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  1. Re:It's all Greek to me. on Official Kanji Count Increasing Due To Electronics · · Score: 1

    If read the summary, just before where they send you to slashdot.jp, it says "if you read Japanese." You are not meant to be sent there if you don't read Japanese.

  2. Re:GPS on Guess My Speed and Give Me a Ticket, In Ohio · · Score: 1

    The important part you didn't quite get is that when they say anything you say can be used against you in a court of law they don't say anything you say can be used to defend yourself. If you say it to the cop and the cop uses it against you it is evidence, but if you say it and try to use it as defense it is hearsay and inadmissible.

  3. Re:Next up on Thumbprints Used To Check Books Out of School Library · · Score: 1

    what the hell does capacitance have to do with liveness detection. Nothing I have ever heard of at least in biometrics. If you are talking about capacitors that store electrons and build up charge in dc and shift voltage waves I really don't know how they relate. It is still not hard to tailor your test to systems you know will fail. I also know that there are many biometric systems that claim to be top of the line but are no better than the $5 fake camera you buy at radio shack to look like you are recording the lobby. But there are many more systems that do exactly what they say and can easily detect this kind of fake.

  4. Re:Next up on Thumbprints Used To Check Books Out of School Library · · Score: 1

    except humans have immune systems to prevent this kind of thing. But if they coddle their immune system by washing their hands every five minuets and never go outside thus having no need for the immune system then yes this might be a problem except for the they never leave their house bit. This is also a reason contactless biometrics such as iris scanners and the like are popular, not to mention their lower matching times and decreased processing requirements, but that adds another problem into the situation much more varied collection conditions. You could also just provide soap next to these scanners for anyone so inclined.

  5. Re:Next up on Thumbprints Used To Check Books Out of School Library · · Score: 1

    But what else do you expect out of bureaucrats? They have to have budgets to manage. But there are valid reasons to use biometric identification. At my college they have a hand geometry, very simple biometric measures lengths and widths of fingers, to the student recreation center so students who decide to enroll don't need to bring their id with them. And if it is a vanity project the argument about 'conditioning' students to accept this is really just a totally unrelated argument from people who won't accept this technology anyways.

  6. Re:All of this is missing one fundamental flaw.. on Thumbprints Used To Check Books Out of School Library · · Score: 1

    I don't know about the myth buster test but they are an entertainment show for the most part. When was this 'experiment' preformed and which systems specifically were used? What kind of livness detection did they have. There is a lot of effort to add more liveness detection into these systems especially as of late due to increasing dependence on these systems for increasingly higher security systems. You also have to compare to existing identification technology such as id cards which are extremely easy to fake.

  7. Re:Next up on Thumbprints Used To Check Books Out of School Library · · Score: 1

    on a simple system yes. But like I said if you are guarding something that people will be willing to sever a human finger for then up the security. Not all systems would be fooled by your method.

  8. Re:Next up on Thumbprints Used To Check Books Out of School Library · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Did we have these people when cards were first used. Oh you are just conditioning them to produce a card to check out a book. Where is the problem there? Biometrics if done right could be cheaper, quicker and more convenient. Students don't have to remember their cards, their fingerprint is always at hand and prevents students from using other students cards. Enrolling students into a biometric system is cheap, cheaper than providing a new card to every student every year. At least over the long run. For what ever reason this school decided it would work for them.

  9. Re:Next up on Thumbprints Used To Check Books Out of School Library · · Score: 1

    Well that does have to be taken into account so if that kind of student is prevalent more security would be required. On a side note your HS library sure had an interesting collection. You don't happen to write the spam letters do you, is that you Johnathan Land?

  10. Re:Next up on Thumbprints Used To Check Books Out of School Library · · Score: 1

    In general you want systems to be 'user friendly' so that it will be 'convenient' to use and users will want to use the system. It is indeed one of many factors considered when deciding on which biometric system to deploy. The list of concerns when shopping for a biometric system is ease of use, reliability, stability or how fast the metric changes, ease of enrollment and acceptance of the system.

