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GNOME 1.4 Beta 2 is Out
Maciej Stachowiak writes: "The GNOME 1.4 Release Team is proud to announce GNOME 1.4 Beta 2 "Hit Me Baby, One More Time". This is only a beta and there may be problems with compiling and running. However, if you are adventurous and would like to help with testing, get it from your favorite GNOME mirror site in /pub/gnome/stable/betas/gnome-1.4beta2. We would also like to announce the GNOME Fifth Toe 1.4 Beta 2 release, a collection of additional packages that are not part of the core desktop but designed to work well with GNOME. This should also be available on gnome mirrors in /pub/gnome/stable/betas/gnome-fifth-toe-1.4beta2. Bug reports for most packages should go in one of the following, depending on the module: GNOME Bugzilla, Eazel Bugzilla or Ximian Bugzilla."
Whats the next one going to be..."Shake your bonbon" or "Gee, I'm a gnome so maybe I can toss E's salad..."
The Voices cannot decide on whose base belongs to whom.
Yes I realize I could install from source manually, but I would more likely break something than end up with a useable system. It might not just be the 2.4 kernel, but while the installer works fine on redhat 7.0, it fails (after downloading 100+MB) with a core dump on fisher.
I love going down to the elementary school, watching all the kids jump and shout, but they dont know I'm using blanks.
Exactly what I was about to respond with.. This seems like a MS Marketing ploy to me.
And what the hell is slashdot doing posting a Beta release as news?!
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does anyone know - ballpark figure, how many megabytes of crap i would have to download to upgrade my current GNOME (gnome-config tells me i have gnome-libs 1.0.54, shipped with Mandrake 7.0) to this new one?
I gots ta ding a ding dang my dang a long ling long
I must first say that while I'm impressed with the look, feel, and features of Nautilus, it's very slow. Should such slow or bloated software really be a part of gnome? I almost feel like I'm being forced to use old gnome versions along with Window Maker to keep reasonable speeds. However, please don't take my statement as negative but more as constructive criticism. Can we expect to see speed improvements in GTK and Nautlius down the road?
Damn, this PII is getting slow. Is GNOME getting slower by the day, or does Intel build timers into its chips that halves the clock-rate very year?
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
that you do an updatedb, because it won't work without it first. some programs also refuse to work with 1.4 due to a bug in the versioning.
if the installer cores on you, try the following:
/var/cache/red-carpet/packages
cd to
then issue "rpm -Uvh *"
works for me on RH7.0 (even on fisher).
i believe the installer dumps right before or during the final call to rpm. not sure why it works from the command line and not from within red-carpet.
230- ftp.cybertrails.com
230-Due to limited disk space at the moment,
230-we have had to discontinue our gnome.org
230-mirror for a month or so.
can't find epoch.res.cmu.edu: Non-existent host/domain
gnomeftp.blue-labs.org doesn't have beta up yet...
Well, i think you get the picture, lots of broken mirrors.
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whats new?
itd be nice if when 'new software releaces' are posted on slashdot if we could get a changelog / whats now url.. so we can look at it and go "oooo i cant wait to have that!"
stuff
Article today "Mandrake 8.0 beta is out", it's just a slow day. They announce the beta KDEs as well.
Talk to Eazel about it, I just copied the text from my terminal. In fact, I dare you to file a bug report on it: http://bugzilla.eazel.com
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream.
I always thought KDE looked neater and more 'professional' than GNOME. But with the recent screenshots of both it appears to me that GNOME has taken the edge. ;>
GOD I lOVE competitive cooperation! This just means on the next release KDE will look better. then GNOME, then KDE.
How do they run comparatively? I ask out of ignorance since I haven't used either in almost 8 months now. I hear a lot of people moaning about Nautilus. Can anyone give me unbiased (if there is such a thing.) information backed up with numbers and examples?
In any event. To everyone involved in both KDE and GNOME: Keep up the good work!! your hard work is paying off.
That's not a beta, that's pre-alpha.
Unless we're talking about difficulty compiling on different platforms, there's no way that this is up to beta quality if there are difficulties compiling the desktop.
IMO, if a build process is difficult or buggy, especially if it is an open source product that most people are expected to compile, then it reflects very badly on the quality of the code. Difficult build usually means crappy code. I can't remember ever being proven wrong on this point in my experience.
