free, forever.
There is the rub....
It's now up to you to prove that your the original author if somebody chouses to clame ownership of your code.
I made ZenToe public domain becouse I saw no benifit in preventing commertal versions of the code.
But some of the projects I am working on would suffer from a Microsoft embrase and extend... unless I had rights to the source code of ALL versions.
Additionally what happends to ISPs and SysAdmin who automaticly filter e-mail viruses.
Could someone go to jail simply for NOT running an e-mail virus?
Could Microsoft, RedHat, Apple or Sun get in trubble for fixing a defect?
Could the government ask Microsoft to install a back door then on descovery when Symantic patches Windows to CLOSE the back door or if BugTrap discovers it and a third party patches it.. Would the government sue for discovery or patch?
And Linux hacks have been known to exist that (for security reasons) pretend to be known Windows back doors to employ known defects in script kiddy toolkits.
The defects themselfs could be easy to discover just in the way the backdoor works.. "Ahh here the script kiddy has a file reception system were I can send ANY file I want... any size.. oh and a typical redundency compression system.... Let's see compression code.. repeate "0" for 16 gig.. ok thats 6 bytes than expand into 16 gig.. He's dead.."
On the inverse...
"In todays news known terrorist Al Be Dumbby was set free on a legal technicallity.
The terrorist group 'born stupid' is now counter suing for infecting Al Be Dumbbys computer...
Many suggest this lawsute is an act of intelegence and disproves the groups contention that the terrorists have an inherent right to be stupid.
Others point out had Al Be Dumbby not clicked on the virus or used Windows to start with this wouldn't be an issue"
Annother option...
I have a Handspring Visor...
A cell phone module has been available for it for quite some time now. [Your free module is in the mail.. please wait for the end of the world for it to arive] Between activation, Anthrax and Hanspring running out of units I may never see it..
ICQ, IRC, and Yahoo messanger are already installed on my PDA.
(I have a dial up modem for it)
If I get a keyboard it plugs into the other end (I don't have one yet as the existing system words fine for me) so I can have a keyboard and a cell phone on the same unit.
Handspring and a number of other companys are offering PalmOs cell phones.. The Handspring version has a keyboard built in. I suspect the others do as well.
Those units should also run ICQ.
I've seen one of the older cell phones using Geos as it's base operating system and those had built in keyboards.
I'm guessing the cycling issue has to do with more basic Nokia phones considering existing Geos, and PalmOs phones have keyboards it seems likely most "powerful enough to run something we could call an operating system" cell phones would have a keyboard of some sort.
Making Linux run on a PDA was pritty cool.
It showed how flexable Linux really is AND has the additional benifit of producing improved code for the desktop/server Linux code.
It says if needed an imbeded Linux CAN exist. Linux CAN be stuffed ANYPLACE.
I like my Visor Neo...
Can I get a wireless modem for the Linux PDA? Unlikely... But I can plug a wireless into my Neo..
Mom has a wireless built in her Palm IIV
Can I get a camra for the Linux PDA?
Unlikely... But I can plug one into my Neo
Mom has a Kodak she uses on hers...
How about a GPS? Yeah just about every PDA ever made has a GPS. The ill fated Zoomer had a GPS.. My Neo.. moms Palm... but this? Unlikely..
This comes off like a toy.. and hurts the Linux credability...
If ICANN takes a domain in an act of censorship in the name of IP rights take it to a real cort and sue em.
Hold on I already know the victoms can not afford it.. So what is needed is to stick a civil rights group on this.
EFF or ACLU might be good places to turn.
No business can folow every posable source of revenue.
The "looking cool" vs "patent all" deal is an ideal example.
A business will reach a fork where they can only folow one path.. attempting to folow both will undo the efforts of one or both sides.
Darwin "Cool" Patent "Uncool"
The PNG patent undose everything Darwin did. Alienating everyone that Darwin was intended to appeal to.
So Apple wins?
No... Darwin has already put Apple in the position of alienated all those of the "closed source is the best" croud..
This patent could only appeal to the people Apple already lost... or may have never had to start with.
You can't have everything and when you try you end up with nothing...
I hear this all the time.. and not just of Linux...
There are people absolutly convenced that you need to be a total geek to use a Mac... You try convencing them otherwise.
There are reasons why they think this some of them I won't get into..
But the primary reason is the person was told so by a person who never used the Mac.
Linux has the same problem only a lot more of it.
Most of us would laugh off the clame for Mac but the same clame made of Linux is believed.
This story starts when a person has a problem with a system. We've all heard how only a 15 year old can set a VCR clock. If you can set your own watch you can set a VCR clock.. People trying often do it when they don't have the time to learn and set themselfs up for failure.
Same for Mac, Windows, and Linux.
Then the story speads...
With Mac the story is laughed at.. "Jo thinks Mac is hard... ha ha ha"
With Linux the story is believed..."Ask Jo about how hard Linux is... he knows"
Jo is just relaying what he heard.
Then you have the 15 year old who never heard this. He installs Linux no problem.
The diffrence is he dosn't know it's hard. He gives himself time just like he dose for everything becouse his parents insist on it. It's the only way he'll learn anything.
Then later he discovers what he dose in his sleep others find imposable. He must be really smart. Wow...
Those people annoy Solarus and BSD admin who do exactly the same thing every day. They do even more. They know more than the avrage 15 year old 31337 know it all Linux user. So when someone comes off with the "I use Linux so I'm smart" addatude they get really mad.
