KDE is not Linux. It is a desktop that runs on Linux, Solaris, FreeBSD, IRIX, etc. Nothing Linux specific about it.
... apart from the fact that most developers and most users run it on Linux (No, I don't have any URLs to prove that, but I'd be very, very surprised if anyone could prove me wrong).
So where is the gain in 3d? As an alternative way of navigating workspaces it's merely 'cool'
I agree with you, but: Who of you wouldn use it (at least sometimes), just because of this beeing 'cool'? Well, maybe not every day, but a little eye-candy and some nice, useless 'cool'-ness is fine, every now and then.
Re:Remembering DOS
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I agree with what you most of what you say, but....
So long DOS, you were Window$ last hope!
Don't confuse DOS with the command line. DOS itself was a horrible cludge. The command line (contained in command.com) was not much better, but much better for some tasks than the Windows GUI. Windows NT & 2000 left DOS out long before XP and they both still had a Command Line (not as useful as a bash, but better than nothing).
Re:It does [was:so...]
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Hm... so all that's missing is a Server... and an vim-script;-)
I've really been thinking about building an HTCPCP-server, but I haven't had the spare time to do it. Has anyone done so allready?
Hm... to be able sponsore a desktop environment based on Java, there would have to be such a beast in the first place. I've never seen such a thing (which doesn't mean, that it doesn't exist), and I think it wouldn't be any good.
Don't get me wrong: I love java (i code almost exclusively in Java), but GUI-Performance is still pretty bad (although its getting better in 1.4) and is especially bad on Linux (which IMHO would be one of the premium platforms for an OSS-Java-Desktop-Envirnoment), so I don't think that this would do any good to Java or the Comunity.
I think you have a valid point (as well as fossa, who mentioned that the NSA is no homogenous organization), but what I'd really like to see, is someone (no, make that many people), who knows something about the kernel _and_ security/crypto-theory to wade through the patches and make sure, that there are no backdoors. Of course you it's not an easy task to do, but I think this time it is neccessary... and if this person/these people then publish there findings (of course signed with GPG, with a well-known, many-signed key) we might be able to use this code for real.
Applets didn't die... they just went to a small niche, that is specific applications in an Intranet... There you don't have to worry wether your customers want to download a 5-8MB java-plugin. The only Applets you see nowadays are cheap Flash-Replacements (most of these little Menus and Animations would be better done with Flash, and that wouldn't have given Java Applets such a bad image).
The biggest problem with Applets was, that the browsers just supported 1.1 (at most), and that it was faulty. Noone liked to download the big Plugins, so noone wrote Applets that used the new API, so noone downloaded the plugins,...
The fact that MS provides no Java-VM in IE6 might be both good and bad for Java on the client. Bad for obvious reasons, good, because then you have to download the plugin, should you ever want to use Java. Doing this, you get a modern version of Java, and that is A Good Thing (tm).
2) Web users don't grok it. Let's face it, most Web users think AOL is the Web. They don't know about.gov or.org, they don't even know.mil exists, and if you throw a.ru or a.uk at them, they can't cope.
Maybe american Web users don't grok it (Ok, that's still a large part, but still). Almost everyone else knows that there is a.net outside the.com. Anyone living in a non-US-state knows his TLD (.at for my little country). (Besides any IT-related person knows at least.net and very likely.org).
In Austria (and some other countries) all the Academys (sp?) and Schools are in.ac.at (ok, that's not a TLD, but they do it that way consiquently).
In the UK you find tons of ".co.uk", thats their way to say "this is a company! but its a _british_ company!"
in Asia they even use something like.com.tw (well, thats stretching it, but hey...)
so the only ones who don't seem to use.<anything-but-com> are american companies.
Re:Speaking of KDE...
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You've just reproduced almost exactly my way from KDE->Gnome+E->Gnome+sawfish/sawmill->KDE...
almost, 'cause I'm again back to Gnome... why? Simple as that: I'm too used to the power of sawfish and sawfish doesn't work with kde... I didn't find a way to keep my gkrellm from interfering with my alt-tab-task-switching...
Now I use konqueror for browsing and every now and then for simple "let's-view-this-file-in-a-nice-gui" "file-managing" (well, I think thats more in the line of file-viewing)
If KDE manages to work with sawfish (or the other way round) they will have me locked to them for quite a time...
J2EE is not the entire point of Java... you can do some pretty nifty stuff in J2SE, which I'm doing at the moment.
well, but if Java is replacing Visual Basic, this can only be A Good Thing (tm).
You can't write Java Programs without learning Java (at least not as long, as you can write VB-Programms without writing Programming).
Well, I think I have to clarify this... with some pretty hard work and a high pain-treshold, you can, somehow, write _Programs_ in VB... but most VB-User, don't know how to do this (at least the ones I know).
I assume it's primary use are applications, and applications in every OS that somehow deserve this name don't have to do any I/O themselves. They just call open(), read(), write(),... and the OS does the real I/O. So the only thing that would come near your idea, would be translating different calling mechanisms for OS-calls, which should be rather straightforward.