  11. Re:All of this is missing one fundamental flaw.. on Thumbprints Used To Check Books Out of School Library · · Score: 1

    Except, at least in a quality system and since quality is expensive an expensive system, what you are relying on is not necessarily that no one can make a copy but that no one can make a good enough copy. There are plenty of measures in quality systems that check to make sure the fingerprint is from a real finger, from a charge across the finger when it scans expecting a certain resistance from a finger with perspiration which quickly absorbs back into the skin after death to 3d scans of the ridge pattern to the simplest and thus least reliable taking a temperature. It all depends on what you are protecting. High school library books are not likely to be in good enough shape for students to loan them on another students name and sell them. Or to barrow books on another students name to embarrass them or what ever motive students would have to fake their fingerprint. Fingerprints to begin with are only so good to begin with anyways. Iris scans are far more accurate, efficient and reliable. They have not caught on as much due to less experience with the systems, people are far more comfortable with fingerprints some people have actually asked me if there is a chance the system will burn their eyes, and need for more accuracy such as controlled lighting, position and some other factors that make iris collection slightly less convenient than fingerprints as far as collection but the situation is improving. It is also trivial to improve security by creating a multi modal system or a system that relies on multiple biometric modalities such as combining a fingerprint and iris system.

  12. Re:"No image of a thumbprint is ever stored" on Thumbprints Used To Check Books Out of School Library · · Score: 2

    actually images of fingerprints or any biometric for that matter are ever actually kept. Templates are almost always used, they are simpler to match and use less storage. Think of it as a one way hash, the image is collected and then the template is created. In the case of fingerprints minutia points are noted, details such as the delta point, which is on almost all fingerprints a delta or triangle shaped feature made up of many ridges usually on whirl type fingerprints. Other points of note are where there are divergences of the ridges or convergences called bifurcation points. Fingerprints used to be classified by their 1st degree features or features which could easily be seen by the naked eye, weather it was a left whirl, right whirl, or one of several other categories. Bifurcation points are 2nd degree features which can still be seen by the naked eye but are smaller and harder to see. Then there is a third level which is the location of the pores which requires magnification. Human recognition of fingerprints also involves the 2nd degree features. Computer matching is usually done entirely on the 2nd degree level because it is surprisingly hard to program a computer to match 1st degree features and rather pointless since it does not limit the search space much a feature which is very important when humans are sorting or matching anything. A good match would have all the minutia points listed on the template, however users don't always place their finger the 'exact' same way every time so some rotation and acceptance of missing points is to be expected. The rotation is easy to deal with, missing points as long as those points are not seen at all it can be acceptable as long as all the present points match and not too many are missing. If the scan is not good enough the user can be asked to scan again.

  13. Re:Next up on Thumbprints Used To Check Books Out of School Library · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You get what you pay for. This just in $5 fake cameras, you know the ones with a single AA battery that runs a little LED so that the criminal thinks the camera isn't a $5 fake hooked up to nothing, fail to catch criminals %100 of the time. From the way that was written it sounds like the author just doesn't like biometrics and chose the lowest quality systems he could find. I go to a college with a biometrics program and know several people working on what is called "liveness detection" or measures in the systems to prevent fake fingers that would easily foil the fakes that this guy made. The first and simplest, while not the most accurate but simplest never is, way would be to include a temperature sensor and reject and print present with non standard human body temperature accounting for fevers and cold fingers during winter. The next method commonly used would be to apply a charge across the finger, there is a specific range of resistance expected from a human body. Other methods include detecting for perspiration, more sensitive scanners that can see the 3d structure of the fingerprint and many others. Like I said you get what you pay for and that needs to be taken into account. That article you linked to mentioned that you could fool the system with $10 worth of household goods, well what use is that if there is no way you are going to steal $10 worth of books. Who really steals books from a high school library. Security is not about being %100 secure but making it harder and more expensive to break the security than either a) its worth or b) than it is to get the other guy.