Any idiot can use Linux. The learning curve is inflated.
I know this is a troll.. He makes some really big unfounded clames.
But the one that is believable is the "Linux is hard" clame and thats one people make a lot with out actually being a troll.
So there you have it...
But I'll close with this....
"any one who seeks a professional OS with high performance, scalability, stability, adherence to standards, etc."
Is going to be disapointed no matter what they get.
There is a particular approach that breaks the cycle called the GPL that is not worth getting into today, but I don't think there is much awareness about how so-called free software foundations designed that to break that cycle.
The cycle in question is the cycle of theft. Not the cycle of software develupment. That is presumming Gates knows the diffrence and I think he dose.
The is a sereous issue in the software world.. both commertal and free..
I'll call it "conversion".. It's a kind of theft.
I saw a lot of in in the early to mid 1980s.
It went both directions.
It still happends today.
Only diffrence is theft of free software is perfictly legal...
Unless it's GPLed software..
To exemplify this.. Linux was originally released under a much harsher liccens than the GPL.
This was very commen and the direct result of the conversion of a free game by a major video game software company.
Microsoft is having a hard time "educating" the problems with the GPL becouse they can't just come out and say whats wrong with it.
The GPL means Microsoft can't steal parts of Freedows for use in Windows.
I'm sure Freedows would be perfictly willing to strike a deal with Microsoft...
Freedows can have access to Windows XP source code for develupment of the free platform and Microsoft can use Freedows for develupment of it's consummer platform.
But thats not what they want...
They want to steal just as quickly as the avrage software "pirate" would steal Windows...
I watch TV now a days on an itty bitty screen.. a portable... sorry but when I'm infront of a larg display I'm using a computer...
Basicly from the discription of the UK problem it's a color logo..
The US counterpart is a tiny transparent logo that is the equal of a little bit of distortion... on my itty bitty TV the logo isn't even visable.
TV addicts will know what show belongs to what network... but fewer and fewer TV addicts exist..
Now a days it's like "You can get Internet cable and you get cable TV channels included in the pacage.. good yes yes?"...
I even saw a DSS sat add where they were selling a DSL+DSS pacage.. But the whole add was on how fast DSL is... "Oh yeah you get some TV channels with the deal"... hu?
Oh yeah I know what TV shows belong to what network...
StarTrek is Fox.. or is that TNN... I forget..
[Yes yes I know it's UPN but thats the point... it's easy to make that mistake]
TNN plasters UPN with adds for StarTrek TNG..
Network identity is importent...
Some stations insert an add saying "You are watching the To Stupid to Change the channel network" just so the Nealson people get it right.
Some add that transparent logo at the bottom of the screen.
The station ID graphic is cheaper and dosen't eat up add revenue... It's transparent... and it's not even noticable..
This thing is going to track what?
I give it a week before the packets flood the data storage and crash the spying hardware.
I give it a day before it starts loosing data to keep up.
I give it an hour before someone figures how to bypass it
I give it 15 seconds before somebody finds a way to trigger a national alert that there are terrorists at a former employers location.
I give it a month before Microsoft realises the Windows in testing is crashing due to packet moddifications by FBI due to a minnor defect in FBI software. Blame the FBI Os.. retract when they discover it's Win 2K.. and clame the problem is still there when the FBI fixes it by switching to BSD... (Thought I was gona say Linux didn't ya?)
It's fairly easy to look at the defecentcys of Linux and see how it will never messure up to Windows.
It's easy to look at the defecentcys of Windows and see how Linux must grind it into dust.
But when you look at both the picture isn't so clear.
Linux has many destros that provide diffrent behavures...
This makes it hard for closed source develupers to make binarys than run on all Linux systems
vs Windows
However DLLs on Windows are installed automaticly. Even bug fixes threaton to cause all existing software to not function. Two computers in the same office don't behave the same simply becouse the software was installed in a diffrent order.
In short it's a crap shoot eather way..
The best bet for Linux is develup for the majority and for Windows is to work closely with Microsoft.
Those tactics seem to work well.
Linux isn't user friendly so staff must be trainned to use the system
Windows staff need to be trainned to avoid doing what Windows experts consider stupid such as open e-mail with file attachments..
[Sorry it seems perfictly reasonable that an e-mail program wouldn't offer an easy way to destory a system...]
Trainning is unavoidable.. With Windows the person who sleeps through the trainning will destory the system with Linux the person who sleeps through the trainning won't be able to do a dam thing.
Fire him...
Windows is buggy and Microsoft tends to not want to release bug fixes for "features" [e-mail viruses again]
Some Linux destros are worse and have even more insidious behavure.
All the games are made for Windows...
Well all the commertal ones.. the freebes are all Linux...
The best ones are on game consoles.
I play games on my palm...
For every problem there is a counter issue..
Windows servers can send raw HTML and image files realy fast.. but don't do dynamic content very well.
Linux isn't that much slower but image files are big enough to make this an issue.
Tit for tat...
Linux was born as a desktop I think everyone is far to willing to forget this...
It's all dependent on what you want and need.
To expect one to crush the other is really nieve.
I think Linux will reach equalibreum with MacOs and the two will crush Windows...
Your right about RedHat. They throw together the worst Linux destro.
RedHat has lost track of the whole idea of a destro. It's a "value added" Linux.. a better Linux than you'd get if you did it yourself.
Not RedHat..