I think running a whole OS on this technology would be crazy... maybe it's crazy enough that someone would try... wait, Transmeta allready did that:-)
It's just the WindowManager of GNUStep, exactly like kwm ist the WM of KDE1 and kwin is the WM of KDE2 (or maybe more like sawfish is the WM for Gnome, 'cause thats not all that official).
AFAIK GNUStep can be run without using WindowMaker and I'm deffinitley sure, that WindowMaker can be run without GNUStep (which makes it an excelent choice for low-resource-environments, which need X and where the users don't want to use something like fvwm or twm.)
Indeed WindowMaker is probably the most exposed part of GNUStep (at least it is the only reason I ever looked at GNUStep).
Next barrier in sight!
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"Chips are getting smaller and more powerful every year, but ultimately, and probably in the next few years, there will come a point where the complexity of the contacts and the wire doesn't scale, but stays the same"
Hey! Come on! They say this kind of stuff every time! Ok, they have to come up with something new to acchive that "next, impossible" result. But they always do! It's getting boring, like in all those TV-Show, where you know that the hero is going to survive
On the other hand I'm happy that they allways find a way to work it out;-)
Well, but there is x0rfbserver (wow, what a name) and it can be found at http://www.hexonet.de/software.en/
It doesn exactly what he is looking for. Btw, you could also run a Xvnc for the student and a X-Server with a vnc-viewer connectiong to this (local) Xvnc. Then when the teacher wants to show something he connects to the same Xvnc.
It is not described! Nowhere on this page is the algorithm actually described! There are only examples of "clear text" and "crypted text" given. You can get that with any other encryption algorithm that may not be reverse-engineered.
What is it with people on Slashdot lately? Did anyone READ the article, or did you all just denounce it as "evil" before you lost patience waiting for the (now slashdot'd) server to go down? Seriously!
Funny... even though noone seems to read the articles, they get slashdoted.... how comes?
You're right, there is the new Enlightenment Canvas (I think it's called Evas or something) and it's said to be quite fast (haven't tried it, but I do believe it) and it runs on X... BUT... it uses OpenGL, (via GLX I suspect) so it's not using the X-Windowing System to draw things! And thats the way it achieves the speed! So X is indeed the Problem!
Btw, there is the XAA (X Acceleration Architecture) and it is supported by pretty much every X-Server in XFree86. If you want to see how slow it gets when you really do everything in the CPU try using 'Option "NoAccel" "true"' in your Device-section of/etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (at least thats the option for the nv-driver). Then it's getting but-slow!
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I didn't mean that most ppl using Linux use KDE, but that most ppl who use KDE run it on Linux (as opposed to *BSD/Solaris/...)
... apart from the fact that most developers and most users run it on Linux (No, I don't have any URLs to prove that, but I'd be very, very surprised if anyone could prove me wrong).
Well, 'though I don't agree with what you said, I like the "GNU/RMS". Additionally, wouldn't that have to be "GNU/GNU"?
I agree with you, but: Who of you wouldn use it (at least sometimes), just because of this beeing 'cool'? Well, maybe not every day, but a little eye-candy and some nice, useless 'cool'-ness is fine, every now and then.
I agree with what you most of what you say, but ....
Don't confuse DOS with the command line. DOS itself was a horrible cludge. The command line (contained in command.com) was not much better, but much better for some tasks than the Windows GUI. Windows NT & 2000 left DOS out long before XP and they both still had a Command Line (not as useful as a bash, but better than nothing).
Hm ... so all that's missing is a Server ... and an vim-script ;-)
I've really been thinking about building an HTCPCP-server, but I haven't had the spare time to do it. Has anyone done so allready?
Where cocoa is basically a Next-Generation NeXT-API AFAIK.
Hm ... to be able sponsore a desktop environment based on Java, there would have to be such a beast in the first place. I've never seen such a thing (which doesn't mean, that it doesn't exist), and I think it wouldn't be any good.
Don't get me wrong: I love java (i code almost exclusively in Java), but GUI-Performance is still pretty bad (although its getting better in 1.4) and is especially bad on Linux (which IMHO would be one of the premium platforms for an OSS-Java-Desktop-Envirnoment), so I don't think that this would do any good to Java or the Comunity.
I think you have a valid point (as well as fossa, who mentioned that the NSA is no homogenous organization), but what I'd really like to see, is someone (no, make that many people), who knows something about the kernel _and_ security/crypto-theory to wade through the patches and make sure, that there are no backdoors. Of course you it's not an easy task to do, but I think this time it is neccessary ... and if this person/these people then publish there findings (of course signed with GPG, with a well-known, many-signed key) we might be able to use this code for real.
Applets didn't die ... they just went to a small niche, that is specific applications in an Intranet ... There you don't have to worry wether your customers want to download a 5-8MB java-plugin. The only Applets you see nowadays are cheap Flash-Replacements (most of these little Menus and Animations would be better done with Flash, and that wouldn't have given Java Applets such a bad image).
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The biggest problem with Applets was, that the browsers just supported 1.1 (at most), and that it was faulty. Noone liked to download the big Plugins, so noone wrote Applets that used the new API, so noone downloaded the plugins,
The fact that MS provides no Java-VM in IE6 might be both good and bad for Java on the client. Bad for obvious reasons, good, because then you have to download the plugin, should you ever want to use Java. Doing this, you get a modern version of Java, and that is A Good Thing (tm).