  14. people not technology on Thumbprints Used To Check Books Out of School Library · · Score: 1

    People misuse technology not the other way around. As long as there are security measures in place and the data is not being used for anything they say it is not then there really should be no concern. You are just identifying these students and like they said schools keep a lot of personally identifying information on hand that could be abused. They also mentioned that the system is voluntary and as for the template thing, that is standard procedure when collecting fingerprints and almost all biometrics. Templates that can be matched against take a lot less storage space and are easier to match against.

  15. Re:about time on Gulf Oil Leak Plugged? · · Score: 4, Funny

    Because they hate the environment. They had everything sitting around and it was trivially easy to to do but knocking out the environment was more fun.

  16. Re:Prior art? on Stem Cell Patent Halts Hospital's Collection · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually when filing for the patent StemCells should have had to prove originality of their idea. If their patent is found invalidated hopefully they will be forced to compensate for legal fees, but since many of these companies are small shell companies made to collect profit and compartmentalize risk they will have just enough assets for whatever their purpose is and no more so wont be able to pay any thing to the courts if they loose the case.

  17. Re:This note is legal tender on Apple Reverses iPad "No Cash Purchase" Policy · · Score: 1

    At that point it was not debt. Only if they had given her and ipad on payment plan then they refused to take U.S. dollars would it have been debt and had caused problems.

  18. Re:Awesome & aweinspiring on Synthetic Genome Drives Bacterial Cell · · Score: 1

    Maybe he is the type who thinks horror movies are too fake looking and wants to see it in real life. I mean once Pandora's box is open you can't close it, or at least the cat is out of the bag so you can't fix the problem so why worry about it? Enjoy the ride because you are getting a front row seat to something of spectacular, destruction you know what ever your thing is, why waste such a good gift.

  19. Re:So... on Australia Air Travelers' Laptops To Be Searched For Porn · · Score: 1

    Don't forget the instrumental part the gun played in the revolutionary war. Without guns Americans would have been able to only throw tea into the ocean. Guns aren't just meant to protect yourself from criminals who try to break into your home.

  20. Re:Unenforcable on Would You Die To Respect a Software License? · · Score: 1, Insightful

    After reading it, the license is either BSD or this D&R thing. You only have to be dead if you don't accept the D&R license.

  21. Unenforcable on Would You Die To Respect a Software License? · · Score: 0

    That would be unenforceable due to it being a condition that no one would accept. I forget the legal term someone help me.

  22. Re:The real problem on US Supreme Court Upholds Indefinite Confinement · · Score: 1

    That sounds good, at least until you are on death row and you know you are innocent but no one else believes you. The reason life imprisonment is cheaper is that less proof is needed to achieve it, with a death sentence you have to be sure because there is no time to pull the body out of storage and get a retrial on new evidence.

  23. Re:Politics on Climate Change and the Integrity of Science · · Score: 1

    No one forces you to vote for a candidate. If you are illinformed because you can't be bothered to look anywhere besides big media, there are plenty of sources, or at least check their reasoning how is that their fault. Campaign contributions and lobbying, simple if the politician votes against you vote against him. When you don't punish him by voting for him again you are rewarding him by allowing him to get that money. Tell him my vote or that money. That is the electoral process. The only broken part of it is that it assumes good civic duty.

  24. Re:Politics on Climate Change and the Integrity of Science · · Score: 1

    apparently it is what we wanted.

  25. Re:Politics on Climate Change and the Integrity of Science · · Score: 1

    But there is plenty of media out there besides 'big media' sometimes you have to look for accurate information. If people keep depending on the same news organizations for their 'news', cnn I'm looking at you and your lets go to twitter and ask people who just updated their status to omg Timberlakes new hair is so hot for insight into world events and fox you know why too, they will have no reason to change their habits. Especially if you don't ignore them when they report inaccurately they will not face any penalty and face possible gain so will serve other interests. But yeah its only the entire world that hates us because of our bad policies so there really is no concern or need to do anything about it right?