The whole point is you shouldn't need to patch it.
The defects found in RedHat and Windows are really stupid.
Yeah don't run attachments.. smart idea.. Let's rember that this is a FEATURE Microsoft ADDED. It's not a defect. Windows was made this way.
Give Microsoft a break for the first virus. Ok done.. Need the first infection to learn. Well great but the stupid patch is on the human side.
Let's also remember that Windows is designed to be "user friendly" in other words users don't know better. Linux is made with the os develupers in mind.. not the avrage user. So before you could run an e-mail virus you'd have to know enough about Linux to recognise the virus for what it is.
Now before we get ferther on the "RedHat".. RedHat is not Linux... RedHat is one single destro that compeates with Microsoft for the title of "the most bugs"... and last I heard RedHat held the title.. Not Microsoft.
Going into the past there have been many brown bag Unixes that were far worse than anything Microsoft put out. It's not like Microsoft or RedHat has ever achived the title of "all time most buggy".
But those companys went away. Pushed under by Sun Microsystems long before Linux saw the light of day.
Yes you can pick out a Linux destro that is as bad if not worse than Microsoft.. I know RedHat isn't the only brain dead destro.
So you can't just buy the first Linux destro on the shelfs any more than you could buy the first used car you see.
But you can't shop around for a better Windows.
Finnaly as I understand Windows admin are fearful of Microsoft patches. They are worried the fix will be worse than the disease...
That fear dosen't seem to be shared by Linux counterparts.
Ideally a Linux destro should be fine out of the box needing no patching. Not all destros have this advantage so you do need to shop around.
A lot more preferable to patching Windows and hoping the patches don't make things worse.
Basicly for Linux you need to train users there is no way around this.
If you want Windows to work correctly you have to train the users as well.
Now what advantage did Windows have over Linux? Not needing to train anybody.
Oh.. yeah well I guess thats not the case anymore.
There aren't any viruses for Linux at the moment.
If you want to argue the future fine be my guest but let's leave it at right now Windows has the lead in viruses. Linux won't catch up even if we wanted it to...
I'm all for camras in public places.
The problem as I see it is the camras are cheap worthless POS units.
In the United States we have this whole issue reguarding camras at stop lights to catch traffic violations.
They don't work.. Reports of the camras going off when the light is green or yellow. Or when nobody is in the intersection.
The issues are simple.. Poor technology and poor impliementation of technology.
Stop light camras shouldn't even be used to ticket but just to find the best places to put police officers. Ticketting really works best so I'm told when an officer pulls a person over just after the violation...
In the UK just put in better camras. See where it's NOT working and fix it. Attend to abuses.
Change policys. Change technologys.
It could do a lot of good and it could do a lot of evil. It's just a matter of making it work.
As to the teen suiside comment made elsewhere.
A bathtub of water, sleeping pills, drug overdose, "huffing", knifes... Outside of gangs kids don't have a whole lot of access to guns to start with... suisidal teens pritty much have to make due with what they have... and thats more likely to be a bathtub full of water than a gun.
In the end the best solution to general crime is to arm the population.
Terrorism is a diffrent issue I'm affrade... Terrorists plan ahead... if being shot and killed is a posability the terrorist just plans for it and dose his deal anyway.
Microsoft has failed to make a very good entrence into the PDA market.
This gave Palm enough time to control the market.
If Microsoft is to capture the PDA market they will have to do one thing they have failed to do for years.
Produce a quality product.
Let me make myself clearer..
A product with the features the users want.
WinCE systems are already nice high end systems.
Thats exactly what PDAs should NOT be.
Palm has made some sereous mistakes and they could lose marketshare to somebody...
But to suggest that somebody might be Microsoft just makes me want to laugh out loud...
Employers are expecting Collage graduates to be able to handle worklife.
This includes being able to stick to work and not be distracted while having access to the Internet as is nessisary for the job.
To be able to receave e-mail AT ALL TIMES (as is the nature of e-mail) and read when appropreate.
The capturing of e-mail.. for a moment.. this is sad.. e-mail will be sent when ever the sender feels like it. The receaver is a student and happends to be in class. He isn't reading but it is being sent. The profesor gets to intercept it like notes past in grade school.
This is sad anyway.. they need to learn better.
And then there are those of us who can handle doing school work and something else..
(I wrote code or drew pictures when there was nothing else to do)
Collages shouldn't turn out students who can't resist the temptation to play when work needs to be done. They aren't work ready.
Thats part of the value of a deploma over a certificate (and I'm a certified Linux sysadm) the experence.
I have the skill but that dosen't mean I'll get the job done. Thats what a collage deploma says.. This guy will get the job done.. if he knows what he is doing. He won't play with the computer all day long and call it work.
This is a person you can trust to some degree...
Not if they graduate from a collage that blocks net access while in class.
This keeps going and I won't need to graduate from collage to get work...
I was offered a job by a friend to work at his new DotCom...
I needed only move away from home and work for free for 6 months.
I considered it and turnned my friend down.
Six months later he seems to have gotten everything going all on his own. Horray for him.
Now he did get me intrested in working for free for a dot com.. thats why I started my own..
If I work for somebody I expect to get paid.
Let me add if I were screwed out of a paycheck I would walk home with something slightly less valuable than my missing paycheck.. and quit..
I will NEVER work for someone who employees blackmail.
As for the employees of companys who pull that. Get together and do the same thing.. only do it RIGHT. A good business plan is more valuable than the hardware assets anyway..
