[...], your post is, for all practical purposes, useless.
Oh! You've come to/. for usefull comments/posts? My bad, sorry to disappoint you...
On a more serious note: the Article is giving the impression that IRC is bad, 'cause it is a pool of crime and nothing more. It tries to give the impression that IRC is not used for constructive things (see irc.openprojects.net) or just plain fun (see any other IRC network). Of course I don't think that CNN or any big company will report anything else about this "anti-big-company"-medium, but I think this article is at least as useless as you think my comment is. Thanks for listening.
And yet another poster who needs to be beaten with a cluestick -- badly.
Thanks for this nice quote. Ditto.
What I meant is "Pretty usefull and widely used communication facility (Phone system)" <-> "Pretty usefull and widely used communication facility (IRC)".
It seems to be, that it will be when it's ready and not an minute earlier. I think the mozilla guys take this release quite serious, 'cause they have to live with the API of this release for a pretty long time. In case you didn't realize: Mozilla 1.0 is targeted primarily on developers/embedders, although I'm pretty sure many end-users (especially from the/.-crowd) will use it, nonetheless.
If you want to get some kind of countdown you could try to look into Bugzilla and search for bugs with the "mozilla1.0"-keyword and blocker severity (I could provide a link, but b.m.o will definitely have better things do do than serve the/.-crowd with requests, if you're really interested, just enter the query yourself, it's not that hard).
Wow! I defintely think this is basically a good thing, but I got two objections (or rather questions, or ideas that got something to do with it, or... whatever):
How do they stay in buisness? Re-licensing it for money? Support? If so: Good luck, you'll need it!
I hope this won't prevent the tarkin-folks from trying to come up with their own new-and-improved codec.
Not specific to the screenshot, but the print dialog is EXACTLY THE SAME AS WINDOWS'.
Surprise, they do the same thing, besides this Print dialog has some functions that the windows one doesn't (like hiding the lower half, filtering printers and doing HTML-Settings ('though I don't know what to find there)). Btw, which windows printing dialog do you mean? I know that there is a default, but I just tried 3 programs: Mozilla 0.9.9, Notepad and Word 2000. And each of them had a different printing dialog)
The taskbar system is EXACTLY THE SAME AS WINDOWS'.
Just 'cause the one who did the screenshot likes it that way. The default looks different and you get much more functionality.
Even the HELP SYSTEM is EXACTLY THE SAME AS WINDOWS'.
You mean "exactly the same" as in "using HTML to store & display linked documents"? Wow, quite invoative from Microsoft. Beside, again windows is not consistent (Word doesn't use the default-windows help system), whereas KDE is.
The background *is* the default Mac OS X background.
Granted, but this is definitely not the default in any distribution
You're going to tell me that the round, bubbly blue title bars (whose construction are directly lifted from Windows'), were not directly inspired by the latest OS's from Apple and Microsoft?
Yes, I am. Creative use of the SHAPE-Extension for windows decorations have been around much longer than OS X and Windows XP. Take a look at Blue Steel, and theme that came default with Enlighenment 0.16 (which according to Freshmeat came out October 1999, long before anyone thought about Windows 2000). It has a shaped (i.e. not strictly rectangular) title bar.
When is Linux going to stop aiming to be JUST LIKE WINDOWS! and do something "innovative" in the GUI area?
As soon as you do some work in this direction. This is Open Source after all.
Oh, that's right. THEY WON'T, simply because all those open source programmers are PROGRAMMERS and know nothing about UI design!
I doub that the one who did Keramik is a programmer. Even if he is, he is also a great artist.
There's a REASON you won't find any UI features in KDE that haven't already appeared in Windows or Mac OS. Microsoft and Apple pay people who deserve the money BIG BUCKS to design UI's and perform focus groups.
You do now that both Microsoft and Apple also have programms that perform very poorly in usability tests? Take a look at the Interface Hall of Shame. There are quite some MS-products in there (and even Apples Quicktime). Sometimes they even make a bad UI for political reasons, which you most probably won't find in open source projects.
Hm... so much work for a Troll, but I think it's worth it.
'Though I usually agree, I don't see how Keramik is in any way a rip-off of WinXP and Aqua? Quite contrary, it is finally a creative, non-ripped-off, good-looking, clean and useable theme. (We've already had lots of themes, that had most of these attributes, but IMHO none every had _each_ of these).
I found it funny that you can watch the mirrors work. I found an directory (http://download.uk.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/kde-3.0rc3/SuSE/7.1-i386+kde/) that was half-full (4 packages), which I found somewhat interesting. I reloaded and it had 5 packages. You could just watch the packages grow... (and not slow as well, it seems the mirrors have some massive bandwidth to the central site).
Wow, a non-trolling first post... I thought of doing such a thing myself;-)
I basically agree, but:
There might be newbies who actually had those thoughts in the back of their head, but need to see it black on white to really realize this. For them this is a good rant. They will probably join another MMORPG.
Those newbies who are quite serious about starting such a huge project will do it, wether they read this rant or not. They will learn it the hard way (which I don't think is all to bad, as long as the hard way doesn't include any lethal or damaging situations.)