If there are difficulties in compiling, then this shouldn't even go out the door. It should be a snapshot and that's it. I have difficulty enough with the kernel people not being disturbed when a development kernel fails to compile, I guess it's difficult to check the dependencies of every single kernel module and driver. But IMO, there is NO EXCUSE for difficulty compiling a desktop. It just points to extremely lax engineering at the core of the project.
Gtk and Qt are just about indestinguishable on my system. I run Konqueror a lot on my Gnome system and apps like Evolution and Konq perform about the same. My system isnt exactly supercharged either. I think that there is definitely room for improvement in terms of speed in both environments, but come on, it really isnt that bad.
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Of course it wasn't mentioned here, because the evil slashdot.org clone site www.slashdot.com mentioned it.
IMO, if a build process is difficult or buggy, especially if it is an open source product that most people are expected to compile, then it reflects very badly on the quality of the code.
GNOME is designed for POSIX conforming systems with an X11 server. However, some systems that claim to conform don't in practice (such as AIX and Pains).
But IMO, there is NO EXCUSE for difficulty compiling a desktop.
Unless you're trying to compile it on a "weird" platform or a platform whose unit price is out of the typical consumer PC price range (that is, anything that's not built around a single PowerPC or x86).
All your hallucinogen are belong to us.
Will I retire or break 10K?
Nice to see the gnome team respond with a quick 2nd beta. What I'm about to say isn't flamebait, just my opinion.
That first beta trashed my system. Installed nautilus, which kinda took over everything that gmc did, but with about 1/2 the useable functionality. And not to mention that the mozilla intergration didn't work(yeah, I had all the correct packages). And it was just a slow expierience over all. Saw the promise in what 1.4 and 2.0 could be. But as of now, it's not nearly there.
Decided to see what all the fuss over KDE 2.1 was about. A simple "apt-get install task-kde" had it installed in a few moments. What a differnece in night and day this was when I first started it up.
First off, I noticed the AA Fonts. And then just the overall speedup compared to even the stable 1.2 gnome. I did think what most people think of kde though, it just being an improved Windows interface. A simple change in a theme made it nothing that looked like it's former self.
Then I checked out Konqurer. I didn't expect much. However, after using it for a couple days, I don't see how ANYONE can not use this. In useablitly, speed, and stability, it's between IE4 and IE5. Not to mention features such as killing popup windows, that IE will never have. And not to mention speed. I clicked the desktop icon, and it displayed the start page. Pages loaded and rendered faster then any mozilla optimized build that I've compiled myself.
But what I don't think most people understand that you don't have to totally pick one over the other. I do like evolution, and I still use it for my e-mail. I still use gaim, and a bunch of other "gnome" programs. If I would have got around to actually trying konqurer, I would have ran it in gnome. Using kde or gnome, doesn't tie you to their aps.
So while you all are trying out this new Gnome 1.4 beta, type an apt-get install task-kde and give the new kde a whirl. I ran gnome since pre 1.0 days, and it made a convert out of me. And if you don't like it, there is always apt-get remove task-kde
Do many of the things that Eazel does (zooming, playing MP3's in file manager, etc) slow Nautilus down? Certainly. But OS X/Aqua does many of the same things Nautilus does and does it also using unix kernel (albeit BSD) and does it with far more transparent graphics and the whole time doing all of this in a vector based PDF graphics systems. Quartz/Aqua has to have way, way more overhead than Nautilus and X running with the most gaudiest, bloated Gtk theme.
And yet OSX is still doing it faster.
I know comparing two different kernels on two different graphics systems on (typically) two different architectures is like mixing apples and oranges (pun intended). But such a great disparity between the two environments that favors the one that has to do more work strikes me as odd. I may be wrong, but I'm almost positive that this is a problem with X. We really, really need something better than X and we need it now.
Will GNOME become Britney? Good looking, friendly for young girls, and empty inside? :)
PS. it's not flame, I use GNOME
Isn't Gnome still a virgin?
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It was probably posted so a greater number of people can find it and test it out as it makes its way through the beta stages. Either that or it was a slow day for Slashdot. =)
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So Linus, what are we doing tonight?
So Linus, what are we going to do tonight?
The same thing we do every night Tux. Try to take over the world!
It's kinda funny that the Linux nazis (and now they are even Lintel nazis) have come full circle from M$FT and decided that their O/S is the best, and nothing else even exists.
What's the point, anyway? Ximian has plenty of PAID and EXPERT packagers to deal with these problems with us.
Just a little tip.
=)
Of course if you run Slink like me, you lose big.
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