We can talk all we like about how useful encryption is as a tool for terrorism.
The reality dose not seem to match this fact.
Techno terrorism is more likely to come in the form of cracking leading to website defacement. Such terrorism has been done under the lable "Hactivism"... Thow I'd much prefer Hactivism to a bombing anyday.
Or in the form of blackmail.. Reading other peoples e-mail is amazingly simple. From this you can derive all kind of things. Personal habbits, who's replaced a crazed cyber stalking ex, or any blackmail useful information.
The reality is terrorists only use the Internet for recruting. They don't do any real terrorist work on-line.
This is my question for EVERY time this issue comes up..
"Was encryption used before?"
It COULD be done sure. But it appears to be far less practical than we'd like to believe.
Let's ban it becouse they MIGHT use it.
That sort of logic is exactly why we need strong encryption. Not for terrorism but to keep personal e-mail from idiots who might mistake "Love XOXO" for a terrorist code...
Rest easy. Yes Unix can have worms and in fact it has happend.
This worm was fixed about as quickly as possable. The only real problem was getting the fix out as the worm had sereously disrupted the primary means of getting the patch out.
The time delay for Microsoft patches is a great deal longer and is due to develupment delays not distrubution delays.
There is also a delay due to NT admin fears the patch may disrupt the system. I doupt this is a realistic fear but I have heard it once or twice. I think this is more or less the end result of the ignorence Microsoft premotes amoung NT admin. That ignorence is probably responsable for more problems than the software itself.
In short once a worm is created once known it should be a short time before bug fix.
But not blindly....
The reality is worms are a low likelyhood. You should stand ready for a whole range of issues worms are in the bag.
Viruses are even less likely and nearly impossable. However IF we go getting paranoid about worms to the exclusion of all else... Viruses viruses viruses... becouse we are looking the other way.. won't you feel dumb..
Keep an eye do the maintanence, read the logs, read slashdot, bug trap and so on.. keep an eye on the issues related to your system.
Worms aren't the only problem. They are an issue. They aren't the only issue.
Just don't get cought with your shorts down.
And... don't wait for someone to fix it... yeah it'll happen in 10 or 20 minuts (vs the 10 to 20 days for Microsoft) but as we learnned with the last Unix worm..
Min 1. You learn about defect
Min 2. You look for someone fixing it
Min 3. You find someone
Min 4. You wait
Min 5. You wait
Min 6. It's done.. you download
Min 7. Your still downloading
Min 8. Hmm the network seems a bit slow.. your still downloading
Min 9. Why is the network slow?
Min 10. Your crashed... you got the worm before you got the patch... you lose try again..
If someone fixes it first.. horray... if not.. don't wait...
However rember this stuff requires a major deffect in the system to work. It'll only effect one platform and only one version of that platform.
(With Linux it'll hit many distrobutions unless it's a distro screw up and not a real software defect..)
The real pitfall of Linux is it isn't very user friendly. In this I don't mean it's complex or clunky that is more or less incorrect.
Linux needs a considerable amount of computer skills to install configure and use. That is what makes it not friendly. But once you have those skills Linux runs as smooth as silk.
That is what makes it not suted for the desktop. A desktop should run smooth as silk with limited office skills. Not computer trainned computer experts but the high school or collage interns. The avrage low end office population.
So the best solution is Windows?
I think not..
As of late Microsoft has favored 'skilled end user' solutions to problems in Windows over real solutions. In part becouse some of those problems can not be fixed with out removing a significant feature.
The results are an office worker shutting things down for a few days.
The reality is you train your office workers. You have no choice. With this in mind the whole 'user friendly' advantage is a fantacy.
The defects in Windows really eats into productivity.
Finnally when you update the hardware get Mac hardware not more PCs. You don't have to train your users and they work hand in hand with Linux systems. Both are Unix like so you can run most of the same code on both platforms. Throw in BSDs and Solarus boxes and everything works perfictly. Just drop the right box on the appropreate desk. Not everyone need run the same system when they all work together.
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He may be under the (false) impression this is a universal problem.
If that were the case then new fancy phones are a hard sell. Why bother when service is bad?
Around where I live the phone works at home, work, and everywhere in between.
I would presume it works at the store etc but the phone sucks... It's old...
(Phone shuts off a lot for lack of battery power about 1 hour after a full charg... thats when it's not being used...)
The phone that got stolen was much better..
That and the niceness of having a PDA/phone system is why ordered a visor phone...
(Like cheap cell phones it's free with service activation... Oh boy.. so when they eventually deside to ship it.... one month later... I guess everybody is getting phones for christmass)
I'll guess both catch hell for having characters the writers don't know how to write for.
Most of the horrific jokes seem centered around Shatners bad acting and wig and Wheatons character being garbage.
BTW I liked the consept of Wesly Crusher and personly think Rodenbury needed to think that character out more and put more guidelines with reguards to that character.
Wheaton had nothing to work with...
They got harassed because it was *POSSIBLE* to make their code *WORK WITH* GPL'd code, but it wasn't free enough.
A bunch of fanatics beating up an innocent bystandar...
Sorry but that wasn't a violation of the GPL...
You can be harrased for violating the GPL becouse you MIGHT have compiled a Linux kernel the same day you compiled a commertal code..
Dosen't mean a thing...