2) Web users don't grok it. Let's face it, most Web users think AOL is the Web. They don't know about .gov or .org, they don't even know .mil exists, and if you throw a .ru or a .uk at them, they can't cope.
.net outside the .com. Anyone living in a non-US-state knows his TLD (.at for my little country). (Besides any IT-related person knows at least .net and very likely .org).
.ac.at (ok, that's not a TLD, but they do it that way consiquently).
.com.tw (well, thats stretching it, but hey ...)
.<anything-but-com> are american companies.
Maybe american Web users don't grok it (Ok, that's still a large part, but still). Almost everyone else knows that there is a
In Austria (and some other countries) all the Academys (sp?) and Schools are in
In the UK you find tons of ".co.uk", thats their way to say "this is a company! but its a _british_ company!"
in Asia they even use something like
so the only ones who don't seem to use
You've just reproduced almost exactly my way from KDE->Gnome+E->Gnome+sawfish/sawmill->KDE ...
... why? Simple as that: I'm too used to the power of sawfish and sawfish doesn't work with kde... I didn't find a way to keep my gkrellm from interfering with my alt-tab-task-switching ...
...
almost, 'cause I'm again back to Gnome
Now I use konqueror for browsing and every now and then for simple "let's-view-this-file-in-a-nice-gui" "file-managing" (well, I think thats more in the line of file-viewing)
If KDE manages to work with sawfish (or the other way round) they will have me locked to them for quite a time
J2EE is not the entire point of Java ... you can do some pretty nifty stuff in J2SE, which I'm doing at the moment.
... with some pretty hard work and a high pain-treshold, you can, somehow, write _Programs_ in VB ... but most VB-User, don't know how to do this (at least the ones I know).
well, but if Java is replacing Visual Basic, this can only be A Good Thing (tm).
You can't write Java Programs without learning Java (at least not as long, as you can write VB-Programms without writing Programming).
Well, I think I have to clarify this
I assume it's primary use are applications, and applications in every OS that somehow deserve this name don't have to do any I/O themselves. They just call open(), read(), write(), ... and the OS does the real I/O. So the only thing that would come near your idea, would be translating different calling mechanisms for OS-calls, which should be rather straightforward.
... maybe it's crazy enough that someone would try ... wait, Transmeta allready did that :-)
I think running a whole OS on this technology would be crazy
It's just the WindowManager of GNUStep, exactly like kwm ist the WM of KDE1 and kwin is the WM of KDE2 (or maybe more like sawfish is the WM for Gnome, 'cause thats not all that official).
AFAIK GNUStep can be run without using WindowMaker and I'm deffinitley sure, that WindowMaker can be run without GNUStep (which makes it an excelent choice for low-resource-environments, which need X and where the users don't want to use something like fvwm or twm.)
Indeed WindowMaker is probably the most exposed part of GNUStep (at least it is the only reason I ever looked at GNUStep).
Anyone knows what kind of hardware they use?
I don't think it's an x86 or anything like this. I heard that many satelites use low-tech, 'cause it is more stable.
Anyone got information?
Well ... an how about the rest of the world? Sometimes I really hate all those america-centric ppl.
http://www.surrey.ac.uk/ (notice the .uk?)
Hey! Come on! They say this kind of stuff every time! Ok, they have to come up with something new to acchive that "next, impossible" result. But they always do! It's getting boring, like in all those TV-Show, where you know that the hero is going to survive
On the other hand I'm happy that they allways find a way to work it out ;-)
Sorry ... i don't seem to find it ... can you point it out to me? (But don't quote! That would be telling!)
Well, but there is x0rfbserver (wow, what a name) and it can be found at http://www.hexonet.de/software.en/
It doesn exactly what he is looking for. Btw, you could also run a Xvnc for the student and a X-Server with a vnc-viewer connectiong to this (local) Xvnc. Then when the teacher wants to show something he connects to the same Xvnc.
Wow, two solutions!
It is not described! Nowhere on this page is the algorithm actually described! There are only examples of "clear text" and "crypted text" given. You can get that with any other encryption algorithm that may not be reverse-engineered.
Isn't that what .com is for?
Funny ... even though noone seems to read the articles, they get slashdoted.... how comes?
Use Jikes (thats http://www.research.ibm.com/jikes/ for ... well, you know)! It's fast as hell!
You're right, there is the new Enlightenment Canvas (I think it's called Evas or something) and it's said to be quite fast (haven't tried it, but I do believe it) and it runs on X ... BUT ... it uses OpenGL, (via GLX I suspect) so it's not using the X-Windowing System to draw things! And thats the way it achieves the speed! So X is indeed the Problem!
/etc/X11/XF86Config-4 (at least thats the option for the nv-driver). Then it's getting but-slow!
Btw, there is the XAA (X Acceleration Architecture) and it is supported by pretty much every X-Server in XFree86. If you want to see how slow it gets when you really do everything in the CPU try using 'Option "NoAccel" "true"' in your Device-section of