Most rants primarily help the ranter. I'm sure the author feels better now, that he brought his thoughs to paper (well...).
Wowow! Big mistake here! The stuff that has to be retained is not the license, but the copyright notice! Thats a whole lot different. The only thing the BSD license really forbids is claiming that you have written something that you haven't.
The old adage is that an Open Source program gets written when a programmer has an "itch" they decide to scratch. The problem is that very few people are itched by configuration. You may write the best web server in the world (Apache!) but by time it comes to writing the configuration manager for it the volunteers start falling away.
I just want to add my personal reason for never having written any configuration-frontends. (Which I assume is not only true for me, but many others as well). The way it goes for me is usually the following:
I find a new cool software.
I have no idea how I have to configure it correctly
I search the web for configuration front-ends and find none
I decide to do it the hard way (as there seems to be no other) and configure it by hand
While doing so, I find out that it's not that hard and I decide that I'll write a frontend for the configuration, as soon as I really know the configuration format.
When I finally reach the point where I got enough knowledge to be able to write such a frontend I no longer need it, 'cause a.) I allready configured my system and b.) I'm faster doing it by hand. Ergo: No more itch to scratch.
So this is the sad story of at least 10 configuration frontends that never even began to exist.
Can't be to new (well, my id is not exactly low, but far from "new"), I'm not talking about mere "Fair", "-", "Unfair"... thats boring. I'm talking about a full-fledged copy of the default moderation system (so when you see a good post moderated as Troll, you can moderate this moderation as Troll)... but, it might as well be, that this could possibly (in some cases) distract somewhat from the content itself.
A JIT does not interpret Java. Ever. Under any circumstances.
I've never said anything else...
It is damned cool technology, and most people that claim Java is slow haven't played around with it in a long time. Java 1.4 is ripping fast.
Indeed, it is cool technology. But those people who claim that Java is slow haven't played around with it for a long time or have used GUIs made with Java. Granted: Up to date PCs are fast enough for running most Java GUIs, but that's a shame. They should not be "fast enough for most GUIs", they should be "overkill for all GUIs". (And, yes, I do "play around" with Java all the time at work; both on the server and at the client).
.NET has beend designed more for speed, than for platform independence (but it should, at least in theory, be platform independent nevertheless.).NET is ment to be Compiled to native code, instead of beeing intepreted (like a JIT with Java does, although current HotSpot technology is a bit more complex than this), but it is not compiled every time it is run, but during install-time. So you should get almost no loss in startup-speed and execution speed.
Disclaimer: my position on.NET is similar to Miguels. I don't like what MS is doing, but like the.NET framework from a technical point of view.
I've read a bit of the discussion following the suggestion. And what I really like is that the discussion was not a holy-license-war kind of flame, but rather a "techincal" discussion of wether LGPL would allow different enhancments to wine to be done (like the CD-Protection-support of WineX).
LGPL stands for Lesser General Public License. Basically it's the same as the GPL, but it allows you to link non-GPL-compatible software to it. So you can use LPGL software in closed-source software, but when you extend the LGPL-licensed software you have to give the source away along with the binary (just like with GPL).
I have to addmit, that I'm not familiar with FreeBSDs softupdates. But from what little I've heard of it, it seems to me like meta-data journaling with checkpoints of some kind...
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Oh! You've come to /. for usefull comments/posts? My bad, sorry to disappoint you ...
On a more serious note: the Article is giving the impression that IRC is bad, 'cause it is a pool of crime and nothing more. It tries to give the impression that IRC is not used for constructive things (see irc.openprojects.net) or just plain fun (see any other IRC network). Of course I don't think that CNN or any big company will report anything else about this "anti-big-company"-medium, but I think this article is at least as useless as you think my comment is. Thanks for listening.
Thanks for this nice quote. Ditto.
What I meant is "Pretty usefull and widely used communication facility (Phone system)" <-> "Pretty usefull and widely used communication facility (IRC)".
Even worse, he's doing his job for AOL. Do you really think that the main goal of CNN is to inform the people?
Criminals that want to organize any criminal actions are known to use the telephone system to communicate!
It seems to be, that it will be when it's ready and not an minute earlier. I think the mozilla guys take this release quite serious, 'cause they have to live with the API of this release for a pretty long time. In case you didn't realize: Mozilla 1.0 is targeted primarily on developers/embedders, although I'm pretty sure many end-users (especially from the /.-crowd) will use it, nonetheless.
If you want to get some kind of countdown you could try to look into Bugzilla and search for bugs with the "mozilla1.0"-keyword and blocker severity (I could provide a link, but b.m.o will definitely have better things do do than serve the /.-crowd with requests, if you're really interested, just enter the query yourself, it's not that hard).
Additionally it is the Website where you're supposed to use real HTML in your comments.
(Yeah, I saw you already noticed it, but there are thing you have to do (but then you should do them without the +1 bonus)).