If harrasment were the law I'd be legally bound to buy the local newspaper
[Stupid phone sales]
If I put code in the public domain, no one can ever make it unfree
Yes they can and do...
The reason there are so many accadental GPL violations is code theft is so natral in software develupment now a days that many develupers steal free software out of habbit.
They can make their own versions with whatever restrictions they want, but *MY* code remains free, forever.
There is the rub....
It's now up to you to prove that your the original author if somebody chouses to clame ownership of your code.
I made ZenToe public domain becouse I saw no benifit in preventing commertal versions of the code.
But some of the projects I am working on would suffer from a Microsoft embrase and extend... unless I had rights to the source code of ALL versions.
Additionally what happends to ISPs and SysAdmin who automaticly filter e-mail viruses.
Could someone go to jail simply for NOT running an e-mail virus?
Could Microsoft, RedHat, Apple or Sun get in trubble for fixing a defect?
Could the government ask Microsoft to install a back door then on descovery when Symantic patches Windows to CLOSE the back door or if BugTrap discovers it and a third party patches it.. Would the government sue for discovery or patch?
And Linux hacks have been known to exist that (for security reasons) pretend to be known Windows back doors to employ known defects in script kiddy toolkits.
The defects themselfs could be easy to discover just in the way the backdoor works.. "Ahh here the script kiddy has a file reception system were I can send ANY file I want... any size.. oh and a typical redundency compression system.... Let's see compression code.. repeate "0" for 16 gig.. ok thats 6 bytes than expand into 16 gig.. He's dead.."
On the inverse...
"In todays news known terrorist Al Be Dumbby was set free on a legal technicallity.
The terrorist group 'born stupid' is now counter suing for infecting Al Be Dumbbys computer...
Many suggest this lawsute is an act of intelegence and disproves the groups contention that the terrorists have an inherent right to be stupid.
Others point out had Al Be Dumbby not clicked on the virus or used Windows to start with this wouldn't be an issue"
Annother option...
I have a Handspring Visor...
A cell phone module has been available for it for quite some time now. [Your free module is in the mail.. please wait for the end of the world for it to arive] Between activation, Anthrax and Hanspring running out of units I may never see it..
ICQ, IRC, and Yahoo messanger are already installed on my PDA.
(I have a dial up modem for it)
If I get a keyboard it plugs into the other end (I don't have one yet as the existing system words fine for me) so I can have a keyboard and a cell phone on the same unit.
Handspring and a number of other companys are offering PalmOs cell phones.. The Handspring version has a keyboard built in. I suspect the others do as well.
Those units should also run ICQ.
I've seen one of the older cell phones using Geos as it's base operating system and those had built in keyboards.
I'm guessing the cycling issue has to do with more basic Nokia phones considering existing Geos, and PalmOs phones have keyboards it seems likely most "powerful enough to run something we could call an operating system" cell phones would have a keyboard of some sort.
Making Linux run on a PDA was pritty cool.
It showed how flexable Linux really is AND has the additional benifit of producing improved code for the desktop/server Linux code.
It says if needed an imbeded Linux CAN exist. Linux CAN be stuffed ANYPLACE.
I like my Visor Neo...
Can I get a wireless modem for the Linux PDA? Unlikely... But I can plug a wireless into my Neo..
Mom has a wireless built in her Palm IIV
Can I get a camra for the Linux PDA?
Unlikely... But I can plug one into my Neo
Mom has a Kodak she uses on hers...
How about a GPS? Yeah just about every PDA ever made has a GPS. The ill fated Zoomer had a GPS.. My Neo.. moms Palm... but this? Unlikely..
This comes off like a toy.. and hurts the Linux credability...
I'll stick with my Visor thank you..
If ICANN takes a domain in an act of censorship in the name of IP rights take it to a real cort and sue em.
Hold on I already know the victoms can not afford it.. So what is needed is to stick a civil rights group on this.
EFF or ACLU might be good places to turn.
No business can folow every posable source of revenue.
The "looking cool" vs "patent all" deal is an ideal example.
A business will reach a fork where they can only folow one path.. attempting to folow both will undo the efforts of one or both sides.
Darwin "Cool" Patent "Uncool"
The PNG patent undose everything Darwin did. Alienating everyone that Darwin was intended to appeal to.
So Apple wins?
No... Darwin has already put Apple in the position of alienated all those of the "closed source is the best" croud..
This patent could only appeal to the people Apple already lost... or may have never had to start with.
You can't have everything and when you try you end up with nothing...
I hear this all the time.. and not just of Linux...
There are people absolutly convenced that you need to be a total geek to use a Mac... You try convencing them otherwise.
There are reasons why they think this some of them I won't get into..
But the primary reason is the person was told so by a person who never used the Mac.
Linux has the same problem only a lot more of it.
Most of us would laugh off the clame for Mac but the same clame made of Linux is believed.
This story starts when a person has a problem with a system. We've all heard how only a 15 year old can set a VCR clock. If you can set your own watch you can set a VCR clock.. People trying often do it when they don't have the time to learn and set themselfs up for failure.
Same for Mac, Windows, and Linux.
Then the story speads...
With Mac the story is laughed at.. "Jo thinks Mac is hard... ha ha ha"
With Linux the story is believed..."Ask Jo about how hard Linux is... he knows"
Jo is just relaying what he heard.
Then you have the 15 year old who never heard this. He installs Linux no problem.
The diffrence is he dosn't know it's hard. He gives himself time just like he dose for everything becouse his parents insist on it. It's the only way he'll learn anything.
Then later he discovers what he dose in his sleep others find imposable. He must be really smart. Wow...
Those people annoy Solarus and BSD admin who do exactly the same thing every day. They do even more. They know more than the avrage 15 year old 31337 know it all Linux user. So when someone comes off with the "I use Linux so I'm smart" addatude they get really mad.
Any idiot can use Linux. The learning curve is inflated.
I know this is a troll.. He makes some really big unfounded clames.
But the one that is believable is the "Linux is hard" clame and thats one people make a lot with out actually being a troll.
So there you have it...
But I'll close with this....
"any one who seeks a professional OS with high performance, scalability, stability, adherence to standards, etc."
Is going to be disapointed no matter what they get.
Everyone lacks something on that list..
There is a particular approach that breaks the cycle called the GPL that is not worth getting into today, but I don't think there is much awareness about how so-called free software foundations designed that to break that cycle.
The cycle in question is the cycle of theft. Not the cycle of software develupment. That is presumming Gates knows the diffrence and I think he dose.
The is a sereous issue in the software world.. both commertal and free..
I'll call it "conversion".. It's a kind of theft.
I saw a lot of in in the early to mid 1980s.
It went both directions.
It still happends today.
Only diffrence is theft of free software is perfictly legal...
Unless it's GPLed software..
To exemplify this.. Linux was originally released under a much harsher liccens than the GPL.
This was very commen and the direct result of the conversion of a free game by a major video game software company.
Microsoft is having a hard time "educating" the problems with the GPL becouse they can't just come out and say whats wrong with it.
The GPL means Microsoft can't steal parts of Freedows for use in Windows.
I'm sure Freedows would be perfictly willing to strike a deal with Microsoft...
Freedows can have access to Windows XP source code for develupment of the free platform and Microsoft can use Freedows for develupment of it's consummer platform.
But thats not what they want...
They want to steal just as quickly as the avrage software "pirate" would steal Windows...
I have played golf.. didn't like it.. don't play anymore...
It was never a hobby to me.
I watch TV now a days on an itty bitty screen.. a portable... sorry but when I'm infront of a larg display I'm using a computer...
Basicly from the discription of the UK problem it's a color logo..
The US counterpart is a tiny transparent logo that is the equal of a little bit of distortion... on my itty bitty TV the logo isn't even visable.
TV addicts will know what show belongs to what network... but fewer and fewer TV addicts exist..
Now a days it's like "You can get Internet cable and you get cable TV channels included in the pacage.. good yes yes?"...
I even saw a DSS sat add where they were selling a DSL+DSS pacage.. But the whole add was on how fast DSL is... "Oh yeah you get some TV channels with the deal"... hu?
Oh yeah I know what TV shows belong to what network...
StarTrek is Fox.. or is that TNN... I forget..
[Yes yes I know it's UPN but thats the point... it's easy to make that mistake]
TNN plasters UPN with adds for StarTrek TNG..
Network identity is importent...
Some stations insert an add saying "You are watching the To Stupid to Change the channel network" just so the Nealson people get it right.
Some add that transparent logo at the bottom of the screen.
The station ID graphic is cheaper and dosen't eat up add revenue... It's transparent... and it's not even noticable..
If the XBox dosen't work we won't buy them
Only the first few will and they'll report how flaky they are.
If Microsoft pulls monopolistic moves and pushes the other game consoles off the market will we be compelled to buy X Box?
No..
Productivity tools are a need. It dosen't matter if the program crashes or dosen't work 90% of the time.. It's needed.
But on a game console.. thats a diffrent story.
Some people have jobs that suck most of the time. They do them anyway. They have to pay rent...
But nobody has a hobby that sucks most of the time. At least to them anyway.
If X Box isn't 100% great it's dead....
If Microsoft monopolises the market and crams the X Box the market dies with the X Box.
There is only one standard.. It must be fun.. if it's no fun it's dead...
This thing is going to track what?
I give it a week before the packets flood the data storage and crash the spying hardware.
I give it a day before it starts loosing data to keep up.
I give it an hour before someone figures how to bypass it
I give it 15 seconds before somebody finds a way to trigger a national alert that there are terrorists at a former employers location.
I give it a month before Microsoft realises the Windows in testing is crashing due to packet moddifications by FBI due to a minnor defect in FBI software. Blame the FBI Os.. retract when they discover it's Win 2K.. and clame the problem is still there when the FBI fixes it by switching to BSD... (Thought I was gona say Linux didn't ya?)
It's fairly easy to look at the defecentcys of Linux and see how it will never messure up to Windows.
It's easy to look at the defecentcys of Windows and see how Linux must grind it into dust.
But when you look at both the picture isn't so clear.
Linux has many destros that provide diffrent behavures...
This makes it hard for closed source develupers to make binarys than run on all Linux systems
vs Windows
However DLLs on Windows are installed automaticly. Even bug fixes threaton to cause all existing software to not function. Two computers in the same office don't behave the same simply becouse the software was installed in a diffrent order.
In short it's a crap shoot eather way..
The best bet for Linux is develup for the majority and for Windows is to work closely with Microsoft.
Those tactics seem to work well.
Linux isn't user friendly so staff must be trainned to use the system
Windows staff need to be trainned to avoid doing what Windows experts consider stupid such as open e-mail with file attachments..
[Sorry it seems perfictly reasonable that an e-mail program wouldn't offer an easy way to destory a system...]