Wow! I defintely think this is basically a good thing, but I got two objections (or rather questions, or ideas that got something to do with it, or ... whatever):
Surprise, they do the same thing, besides this Print dialog has some functions that the windows one doesn't (like hiding the lower half, filtering printers and doing HTML-Settings ('though I don't know what to find there)). Btw, which windows printing dialog do you mean? I know that there is a default, but I just tried 3 programs: Mozilla 0.9.9, Notepad and Word 2000. And each of them had a different printing dialog)
Just 'cause the one who did the screenshot likes it that way. The default looks different and you get much more functionality.
You mean "exactly the same" as in "using HTML to store & display linked documents"? Wow, quite invoative from Microsoft. Beside, again windows is not consistent (Word doesn't use the default-windows help system), whereas KDE is.
Granted, but this is definitely not the default in any distribution
Yes, I am. Creative use of the SHAPE-Extension for windows decorations have been around much longer than OS X and Windows XP. Take a look at Blue Steel, and theme that came default with Enlighenment 0.16 (which according to Freshmeat came out October 1999, long before anyone thought about Windows 2000). It has a shaped (i.e. not strictly rectangular) title bar.
As soon as you do some work in this direction. This is Open Source after all.
I doub that the one who did Keramik is a programmer. Even if he is, he is also a great artist.
You do now that both Microsoft and Apple also have programms that perform very poorly in usability tests? Take a look at the Interface Hall of Shame. There are quite some MS-products in there (and even Apples Quicktime). Sometimes they even make a bad UI for political reasons, which you most probably won't find in open source projects.
Hm ... so much work for a Troll, but I think it's worth it.
'Though I usually agree, I don't see how Keramik is in any way a rip-off of WinXP and Aqua? Quite contrary, it is finally a creative, non-ripped-off, good-looking, clean and useable theme. (We've already had lots of themes, that had most of these attributes, but IMHO none every had _each_ of these).
I found it funny that you can watch the mirrors work. I found an directory (http://download.uk.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/kde-3 .0rc3/SuSE/7.1-i386+kde/) that was half-full (4 packages), which I found somewhat interesting. I reloaded and it had 5 packages. You could just watch the packages grow ... (and not slow as well, it seems the mirrors have some massive bandwidth to the central site).
Wasn't that the way Emacs was made?
Do you thing this is A Good Thing (tm)? (This is not ment as a flame, but food for thought, but on second thought, maybe it is a flame.)
Disclaimer: I'm not from the US of A, but from Europe and I really like finding a different culture every 100 kilometers (or miles).
Wouldn't the most buzzword compliant name be ForceXP at the moment?
Wow, a non-trolling first post ... I thought of doing such a thing myself ;-)
I basically agree, but:
Wowow! Big mistake here! The stuff that has to be retained is not the license, but the copyright notice! Thats a whole lot different. The only thing the BSD license really forbids is claiming that you have written something that you haven't.
I just want to add my personal reason for never having written any configuration-frontends. (Which I assume is not only true for me, but many others as well). The way it goes for me is usually the following:
So this is the sad story of at least 10 configuration frontends that never even began to exist.
Can't be to new (well, my id is not exactly low, but far from "new"), I'm not talking about mere "Fair", "-", "Unfair" ... thats boring. I'm talking about a full-fledged copy of the default moderation system (so when you see a good post moderated as Troll, you can moderate this moderation as Troll) ... but, it might as well be, that this could possibly (in some cases) distract somewhat from the content itself.
And again I very much ask for a "Moderate Modration" features on /.. Moderating the parent "-1, Redundant" is "+1, Funny".
Oh no! By declaring Google an "Internet-Success-Story" you doomed them! They gonna go bankrupt in 3 month or less!
I've never said anything else ...
Indeed, it is cool technology. But those people who claim that Java is slow haven't played around with it for a long time or have used GUIs made with Java. Granted: Up to date PCs are fast enough for running most Java GUIs, but that's a shame. They should not be "fast enough for most GUIs", they should be "overkill for all GUIs". (And, yes, I do "play around" with Java all the time at work; both on the server and at the client).
.NET has beend designed more for speed, than for platform independence (but it should, at least in theory, be platform independent nevertheless.) .NET is ment to be Compiled to native code, instead of beeing intepreted (like a JIT with Java does, although current HotSpot technology is a bit more complex than this), but it is not compiled every time it is run, but during install-time. So you should get almost no loss in startup-speed and execution speed.
.NET is similar to Miguels. I don't like what MS is doing, but like the .NET framework from a technical point of view.
Disclaimer: my position on
I've read a bit of the discussion following the suggestion. And what I really like is that the discussion was not a holy-license-war kind of flame, but rather a "techincal" discussion of wether LGPL would allow different enhancments to wine to be done (like the CD-Protection-support of WineX).
LGPL stands for Lesser General Public License. Basically it's the same as the GPL, but it allows you to link non-GPL-compatible software to it. So you can use LPGL software in closed-source software, but when you extend the LGPL-licensed software you have to give the source away along with the binary (just like with GPL).
Further information can be found on the GNU homepage.
I have to addmit, that I'm not familiar with FreeBSDs softupdates. But from what little I've heard of it, it seems to me like meta-data journaling with checkpoints of some kind ...
How many times have I thought exactly the same before? And never have there been any consequences whatsoever for Microsoft ...