Trainning is unavoidable.. With Windows the person who sleeps through the trainning will destory the system with Linux the person who sleeps through the trainning won't be able to do a dam thing.
Fire him...
Windows is buggy and Microsoft tends to not want to release bug fixes for "features" [e-mail viruses again]
Some Linux destros are worse and have even more insidious behavure.
All the games are made for Windows...
Well all the commertal ones.. the freebes are all Linux...
The best ones are on game consoles.
I play games on my palm...
For every problem there is a counter issue..
Windows servers can send raw HTML and image files realy fast.. but don't do dynamic content very well.
Linux isn't that much slower but image files are big enough to make this an issue.
Tit for tat...
Linux was born as a desktop I think everyone is far to willing to forget this...
It's all dependent on what you want and need.
To expect one to crush the other is really nieve.
I think Linux will reach equalibreum with MacOs and the two will crush Windows...
Your right about RedHat. They throw together the worst Linux destro.
RedHat has lost track of the whole idea of a destro. It's a "value added" Linux.. a better Linux than you'd get if you did it yourself.
Not RedHat..
The whole point is you shouldn't need to patch it.
The defects found in RedHat and Windows are really stupid.
Yeah don't run attachments.. smart idea.. Let's rember that this is a FEATURE Microsoft ADDED. It's not a defect. Windows was made this way.
Give Microsoft a break for the first virus. Ok done.. Need the first infection to learn. Well great but the stupid patch is on the human side.
Let's also remember that Windows is designed to be "user friendly" in other words users don't know better. Linux is made with the os develupers in mind.. not the avrage user. So before you could run an e-mail virus you'd have to know enough about Linux to recognise the virus for what it is.
Now before we get ferther on the "RedHat".. RedHat is not Linux... RedHat is one single destro that compeates with Microsoft for the title of "the most bugs"... and last I heard RedHat held the title.. Not Microsoft.
Going into the past there have been many brown bag Unixes that were far worse than anything Microsoft put out. It's not like Microsoft or RedHat has ever achived the title of "all time most buggy".
But those companys went away. Pushed under by Sun Microsystems long before Linux saw the light of day.
Yes you can pick out a Linux destro that is as bad if not worse than Microsoft.. I know RedHat isn't the only brain dead destro.
So you can't just buy the first Linux destro on the shelfs any more than you could buy the first used car you see.
But you can't shop around for a better Windows.
Finnaly as I understand Windows admin are fearful of Microsoft patches. They are worried the fix will be worse than the disease...
That fear dosen't seem to be shared by Linux counterparts.
Ideally a Linux destro should be fine out of the box needing no patching. Not all destros have this advantage so you do need to shop around.
A lot more preferable to patching Windows and hoping the patches don't make things worse.
Basicly for Linux you need to train users there is no way around this.
If you want Windows to work correctly you have to train the users as well.
Now what advantage did Windows have over Linux? Not needing to train anybody.
Oh.. yeah well I guess thats not the case anymore.
There aren't any viruses for Linux at the moment.
If you want to argue the future fine be my guest but let's leave it at right now Windows has the lead in viruses. Linux won't catch up even if we wanted it to...
I'm all for camras in public places.
The problem as I see it is the camras are cheap worthless POS units.
In the United States we have this whole issue reguarding camras at stop lights to catch traffic violations.
They don't work.. Reports of the camras going off when the light is green or yellow. Or when nobody is in the intersection.
The issues are simple.. Poor technology and poor impliementation of technology.
Stop light camras shouldn't even be used to ticket but just to find the best places to put police officers. Ticketting really works best so I'm told when an officer pulls a person over just after the violation...
In the UK just put in better camras. See where it's NOT working and fix it. Attend to abuses.
Change policys. Change technologys.
It could do a lot of good and it could do a lot of evil. It's just a matter of making it work.
As to the teen suiside comment made elsewhere.
A bathtub of water, sleeping pills, drug overdose, "huffing", knifes... Outside of gangs kids don't have a whole lot of access to guns to start with... suisidal teens pritty much have to make due with what they have... and thats more likely to be a bathtub full of water than a gun.
In the end the best solution to general crime is to arm the population.
Terrorism is a diffrent issue I'm affrade... Terrorists plan ahead... if being shot and killed is a posability the terrorist just plans for it and dose his deal anyway.
Microsoft has failed to make a very good entrence into the PDA market.
This gave Palm enough time to control the market.
If Microsoft is to capture the PDA market they will have to do one thing they have failed to do for years.
Produce a quality product.
Let me make myself clearer..
A product with the features the users want.
WinCE systems are already nice high end systems.
Thats exactly what PDAs should NOT be.
Palm has made some sereous mistakes and they could lose marketshare to somebody...
But to suggest that somebody might be Microsoft just makes me want to laugh out loud...
.org nither implys a company (of any sort) nore an education facility...
I think only a non-proffit organisation (a dot org) should be alowed to challange the dot org domain name...
The student should argue that Drexel.edu is the only domain inside the educational trademark.
Employers are expecting Collage graduates to be able to handle worklife.
This includes being able to stick to work and not be distracted while having access to the Internet as is nessisary for the job.
To be able to receave e-mail AT ALL TIMES (as is the nature of e-mail) and read when appropreate.
The capturing of e-mail.. for a moment.. this is sad.. e-mail will be sent when ever the sender feels like it. The receaver is a student and happends to be in class. He isn't reading but it is being sent. The profesor gets to intercept it like notes past in grade school.
This is sad anyway.. they need to learn better.
And then there are those of us who can handle doing school work and something else..
(I wrote code or drew pictures when there was nothing else to do)
Collages shouldn't turn out students who can't resist the temptation to play when work needs to be done. They aren't work ready.
Thats part of the value of a deploma over a certificate (and I'm a certified Linux sysadm) the experence.
I have the skill but that dosen't mean I'll get the job done. Thats what a collage deploma says.. This guy will get the job done.. if he knows what he is doing. He won't play with the computer all day long and call it work.
This is a person you can trust to some degree...
Not if they graduate from a collage that blocks net access while in class.
This keeps going and I won't need to graduate from collage to get work...
I was offered a job by a friend to work at his new DotCom...
I needed only move away from home and work for free for 6 months.
I considered it and turnned my friend down.
Six months later he seems to have gotten everything going all on his own. Horray for him.
Now he did get me intrested in working for free for a dot com.. thats why I started my own..
If I work for somebody I expect to get paid.
Let me add if I were screwed out of a paycheck I would walk home with something slightly less valuable than my missing paycheck.. and quit..
I will NEVER work for someone who employees blackmail.
As for the employees of companys who pull that. Get together and do the same thing.. only do it RIGHT. A good business plan is more valuable than the hardware assets anyway..
We can talk all we like about how useful encryption is as a tool for terrorism.
The reality dose not seem to match this fact.
Techno terrorism is more likely to come in the form of cracking leading to website defacement. Such terrorism has been done under the lable "Hactivism"... Thow I'd much prefer Hactivism to a bombing anyday.
Or in the form of blackmail.. Reading other peoples e-mail is amazingly simple. From this you can derive all kind of things. Personal habbits, who's replaced a crazed cyber stalking ex, or any blackmail useful information.
The reality is terrorists only use the Internet for recruting. They don't do any real terrorist work on-line.
PGP is useless for modern day terrorism...
This is my question for EVERY time this issue comes up..
"Was encryption used before?"
It COULD be done sure. But it appears to be far less practical than we'd like to believe.
Let's ban it becouse they MIGHT use it.
That sort of logic is exactly why we need strong encryption. Not for terrorism but to keep personal e-mail from idiots who might mistake "Love XOXO" for a terrorist code...
Rest easy. Yes Unix can have worms and in fact it has happend.
This worm was fixed about as quickly as possable. The only real problem was getting the fix out as the worm had sereously disrupted the primary means of getting the patch out.
The time delay for Microsoft patches is a great deal longer and is due to develupment delays not distrubution delays.
There is also a delay due to NT admin fears the patch may disrupt the system. I doupt this is a realistic fear but I have heard it once or twice. I think this is more or less the end result of the ignorence Microsoft premotes amoung NT admin. That ignorence is probably responsable for more problems than the software itself.
In short once a worm is created once known it should be a short time before bug fix.
But not blindly....
The reality is worms are a low likelyhood. You should stand ready for a whole range of issues worms are in the bag.
Viruses are even less likely and nearly impossable. However IF we go getting paranoid about worms to the exclusion of all else... Viruses viruses viruses... becouse we are looking the other way.. won't you feel dumb..
Keep an eye do the maintanence, read the logs, read slashdot, bug trap and so on.. keep an eye on the issues related to your system.
Worms aren't the only problem. They are an issue. They aren't the only issue.
Just don't get cought with your shorts down.
And... don't wait for someone to fix it... yeah it'll happen in 10 or 20 minuts (vs the 10 to 20 days for Microsoft) but as we learnned with the last Unix worm..
Min 1. You learn about defect
Min 2. You look for someone fixing it
Min 3. You find someone
Min 4. You wait
Min 5. You wait
Min 6. It's done.. you download
Min 7. Your still downloading
Min 8. Hmm the network seems a bit slow.. your still downloading
Min 9. Why is the network slow?
Min 10. Your crashed... you got the worm before you got the patch... you lose try again..
If someone fixes it first.. horray... if not.. don't wait...
However rember this stuff requires a major deffect in the system to work. It'll only effect one platform and only one version of that platform.
(With Linux it'll hit many distrobutions unless it's a distro screw up and not a real software defect..)
The real pitfall of Linux is it isn't very user friendly. In this I don't mean it's complex or clunky that is more or less incorrect.
Linux needs a considerable amount of computer skills to install configure and use. That is what makes it not friendly. But once you have those skills Linux runs as smooth as silk.
That is what makes it not suted for the desktop. A desktop should run smooth as silk with limited office skills. Not computer trainned computer experts but the high school or collage interns. The avrage low end office population.
So the best solution is Windows?
I think not..
As of late Microsoft has favored 'skilled end user' solutions to problems in Windows over real solutions. In part becouse some of those problems can not be fixed with out removing a significant feature.
The results are an office worker shutting things down for a few days.
The reality is you train your office workers. You have no choice. With this in mind the whole 'user friendly' advantage is a fantacy.
The defects in Windows really eats into productivity.
Finnally when you update the hardware get Mac hardware not more PCs. You don't have to train your users and they work hand in hand with Linux systems. Both are Unix like so you can run most of the same code on both platforms. Throw in BSDs and Solarus boxes and everything works perfictly. Just drop the right box on the appropreate desk. Not everyone need run the same system when they all work together.